@Brian Robbins Fact in as much as myths are factual. According to the old stories Achilles’s father Peleus joined in a band with Hercules and were nearly successful in breaking down the gates of Troy. They had killed several princes of Troy in the battle but Peleus intervened when Hercules was about to kill the youngest prince who was only a boy (Priam) and spared his life.
I hear you. Was giving you a hard time. Th actual iliad is so different than the movies. Hector and Achilles fight is nothing like what they showed. It's so silly Hector getting chased around the walls and the Gods were so much more involved.
I saw this movie as a teenager and King Priam's line "you are still my enemy tonight, but even enemies can show respect" has stayed with me ever since. Showing respect and civility even in the face of an enemy or opposition is a great virtue.
He never once said "Please give me my son's body" He always says it with such command but not too much to provoke him, rather enough to command respect. That is a mark of a capable king And a true father
@@mskidi A story masterpiece adapted into a movie with its own differences does not justify and is no excuse to mistreat and insult real life human beings like the ones you're talking about. Your criticism towards this movie needs improvement to be more constructive rather than destructive.
Priam is not demanding anything, he went to the tent of Achilles (A Warlord), he knelt before him and kissed his hand. He is begging Achilles to let him take Hector's body back to the city.
Also the obvious flaw in Achilles' thinking. "How many cousins have you killed? How many sons and fathers and brothers, brave Achilles?" You can see it come clear across his face; holy shit, what a line.
Priam reminded him of his mother and father.. and that they would never see Achilles again It's not swords that hit him, but words.. And it hit him deep..
He showed respect most of all. In this movie he’s wise and knowledgeable of how everything works. When Priam was there he realized he wasn’t even the smartest guy in his own tent that night. Got schooled on life by and older man. Happens to us all.
" how many cousins, brothers, fathers, sons, husbands you have killed brave Achilles " this is heart rending, great emotional breakdown not by the Priam (king) but Achilles too was in retrospection, brilliant acting, great dialogue delivery, Troy masterpiece and gem of cinematic history.
The pain he feels must be compounded by his own role in his son's death. First he ignored Hector's advice to send Helen back, reasoning Apollo watched over their city and the greeks could not defeat them. Then he ignored Hector's council to not engage the Greeks after defeating them that first day, which led directly to the events that caused Achilles to challange him to a duel. In some ways, he is as responsible for Hector's death as Achilles...
But if you look at the historical aspect of it, Helen never was in Troy. From the findings of Herodotus and his own previous reasoning, Helen never was in Troy. His trip to ancient Egypt verified his belief. When the Greeks came to Troy looking for Helen, the Trojans told them they were knocking at the wrong door. The Greeks only realized this after ransacking Troy.
@@katerinapatiniotis5598 exactly my friend Katerina. Agamemnon found this problem profitable for his own beliefs. The extension of the Mykinian Empire. It's so beatiful knowing there are still beatiful and smart women like you
Patroclus aswell has a main responsibility as He ignored Achilles warning and telling Him not to go to war. Hector now thought He was fighting Achilles. Paris and Patroclus stubbornness led to these two Men's death. I feel like no one gives Patroclus the heat He deserves. He is just as bad as Paris.
@@lukastojanovic8904 I suggest you to read The Iliad. It tells better the story of Troy and who was Achilles. One of the greatest warriors of all time, according to the mythology.
In a way, Achilles felt for the first time to be in presence of paternal greatness. There was no bitterness to Priam's voice - there was grief, regret, but no anger or reproach. And a warrior like Achilles couldn't help but respect him for that.
This wasn't even about respect, Achilles was straight up afraid of Priam. Not because Priam is a great warrior, which he clearly isn't, he's just a feeble old man. That wouldn't frighten Achilles anyway. He was afraid of Priams courage, forgiveness and kindness. Because that is something Achilles couldn't comprehend up until this point. Priam made Achilles understand that there is more to live than just glory and war.
Exactly, Achilles was a cynic who had no faith in kings. Even Odysseus whom he respected he considered a decent man but not great. Here he sees a great king who deserves his crown & it makes him question his cynical worldview.
1:51 you see Achilles become vulnerable at this point. It was one of my favorite parts in this scene. Priam’s sensibility and compassion kept Achilles wondering : “Fk, old man! What next? Stop it already…” lol I’m almost convinced that Priam’s last line made Achilles question his entire existence lol. An overall powerful scene.
This line always gets me... "I loved my boy from the moment he opened his eyes 'til the moment you closed them." and only someone like Peter O'Toole can deliver it in a way that makes it so memorable. Everything he said was so moving.
The modern man's character is far from what these men represented. These were true men who understood honour, culture, respect, values, traditions, love and hatred. Everything cleverly shot in this scene. Kudos to the directing.
This is arguable the best scene in the entire movie. So many different emotions and feelings thrown into one scene. Its almost like Priam made Achillies feel guilty for killing Hector out his own desire for reveng. Its like Priam made Achillies question why he was fighting for the Greeks
And Achilles actually cried over Hector's body. He knew deeply that did not deserve to be killed and humiliated like that. So yes, Priam basically opened his eyes.
he basically undressed Achilles with his pleas, it's very subtle the whay Brad does it, but so good. He finally shows discomfort for executing a man out of spite, he knew the duel he forced wasn't right because his cousin wan't murdered ina dishonourable way and finally now comes to the realization he wasn't acting out of justice but out of rage.
I don’t know of it’s arguable honestly lol As a whole I hated this movie but it didn’t take away from how great this scene was. Peter O’Toole was a legend.
"Even enemies can show respect". Such a profound dialogue. I have discussed this with many people that even if you become an enemy so be a dignified enemy.
@@jacobpetion3395 Not really foolishness it is more like the inevitability of events and selfishness for the love of his son. Priam understood that if he sent Helen back Paris would follow her and he would surely be killed by Menelaus. Priam also understood that the wound had already been inflicted and that Agamemnon would use this to wage war on Troy regardless of if Helen was returned or not. So Priam chose to let Helen stay in Troy fully aware of the consequences instead of letting Paris follow Helen and be killed he gambled on keeping them both safe in Troy and fighting the War against the Greeks. We know that Troy was sacked and burned in the end as a result of the Trojans being tricked and defeated. But it was essentially all because a man loved his foolish son who enticed a Warlord by giving him a reason to wage war. Priam in trying to protect one son from his own lustful actions would ultimately lose the other at the hand of Achilies along with his own life and that of his Kingdom. Such was the result of Paris's actions a lesson to be learned.
@@onlytruth3188 lol like that would change anything. Before season 5 started, they had RIDICULOUS AMOUNT of source material and they halfassed *EVERYTHING*
The line "he was lucky to not live long enough to see his son fall" has layered meaning. Priam doesnt just mean "fall in battle" he also means "fall into being a ruthless tyrant". This speech moved Achilles in ways he didn't think he could be moved, he weeps in regret at what he has done to the body of an honorable warrior, and his heart is turned fully away from the Greek cause. It is here Achilles decides he is done fighting the Trojans and he even begins to think he might flee the carnage to come with Briseis and attempt the quiet life his mother spoke of. Destiny obviously had other plans for him though, and the fact he was found dead with only the arrow still in his heel gave birth to his legend and continuing legacy. I personally love how the filmmakers handled Achilles "invulnerability" and myth, he was not a demi god, he was simply the greatest warrior of his time and unmatched in martial prowess.
Ehhh…..the dialogue in this particular scene is outstanding yes, mostly because it's taking some passages straight out of the actual Iliad. But the rest of the movie? They dropped the ball in a few parts, especially with that ridiculous "sack of wine" insult when Achilles and Agamemnon are arguing in the latter's tent over Briseis. It's a good film hampered by shoddy writing in certain areas, had they tightened that up it could have gone from good to truly great.
@xaNe don't tell him to shut up , he just illustrated crackshack's point quite eloquently in his ignorance . Don't interfere with the ignorant and hateful, when they are illustrating those traits for the world to see. It makes it easier to identify them.
Beautiful monologue, delivered by a great actor. This scene speaks volumes on the nature of true and loving parent. A parent will always love their child and as a father, you always remember when your child enters the world and stares up at you, for the first time. It changes you...and you realize, that your life is not your own anymore. Raising your child and giving them them your heart is all that matters.
This is basically the only scene in the movie that's accurate to the original text, but that's fine because it's one of the most important scenes in the Iliad - it's basically the conclusion of Achilles character arc.
@Pennywise The Dancing Clown I think that it is implied that he is a demigod in the poem, since he is the son of a goddess, but you are correct in saying that he was not invulnerable, I think that's from a different version of the story
Snapped Squire this movie takes a more humanistic interpretation of the illiad, with the gods not being involved in the story and seeming more like embellishments to what actually happened.
Priam hated Achilles more than the younger man ever hated Hector, yet he treated him with respect and even scolded him like his own father would've. How could he treat the man's son any different then.
@@bademoxy The guy had killed and butchered his son, so there definitely was a reason. There was pain over the dead of his son as well but it was also painful for him to have to beg the man who killed him. Still, he pushed his pride away because he knew that in the end he pittied Achilles for having grown without a father to teach him right from wrong to such a degree.
And Achilles, despite his anger, knew enough to admit that Priam was a better king than Agamemnon, and that Hector was the best he ever fought. And it was heartbreaking seeing him weep for Hector, knowing he took his life too early for a misunderstanding, calling him brother in the end.
@@elnombredelarosa3167 Achille’s Father, Peleus outlived him. He was also raised by Chiron as a child. Hollywood changed the narrative for film sake but Peleus was alive and well when Achilles fought in the Trojan War.
That pretty much proves Achilles’s parents weren’t gods lol. His mother in the film was clearly human and his dad is described as human by Priam here, presumably a Greek soldier.
I became a father 3 years ago and i watch this a lot because it represents the true nature of the strongest love i have ever felt, a father to his son.
I think it's meant to show two things; Priam is such a man of honor, that even after killing his son, clearly the only person he holds dear, he still has tremendous respect for the man. And he does not let his emotions cloud his judgement. He will still reach out and show some sort of endearment in order to get his son back. He shows his humanity to someone that anyone else would see as a monster. Brilliant scene and acting.
Thats taken from Iliad straight up. ἀλλ᾽ αἰδεῖο θεοὺς Ἀχιλεῦ, αὐτόν τ᾽ ἐλέησον μνησάμενος σοῦ πατρός· ἐγὼ δ᾽ ἐλεεινότερός περ, ἔτλην δ᾽ οἷ᾽ οὔ πώ τις ἐπιχθόνιος βροτὸς ἄλλος, ἀνδρὸς παιδοφόνοιο ποτὶ στόμα χεῖρ᾽ ὀρέγεσθαι = But respect the Gods oh brave Achilles. Have pity for me, remember your old man. I am more pitiful than him, for I have to suffer what no other man has suffered yet, having kissed the hand of the man who killed my kid.
@@TopFlightSecurity415 It’s also funny how Achilles gets pissed off about his cousin’s death yet he knows he himself has killed so many cousins, sons, fathers, brothers, husbands, and uncles. Now he knows what it feels like.
What I like the most about the writing in this movie is that it was not love for Briseis or a grief about Patroclus’s death that touches Achilles the most. No, it was a small talk with an old man that he never knew before. It was Priam’s words that made Achilles feel himself like a school boy who knew he did smth bad but yet wasn’t brave enough to admit it straight forward. And it was Priam who pointed to Achilles how pointless any war and any revenge is.
@@nicowatzek325 If it's forgotten then you guys wouldn't be mentioning the truth again in the comment section, would you? Must have forgotten about that, huh?
Priam did not come to Achilles as a King. He came to him as an honest grieving father, begging what is left of his son back even knowing what could happen to him at the hand of Achilles himself. Such a good scene. Far better than most writing in movies/tv shows these days. Thanks for uploading.
He came to him as a father and as a king. He never once pleads or begs with Achilles. He tells him what he wants and commands him but he also shows him respect, humbles him like a father would and shows him his true emotions. That is what gets to Achilles. You can still be a great man, a great king even while still being just a man. A man with emotions, with a family, with love for his son. And that is something that frightens Achilles to his core, because he didn't understand that up to this point. This conversation with Priam made Achilles understand how much pain he has caused in his life, it has made him understand that there is more to life than honour, glory and war.
Why are you bringing up Game Of Thrones and comparing it to this? That has nothing do with this. There was no need to bring it up. It’s not some competition for superiority.
I feel like Achilles felt at that moment like he and his army should Had been fighting along side The Trojans and Prince Hector NOT AGAINST If you look closely he has regret & pain it took him that long to realize that he was fighting for the wrong side .. he should had been helping the Trojans and hector fight the Greeks
Anthony Jaden Romero no why would Achilles fight with the Trojans he was Greek he hated the king he was under but loved his soldiers who were also Greeks I think he just realized that pre am was a good king and hector was really a good man and the way pre am was talking about his son it hit him hard yes he had regrets and knew that the war was pointless but never will he serve under pre am he was a Greek not a trojan
this was quite important in those times, without proper funeral the soul was considered to wonder aimlesly besides the river styx and never go in the underworld, well for at least 100 years
It's interesting when you think that Priam behaved like a teacher, a father figure to Achilles, showing him the flaws on his reasoning and the things he hadn't thought about.
Exactly forty years after his first nomination, the academy gave him an honorary Oscar. I like to think it's because they felt guilty. He was one of the best actors of all time and they knew it.
@@joshuaadewumi4589 Do you think this war start is just because of one woman?? You must read the history,The location of troya is the key to trade and wealth of the east, for most greek states at that time the troya was a treasure,And the war is going on for 10 years, can you imagine? 10 years ! neither laments nor melodies sang the peoples of Anatolia. 😔😔
One can see the tender heart King Priam had for his sons. He took a great risk leaving the safety of his palace to retrieve Hector's body for burial. At least, this is how he is portrayed in the movie.
Well its not exactly meant to a compliment. He's reminding Achilles he didn't earn his reputation for bravery by rescuing kittens. He earned his legendary status by killing a shit ton of people. Priam is asking Achilles not to be a hypocrite, which Achilles absorbs. It's why he cries over Hector's body and calls him brother. He's knows the soldiers he's killed are no worse then him, just less skilled. His grief and Priam's grief bring home the misery he's wrought on others.
The bastard should have spilled the beans that it was he who went against his son's advise to not attack the ships. And attacked at day break. Had he listened to Hector, all of this could've been avoided. Now he lost every thing.
And also the bastard ignored Paris' advise and decided to bring the Trojan horse inside Troy.. Paris wanted it burned. The fall of Troy in this movie is purely on King Liams fault, if only he had listened to his sons..
Two respected kings in the most heartwarming moment of a tough war conflict. The first one is Achilles; young, stubborn and archetype of bravery. Son of king of the Myrmidons Peleus of Phthia and goddess Thetis. The main subject of the epic poem “Iliad” is “the wrath of Achilles” and the events it sparked off. In the scene you’re about to read, this famous wrath gives way to the greatness of his opponent and another aspect of the hero’s character is revealed. Achilles takes part in the siege of Troy carried out by the allied Greek cities army. The second one is Priam, the old king of Troy; the glorious city under siege by the Achaeans now. His son Paris-Alexander fell in love with beautiful Helen, wife of king of Sparta, and took her with him to Troy. The Achaeans are here to take her back. Hector, his other son, killed Patroclus during a battle as he was wearing Achilles’ armor. Patroclus was Achilles’ dear childhood friend and he revenged his death by killing Hector in a duel. Then, blinded by rage and sorrow he dishonored the dead body of the prince by dragging it back to his camp fastened to his chariot. This impiety towards a dead person, and even more towards a great warrior and prince, came as surprise not only to the Trojans, but even to the Achaeans. But who would ever dare to stand up against Achilles? Anyone would tremble in fear before this irritable and stubborn semi-god. Anyone but one who had nothing more to lose! Priam, as a child, had already experienced the destruction of his hometown by Hercules’ army. He grew up to be a skillful and fair king and his people loved him deeply. Now in his old age he was about to live through the same calamity. But before watching his city burn down to the ground, he witnessed his sons getting killed one after another. In Hector’s case, he did not only have to deal with his sorrow for losing his crown prince, but he even had to face his pain for witnessing his son’s corpse being dishonored. Hector was still lying unburied outside Achilles’ tent and Priam decided to go meet with Achilles himself and plead for his son’s body to be returned in exchange for ransom. He took off one night and sneaked into the Achaean camp. God Hermes, the one who accompanies the dead to the Underworld, helped him and he reached Achilles’ tent unnoticed and entered the tent of the king of Myrmidons without any hesitation. The scene unfolding between the two kings as described by Homer in Iliad (24: 485 - 676) is amazing! lderly and weathered king Priam kneels before the murderer of his child, touches his knees and kisses his hands. This was the traditional way to plead at that time. Achilles just lost it! All the others standing around were simply staring at each other full of surprise. Priam remains dedicated to his cause. He looks at Achilles and speaks out to him: “Divine Achilles, remember your father who is, like me, on the grievous door step of senility. Maybe he, too, is all alone in sorrow and no one is there to defend him. But when he hears that you are alive, his heart is filled with joy. Because he still hopes that one day he will see his beloved son returning from Troy. But I, I am utterly unblest, seeing I begat sons the best in Troy, yet of them not one is left…” He explains the purpose of his unexpected visit and pleads: “Show respect to the gods, Achilles, and pity on me, remembering your own father. I am far more piteous than he, and have endured what no other man has ever endured, to bring to my mouth the hand of the man who killed my sons…” And while he is still on his knees bawling in grief for his child, Achilles gently takes the old man’s hand and surrenders to his own grief. It is not only Patroclus he is grieving for. Achilles knew that if he went to fight in Troy, he’d never come back. His mother had warned him and that’s why she had tried to hide him. But Achilles would rather die young and glorious than live a long yet insignificant life. And so, he knows he won’t get to see his father again and Priam’s maneuver to begin the conversation talking about Pileus was right on target! Achilles weeps together with his enemy at a terrifying moment when both have to face the common fate of man. This enormous rage that made him cross all limits now freezes out of respect and compassion for the noble elder with white hair. He reaches out and raises Priam, who can barely stand on his feet now, by his hand: Ice breaks “Ah unhappy man, too many are the evils you have endured in your soul. How did you find the courage to come here all alone and meet the eyes of me that have killed your sons? Your heart is truly made of iron! But come here, sit on the throne and despite our pain, let our suffers lie quiet in our hearts. For no profit comes with lament! Because that is what the gods have arranged for the wretched mortals, that they should live in pain; and themselves are sorrowless. For two urns of gifts are set upon Zeus’ doorstep; one with ills and one with blessings. If you receive gifts from both urns, you will have good and bad things come your way. But whoever receives the ills only, will have a condemned life on this divine earth, hunted both by gods and humans.” Digging up his memories, Achilles, who now is in a mental state similar to psychoanalysis, comes to realize that his father, Priam, is one of the luckiest people; one of those who have received Zeus’ gifts of both urns. He was king, wed to a goddess, and they had a son who grew up to be one of the greatest heroes of the Greeks. But now the time for sufferings had come. He won’t have his son by his side anymore, his son won’t take care of him in his old age and there will be no successor to his throne. Priam, who has lived a glorious royal life and was admired by everyone, has to face the same situation as Pileus. People said that Priam was the happiest man alive, and then evils knocked on his door; war, the loss of his children and soon the destruction of his city. Achilles does not say it directly, but maybe as he is describing the two elders’ fate, he might have noticed the tragic coincidence that both had crossed from happiness to sufferings because of a single wrong choice their sons made. Priam will be left all alone because Achilles disregarded death and chose glory, and Priam will suffer consequences because of Paris’ passionate love for Helen. Achilles and Priam, conqueror and conquered, form a silent alliance for their own good. Both, knowing that they have no future, need to make amends with the past. “Hold on strong and don’t let your heart break. Because grieving for your son will do us no good. You can’t bring him back to life”, Achilles says trying to comfort his new friend and sends his servants to wash Hector’s corpse and to take care of it as it is right to do. He announces a truce of eleven days for Priam to give his son the proper burial. As tradition states, ransom payment will seal the transaction. This way, the one who pleads preserves his dignity by paying for his son and not accepting any charity. As for Achilles, it gives him the right to say to dead Patroclus “don’t get mad at me Patroclus when you hear in Hades that I have freed Hector for his father’s sake, because the ransom were not humble. And you will get your fair share.” Chaos was brought back to order and now these two men, who will be enemies tomorrow, can enjoy the inner peace they were looking for. Achilles invites Priam to dine with him. As he used to dine with Patroclus. While they are dining, Homer opens a small window for us to take a look at this moment of serenity as these two enjoy a moment of sacred friendship. “… and Priam was admiring Achilles. He was so great and comely, like a god! But Achilles also was looking at Priam with admiration, for he was so noble and hearkening to his words!” Iliad closes up with yet another supper when Priam holds a glorious feast at his palace following Hector’s funeral. What happened next when the war started again, we find out in later texts. Homer starts his poem with the famous phrase “Sing, goddess, the wrath of Peleus’ son, Achilles, that destructive wrath which brought countless woes upon the Achaeans” and ends with the verse “And such were the funeral rites of horse-tamer Hector”. And this is how Homer honored the great and brave Hector. Two warrior kings enjoying the blessing of peace for a moment by his dead body. Two enemies had discovered virtues in each other’s eyes behind the atrocities of war. They both saw a peaceful man lost in the darkness of war. And they respected him. HOMER-ILIAD
"Even enemies can show respect..." Do you hear that, Washington? Democrats? Republicans? Listen to the wisdom of Priam, since Washington has no wisdom of it's own. "Even enemies can show respect."
I don’t believe that it truly confuses him. I’m sure he understands it fully, but also knows deep down that he is doomed to be nothing else but the perfect warrior that he is, a killing machine never being allowed the respite of the love & peace that he so craves. Things such as love, sentimentality and the comfort of peace were utterly foreign to such an exemplary warrior as Achilles. That is why he fought so hard to find Briseis when Troy was falling. She was the only thing that gave him a true glimpse of what genuine love & peace was like, and when death found him he was undaunted & at peace because of that.
The wisdom of a wise man cuts through the pride of the haughty mind of a young man and humbles him. Achilles humbled himself to a point that wisdom made this beast of a man cry over Hector's fallen body! WOW
He was short on courage. It was only after the gods guaranteed they would help him get to Achilles' tent safely and that the latter wouldnt kill him, that he accepted to go. Whilst in the tent though, he was in constant fear Achilles might kill him. They altered Iliad in this scene
It’s interesting, violence doesn’t do anything to him because it’s something he knows the best, it’s sentimentality that gets him uncomfortable. Probably the first time he had to deal with the consequence of killing someone, every other time he killed people, that was it.
When Achilles cries over Hector body, tears coming from eyes as well. How many mistakes did we do in our lives? In methaporical way... how many...We knew they were mistakes still we didn't have luck to meet someone as Priam to tell us that.
This is a perfect example how to get under someone's skin. Priam talked so well and so passionately that he convinced Achilles to give him Hector's body.
Gotta say this. Peter O’toole is one of the best actors of his generation. Absolutely amazing in every film he made but this one stands out for me cuz it was the first movie i saw him in, second was Lawrence of Arabia
It hits harder, way harder when you realized that when priam said "how many cousins have you killed? How many sons, and fathers and brothers and husband, how many brave Achilles?" He's not just asking him a question, he's also saying that he just killed all that pesonalities in one man. Hector, a father, a son, a cousin, a husband, and a brother.
From the 62’ to 70 he appeared in Lawrence of Arabia, Beckett, The Lion in Winter, and Goodbye Mr. Chips. Probably the best 8 year run in cinema ever, and it was his first 8 years as a leading man. Bewildering. Possibly the best actor ever.
“I loved my boy from the moment he opened his eyes til the moment you closed them.” Such a beautiful line. Every young man and woman too should be so fortunate to have a father like Priam who loves them so deeply and fiercely
1:51 you see Achilles become vulnerable at this point. It was one of my favorite parts in this scene. Priam’s sensibility and compassion kept Achilles wondering : “Fk, old man! What next? Stop it already…” lol I’m almost convinced that Priam’s last line made Achilles question his entire existence lol. This was such a powerful scene.
Brad Pitt is obviously upstaged by the legend that is Peter OToole in this scene, but I think he deserves respect for his acting in this scene too, you can see the subtle change in his demeanor as the scene goes on as Achilles struggles to retain his macho attitude. Priams words have moved him deeply and he is struggling not to show the emotion.
"I knew your father, he died before his time. But he was lucky not to live long enough to see his son fall" 10/10 delivery.
It's Peter O'Toole you fool. Every delivery is a 10.
Fun Fact: Achilles’s father actually saved Priam as a young prince from Hercules himself.
@@krisynthiagomez5883 fact?
@Brian Robbins Fact in as much as myths are factual. According to the old stories Achilles’s father Peleus joined in a band with Hercules and were nearly successful in breaking down the gates of Troy. They had killed several princes of Troy in the battle but Peleus intervened when Hercules was about to kill the youngest prince who was only a boy (Priam) and spared his life.
I hear you. Was giving you a hard time. Th actual iliad is so different than the movies. Hector and Achilles fight is nothing like what they showed. It's so silly Hector getting chased around the walls and the Gods were so much more involved.
“I loved my boy from the moment he opened his eyes till the moment you closed them”
damn i get chills every time i hear this
Seriously. For a parent it's terrifying
And that's why I love the old sayings. They are profound in meaning and beautiful and easy to the ears.
Seriously. That's the line that convinces Achillies.
Good line rite
I loved this scene before...but once I had kids, it became unforgettable.
I saw this movie as a teenager and King Priam's line "you are still my enemy tonight, but even enemies can show respect" has stayed with me ever since. Showing respect and civility even in the face of an enemy or opposition is a great virtue.
Me too bro
That line actually frightens me....I don't know why.....
Well said...
I forget who sings it but I always think of the song “just smile and wave”
Same with me
He never once said
"Please give me my son's body"
He always says it with such command but not too much to provoke him, rather enough to command respect.
That is a mark of a capable king
And a true father
Which is bullshit, because in Iliad Priam is in constant fear that Achilles might snap and kill him too on the spot.
@@mskidi you do know this movie strayed away from the illiad right?
@@thesenate5913 Yes, the fuckers ruined the masterpiece and turned it into generic Hollywood melodrama
@@mskidi This is arguably better than him being scared.
@@mskidi A story masterpiece adapted into a movie with its own differences does not justify and is no excuse to mistreat and insult real life human beings like the ones you're talking about. Your criticism towards this movie needs improvement to be more constructive rather than destructive.
"You're a far better king than the one leading this army"
"You're a far better king"
@@ricardojameson673 Lol indeed. I stand corrected.
There is nothing best or better or good about agaememnon he is a lusty tyrant
@Caylan Norway You couldn't see it since the writer corrected it.
Can't believe this idiot cut it off before he says that.
Moment when Achilles realize that he's fighting for wrong King. Also Peter O'toole best performance on whole movie.
Peter O'toole was terrible in this film.
He was never fighting for Agamenon. But he did see that Priam was the greater man.
@@agenttheater5 He still fucked Priam over using the horse trick lol
Achilles knew even before he set sail to Troy. He is fighting for himself and his name last through the ages
Dan what?
I love that even at his weakest and saddest moment. He’s still a king. Demanding his son be returned to him and never saying please to Achilles.
Me too!
I don't think its got anything to do with being a king, he knows that, he knelt down on his knee and kissed his hand earlier on did he not?
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Priam ought to have kicked that cowardly horndog son of his (Paris) out of Troy, for chickening out of the fight with Menelaus.
Anyone seeing him plead kinda explains the please. It would be weird for him also to ask please
Priam is not demanding anything, he went to the tent of Achilles (A Warlord), he knelt before him and kissed his hand. He is begging Achilles to let him take Hector's body back to the city.
"I have endured what no man on earth has endured before I kissed the hands of the man who killed my son' wow truly powerful
“I loved my boy from the moment he opened his eyes till the moment you closed them”.
*No way he didn’t feel like shit after being told that.*
Right you could see it!
Your eyes!
Course he was feeling guilt
Also the obvious flaw in Achilles' thinking. "How many cousins have you killed? How many sons and fathers and brothers, brave Achilles?" You can see it come clear across his face; holy shit, what a line.
Achilles got killed but that cut deeper...
I love how Achilles never shows an ounce of fear or discomfort even for a second until Priam shows up.
Priam reminded him of his mother and father.. and that they would never see Achilles again
It's not swords that hit him, but words..
And it hit him deep..
There was no fear shown by the king. It was a sympathy empathy type emotion. No fear
He showed respect most of all. In this movie he’s wise and knowledgeable of how everything works. When Priam was there he realized he wasn’t even the smartest guy in his own tent that night. Got schooled on life by and older man. Happens to us all.
@@juanmatias41054 beautiful observation and deserves more attention thank you!
@@jchea1764 They lied.
"words can never hurt me"
" how many cousins, brothers, fathers, sons, husbands you have killed brave Achilles " this is heart rending, great emotional breakdown not by the Priam (king) but Achilles too was in retrospection, brilliant acting, great dialogue delivery, Troy masterpiece and gem of cinematic history.
The pain he feels must be compounded by his own role in his son's death. First he ignored Hector's advice to send Helen back, reasoning Apollo watched over their city and the greeks could not defeat them. Then he ignored Hector's council to not engage the Greeks after defeating them that first day, which led directly to the events that caused Achilles to challange him to a duel. In some ways, he is as responsible for Hector's death as Achilles...
But if you look at the historical aspect of it, Helen never was in Troy. From the findings of Herodotus and his own previous reasoning, Helen never was in Troy. His trip to ancient Egypt verified his belief. When the Greeks came to Troy looking for Helen, the Trojans told them they were knocking at the wrong door. The Greeks only realized this after ransacking Troy.
King Priam knew that the Greeks did not come all the way to Troy to fight for a woman. They're not that stupid.
@@katerinapatiniotis5598 exactly my friend Katerina. Agamemnon found this problem profitable for his own beliefs. The extension of the Mykinian Empire. It's so beatiful knowing there are still beatiful and smart women like you
Patroclus aswell has a main responsibility as He ignored Achilles warning and telling Him not to go to war. Hector now thought He was fighting Achilles. Paris and Patroclus stubbornness led to these two Men's death.
I feel like no one gives Patroclus the heat He deserves. He is just as bad as Paris.
@@user-lj6jp8qp7z Comparing a simp who doomed his entire kingdom to a guy who wanted to find his own footing in battle is a bad comparison my man.
"Even enemies can show respect."
The Cowboy Messi & Ronaldo fanboys: are we a joke to you?
I wish this sort of mercy happened in real life
@@dyteriaswinson8370 too bad we have to make amerikkka great again
@@crashpal might be hard to do with the way are leaders acted during the shutdown 😡
Where is the respect when his boy slept with a man's wife knowing it could possibly bring death and destruction to HIS people?
“How many cousins have you killed? How many sons and fathers and brothers and husbands? How many, brave Achilles?”
How many sons and brothers and fathers and friends and uncles and grandpa's - how many men, Achilles?
Someone has counted and he actually killed between 20 and 30 people in entire movie.
@@lukastojanovic8904 I suggest you to read The Iliad. It tells better the story of Troy and who was Achilles. One of the greatest warriors of all time, according to the mythology.
@@elizaldoo I had no intention to neglect his role in Iliad, which is with no doubt great, instead I just wanted to present fun fact about the movie.
how many breads have you eaten in your life
In a way, Achilles felt for the first time to be in presence of paternal greatness. There was no bitterness to Priam's voice - there was grief, regret, but no anger or reproach. And a warrior like Achilles couldn't help but respect him for that.
This wasn't even about respect, Achilles was straight up afraid of Priam. Not because Priam is a great warrior, which he clearly isn't, he's just a feeble old man. That wouldn't frighten Achilles anyway. He was afraid of Priams courage, forgiveness and kindness. Because that is something Achilles couldn't comprehend up until this point. Priam made Achilles understand that there is more to live than just glory and war.
@@nicowatzek325 I'll drink to that.
Exactly, Achilles was a cynic who had no faith in kings. Even Odysseus whom he respected he considered a decent man but not great.
Here he sees a great king who deserves his crown & it makes him question his cynical worldview.
1:51 you see Achilles become vulnerable at this point. It was one of my favorite parts in this scene.
Priam’s sensibility and compassion kept Achilles wondering : “Fk, old man! What next? Stop it already…” lol
I’m almost convinced that Priam’s last line made Achilles question his entire existence lol.
An overall powerful scene.
This line always gets me... "I loved my boy from the moment he opened his eyes 'til the moment you closed them." and only someone like Peter O'Toole can deliver it in a way that makes it so memorable. Everything he said was so moving.
“Doesn’t change anything, you are still my enemy in the morning”
“You are still my enemy tonight”
But even enemies can show respect. This film is very well crafted. It ages like fine wine.
@@TheFlash3237 I just watched it earlier tonight (or last night since it's 6am now). And indeed it does
“But even enemies can show respect.”
@hhhk20 But do you have respect?
I never forgot that line from the time I 1st heard it...
"Your Still My Enemy Tonight...But Even Enemies Can Show Respect." God I love that Line, there is such power in it
I admire your courage
The modern man's character is far from what these men represented. These were true men who understood honour, culture, respect, values, traditions, love and hatred. Everything cleverly shot in this scene. Kudos to the directing.
You're*
@@esew7124 You know what else is lacking? Cutting modern people some slack.
@@arc4055 ?????????
The voice, the screen presence, the eyes and the actor...Peter O'Toole...what a legend!
"Even an enemy can show respect" damn what a line!!!! Today most people don't seem to understand that...
Can't you cut those people some slack?
This is arguable the best scene in the entire movie. So many different emotions and feelings thrown into one scene. Its almost like Priam made Achillies feel guilty for killing Hector out his own desire for reveng. Its like Priam made Achillies question why he was fighting for the Greeks
His speech change my mindset what hero really was.
Great warrior doesnt make a hero
And Achilles actually cried over Hector's body. He knew deeply that did not deserve to be killed and humiliated like that. So yes, Priam basically opened his eyes.
Based on the best scene in classical literature :)
he basically undressed Achilles with his pleas, it's very subtle the whay Brad does it, but so good. He finally shows discomfort for executing a man out of spite, he knew the duel he forced wasn't right because his cousin wan't murdered ina dishonourable way and finally now comes to the realization he wasn't acting out of justice but out of rage.
I don’t know of it’s arguable honestly lol
As a whole I hated this movie but it didn’t take away from how great this scene was. Peter O’Toole was a legend.
P: You’ve taken everything from me...
A: What about Paris?
P: I said you’ve taken everything from me
Lol savage
lol!
Well, since he tried to have Paris killed when he was a baby, Priam probably didn't felt that much for him anyways xD
Lmao
@Blaster Master lol pity he didn't succeed
"Even enemies can show respect". Such a profound dialogue.
I have discussed this with many people that even if you become an enemy so be a dignified enemy.
Because an enemy today may be a friend tomorrow.
Well said. Yes. We never know.
Peter O'Toole great actor showing so much passion you can really feel his emotions
Priam is one hell of a king.
much wow oh yeah yeah
Oh yeah yeah
No, his foolishness for not sending Helen back cause the downfall of his city
@@jacobpetion3395 do u know that Helen was obligazed by a goddes to stay with priam?
@@jacobpetion3395 Not really foolishness it is more like the inevitability of events and selfishness for the love of his son. Priam understood that if he sent Helen back Paris would follow her and he would surely be killed by Menelaus. Priam also understood that the wound had already been inflicted and that Agamemnon would use this to wage war on Troy regardless of if Helen was returned or not. So Priam chose to let Helen stay in Troy fully aware of the consequences instead of letting Paris follow Helen and be killed he gambled on keeping them both safe in Troy and fighting the War against the Greeks. We know that Troy was sacked and burned in the end as a result of the Trojans being tricked and defeated. But it was essentially all because a man loved his foolish son who enticed a Warlord by giving him a reason to wage war. Priam in trying to protect one son from his own lustful actions would ultimately lose the other at the hand of Achilies along with his own life and that of his Kingdom. Such was the result of Paris's actions a lesson to be learned.
Dialogue better than all of GOT s8 episodes combined...
because here David Benioff didn't run out of source material
@@onlytruth3188 lol like that would change anything. Before season 5 started, they had RIDICULOUS AMOUNT of source material and they halfassed *EVERYTHING*
OnlyTruth that is nothing more than an excuse for bad writing. You have seen the elements that made shows and movies legendary. Use them.
Because GOT is a ripoff, a mash-up of different great films trying to believe in it's own stupid legend.
@@bulletsupremo1676 Mash up of which films exactly?
How Peter O'Toole went his entire career and never won an Oscar, I will never know.
Well he did, but honorary
Oscars are bs anyways
Idekw
Didn't want to pay a bribe I guess
He should have been nominated for this scene alone.
The line "he was lucky to not live long enough to see his son fall" has layered meaning.
Priam doesnt just mean "fall in battle" he also means "fall into being a ruthless tyrant".
This speech moved Achilles in ways he didn't think he could be moved, he weeps in regret at what he has done to the body of an honorable warrior, and his heart is turned fully away from the Greek cause. It is here Achilles decides he is done fighting the Trojans and he even begins to think he might flee the carnage to come with Briseis and attempt the quiet life his mother spoke of.
Destiny obviously had other plans for him though, and the fact he was found dead with only the arrow still in his heel gave birth to his legend and continuing legacy.
I personally love how the filmmakers handled Achilles "invulnerability" and myth, he was not a demi god, he was simply the greatest warrior of his time and unmatched in martial prowess.
The dialog in this movie is just flawless
the dialog is on par with the first Godfather movie
Absolutely!!!
That specific bit is very close to the original text.
Ehhh…..the dialogue in this particular scene is outstanding yes, mostly because it's taking some passages straight out of the actual Iliad. But the rest of the movie? They dropped the ball in a few parts, especially with that ridiculous "sack of wine" insult when Achilles and Agamemnon are arguing in the latter's tent over Briseis. It's a good film hampered by shoddy writing in certain areas, had they tightened that up it could have gone from good to truly great.
YOU SACK OF WINE!!
This whole scene was about respect. Which 90-99% of humans dont understand today.
You are definitely right
You're an idiot dude, you clearly don't understand what respect is because you've never been respected by anyone
@xaNe don't tell him to shut up , he just illustrated crackshack's point quite eloquently in his ignorance . Don't interfere with the ignorant and hateful, when they are illustrating those traits for the world to see. It makes it easier to identify them.
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Beautiful monologue, delivered by a great actor. This scene speaks volumes on the nature of true and loving parent. A parent will always love their child and as a father, you always remember when your child enters the world and stares up at you, for the first time. It changes you...and you realize, that your life is not your own anymore. Raising your child and giving them them your heart is all that matters.
This is basically the only scene in the movie that's accurate to the original text, but that's fine because it's one of the most important scenes in the Iliad - it's basically the conclusion of Achilles character arc.
@Pennywise The Dancing Clown he fought a river god and he was a demigod wasnt he invulnerable?
@Pennywise The Dancing Clown wasnt he still a demigod?
@Pennywise The Dancing Clown I think that it is implied that he is a demigod in the poem, since he is the son of a goddess, but you are correct in saying that he was not invulnerable, I think that's from a different version of the story
Snapped Squire this movie takes a more humanistic interpretation of the illiad, with the gods not being involved in the story and seeming more like embellishments to what actually happened.
KaiGonGinn what do you mean conclusion of his character
Priam hated Achilles more than the younger man ever hated Hector, yet he treated him with respect and even scolded him like his own father would've. How could he treat the man's son any different then.
priam knew and respected achilles' father. there was no reason he hated achilles. it was more hurt and disappointment.
@@bademoxy The guy had killed and butchered his son, so there definitely was a reason. There was pain over the dead of his son as well but it was also painful for him to have to beg the man who killed him. Still, he pushed his pride away because he knew that in the end he pittied Achilles for having grown without a father to teach him right from wrong to such a degree.
And Achilles, despite his anger, knew enough to admit that Priam was a better king than Agamemnon, and that Hector was the best he ever fought. And it was heartbreaking seeing him weep for Hector, knowing he took his life too early for a misunderstanding, calling him brother in the end.
@@elnombredelarosa3167 Achille’s Father, Peleus outlived him. He was also raised by Chiron as a child. Hollywood changed the narrative for film sake but Peleus was alive and well when Achilles fought in the Trojan War.
@@kaiyinmarcel i didn't know that
“I knew your father. He died before his time, but he was lucky not to live long enough to see his son fall.”
That’s a brutal line.
That pretty much proves Achilles’s parents weren’t gods lol. His mother in the film was clearly human and his dad is described as human by Priam here, presumably a Greek soldier.
I became a father 3 years ago and i watch this a lot because it represents the true nature of the strongest love i have ever felt, a father to his son.
I can't really imagine this scene a king who kissed the hands of his enemy for killing his son, a very bold and brave king.
I think it's meant to show two things; Priam is such a man of honor, that even after killing his son, clearly the only person he holds dear, he still has tremendous respect for the man. And he does not let his emotions cloud his judgement. He will still reach out and show some sort of endearment in order to get his son back. He shows his humanity to someone that anyone else would see as a monster. Brilliant scene and acting.
This movie is very well scripted and made
He also appealed to Achilles, whose own father Peleus died, appealing to him as a father of a slain son.
That was brave.. he swallowed ALL HIS PRIDE to get his son back
Thats taken from Iliad straight up. ἀλλ᾽ αἰδεῖο θεοὺς Ἀχιλεῦ, αὐτόν τ᾽ ἐλέησον μνησάμενος σοῦ πατρός· ἐγὼ δ᾽ ἐλεεινότερός περ, ἔτλην δ᾽ οἷ᾽ οὔ πώ τις ἐπιχθόνιος βροτὸς ἄλλος, ἀνδρὸς παιδοφόνοιο ποτὶ στόμα χεῖρ᾽ ὀρέγεσθαι = But respect the Gods oh brave Achilles. Have pity for me, remember your old man. I am more pitiful than him, for I have to suffer what no other man has suffered yet, having kissed the hand of the man who killed my kid.
Priam literally son'd him lol he basically said, "I'm not mad Achilles, I'm disappointed." Parents have a way of making you feel like shit lol
Facts lol
I'd literally break down if my folks told me they were disappointed in me
@@TopFlightSecurity415 It’s also funny how Achilles gets pissed off about his cousin’s death yet he knows he himself has killed so many cousins, sons, fathers, brothers, husbands, and uncles. Now he knows what it feels like.
Lmao. Sad but true.
That's one hell of a royal voice.
This is one of the most well acted scenes of all time. The King gives me chills every time!
This is an extremely powerful scene....Makes me cry every time...
The same to me bro
Same here
how many kids have you killed through mastarbation, how many brave wanker?
I wanted to say y’all are sissies.. but it makes me cry too
Achilles: He killed my cousin!
Priam: How many cousins have you killed?
Edited: That's one big slap xD
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@@alexandercrush *That's
@@lalibellule7176 That's
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What I like the most about the writing in this movie is that it was not love for Briseis or a grief about Patroclus’s death that touches Achilles the most. No, it was a small talk with an old man that he never knew before. It was Priam’s words that made Achilles feel himself like a school boy who knew he did smth bad but yet wasn’t brave enough to admit it straight forward. And it was Priam who pointed to Achilles how pointless any war and any revenge is.
"Even enemies can show respect." Has that truth been lost in the Internet Age.
This truth has been forgotten for a long time sadly.
@@nicowatzek325 If it's forgotten then you guys wouldn't be mentioning the truth again in the comment section, would you? Must have forgotten about that, huh?
"...even enemies can show respect"
- Love this line.
Peter O Toole....no one can replace him in this scene!!
Maybe Antony Hopkins.
John Hurt perhaps.
@@dmtvsd2653 maybe Ian McKellen or Morgan Freeman as well.
Or the 1st dumbledore
We shall see in 40 years
This was Achilles’ come to Jesus moment. He realized immediately he was fighting for the wrong side. Such an amazing scene.
My brother hellene, a come to who???
"I knew your father. He died before his time but he was lucky not to live long enough to see his son fall." Gets me everytime.
You're still my enemy tonight. Cot damn! What a line!
Yup.. I love it
When he says let me give him two coins for the boatman. Wow. What a legend.
"How many cousins have you killed?"
He spoke like a nigga here lol
Thousands... probably..
Trillon dollar question
5 I think
@@dams6829 lol
Priam did not come to Achilles as a King. He came to him as an honest grieving father, begging what is left of his son back even knowing what could happen to him at the hand of Achilles himself.
Such a good scene. Far better than most writing in movies/tv shows these days. Thanks for uploading.
He came to him as a father and as a king. He never once pleads or begs with Achilles. He tells him what he wants and commands him but he also shows him respect, humbles him like a father would and shows him his true emotions. That is what gets to Achilles. You can still be a great man, a great king even while still being just a man. A man with emotions, with a family, with love for his son. And that is something that frightens Achilles to his core, because he didn't understand that up to this point. This conversation with Priam made Achilles understand how much pain he has caused in his life, it has made him understand that there is more to life than honour, glory and war.
Why are you bringing up Game Of Thrones and comparing it to this? That has nothing do with this. There was no need to bring it up. It’s not some competition for superiority.
No wonder why the Trojans were a proud nation. They had a true king.
Poor Priam,he saw his first born being killed,then watched his country being burned,he was the one with the worst fate in the movie.
3:04, Achilles wishes he was serving under Priam.
I feel like Achilles felt at that moment like he and his army should Had been fighting along side The Trojans and Prince Hector NOT AGAINST
If you look closely he has regret & pain it took him that long to realize that he was fighting for the wrong side .. he should had been helping the Trojans and hector fight the Greeks
Anthony Jaden Romero no why would Achilles fight with the Trojans he was Greek he hated the king he was under but loved his soldiers who were also Greeks I think he just realized that pre am was a good king and hector was really a good man and the way pre am was talking about his son it hit him hard yes he had regrets and knew that the war was pointless but never will he serve under pre am he was a Greek not a trojan
Had Paris not taken Helen, Achilles and Menalaus might well have been fighting alongside the Trojans.
This was was against the backdrop of King Agamemnon's disrespect and crass attitude towards Achilles throughout the entire campaign.
Achilles is overwhelmed by so much wisdom that he’s speechless every time Priam talks. He can’t help but respect this King.
This movie is and will always be one of my favorites! That dialogue is heart wrenching!
“You’re still my enemy tonight, but even enemies can show respect.”
Peter O'toole was a genius, with a voice of a Real King, stunning actor.
Peter O’Toole gives Brad Pitt a real acting lesson here. Pitt is a star but Peter is a master.
Pitt kept up really well here, it doesn’t feel one sided.
@@alexman378 absolutely Brad is great here.
Brad Pitt had to step up to the plate in a scene with the icon Peter O'Toole here
@@007ndc true. He held his own. He did great too.
this was quite important in those times, without proper funeral the soul was considered to wonder aimlesly besides the river styx and never go in the underworld, well for at least 100 years
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Styx
That is true.
It's interesting when you think that Priam behaved like a teacher, a father figure to Achilles, showing him the flaws on his reasoning and the things he hadn't thought about.
Peter O'toole was and always will be a great in any role he played!
Peter O'Toole is the best actor ever and this scene alone proves it! Biggest crime of the Oscars was that he never recieved one!
Awards are meaningless. Even the nobleprice has lost all its meaning
Exactly forty years after his first nomination, the academy gave him an honorary Oscar. I like to think it's because they felt guilty. He was one of the best actors of all time and they knew it.
AMAZING Peter O'toole ... I trust every words he says... Fantastic acting.
"Even enemies can show respect" - Timeless quote.
They didn't really show it in the movie, but Achilles cut off Hector's ears, eyes, and tongue. He mutilated Hector and is ashamed of himself.
This is the Real Father ...!!!!!!!!!!!!
A anatolian father 😢
@@ozanshijin8094 😆😆😆😆😆😆😆
@@user-qs8zo3xg3r No matter who lives in Anatolia, Hittites, Luwians, Greeks, Romans, Turks, they are generally in pain.
A real father would have sent a stolen woman back and save his country.
@@joshuaadewumi4589 Do you think this war start is just because of one woman??
You must read the history,The location of troya is the key to trade and wealth of the east, for most greek states at that time the troya was a treasure,And the war is going on for 10 years, can you imagine? 10 years ! neither laments nor melodies sang the peoples of Anatolia. 😔😔
One can see the tender heart King Priam had for his sons. He took a great risk leaving the safety of his palace to retrieve Hector's body for burial. At least, this is how he is portrayed in the movie.
The fact that he still called him "brave Achilles" is just unimaginable 😍how can man be so noble and forgiving
Well its not exactly meant to a compliment. He's reminding Achilles he didn't earn his reputation for bravery by rescuing kittens. He earned his legendary status by killing a shit ton of people. Priam is asking Achilles not to be a hypocrite, which Achilles absorbs. It's why he cries over Hector's body and calls him brother. He's knows the soldiers he's killed are no worse then him, just less skilled. His grief and Priam's grief bring home the misery he's wrought on others.
@@anonanon6741 intresting. Thank you so much for your pov. 🙏
The legend that was Peter O'Toole, incredible actor.
The bastard should have spilled the beans that it was he who went against his son's advise to not attack the ships.
And attacked at day break.
Had he listened to Hector, all of this could've been avoided.
Now he lost every thing.
And also the bastard ignored Paris' advise and decided to bring the Trojan horse inside Troy.. Paris wanted it burned.
The fall of Troy in this movie is purely on King Liams fault, if only he had listened to his sons..
@@mikejulz87 I'd argue the fall of Troy is purely Paris' fault for messing around with Helena
@@abdelreyes351 it's Helen not Helena dumbo
@@warrenyang7673 I was like King Liam?
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Hector was the epitome of a tragic hero. He was so likeable that I cried when I saw him being dragged by Achilles, violated even in death.
Few minutes of having a chat, Achilles had learned many things that night.
I miss the ancient war movies of the early 2000’s. I wish they still made films like this
Imagine a king that's fight his own wars, Achilles felt like he met the king who would
Even enemies can show respect.
This was the most important part in the book “the Iliad”,
Two respected kings in the most heartwarming moment of a tough war conflict.
The first one is Achilles; young, stubborn and archetype of bravery. Son of king of the Myrmidons Peleus of Phthia and goddess Thetis. The main subject of the epic poem “Iliad” is “the wrath of Achilles” and the events it sparked off. In the scene you’re about to read, this famous wrath gives way to the greatness of his opponent and another aspect of the hero’s character is revealed. Achilles takes part in the siege of Troy carried out by the allied Greek cities army.
The second one is Priam, the old king of Troy; the glorious city under siege by the Achaeans now. His son Paris-Alexander fell in love with beautiful Helen, wife of king of Sparta, and took her with him to Troy. The Achaeans are here to take her back. Hector, his other son, killed Patroclus during a battle as he was wearing Achilles’ armor. Patroclus was Achilles’ dear childhood friend and he revenged his death by killing Hector in a duel. Then, blinded by rage and sorrow he dishonored the dead body of the prince by dragging it back to his camp fastened to his chariot. This impiety towards a dead person, and even more towards a great warrior and prince, came as surprise not only to the Trojans, but even to the Achaeans. But who would ever dare to stand up against Achilles? Anyone would tremble in fear before this irritable and stubborn semi-god. Anyone but one who had nothing more to lose!
Priam, as a child, had already experienced the destruction of his hometown by Hercules’ army. He grew up to be a skillful and fair king and his people loved him deeply. Now in his old age he was about to live through the same calamity. But before watching his city burn down to the ground, he witnessed his sons getting killed one after another. In Hector’s case, he did not only have to deal with his sorrow for losing his crown prince, but he even had to face his pain for witnessing his son’s corpse being dishonored. Hector was still lying unburied outside Achilles’ tent and Priam decided to go meet with Achilles himself and plead for his son’s body to be returned in exchange for ransom. He took off one night and sneaked into the Achaean camp. God Hermes, the one who accompanies the dead to the Underworld, helped him and he reached Achilles’ tent unnoticed and entered the tent of the king of Myrmidons without any hesitation. The scene unfolding between the two kings as described by Homer in Iliad (24: 485 - 676) is amazing!
lderly and weathered king Priam kneels before the murderer of his child, touches his knees and kisses his hands. This was the traditional way to plead at that time. Achilles just lost it! All the others standing around were simply staring at each other full of surprise. Priam remains dedicated to his cause. He looks at Achilles and speaks out to him:
“Divine Achilles, remember your father who is, like me, on the grievous door step of senility. Maybe he, too, is all alone in sorrow and no one is there to defend him. But when he hears that you are alive, his heart is filled with joy. Because he still hopes that one day he will see his beloved son returning from Troy. But I, I am utterly unblest, seeing I begat sons the best in Troy, yet of them not one is left…”
He explains the purpose of his unexpected visit and pleads: “Show respect to the gods, Achilles, and pity on me, remembering your own father. I am far more piteous than he, and have endured what no other man has ever endured, to bring to my mouth the hand of the man who killed my sons…”
And while he is still on his knees bawling in grief for his child, Achilles gently takes the old man’s hand and surrenders to his own grief. It is not only Patroclus he is grieving for.
Achilles knew that if he went to fight in Troy, he’d never come back. His mother had warned him and that’s why she had tried to hide him. But Achilles would rather die young and glorious than live a long yet insignificant life. And so, he knows he won’t get to see his father again and Priam’s maneuver to begin the conversation talking about Pileus was right on target! Achilles weeps together with his enemy at a terrifying moment when both have to face the common fate of man. This enormous rage that made him cross all limits now freezes out of respect and compassion for the noble elder with white hair. He reaches out and raises Priam, who can barely stand on his feet now, by his hand:
Ice breaks
“Ah unhappy man, too many are the evils you have endured in your soul. How did you find the courage to come here all alone and meet the eyes of me that have killed your sons? Your heart is truly made of iron! But come here, sit on the throne and despite our pain, let our suffers lie quiet in our hearts. For no profit comes with lament!
Because that is what the gods have arranged for the wretched mortals, that they should live in pain; and themselves are sorrowless. For two urns of gifts are set upon Zeus’ doorstep; one with ills and one with blessings. If you receive gifts from both urns, you will have good and bad things come your way. But whoever receives the ills only, will have a condemned life on this divine earth, hunted both by gods and humans.”
Digging up his memories, Achilles, who now is in a mental state similar to psychoanalysis, comes to realize that his father, Priam, is one of the luckiest people; one of those who have received Zeus’ gifts of both urns. He was king, wed to a goddess, and they had a son who grew up to be one of the greatest heroes of the Greeks. But now the time for sufferings had come. He won’t have his son by his side anymore, his son won’t take care of him in his old age and there will be no successor to his throne. Priam, who has lived a glorious royal life and was admired by everyone, has to face the same situation as Pileus. People said that Priam was the happiest man alive, and then evils knocked on his door; war, the loss of his children and soon the destruction of his city. Achilles does not say it directly, but maybe as he is describing the two elders’ fate, he might have noticed the tragic coincidence that both had crossed from happiness to sufferings because of a single wrong choice their sons made. Priam will be left all alone because Achilles disregarded death and chose glory, and Priam will suffer consequences because of Paris’ passionate love for Helen.
Achilles and Priam, conqueror and conquered, form a silent alliance for their own good. Both, knowing that they have no future, need to make amends with the past.
“Hold on strong and don’t let your heart break. Because grieving for your son will do us no good. You can’t bring him back to life”, Achilles says trying to comfort his new friend and sends his servants to wash Hector’s corpse and to take care of it as it is right to do. He announces a truce of eleven days for Priam to give his son the proper burial. As tradition states, ransom payment will seal the transaction. This way, the one who pleads preserves his dignity by paying for his son and not accepting any charity. As for Achilles, it gives him the right to say to dead Patroclus “don’t get mad at me Patroclus when you hear in Hades that I have freed Hector for his father’s sake, because the ransom were not humble. And you will get your fair share.”
Chaos was brought back to order and now these two men, who will be enemies tomorrow, can enjoy the inner peace they were looking for. Achilles invites Priam to dine with him. As he used to dine with Patroclus. While they are dining, Homer opens a small window for us to take a look at this moment of serenity as these two enjoy a moment of sacred friendship.
“… and Priam was admiring Achilles. He was so great and comely, like a god! But Achilles also was looking at Priam with admiration, for he was so noble and hearkening to his words!”
Iliad closes up with yet another supper when Priam holds a glorious feast at his palace following Hector’s funeral. What happened next when the war started again, we find out in later texts. Homer starts his poem with the famous phrase “Sing, goddess, the wrath of Peleus’ son, Achilles, that destructive wrath which brought countless woes upon the Achaeans” and ends with the verse “And such were the funeral rites of horse-tamer Hector”.
And this is how Homer honored the great and brave Hector. Two warrior kings enjoying the blessing of peace for a moment by his dead body. Two enemies had discovered virtues in each other’s eyes behind the atrocities of war. They both saw a peaceful man lost in the darkness of war. And they respected him.
HOMER-ILIAD
Achilles isn't a king, he's a warlord. He came to troy begrudgingly and would have left if his cousin hadn't gotten himself killed.
@@JamesWillmus read Homer Iliad again
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"Even enemies can show respect..." Do you hear that, Washington? Democrats? Republicans? Listen to the wisdom of Priam, since Washington has no wisdom of it's own. "Even enemies can show respect."
Iconoclasticnation the sad thing is that it’s come to a point where Americans call each other enemies
Agree, unless they disagree with me on Last Jedi. Then they are just FUCKING WRONG! I HATE them!
No bro
Democrats, Republicans & Liberals
/r/enlightenedcentrism all up in this bitch.
"Wisdom of priam" lol. *Cough* trojan horse *cough*
That's some powerful words " I loved him from the moment he opened his eyes til the moment you closed them!!
As a child I didn’t think much of this scene, but as a grown man my respect for the King went up so high here
I loved my boy from the moment he opened his eyes till the moment you closed them 😢
This moves me every time
I pity Achilles. Sentimentality and expressions of love confuse him.
I don’t believe that it truly confuses him. I’m sure he understands it fully, but also knows deep down that he is doomed to be nothing else but the perfect warrior that he is, a killing machine never being allowed the respite of the love & peace that he so craves. Things such as love, sentimentality and the comfort of peace were utterly foreign to such an exemplary warrior as Achilles. That is why he fought so hard to find Briseis when Troy was falling. She was the only thing that gave him a true glimpse of what genuine love & peace was like, and when death found him he was undaunted & at peace because of that.
Very true ... love remains the greatest of all
you pitty one of the greatest heroes ever huh
The wisdom of a wise man cuts through the pride of the haughty mind of a young man and humbles him. Achilles humbled himself to a point that wisdom made this beast of a man cry over Hector's fallen body! WOW
Say what you will about Priam; he wasn’t short on courage.
He was short on courage. It was only after the gods guaranteed they would help him get to Achilles' tent safely and that the latter wouldnt kill him, that he accepted to go. Whilst in the tent though, he was in constant fear Achilles might kill him. They altered Iliad in this scene
“You still my enemy in the morning,... you are my enemy tonight, even enemy show some respect “!!
No body owns Achilles like preamb did you can see it on Achilles face very good acting
It’s interesting, violence doesn’t do anything to him because it’s something he knows the best, it’s sentimentality that gets him uncomfortable. Probably the first time he had to deal with the consequence of killing someone, every other time he killed people, that was it.
It's called emotions, being human mm
Even enemies can show some respect...I felt that 😭😭
"Even enemy's can show respect" i love this line! Even an old man can teach a prodigy/Demi-god something now and then.
When Achilles cries over Hector body, tears coming from eyes as well. How many mistakes did we do in our lives? In methaporical way... how many...We knew they were mistakes still we didn't have luck to meet someone as Priam to tell us that.
This is a perfect example how to get under someone's skin. Priam talked so well and so passionately that he convinced Achilles to give him Hector's body.
"You're still my enemy tonight, but even enemies can show respect." Damn that line gave me chills.
Gotta say this. Peter O’toole is one of the best actors of his generation. Absolutely amazing in every film he made but this one stands out for me cuz it was the first movie i saw him in, second was Lawrence of Arabia
It hits harder, way harder when you realized that when priam said "how many cousins have you killed? How many sons, and fathers and brothers and husband, how many brave Achilles?" He's not just asking him a question, he's also saying that he just killed all that pesonalities in one man. Hector, a father, a son, a cousin, a husband, and a brother.
Priam: even enemies can show respect.
I wish we still have that in this century
From the 62’ to 70 he appeared in Lawrence of Arabia, Beckett, The Lion in Winter, and Goodbye Mr. Chips. Probably the best 8 year run in cinema ever, and it was his first 8 years as a leading man. Bewildering. Possibly the best actor ever.
“I loved my boy from the moment he opened his eyes til the moment you closed them.” Such a beautiful line. Every young man and woman too should be so fortunate to have a father like Priam who loves them so deeply and fiercely
The facial expressions.... Honestly reminds me when I'm trying to coax my nephew into giving me the chocolate bar he stole from the cupboard lol
ഹോളിവുഡിലെ മങ്ങാട്ടച്ചനെയും മരക്കാരെയും കാണാനെത്തിയവർ ഉണ്ടോ?😂😂😂
1:51 you see Achilles become vulnerable at this point. It was one of my favorite parts in this scene.
Priam’s sensibility and compassion kept Achilles wondering : “Fk, old man! What next? Stop it already…” lol
I’m almost convinced that Priam’s last line made Achilles question his entire existence lol.
This was such a powerful scene.
Brad's always been a solid actor who can hold his own in almost any film but he must have been in awe to share this scene with an absolute legend.
Brad Pitt is obviously upstaged by the legend that is Peter OToole in this scene, but I think he deserves respect for his acting in this scene too, you can see the subtle change in his demeanor as the scene goes on as Achilles struggles to retain his macho attitude. Priams words have moved him deeply and he is struggling not to show the emotion.