Knocking BMW S63 Engine Teardown What Went Wrong ??? X6m X5m M5 M6
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- Knoicking BMW S63 Engine Teardown What Went Wrong ???
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Really glad you left everything in the video. Breaking off bolts is extremely painful, and it really helpful as a hobbyist like me to see how you more experienced guys handle it!
Had similar problems with my X5. Seized up in my driveway. Went to pick a part and grabbed a motor for about $400. Slapped it in and 60k miles later it's running strong. I've towed things cross country with it and it seems to run BETTER after working it like that.
BTW those front differentials are junk. They just blow up unannounced. No parts available for them and the used diffs themselves are hard to find. I just disconnected the axles and front drive shaft and been running it as a 2wd for over a year.
Def a love/hate relationship with these BMW V8s
12 mins in, this is probably your best video yet! I’ve been working on cars for 15 years hear and there, went to school for it even and learned a lot in this video 👌🏾
Great video. Been thinking about buying a F10 M5. Kind of funny how rod bearings are issues throughout the entire bmw family. Had to replace the rod bearings in my Mini that only had 67k miles.
Great video! I have owned several ///M cars and always "lived in fear" of rod bearings.
Great video and explanations for tear down process of the engine.
Dam. Feel sorry for the owner. Glad I decided to go for an e53 with m62. Vanos rebuild and timing guides are a cake walk compared to that.
I went with a n62 and it's a pretty good unit
M62 has worst cooling system ever
@@nenadradmanovic9383 naw, no worse than anything made in the 2000s. By bmw.
@@pugs1377 I had 02 m5 and and now have 08 m6 and no problems. M62 operates above 108c and causes plastic radiator hoses and radiator to blow. Lets not even talk about two coolant pipes under the intake that always leak.
Hats off to the work you do to these engines. Great video. I bought my X6M with 115k on it and through 5000 mile oil intervals and using the best detergent fuels, I now have 162,000 on it.
Played this game with my S63TU in my M5 at 81k miles. Shipped the whole car to Pure Performance in Houston. A touch under 14k and she was rebuilt and is still happy 14k miles later.
What year? They made some major changes to the engine. Newer ones seem pretty solid
Im actually getting ready to send my 2015 M6 GC Comp Off to Pure Performance in Houston as well. Unfortunately I'm on my second engine 1st place ripped me off engine seized 60 days after install SMH im currently taking them to court. Pure Performance Seems to be 1 of the best in the game for the S63TU engine so I have heard & seen So I'm beyond excited. Did you do a completely stock spec rebuild? how long did your rebuild take? Im located in NJ & plan on shipping the vehicle out this week. Ive spoken to TJ and he recommended I go with forged connecting rods & the upgraded bearing As I plan on Adding a bit more HP out of her.
@@chriskarsseboom2200 still shit
@@jackchueh1231 have you owned one?
@@chriskarsseboom2200 lease
240k miles on my 2010 X5M still running strong original motor and trans still, anything i should watch out for at this many miles? everything is seemingly fine haha for now
The 2010 and 2011 S63B044 are actually the most robust 4.4L BMW ever made. They just need 5000 mile oil interval and upgrade to Index 12 Piezoelectric injectors and they could reach 300k
You need to watch out injectors , oil leak oil consumption these two issues almost happen to all the German cars
Enjoyed it looking forward to seeing the outcome
Take the oil coolers to a diesel particulate filter cleaner place, they have ultrasonics there normally too.
I love my 6 cyl e39 even more now
I agree
Just bought one with spun bearing. Looking forward to this project.
The S63 was designed for a 50k mile corporate lease. When I look at this engine it makes be want an electric car. Change your oil every 5k. What a nightmare.
I drove in my buddy's Tesla yesterday and was blown away. No need to worry about engine problems or maintenance. Thing is deadly fast! But the amount of features it had in it, not to mention the self driving, was mind blowing. I think the only drawback is if you get in a wreck...there are no parts or very long wait, and you can only take it to Apple, ahem, I mean Tesla. But I was sold and drive a BMW and Mercedes. All you gotta do is brakes on this thing. No monster engine in it like this.
@@TheFrenchPug teslas feel like a glorified golf cart. I love my 4.4L TT
@@DG-xj7pm Well, our roads are smooth so didn't get to experience the stiff, bumpy ride. I'll take your car too :)
@@TheFrenchPug I'll take turbos spooling up over a battery any day : )
@@DG-xj7pm hybrids will be the future before electric.
it looks like they've never changed the oil . If you want a reliable turbo bmw change the oil every 6000 miles. these turbo engines work at very high temp, thus makes oil goes bad very soon. Never turn off the car immediately after agressive driving because the turbos goes bad in that way. You have to let them cool down for about 2 minutes before turn off the engine.the Same goes for a cold start. When the engine is cold you have to wait at least 30 seconds before the trip, and never go over 2500 rpm until it gets warm.
At 110,000 miles owners of comparable AMG cars are fitting blower upgrades. LOL
Love the channel. I love all car repair!!
Rod bearings in my 2012 X5M spun last year with only 49,500 miles. Meticulously maintained it & drove like a gentleman most of the time. Didn't matter. The bearing clearance from the factory is too tight. The BMW dealership wanted $36,000 to put a new engine in. Had it rebuilt with a new crank, King bearings, & ARP bolts, by the guys at Miami Engines for a fraction of that cost. Bearing in cylinder 2 looked like a pancake. Runs great now...fingers crossed.
Anyone that argues that BMW’s of the past 15 years is a great car is full of shit. The cars of the easy 2000’s and before we’re decent cars. I know, I currently have two such BMW’s and have owned them the past 20 years. Their straight 6 engines have been great apart from some poorly designed components. But you’re having to spend thousand to have you motor repaired - makes my point. I get it that a Toyota is not a BMW, but at 50k miles a Toyota is just finishing up being broken in. It takes a real investment to get a BMW to 200k miles. It takes oil changes to get a Toyota to the same mileage.
@@paperandmedals8316 some bmws are great cars. Some cars have a lot of reliability issues due to bmws leading innovation and desire to grow and improve. I have 2 bmws and they have been a pleasure it own. Also owned one before
@@johnnychimpo7539 some of their reliability issues has zero to do with innovation and has to do with building obsolescence into their vehicles. BMW Group makes most their money in service and parts sales, not car sales. I like BMW, but not enough to bull shit myself that they’re shittiness is due to them trying to be so awesome.
@@paperandmedals8316 bmw, since the e36 has been innovating everything. Variable valve timing, direct injection…plenty of things. They engineer the components to work together and sometimes then berg to revise. Stuff is fixed under warranty, then they get it right on the next model. Go by a b58 platform and tell me it’s not a reliable car. Honda and Toyota are reliable because they don’t innovate with their power train. They figured out what worked and kept refining that same thing. BMW kept making the best thing they could, over and over. Now that the world is moving towards electric cars, BMW stopped innovating the internal combustion engine and now it’s perfectly reliable. Got it kiddo?
@@johnnychimpo7539 fixed under warranty? I’ve owned my E39 since brand new out of college. Any issues that have been identified as poor design issues are discovered way past warranty periods and never fixed. Spun rod bearings on the E60 M5. Cooling systems blowing up. DISA valve failures killing engines.
As far as you calling me kiddo. I’m a US Marine combat vet. I know with every ounce of my soul if you met me in real life your apologize profusely the moment I told you know who I am. So wrap yourself in the secure blanket of internet obscurity. I know you need it.
Well Nathan my engine as h may or may not remember is a n52. I put it up on jack stands to work through the issues bc quite frankly I got to much money and not to mention time in this car so I parked it before I fouled up something that couldn’t be fixed. Anyways when I did my oil pan gasket I noticed pieces of black stuff honestly looked like pieces of a gasket could that have been metal? I cleaned the pan with gas and they seemed to melt. I wish I had followed my first mind and done those bearings then. It just seems a bit complicated to me as to how to get the proper clearance. Also I was unaware this was yet another maintenance item til after I replaced the gasket. Thanks n keep up the great work
I'm familiar with that 'diesel smell'. It's the smell of burnt oil.
Had a Ford shed the centre main bearing cap for some reason while I was driving @ high speed. Heard clank but the everything seemed OK for a while.
About 5 mins. Later I i heard a clatter and simultaneously smelt diesel. Limped home and upon disassembly found the bearing cap lying in the bottom and a rod with burnt oil crusted on it.
The stench was quite something.
If you maintain them they can last. I don’t care what anyone says. And learn proper driving habits. I bought mine with 80k miles. It’s turning 104k and runs like a clock. Turbos original and all. No wastegate issues or anything like that. I have the n63 though. 2013 m performance package with 458hp and 500lb/ft torque. Minor issues if you do preventative maintenance but it’s manageable at that point. I have the coolant plate leaking in my engine block ever so slightly but that’s it. I had the upper oil pan gasket leak at 88k other than that it’s a prestine car. It just make me upset to see these beautiful cars get beat to hell and left to die a tortured death like this X6M. This may be one of the very very few ones Nathan can’t bring back to life. Either way I still can’t wait to see what happens
I thought I was going and have a nice 7 series in the end, but no, I bought a 2012 BMW 750Xi maybe an Alpine. It was a Copart purchase with mechanical issues, It starts and runs but has a bad knock. Thus far, timing chain test came back ok, but engine has one cylinder with low compression and I roughly measured piston travel through spark plug hole. I measure 6 out of the 8, couldn’t get #4 or #8. The cylinder with low compression also came up short on piston travel by about .3 inches. Assuming rod bearing .150” complete loss of the rod bearing would account for the lost travel. Will be pulling the engine, but am scared of what I will find?
Put 150k hard miles on my n63 tuned bigger turbos and meth injection. Drive it like I stole it. The n63/s63 isn’t all bad.
Thanks Nathan for the Lesson. Question all the Hoses would it Help their Life to add a protective to them? I use to Work at Aeroquip and we made a fire hose shelve to help the Hose life. What do you think?
You have the coolest shop.
What's the engine in the 21 M8 convertible with 750 horsepower? That had to be unlocked slowly I think it was like 500 horsepower and then it was raised up to 750hp after a break in time
Hhhheeeyyyy im not the only one that's snapped a pan bolt!! Feeling your pain Nathan!
A sign of things to come ...
So are you saying frequent oil changes wouldn’t have prevented this catastrophe?
No it makes no difference
Damn Nathan. How long did it take you to get that engine out? Thing is a beast! I'm not worthy.
Fracture cast is the word you’re looking for for the connecting rods and rod caps
great channel my god I have a headache... this is why I won't buy or work on BMW or Mercedes products overly complicated for no reason and they always seem to blow up engines and the cost is just to much
Hi Nathan abit off subject but Iv got a e70 x5 3.0 sd , I hit a curb the other day and destroyed the wheels on right hand side so I replaced all the wheels with different ones now a lot of the time but not always when I floor it the dsc kicks in , any ideas? I’ve replaced all wheel bearings thinking it might have something todo with the pick up for abs in bearings but made no difference looked at wheel speed sensors with scan tool but we’re all within 1kph of each other and steering angle seems to be reading ok ! I’m no Mechanic and can not figure it out and not getting any codes ! Any help would be much appreciated! Top videos btw 👍🏻
Just to ad if I press the dsc button I have no issue , thanks again
I feel like I'm rolling the dice every time I start my F13 M6 lol, some seem to be very reliable with fbo stage 2 and 100k mi and some blow up stock with 40k mi. Mine's stock and 43k mi
Owning an M car out of warranty/service plan is rolling the dice
@@rankzwazhere I have the only warranty company that would touch my 13. Only covers half the labor rate 😂 but so far I haven't needed to use it
It’s so sad, I have an 07… anyone with a newer but old M car can’t even really enjoy it to it’s full potential without dropping the cars actual worth into it.
Why spend money on blackstone oil reports… just change the oil regularly and schedule a bearing change in your ownership… most importantly do not rev the engine or drive hard until the OIL is fully up to temperature… this is the same for Mercedes, Audi, Porsche, Ferrari..many high output / high rpm engine… they are not truck engines.
What bearings should i put in my S63tu? I have 150k on it.
Anyone know any reputable shops to do bearing swap on s63?
Bearing material in oil coolers and lines, dude, you'd have to make sweet love to every part of this engine to get it running again. Car's not cool enough to justify that much work.
That’s what SHE SAID 😉😎👉💥👊
I wanted to ask how many miles should a cooling system refresh be done on a M54
100k at the most
How much do you think a full rebuild would cost the owner. Sure would be educational and entertaining to watch.
Them grindings are pumped through all the ports through the whole engine ??
Yep
Would that be an upper pan or a lower pan if the engine is upside down 🤣 I don't know how you can even attempt that job. Kind of like the transmission what would BMW charge for a factory rebuild or even a new one
ngl my m54 isnt fast by any means but for a car with 180k miles exactly its really fun!!!!
also i saw a Champagne quartz metallic m5 pop up on facebook 88k miles seized engine would it be worth the and get a remand engine for it or just stay away from it he has it up for 17,500 and im max at 13,000 only because its an individual color and is fully loaded with every option.
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Anyone got the conrod bearing bolts torque settings and procedure for this engine cheers 🤙
Wow. These things make the M62 in my E53 look WAY better by comparison.
What source if any do you use? Alldata ?
I can access all of that stuff online , alldata a lot of times won’t tell you what you need to know on stuff like this
Common Nathan on these that where not maintained 8k put another motor in the crank is shot? Can you see can it be polished
The crank would have to be replaced , even if you turned it the heat damage makes it not useable
Yikes. I'll stick my e38. M62TU ain't all that bad.
Sorry for random question, how long does the battery last on the Makita? Will it last a full tear down?
Yes
Aluminum bolts to save fuel lol so they don't oxidize I guess steal and aluminum does not mix good
No they don’t!
To me the problem it's the oil pump chain, literally no tension and skipping teeth. Which will introduce oil starvation and destroy all the bearings simultaneously.
If it's been sitting upside down for a while, it might not turn because oil could have hydro-locked a cylinder.
You're really fond of that ratchet you should try an impact gun I ake that back
The connecting rod process that creates two matching halves is called “Sintered”
Fracture-fit?
Sintered is different, that’s when metal powder is put in a mold and heated so it forms a solid part.
The other commenter is correct, this is a “fractured” rod.
Don’t know who in hell would pay $35k
For all this work
So it’s throwaway car after 80k miles
The solution from my Perspective. If you don't have the goose that lays golden eggs. Don't buy a BMW. 😁
We tried to contact you about your extended warranty, you knew the risk....
So what was the reason it is locked up??
We don’t know for sure yet , if he gets another engine we will tear this one down all the way but not yet
Damn bro engines don't look like they used to there's so many hoses and electronic things on them you have to wonder did they really just come to the end of what they could do to these engines and that's why we're going to Electric
One piece of metal in one of those hundred oil galleries and its game over.
This is why they replace them at the dealer.
I would not listen to that Nathan
Lifetime oil. Or 20k mileage oil changes.
Pot O'gold at the end of those rod rainbows.
Happy St Patty's day!
You can buy a rebuild s63 with 2 year 100k mile warranty for 8k. Not worth paying to have you or anyone trying to salvage that clapped out motor.
That thing is clappedddd, just wrong signs every corner you turn.
So what version of s63 is this?
Looks like the first iteration s63b044
I don't understand why you can not fix this engine. It takes about 4 to 8 hours to fix this engine. I've seen it done any number of times in DouYin(Chinese verson of Tiktok). The engine is still in good shape. You change the bearing and machine the crankshaft(need a machine shop) then it is perfect again. You are just not good enough for this job. You are just a parts swapper. Swapping parts is all you can do.
we enthusiasts appreciate your motivation! we need people like you to keep these dream cars alive and well
Longevity and this engine don't belong in the same sentence. I've owned an M50, M54 and N55. They all had their own quirks, but this engine is big pile of s*%t lol.
So I would assume buying a used 2013 X6M 88k miles With a Hamann exhaust and tune would be a big No NO?
Don’t do it. I had the regular x6 with the n54. Biggest pos. Most things were expensive to repair
The sad reality of modern BMW engines. Audi, VW and Mercedes are not much better. Remember when BMW engines were really good? M44, M50/52 and the M60 3.0 4.0 V8. No big end failure, timing chain or Vanos bullshit. Everything since then has been a problem. M for Motoren, N for nightmare, S for sh...........
B for belief!
Tine for to put. Reliable engine in it. LS family way less more power for way less money
this looks like n63
I cant understand one thing: You did so many hours to remove the engine and you wont simply machine the crankshaft to 1st oversize, swap few rods, change all the piston rings, replace the main bearings? Why man? I did many main+rod failures and they always run like a charm. But with BMW, I wouldn't think about installing the original bearings, because its clearly trash. 20 more hours and you can make a happy customer and yourself aswell.
The crank was not turnable
@@NathansBMWWorkshop So it also spun the mains? Did you check how many?
@@NathansBMWWorkshop Do you have any seized M engines for sale or rebuild? Or only blocks. Too bad we overseas, but I am still interested in those parts. Most people scrap them and say it cant be done, while its relatively easy to do it if you have good machinists. But its a lot of work yeah
Who buys a used bmw m5? Why? These cars are meant to be purchased new with warranty.
sell it for parts and move on...
Swap the engine with a V8 from Toyota, at least it'll be reliable, haha.
10k for eurotrash.. lol
Well.. my 2015 X5M just started knocking last week! What the actual fuck! 118.000km, stage 2 setup
I tried to warn you guys...
@@NathansBMWWorkshop dude! Can you tell me the odds for what could be knocking in my engine.. but i have NO meral redisue in my oil, filter or anywhere..
When i heard the knock, i obviously didnt give a fuck and drove about 1.5h to my work and back. The knocking has the same level.. its not beating any harder then when it started. Its the same sound when engine is stone cold (thick oil) and i even tried to disconnect one and one coil. Same sound. Im not so sure i have rodknocking. Sounds like its comming from the head. Same sound as when yiu have a broken lifter on a older e30 engine..