In Defense of the DCEU - The Dawn of Snyder
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Best line of the whole DCEU "this is Katana, she's got my back."
Best line "Kal El Noooo"
Best line has to be "What are we some kinda Suicide Squad".
Rick Flag with Katana- 😁
Rick Flag without Katana- 💀
M A R T H A
They spend the first third of the movie on elaborate character introductions and they tack this on in the helicopter like they forgot
Calling Suicide Squad a stumble is like calling Chernobyl a minor accident
A lil' woopsie
Really not that bad
I enjoyed it
#ReleaseTheAyerCut
I felt the same way, but after some digging, evidence has shown that the final version Suicide Squad was tampered with from the intended version. I hope one day the Aryer cut will get the light of day after the fact.
The insane action and beautiful vibrant colors of Aquaman make it clear to me that James Wan needs to direct a Green Lantern movie.
I totally agree
I love the scene in Man of Steel when Clark is younger and he gets overstimulated by his super hearing. It's so sweet the way it shows how much he loves his mom and that depiction of how a kid would react to something like that is great
That's something I'll always love zack for and showing that it hurts Clark to use heat vision
The short lighthouse fight immediately sold me on Aquaman, James Wan is the best at making superpowers feel kinetic but grounded.
Yeah that fight was great!
@@NandovMovies definitely agree about Clark and Martha's scenes
Exactly like it is in the comics
Clark has always been the most vulnerable with his mom out of everyone who knew his true Kryptonian origins
That Zod line “Where did you train? On a farm?!” Always gives me chills.
Karen Fukuhara's Katana was one of my favourite things in the entire DCEU and it's tragic that she never got to come back.
I have personally maintained, ever since I saw it in theaters, that the opening scene of Batman V superman is an solid intro to the character of Bruce Wayne and thoroughly demonstrates why he would completely abhor Superman in that moment.
I also maintain that Batman killing people was appropriate for the film. This was a Bruce Wayne close to completely losing it, one step away from old Bruce Wayne from The Dark Knight Returns. He was completely downtrodden and had decided to stop playing by the rules. It’s established that him branding people was not how he’d previously operated and was bad. And at the end, him not branding Lex symbolised that he was back, that his no killing rule was back, and that he was a paragon once more.
Still don’t much like the film, but Batfleck was great.
Julie Andrews actually turned down a cameo in Poppins because she (rightfully) thought it would steal the younger actors' thunder. You can tell that balloon saleswoman role at the very end was written with her in mind....
It's heartbreaking because in hindsight if they just took their time and was more patient, the stuff they were making had legs and could go on for so much more
Ben Affleck is actually my favorite live action portrayal of batman, he just unfortunately got stuck with a messy script. But he has the look of Bruce Wayne and the voice modulator when he wears the costume is way more intimidating than what they tried to do with Bale. I wish he got a solo movie.
Yeah people talk a lot about his fight scenes in that. But to me one of the most classically "Batman" scenes on film was when he was at the underground boxing match as Bruce and he whispered something into the losing fighters ear and then he started winning. Afflecks beefy grinning Bruce (with danger right under the surface) was perfect.
Fun Fact: For Suicide Squad, the majority of the cast and crew got the tattoo "SKWAD" in honor of this film. The tattoos were even applied by some of the cast members, Margot Robbie and Will Smith.
Who did D a m a g e d?
That is depressing lol
I bet they all regret that tatoo lol
I find it hilarious that we had two separate teases of Superman vs Black Adam in the same year and nothing happened
Aquaman was the last movie I saw in theaters before the pandemic. I remember my friend and I have really low expectations but knowing we were probably going to have fun. The movie cut to Atlantis and that theme in the score dropped our jaws dropped and people in the theater were gasping and whispering about it. It was fun, goofy, gorgeous, action packed, and sincere. There's just something so sincere about Aquaman in every scene. It wasn't trying to be the deepest or the greatest, I didn't need to be. It just felt like the movie was itself and that's all it kind of needed to be.
"And let's get started with..." Green Lantern. "... Man of Steel."
That was what WB thought, too... eventually.
Deadpool already killed that timeline
@@Nazoto?
@@holycowthatsoutofthisworld3831 have you watched Deadpool 2? You'd understand why I said what I said
I just want to say that the Enchantress transformation scene in the conference room in Suicide Squad is one of the most badass moments in the DCEU (along with the Karathen scene in Aquaman). Visually it's just really cool to look at, and I think really sets the tone for the character. It's just too bad that she's pretty goofy in subsequent scenes in the movie.
Yeah that demonic hand coming up and twisting as she transforms still gives me goosebumps
@@mtanve2319 yeah! It's so cool!
Enchanteresse & incubus should have been reserved for a justice league dark or shadow pact movie
That was the big omission from Nando’s praise of the movie. That was an amazing visual (which unfortunately was undermined the rest of the movie by bad performance, writing, and visuals for what started out looking like we could have a truly memorable villain).
*Henry Cavill* when he talked about Superman always spoke like he’d rather be playing another version than the character he was playing… do you can’t get mad at Gunn - when Snyder and WB wasted him when they had him 🤷🏾♂️
Preach the truth
This is objectively false. Henry and Zack loved the character, gatekeepers are the only ones at fault. At least do your proper research...
@@davidcatalan9513 lol "gatekeepers". Ya'll can't even identify the real people in control of the situation up top.
@@davidcatalan9513 Zach hated the character and thought he knew how to write him better. He was wrong.
@@PrimucronLol no he didn’t? Stop trolling bruh.
Aquaman was an amazingly fun movie. It still stands out as one of the best in their entire slate to me with how imaginative and off the wall it is. Somehow a mix of Indiana Jones, Star Wars, Lovecraft and Super Heroes that just works.
I felt that way walking out of the theater, but years later I find both it and WW to be pretty mid.
I just love how unapologetic it is about the fact it’s a comic book movie. It’s camp and ridiculous, but it knows it, and that’s the fun part.
24:32 Funny you mention this because 1) I believe Jason Momoa said he pitched Lobo to Zach Snyder for his role before auditioning for Aquaman, and 2) It's all but officially confirmed that he's going to play Lobo in Gunn's DCU
I hope so on that 2nd point, he's perfect!
I still think a classic Luthor would've worked if he took Bruce's place in the intro to BvS. WOuld give him a legit reason to hate aliens.
Aquaman felt like a video game and thats def not a bad thing
I said it before a couple of years ago, but I stand by it. If Mark Strong had been cast as Lex Luthor and Jessie Eisenberg had been cast as Doctor Sivana, but they'd kept the energies of the characters they'd actually played, it would have been an improvement.
On Man of Steel, how do you not mention: "You Think You Can Threaten My Mother?"
Flight actually does come back when Superman stops Steppenwolf’s axe, and his main theme is persistent throughout the trilogy. Just wished they would’ve used the theme in his cameo appearances like Black Adam and Shazam
You can simultaneously play the big fight scene from MoS of superman vs zod with the intro of that same fight in bvs where you see it from Bruce's and the others pov and they line up PERFECTLY.
The Flash movie's failures to get off the ground killed the DCEU once and it killed it again when it finally came out. The problem was always that there was no shared vision, and you cant base a shared universe franchise in a doomed timeline you already intend to fix with Flashpoint
Imagine if they had made a Batman adaptation of "Death in the Family" before BvS.
Im not a snyder fan but.. To be fair, he was hired at the start to have his trilogy on Superman in Dark knight style.
They already worked alot with him so they knew his style
The one thing Josstice League did better was Cyborgs introduction and that is because of this exchange with his father:
“You’re afraid they’ll see the monster”
“You’re not a monster.”
“It’s weird you thought I meant me.”
James Wann's Aquaman blew me away because that town action set piece was BRIGHT in an interesting way (not just 'MCU bright grey)! The colours POPPED and the action was Kingsman-esque interesting and engaging like you said. I didn't even think about the plot because I was so blown away by the visuals. I want James Wann to direct an Uncharted film
I'll always defend Man of Steel. I loved it since I first saw it in theaters and thought it was a bold and fascinating take on Superman with perfect casting.
No one likes the Man and Steel that way.
"did it deserve the oscar"
"......no"
i love nando
I feel like the phrase “say what you will about x” is doing a lot of heavy lifting in this video.
Everytime I see a new Nando video I’m like: “we’re so back!”
My brain still screams when I think about Batfleck.
I still want to see the original Ayer cut of Suicide Squad
Honestly, the DCEU actually had a lot of potential and some pretty exciting ideas, especially when they started with Man of Steel, a reasonably solid start to this universe that told a different type of Superman movie that had a more grounded and grittier take on Superman which admittedly isn't my favourite take on the character. However, it's still a genuinely well-made movie with a great cast, especially for Superman and Zod and a fantastic score by Hans Zimmer that took a risk with a character and chose to do something unique and unconventional. However, the WB studio's greed, intervention and desperation to catch up with Marvel at the time severally killed this universe before it had a chance. Witnessing a studio shoot themselves in the foot countless times is surreal. I genuinely cannot wait to see what James Gunn has planned for the rebooted DCU going forward and how he'll hopefully fix what WB broke multiple times, especially with what he has planned for Superman and countless other DC characters in the future, which gives me a lot of hope for the franchise again.
Still salty that Amy Adams wasn’t cast as Lana Lang and that Jimmy Olsen got killed off in BvS 😓
For me, the single biggest thing I liked about Josstice League is that we finally got a Superman that felt like the character I know. Not the super-serious Man of Steel angsting over whether he has a place in this world, nor the BvS angsting over whether he has a place in this world, but the friendly, slightly dorky, Kansas farm-boy who stops and chats to kids - who makes time to rescue cats from trees - the guy who's willing to sit for hours on a ledge with someone who's thinking about committing suicide and just let them work through whether to jump or not. For all its flaws, the movie gives us the character that invented the superhero genre, rather than a dark, gritty, angsty "hero".
Snyder should have been given another character to put on the big screen like Deathstroke or another dark gritty hero instead of Batman to better suit his style of film making. Superman was a bad choice to start your gritty/dark superhero story; especially with Snyder at the helm.
I'm glad that someone can have something nice to say about so-called Josstice League, it's old and tired that the theatrical Justice League is constantly used as a punching bag either because they don't like Joss Whedon or simply because it's not Zack Snyder directing.
Tell me you haven't read the comics without telling me.
Superman has on occasion gone through depressive phases in the comics where he questions his place in the world.
😊
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The josstice league is leagues above the snyder cut
The men are brave line still hits me to this day
It wouldn't have worked very well but i would've liked if diane said "No man can cross. But perhaps men can cross" to go for a more unified approach
But i much prefer silence over what could've been
Amy Adams carried MoS and BvS acting on her back. It's a shame they really didn't figure out a story for her- but I liked her Lois!
It wasn't exactly aquaman to say the least, but my first impression of Momoa was way back from Stargate Atlantis, so it felt like a return to form for me xD
Ben affleck should come back in the Gunn verse as Thomas Wayne, I think he’d play a perfect one if given the chance
For all of 5 minutes
I highly doubt we'll get a Thomas Wayne in the DCU except maybe paintings
Tbh, i'm kinda glad Flight wasn't used after MOS. If it was, it could've been overused like the WW theme.
It was used in the Snyder cut
9:06 I'm forever sad the Synderverse never took off as it could have. As a Man of Steel evangelist, the opening scene of BvS was surreal in establishing their dynamic. When you see the lasers 360 cut the building from the inside 'from a punch' it's those 'little things' that made it so epic.
Snyderfans still blame everything on Woke. Meanwhile DCEU was anything BUT woke
3:04 always happy to hear some Greenland praise
As much as Snyder lacks the ability to shoot/write subtext or subtlety, and because of that essentially misses the entire point of The Watchmen graphic novel...
...I LOVE Snyder's Watchmen film (and think the series brings it back around and is something great) and think it's probably the best version we could get on film while recognizing it's issues and failings. I'm sure another filmmaker and/or writer could better present the actual idea of the comic. The series is closer in that respect but farther in others. I still love both.
That scene just before the No Man's Land fight, is one of the few scenes in any films that always make me cry. There was something about it that just got to me the first time and it worked so well.
🤓someone unironically got emotional at this schlock
The DCEU will surely see a revival in a few years, Prequels style.
what are you on about, that animated chicken movie is far more politically savvy then any Snyder movies
Animated Chicken movie? You mean Chicken Run?
We're back to 2012, the DCU has yet to start
I took my dad to see Man of Steel at the theater. If I'm not mistaken, that was Father's Day weekend.
We both walked out of the theater feeling like what we saw was not Superman.
It was dark, brooding, more focused on action than character... This was a Clark Kent that I could not believe grew up on a farm in Kansas.
The color palette was cold, there wasn't much life in the characters... It was awful.
I had the complete opposite reaction. Great modernization of the character. Kal-El choosing Humans over his own people was great. This version was more inspiring than any other on-screen portrayal. This is the only film where Superman felt like the underdog.
@@tristandevlin6667”Kal-El choosing humans over his own people was great.”
That right there is where the problem lies. Krypton is not his people.
Superman’s people…IS humanity. He was raised here by human parents, went to school with human people, got jobs with human people, speaks a human language, etc.
All he’s ever known is Humanity. Krypton is not his world because he was born there.
@@wesstewart2677THANK YOU!!! that guy doesnt get it.
@@wesstewart2677They are his people tho. Yes he loves humanity, but at the end of the day he is kryptonian.
Throughout the entire movie he felt different from everyone else. And he wanted to know who he was and where he was from. That’s what makes Superman in this movie even better.
He didn’t give up on finding out where he’s from. Despite the frustration and confusion within him HE KEPT GOING. He found out where he was from. And what makes it even better is that even when he found out where he’s from,m and who his father is, HE STILL CHOOSES EARTH AND DEFENDS EARTH. That is my Superman. A Superman who goes through different challenges and overcomes them and shows us how to be the best version of ourselves DESPITE the hardships we face.
@@wesstewart2677They are his people. No amount of time raised on earth is going to erase the fact that he IS Kryptonian. The reason you didn't like Man of Steel is because you had a misunderstanding of the character and came in with the wrong expectations.
Loved the DCEU, it was a fun ride
As a DC fan who tried his best to find things to like in each of these, I love this series a great deal.
Even the burn of "Suicide Squad... this will be quick."
I have never needed a video more in my life. This is exactly what i've been needing without knowing i needed it
James Wan might be the secret ingredient to James Gunns new universe
Hah, wow, you were a lot more charitable towards Kevin Costners Pa Kent than I would've. I violently disagree with a lot of things said and done with- and around Snyders Superman, but having Pa misinterpret a conversation with a woman who's child Clark saved, and then go "maybe drowning a schoolbus of children had been preferable" is maybe the worst thing for me.
Pretty great video besides. I kinda wanna do a DCEU Marathon before Superman next year.
Great video & excited for this new series
14:34 I honestly think that’s why I like Viola’s performance so much. She perfectly captures the essence of the JLU version while not being a straight up imitation
Excellent breakdown of the whole thing!
The fact that 10 years of this universe and we never got a green lantern.... We got a peacemaker show and blue beetle movie (coming from a huge jamie fan) before a green lantern (some of the most important characters in the dc universe because they are space cops) ever showed up smh. The DCEU really was a complete mess. Theres so many more characters missing but yall know that already
It's because the Ryan Reynolds GL movie really was That Bad and poisoned the well.
Hardly any Martian Manhunter either. He just talks to people in short scenes, and that's it.
@@StarryEyed0590 almost every justice league member has gotten a bad live-action adaptation yet they still get more love then green lantern
@@jlev1028 the fact that he was there the whole time and decided not to help once is crazy 😭
@@bignate5368Superman and Batman have had many, many commercially successful movies, which demonstrate to the studio that they are worth taking another chance on, even if they've had a few bad takes. Wonder Woman had never had a feature film before. Aquaman had never had a feature film before. I can't think of any other JL members who got their on film.
On Nando, you are so uncynical. I love it.
2:28 "It's everything I like about the Man of Steel suit with bolder colors"
The Black Adam suit is literally the Man of Steel suit with bolder colors.
Margot Robbie and Viola Davis doing picture-perfect-performances in their roles in The Suicide Squad does not retroactively make the all-over-the-place-accent and literal phoning-it-in performances in Suicide Squad any better. I have never understood the take that those two were the best part of that garbage fire, they were burning right along side Katana.
Can’t wait for part 2!
Great video!
I made a video on the first and last lines of every DC film and you can see the change in tones over the course of the DCEU from serious to dark to light.
LETS GOOO NEW NANDO SERIES
Jeremy Irons in Die Hard 3 *chef's kiss*😙
I love these videos.
Compelling defense. And honestly, I agree with Ben Affleck. This was the first time I went "This man is Batdad."
But I'm biased when it comes to the Bat family. Can't wait for Pattinson to go to the circus and come home with an orphan kid.
The thing is Pattinson still looks pretty young and so him being the ward of an orphan would look like some guy and his younger brother. He should get robin in his 3rd movie
@@mtanve2319 I can wait 😊
pattinson is middle aged af what are you on about@@mtanve2319
BvSDoJ showed juust a taste of Batman actually being a detective. If they had expanded this into a whole movie with Diana being a mystery through it and explaining some of why Lex Luthor did what he did it would have really helped. Stuffing this with the other eight plotlines in one movie didn't work.
It's almost SHOCKING how huge Wonder Woman (2017) was...and it's cultural impact was almost completely diminished by 1984 being terrible, and much of Gal's public image. I fear we won't get another WW film until 2031 :(
Great video
Can't wait to hear your thoughts on peacemaker
Oh I didn’t realize that this was a part 1 and I was confused lol. Also I think something worth mentioning is that Aquaman 1 & 2 might’ve had the best main hero and main villain costume combo ever, at least off the top of my head. Aquaman’s suit looks amazing, and Manta’s suit in Aquaman 2 is beautiful as well.
this is a great trilogy of videos.
In defense of Aquaman’s casting: Representation. Namor and Aquaman are two higher profile characters that could solve a representation problem and be made more grounded and interesting without breaking them by drawing a connection to Polynesian culture and peoples. I believe that was part of the reason Momoa was chosen, even though they failed to really follow up on that in his solos.
Representation is a non-reason.
@@Chameleonred5Luckily, your opinion counts for very little.
Sure you can change his race but Jason Mamoa still feels nothing like the actual character
@@uhwaykin Money, social mechanics, and power plays can make my opinion count for a lot. It is in your best interest not to dismiss opinions different from your own. That's the easiest way for morons like Trump to get power, by appealing to those who don't feel listened to.
Nothing has ever been improved by silence.
@@Arcin00 Exactly. Jason Mamoa has a lot of charm, but his Aquaman isn't comic accurate at all. DCEU Aquaman is Jason Mamoa if he had the same origin and powers as Aquaman.
I got a lot of love for Man of Steel especially that soundtrack, Hans Zimmer is such a phenomenal composer
Flowers given where deserved 👏💐
Patrick Wilson should have been cast as Arthur
Nando we need a Flash family fancast
batfleck was such a waste the man was perfect for the role just wish they could have used him better
Been waiting for a Nando upload. AND DC!!! YES! I should be allowed to put 10k likes on this.
Can’t wait for the breakdown of the “At the speed of force” scene
I honestly thought Aquaman was overrated first watch because I had just seen Black Panther and it felt like a terrible copy of it.
> While I don't think it's the best adaptation ever made, 300 may be the most visually faithful
Sin City: Do I mean nothing to you?
I liked Harlequin under James Gunn’s direction because the costumes she wore in that movie made her feel like the character I know from her.
You left out the best movie of all, the Nando cut of justice league
7:29 “when Namick tosses train a Clark”
This actually convinced me to check out Aquaman. I was never really a big fan of Momoa's take on the character but he's likeable in some places. Kinda wish they tried to make him more accurate but then maybe he'd be too similar to like Superman or something.
The craziest thing about Warner Bros is that they can make better movies than Disney
And yet, they cause the most insane problems when it comes to DC
I still hope we get to see David Ayer’s Suicide Squad cut someday, I feel like there potential there with the right edit to be a pretty entertaining flick
i'm not a big fan of Aquaman, largely because of the plot/casting of Momoa, but it's so visually beautiful and so colorful/flashy in a way that made it feel like a comic book movie instead of an action movie with super heroes. that's another reason i love the Marvels, i like when comic book movies look like comics
Honestly, it should not be controversial that the Josstice Wheague version of Superman is way better than the Snyder Cut version. That's, like, actually Superman.
Honestly, I think Josstice League was the better version. Both versions are bad, but at least the original had editing.
It's short, at least. And Henry Cavill actually felt like Superman.
Is Viola Davis D.C. Galactus?
The Early DCEU, The Definition of The Phrase "You don't know what you have, until it's gone."
Cavill looks like Hugo Weaving in the phone footage