I Got Scammed On A Cheap "Durable" BlackView Smartphone That Doesn't Work - Can I Fix It?
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- čas přidán 6. 05. 2022
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I guess it makes sense why it’s called the “black view,“ smart phone. A black view is all you’re going to get out of the thing.
r/technicallythetruth
Nice pun
Sheeesh
Lmao
Good pun
A little update: Apparently the dual IP rating a legitimate thing. It was pointed out to me that its likely for when the dust flaps are open and closed.
blackview lol
The 1 dólar Taco bell combo
@@gersonstanley01 e
The eBay seller because he pretended the phone as good condition.
For sure blackview.
I think the two IP ratings are something you get with these ruggedized phones. The phone gets the second higher IP rating when all the flaps and/or shutters are closed on the phone so I don't think the company should get faulted for that
Edit: Apparently it may also be in reference to two different tests performed on the phone which it both passed as IPx9 doesn't necessarily mean it is IPx8
Yeah, he was wrong. Great evidence!
Sony Phones do have two IP ratings too. IP65 and IP68.
@@bagasfabianmaulana Yeah Hugh Hadn't seen enough phones with 2 IP ratings.
@@bagasfabianmaulana yep was gonna say that
And even though IP 68 is pretty much the standard maximum of the rating system, __all, if not most IP ratings aren't the same.__ for example, some company could get IP 68 by pretty much just soaking it in the 1.5 meters or so, while another one could soak it deeper. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
I definitely have to give Blackview credit for not gluing down the components but instead using screws everywhere. That's something I honestly didn't expect!
Yes, it's one thing to glue a $10 device but should not be allowed with high price items. It's about as crappy as workmanship can get.
The glue in modern smartphones is what makes them waterproof. You can't make a waterproof seal without it. If a phone is going to market itself as "waterproof" and it isn't adhered together, that's quite literally a lie.
@@damienthonk1506 But you CAN in fact make a waterproof Seal WITHOUT using glue, you just need a gasket and contact pressure. See all the waterproof casings for various types of Equipment for example. Also, we have to specify what level of protection we need. Do we need IPx8 when say IPx5 would already suffice for the application of the device? I think that, while glue certainly makes this process easier and most likely also more reliable, screws and gaskets could very well be used in phones too to create a Seal against entry of water.
@@Xevailolike Hugh Jeffreys stated in the video, I sincerely don't know any phone that can be submerged in salt water, so blackview claims seemed to be legit to me. Everyone knows that salt water is corrosive, especially to sensible electronics and the rubber flap will wear out fastly if the phone is submerged under sea water for prolonged period. Rugged smartphones are not different from regular smartphones, they have their weakness too
It's worth getting an ultrasonic cleaner and demineralized water. Works great for water damaged devices
Restores the worst of boards, even worked at a dead motherboard of a phone that was water damaged years ago, definitely worth it to take off the build up of minerals on the powering parts of the motherboard and will allows a much higher chance to boot up again
Yeah, moist salt is probably shorting it out. Battery may be fried but it should be possible to get the device working again.
Is demineralized a fancy term for distilled, like .0 on a tds meter?
@@IsThisThingEvenOnOrWhat I had to search to find out, but the answer is no. The main difference is how they're made and distilled water is a bit purer. While they're interchangeable for some applications, for others they're not.
@@ManabiLT Thanks for sharing what you learned, homie! Now I'm really interested to go learn all about demineralized water. Hope it brings me down a good YT rabbit hole 😆
PLEASE do more rugged phone models like this! The construction is so interesting compared to modern flaship phones
flagships are not even waterprrof/dustproof...you cant even compare it in durability...
Flagships - you mean "non-repairable" ? :)
They're junk aimed at the weekend Navy SEALS who are happy to part with a lot of money to look like a hero.
@@divacroft1034 They are typically rated IP67 or IP68, so they are to a not insignificant degree.
@@xluumu ip67 is crap...blackview uses ip69K
It's a shame because a company that screws instead of glues deserves support IMHO. I'd like to see you review their products or likely I'll search it right after typing this and see a review from someone who specializes in phone reviews.
The problem with a lot of these durable phones is nobody actually really wants them at work I have a caterpillar branded durable phone and the thing is okay as far as usability but it has a plastic screen every single one I've seen is covered in scratches coins will scratch the screen it's quite a pain
@@sqike001ton that's cause cat doesn't make the phones, or any part of them. it's just random rebadged chinese generic junk. I've had a "rugged" cat branded dumbphone/feature phone here for repair a couple years back and it turned out to be identical to a generic rugged phone you could buy on aliexpress, except the version with the cat branding cost triple of the noname one lol
and for what? a cat logo on the back and below the display, a yellow menu button instead of a black one and a cat wallpaper and motor phone startup noise. that's it
@@Knaeckebrotsaege I know that's why I said cat branded phone
Plastic is obviously more drop resistant than glass, which can be quite the big deal when robustness is a goal. But then, even plastic can be made quite scratch resistant.
@@HappyBeezerStudios That's my point. Glass is harder than plastics but plastic is more ductile meaning it flexes before it breaks. There are different plastics and glasses that minimize the weaknesses of each material but in my honest opinion the old phones with the removable plastic backs were the best easy to fix things and they rarely broke, they just wear out like every phone does. My very first phone the LG Rumor 2 was an excellent example of this. That phone always worked and never got scratched badly. I still have it somewhere and I bet it still works.
BigClive owns one, and he did a "owner review" of it. Mainly used it for the FLIR camera, and was pretty happy with it.
"For parts" implies phone no longer works, not really a scam.
That’s what I was thinking too. I wouldn’t buy a phone that’s says for parts then expect it to work with a little cleaning.
For parts implies it has something salvageable, this thing was submerged in the briny deep and I wouldn't trust any of the components in here.
@@XeonProductions you could probably use the case and buttons if they were cleaned properly. And the battery seems fine so you could probably still use that.
tbh a rugged phone for parts implies that it got fucking vaporized before being put up for sale
@@The_hot_blue_fire_guy damn didn't know a used case and button's costs 50 bucks
The phone had been misused. The charging port cover is gone, making the phone not water resistant anymore, but the user still put it under water.
I think you should charge the phone for longer if you still have the phone, because the battery is just at 2.34 volt after charging. It was still under-charged to power on the phone after a few hours. Usually phones need at least about 3.4 volts to power on. Since this is a gigantic battery, you need to be more patient to charge it.
I have a very similar one, the charging port cover can just break off or fracture after barely two month use.
Blackview doing some damage control xD
@@tomam258 you know its serious when 吃那个冲挖塘 gets involved
@@lordshrek_ the translate on Google for what you wrote is hilarious.
'eating that punching pond'
@@sandiegoavgeek6 Why ya so fired on the country? Just because its a Chinese phone which has Been misused asf?
Well if it wasn't badly repaired before, this might've survived his bath in salt water. I currently have one of them (purchased brand new) and it's definitely solid. Very strong performer for the specs it offers, nevers throttles due to heat, only issues are some bugs mostly related to android 11 just being an absolute mess to begin with.
Of course, the marketing claims about the camera are just completely wrong, but that's what every phone manufacturers do.
This phone clearly has its seal not properly positioned, hence why it has been damaged by the water
I have one I've used since my CAT61 gave up the ghost (playing sound would result in instant power-down, and eventually stopped holding a charge) and the ruggedness is on par. I will definitely be slightly more cautious around water, but I wasn't planning on shooting underwater to begin with, just having something that can survive my careless disregard for expensive electronics. Glad to see a repair would be straightforward if needed, rather than hidden glue and proprietary screw heads.
I also have a BV 9800 which I bought year and a half ago. It falls into water all the time. Never had a leak.
Same. I have the exact same model, and it's been amazing. I'm a concrete mason by trade, and the sheer amount of abuse I've dealt this little beauty is tremendous. 2 years on, and it's pretty much mint.
Glad to see you share the fails alongside the success. Great video and learning experience and glad it didn't cost you anything!
I couldn't help but notice the "for parts" on the listing.
If you bought it thinking that it would work when the seller disclosed that it was not in working condition, I think you're the one who made the mistake.
(Could have worded better looking back on it)
No, water damage is something you need to state. Passing a phone off as possibly just having a non working battery when there is water damage is a scam.
@@pompshuffle562 I’d expect that for parts generally would tend to indicate that someone had a go at fixing it and decided it wasn’t worth fixing…
@@silaskuemmerle2505 it can be both. Sometimes a repair center might try to fix it and if they don’t think it’s worth it or if it isn’t possible then they will just sell it as salvage/parts. Other times repair companies can have leftover devices in storage that they use for parts themselves and sometimes they will just sell them as parts/salvage because they need space for newer products. In this case the only thing that they do is plug in a charger and sees if it turns on, if it does then they sell it as used or working untested, if it doesn’t turn on they sell it as salvage/parts even if it’s just a dead battery. And sometimes they don’t even test them and they just dump a lot of like 15 phones/game consoles/whatever on eBay or craigslist! If the listing said “for parts” or “salvage” then it ether means that the owner/company couldn’t fix it or didn’t want to. Or it means that they plugged a charger in for 5 minutes and if it didn’t turn on it was sold for parts/salvage!
Sometimes you can get lucky and the only thing wrong is a old battery. Other times you get a completely trashed device that will never work again. It is a mystery when you buy for parts items.
If you buy these things brand new they work brilliant, therefore that's how to buy one if you want it to work! This guy is unable to buy things correctly lol.
@@DailyCorvid you still need to disclose it's saltwater damaged, as corrosion will even prevent you from using it for parts.
Sorry to hear that you couldn't get this phone up and running again. I completely agree that it isn't worth buying new components if the device has been severely water damaged like that. Furthermore, the battery was a bit cooked - at under 2V original voltage level, there's no way that would be detected. Most phones and devices should have a protection circuit that stops the battery/cells from going below 2.5V per cell.
But thankfully, buying it from eBay means that you can open a return request for "item not as described".
When I first tested the battery is was at 3v which is still flat but would likely get the battery flat screen. But after leaving it attached to the phone it dropped to the 1v as I showed in the video. I ran out of time to wait for the battery to charge up enough to show that it does go higher.
@@HughJeffreys prob something is shorted
@@HughJeffreys May be the ICs and the chipset have to reball. There may have an internal short circuit. Bro, the short circuit may also cause by the display itself !
Hugh Jeffreys you’re a ducking asshole for leaving a bad review, the item was listed as FOR PARTS and NOT FUNCTIONING and you bitch because you couldn’t fix it? Fuck you
why writing a bad review to the seller? he clearly said selling for parts...you knew what you were getting but now you are regretting buying. that's unfair.
Love your videos Hugh! As for the dual IP certification, IP68 is resistant to water submersion, while IP69 is resistant to water jets. Phones can be tested and certified for both classes as far as I know, so that's likely what they're referring to in the features page.
thats waterproof not crap water resistant...
@@divacroft1034 nothing is ever “waterproof”! You can’t make a device that is 100% waterproof and that is why we call it water resistant. Because it’s resistant to water up to a specific depth and pressure not completely immune to water damage.
Hey mate,
Saw your video on the Blackview rugged phone..
In 2018-2021 I used this one for a solid 3 years and gave it an absolute hammering..
It was used in salt water pools, oceans, rivers, dropped from EWPs 🤣
I found it lived up to its hype..
the 4G speeds were on par.. wireless charging was pretty neat.. the thermal camera was like the FLIR dongle for iPhone.. and for the price it was pretty neat
although the camera tactics were a bit dodge on their website.. it really wasn’t the worst camera in the world and I find it better than the Motorola razr 2018
Just thought I’d let you know my experience
I have one and the only complaint I have is, this thing is non upgradeable.
As in you will never break it and it will always work. Bloody thing!! Lol.
I have the same experience I have a bv 9900 has a thermal camera that's great for work and been dropped and drenched in pulls and grease. phone still works great after 2 years.
@@sharp531 I use mine to kill large bitey insects from about 7ft across the room.
They can't get out the way quick enough when I bung it right towards the wall with them right in the way :D
That is a quality product, smartphone that doubles as a projectile weapon against wasps!
Blackview is a interesting company with a bunch of weird and interesting design choices like having a phone with a 720p laser projector in it.
Samsung tried that a few years back too. I kinda dig the idea.
And one with a FLIR thermal camera (80px X 80px resolution).
And a lot deceptive marketing, apparently. 😂
@@LoveStrangeDr To be fair, a lot of big companies got caught doing the same, so Blackview can't be singled out for that.
What they *can* be singled out for is the "tough smartphone" thing. It's just a phone with an integrated rubber case. That's not any better than just buying a case for any other phone with a decent IP rating.
Night vision phones
"The Joke Is On You" - Niki Watkins
Would've played out perfectly during the outro. Unfortunately CZcams copyright exists so you will have to use your imagination...
There are such type of people today it's a shame for these type of people who just scam people just for a bit of money
Man i love iCarly
*LIKE LIKE LIKE LIKE.*
You’re an asshole for leaving a bad review the item was listed as for parts or not working when you buy a for parts or not working listing you can’t complain that it’s not fixable
Hugh is the scammer !!!
The description says "for parts or not working" and you gave negative feedback because you couldn't make it work? Jeeeesus
It is not wise to power up a device that has WATER IN IT. for all you know that half amp is devoted to causing irreparable electrolitic corrosion.
At least heatgun the moisture out of it first.
Love the integrity that you put forth in your videos!
That moment when the very last music track in this video he used is the Techmoan outro one and was confused for a sec if I just made that up in my mind lol
These durable phones are quite interesting
Thanks for the look on the inside :)
I have to say, I like that you're trying to get these phones back up and running. I do that with cars, give them to someone who can really use it. Unfortunately, not all things are savable like this thing. Good try though and will continue to watch even if there isn't a happy ending.
the anticipation of seeing the screen boot up after it was put back together with Hugh saying "we see, we seee" was hilarious to say the least. got me cracking up like crazy.🤣🤣🤣
Big Fan here...
THANK YOU 🙏 HUGH JEFFREYS FOR ALL THE AWESOME VIDEOS!!! 👏🔥🥊
That's a real shame. Well done getting your money back. It's looks an awesome phone though. I love the construction and look of it. Seemed strange hearing the same music used by Techmoan at the end.
"So I've been asked to help out the 8-Bit Guy..."
Imagine tearing this down and making your own phone with it
@@boxman139'So', try not to start sentences with 'so'.
It's bad enough saying it (and to my shame, I do), but to write it down looks worse!
@@Green_House I was quoting someone else you fucking fruitcake
@@Green_House Do you really care enough that you actually need to call somebody out for such a minor mistake? lol
Devices have multiple IP ratings depending on what they were tested for. The chart you included showed this, as an IPX8 rating is for submersion but an IPX9K/5 rating is for water spray/high pressure. IP ratings don’t stack. Sony phones are often advertised with IPX5 and IPX8 for instance.
Your ebay listing said "for parts or not working". But you expected it to work. Would have been a nice bonus but to expect that is unreasonable. Those SMT components look like they have been messed with by someone who didn't really know what they were doing, using improper tools. I think someone already went at this board with a heat gun.
Smartphone companies: claims phones are water resistant
Also smartphone companies: doesn’t honor warranty for water damage.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I have had customers argue with me that their phones being water resistant means they're waterproof. They know how dumb people can be.
Because water resistant doesn’t mean it’s water proof. No water resistant phone is rated for submersion and not a single one of them can go near salt water.
When I was a phone tech for Telstra, I was able to argue to get warranty on several liquid damaged the Sony Xperia phones, as their website said it was waterproof with no asterixes or caveats. When they brought out the next version, it had the IP rating and caveats on the website.
@@ljessecusterl This isn't entirely their fault. Many big reviews literally call these phones waterproof
@@sterkriger2572 >no water resistant phone is rated for submersion
While you’re technically right, many modern phones, like apple and samsung’s flagship phones can usually handle submersion fine. but water resistance does wear off over time, so an old iphone 13 won’t have the same resistance as a new one
I use a 9900 pro. While it’s not perfect. I would much rather use it than give apple any money, and at half the cost. The thermal cam is an added bonus
don't go snorkelling :) My BV9900Pro lasted 15 minutes in "underwater mode". Now - a brick, with the insides looking like the one in this video. Takes 0.5A current, speaker makes "radio static" noise, screen black, no reaction to buttons or anything.
Blackview night vision phones is good yes their phones some times don't last long but it still better then iphones
@@ilia1350 I've had mine under water almost weekly during my 2 years of daily use. Definitely solid phones, just user error does destroy them and occasionally there QC is wonky.
I love how you never give up on anything. I think you’re like me, even when I see some phone is trashed I’m doing my best to try to save it. But to be honest once I revived iPhone 6s motherboard which was broken apart. So you never know 😂.
With lights on but nobody home 😂😂
Info: Blackview is owned by iGet which is Chinese brand, making phones for long time by what I remember
very interesting video cuz most of us have never heard of blackview. maybe you could have a followup video on a brand new version of the same phone to see if the "rugged" design choices are actually good for the phone's durability or if it was purely user error that caused all this water damage.
Well it is a for parts phone so don’t expect it to power on even after trying to fix it
I think you were scammed by the Seller, but of an inferior product. You never got to use the device new, and as consumers know, a lot of what we buy is made from dodgy materials held together with adhesive. Only a test on a new Blackview would reveal its functionality and operability.
But, high points for "Right to Repair"?
Such a great video. What is amazing is how so many people think they can lie and scamming is alright. Also many people are abusive to electronics and think they will keep functioning. Although Blackview is supposed to be a tough phone.
Thanks for the posting.
Love your videos and love the way you say data
This man really returns a for parts or not working device because it didn’t work
Pressing and holding the power button, we see, WE SEE!, nothing happens 😂😂
I have had an Oukitel WP5 for awhile and I really love this phone. Not looking forward to having to shop for a new one eventually. Only real flaw I've found is the speakers are on the back and get easily muffled. I use bluetooth all the time for my audio anyway. I got it just before the pandemic. Waterproof enough to go in the shower, and sometimes I'd just drop it into the left over bleach water from the dishes to sanitize it. Worked on T-Mobile and now on Verizon despite Verizon saying it wouldn't. I've dropped it from 8 feet (on accident) to concrete and dozens of other times with no cracks. I'm very rough on my tech just my personality and at $136 US this phone has been a blessing.
The two IP ratings are about submersion and about high pressure water jets, which are very different things.
as someone who has used the bv9500 plus model for 2 years i can vouch for it being a semi-decent phone.
despite the stock photo thing i only had beef with 3 things,
the camera autofocus got messed up when it got dropped for the first time (on a carpeted floor from the edge of a bed),
there is a watermark on your photos unless you disable it in the settings and there is an undissableable notification led.
got annoyed with the led and had to open the phone to break it but other than that it's been fine.
the battery has held up and so has the waterproofing.
If the LED is too bright, a piece of black tape can always be used. I did that on my mouse and monitors.
@@HappyBeezerStudios tried that but the tape always either peeled off from general usage after a few days or the light came through the tape
Thanks. This may be a great upgrade for me. I’m looking for a phone I don’t have to charge every day.
@@jo9732 that's the exact reason i got mine lmao
what liquid did you use for cleaning? and did you really use a brass brush to clean the battery connector? wouldnt that be a fun way to really create a short?
Hugh made a lot of mistakes on this one !!!
Awesome video good job
Was good to see another model of my phone's inside, I have the Blackview 9900 PRO and it is amazing doing everything I need and more
That battery does not have enough juice to power any phone on. The usual voltage range for a lithium battery is between about 3V and 4.2V. I think most phones will not power up with 2.3V. But with that said, I very much doubt if the battery is your only problem.
I wonder if Blackview phones will pass a JerryRigEverything durability test
Probably not 💀
Scratches at level 1 and snaps in half at level 3.
Having one. It will pass.
Nice 😁 What are you using for cleaning?
Way back I used to work with environmental testing for a major telecoms manufacturer, I wasn't working on mobiles but other kit. We decided the IP rating system (at the time early 2000s) didn't meet our goals and started using a US military spec for wind driven rain, that was way harsher.
If this phone was actually built with quality components and good software it could be a really good option. 6,5Ah battery which is in its own case/tray and screwed in with easy access? Hell yeah, I'm sure there's several construction companies that would love these as work phones....
the scam photo is enough to me to not trust them at all, there are other easy to disassemble phone produced by companies that market their phone properly
@@francescobrizi4940 most companies iirc (maybe not apple?) have gotten in trouble bc of that. Even ones like samsung though.
@@francescobrizi4940 Like what? The fairphone is Europe exclusive, I've seen one other repairable phone in the U.S and it only has 2 gigs of RAM. This is more of a viable option than those.
It literally says 'for parts' and describes the damage that you later pretended like you miraculously found. Wtf?
Right!!!! This dude making the video is the scammer. Talks crap on a seller for no reason.
Where on the listing does it say water damage?
@@pompshuffle562 In the description of the listing, which Hugh didn't show in this video
bought one of these for the battery life and the flir.
problem with waterproof things is once water gets in there, it stays. since there was moisture still inside it was likely a poor repair job and some overconfidence that did it in.
I have a blackview B9900 pro, I used it for a year until I bought a faster ,smaller rugged phone. I now use it at work for the infra red camera and it's been great for that.
Blackview are pretty well known in Europe, they don't make anything flagship grade, that I know of, but I know they make these "durable" phones. I want to point out you shouldn't make an opinion based on a second hand, damaged phone you bought on eBay, that's unfair. As for the stock images we all know that Blackview are not the first to do that. Then there's their prices and what they're made for, these are pretty cheap phones and many users find them to be well made for their purpose.
And the seller was also selling this phone for parts not as a working phone mentioned at 10:54
The issue is that there's literally no difference between buying one of these phones and just buying any other phone with a decent IP rating and finding a rubber case that can seal the USB port for it.
I believe you can make something even better by using a rubber case with a GFRP outer shell (To distribute the force of impacts throughout all the rubber)
Well I was the owner of BV9000 Pro for 5 years and it was the most durable phone I ever had. I literally used to drop it in front of my friends to show it's durability. Except for weight &camera (which according to specs I expected to be not that good) everything was very good quality for me.
To me it looks like what you ordered is simply used product.
I had a similar experience with the bv7000. Rugged, easily to swim in, in pools and fresh water. Always cleaned it with water (with the charging ports covered ofcourse). However the only downsides were the charging and headphone jack ports being too long. That had the effect of not being able to use normal usb C chargers and headphone jacks. Display was meh, speaker was meh, however it was worth the price for such a rugged beast. Eventually the battery died and I had it replaced by my dad and he had the phone for a year. Untill he cleaned it without the ports closed. That was the end of this cool phone. 7/10 overall experience.
Thank you for this video it's so hard to find any information about even a legitimate Blackview.
it's interesting to see the inside of these rugged phones, shame it was already beaten to death before you got ahold of it because it would be neat to see how a new one would cope with being opened (if it would stay rugged/waterproof/etc)
I have that phone and for the most part it is fine. The thing that is lacking a lot is a good software experience, but on the hardware part it is fine.
It's been mentioned already it seems, but yeah, multiple IP ratings can make sense, since not all of the water ratings are the same or are sequential.
The first number talks about solids, the ratings 1-6 describe how large of a solid item can get into the device, ranging from a hand being able to reach in at IP 0 or 1, to being dust tight at IP6.
The second number talks about liquids, namely water. The first few numbers, 1-4 refer from dripping water to splashing water, increasing in how much water and how many sides of the device are protected. 5-6 are related, but refer to higher pressure jets of water, probably ranging from a squirt bottle to a higher pressure hose. 7 and 8 are what most people have heard about: submersion resistance. 9 is more of a successor to 5 and 6, since it deals with high pressure *and* high temperature water jets.
And I'd be confident in saying that the tests are all done with fresh water, since salt and chlorine from oceans and pools can all vary in concentration.
I do a lot of servicing; "salt water eats through just about anything it is exposed", chances of recovery are very slim to none.
When the battery has that low voltage, I usually try to charge directly the cell from a charger module (e.g. Tp4056) and leave it for about a day while I watch the voltage and temperature.
I use Blackview smartphones for 6 years roughly.. first I had BV7000 Pro for 3 years lol even works flawlessly now. next I had BV9600 Pro for another 3 years and it works flawlessly too. Now I have BV8800 which I bought 2 weeks ago.. and I can say they can be used in an "extreme conditions" for at least 3 years..
I received a BV8800 a few weeks ago. It arrived about a month after I ordered it. It doesn't take the photos bragged about in the website and it weighs almost 400g. I sent it back after two days. Shipping back was not cheap . It's still on its journey back. If the camera performed as described I would've kept it. It felt like a tough phone that could handle some bashing
@@Basmatiminarii Agree, camera is not great, but it's more than enough for me, (taking pictures of texts and stuff) I had Samsung galaxy S20 plus which I destroyed in less than 1 year at work, I had Iphone 12 pro which I destroyed in less than 1 year. I use this phone at work, I drop it very often on the concrete, in the pond.. I often put it in metal shavings and dust which destroys normal phone speakers immediately. I want a phone which can handle all of that and Blackview is one of the best for me.. If i'll ever need a Cameraphone I'll just go and buy a Pixel. And don't expect good camera from "noname" chinese brand, especially from rugged phones. And ofc it arrived 1 month later it was shipped from China not from the US..
It looks more like a phone attracts water than a water proof phone, it doesn't seem very well engineered. Unfortunately not everything is repairable the important thing is that you enjoyed yourself and got your money back. Nice video as always.
It was very entertaining to see most of the inside had been flooded like a dam burst. It was strange that they decided that screwing plastic and metal pieces into place = waterproof
@@benb9151 Even worse are the fully open SIM and MicroSD card slots where nothing but the card tray stops water from getting directly onto the motherboard. This phone is as waterproof as any normal phone, sad they have to use false advertising with images 'shot by the phone itself' which are just stock photos and false 'waterproof' IP ratings, would love to see what the actual capacity of that battery is, I'd guess it's less than half the advertised capacity.
Wow 😒 all i will say is, please go check Jerryriggs everything
@@benb9151 That's what Scamsung and Crapple do too, though.
@@acumenium8157 it is not.
It's nice to see everything isn't successful. I had a lot of fails like those and feel like a looser. But watch someone tough like you failed, make me feel a bit less like a looser. 😄
Hugh! You gave me a heart attack with that screen scroll!
The battery was way too empty for it to turn on. You need roughly 3.4V or more for it to turn on, try manually charging the battery to full with an external power supply and then try to turn the phone on again.
That battery is a shot, its protection circuit clearly is faulty
@@user-kr8tp3ko8z You don't know that. You don't know whether the battery protection circuit is faulty or the battery itself is faulty. There are many BMS that refuse to charge a battery if it's too depleted. It's a dumb safety feature. This is why I recommended manually charging the battery, bypassing the BMS.
@@aleksandersats9577 I don't know that a working bms would let the battery to be at 1. Something volts. It should cut the circuit if it gets to 2.5-2.6 volts.
@@user-kr8tp3ko8z a BMS does a few things. Protects the battery from overcharging, protects the battery from overdischarging, over current protection, overheating protection. And probably some more. Now yes it does cut off the voltage at a certain range however not all BMS'es are the same. For a lot of BMS if the battery voltage falls way below the minimum, the BMS refuses to charge the battery to protect the end user from whatever which is really a stupid design because it creates more e-waste and 95% of the time the battery is just fine but the BMS will not charge it due to the way the BMS was designed.
If you wrapped your mercedes around a pole and then drove it into the ocean, would you blame mercedes or yourself?
I remember either up until the s4 or s5 they made rugged models of the phone. They were cool but probably were discontinued due to poor sales
to b fair to blackview. i got my child one of their phones, a 5800 pro if i remember correctly. hes 3, he uses it for games, youtube kids and drawing. browser and everything else is hidden, and theres no sim card in it.
Anyway, 6 months on, and the phone is still in remarkably pristine condition. we havent told him its waterproof (for many obvious reasons). i would at least expect it to fair well against spillages and stuff.
Not a bad phone honestly, a lot more rugged than i expected.
I think this video inadvertently gives the impression that these phones are scammy trash, but thats really not the case at all.
i think its also good practice to just not take your "waterproof" phone swimming. dont risk it. even an iphone or something. taking it into a pool is just tempting fate.
What's the liquid stuff you were using to clean the boards and peripherals? I've seen it a couple times before but I can't ever remember what it's called. :/
It can be possible to have different IP ratings based on type and time, i.e. certain timeframe under high temperature high pressure water jets and also a time/depth submersion in water; your device may survive a 1 meter/15 minute rating which has a higher # than high pressure water jets though the device may not survive any time with high temperature high pressure water jets. While this isn’t necessarily the case with phones it can be under some industrial devices; devices can also have different IP ratings based on door/panel closures like hardened laptops which will have a different IP rating with the ports open vs. when the port covers are in place. Typically manufacturers will rate devices against the water threat # they want though and won’t test other #s which can have different modalities of testing; just remember an IP rating of x7 doesn’t mean the device is capable of passing x(1-6), though in some cases it can it isnt tested time that criteria and should be assumed to be able to meat those standards.
Who would ever imagine that a $58 phone could have anything wrong with it?
Been using Blackview phones for the last couple of years. Cheap and work perfect. (I now own this 9800 Pro since almost a year). If I drop them they do not break like a Samsung or a Iphone. And if it breaks I buy another. Done videos with them underwater and low light photo's came out good enough. But keep the rubber covers in place underwater. There should be one on the charging port also. FLIR camera also works perfect.
I have actually had BlackView BV phones since 2015. They last a long time, and my current one (BV9500Pro) has survived diving in salt water, drops from 6 meters down onto concrete, etc. Had to swap the battery due to swelling after 3 months. Great phone now running Android 11 using Project Treble.
I don’t think it’s very fair of you to buy a phone for “parts only or not working” then return it because you can’t get it to work after you cleaned it.
People normally buy these phones when they need components, housings etc. you don’t know what does or doesn’t work after the water damage as you haven’t tested any of the parts apart from the battery that might of worked if it had more voltage.
Water damage phones can be fixed it your choice you don’t want to or can’t fix it but yet it listed for parts only not repair and it will be working.
I don’t see where you got scammed if anything you’ve scammed content/postage fees out of a eBay seller and left them a bad review which will effect what type of rated seller they are.
It really pisses me off that he returned it and left a bad review when it was literally listed as for parts or not working
0:25 the ad you show CLEARLY states "for parts" I really don't follow what you're trying to call a scam
He is a scammer. This video has really p#ssed me off. He's actually pathetic.
FIY the IP69K is a separate certification from the standard IP rating. This one is telling you the phone is actually capable of withstanding high pressure blasts of water, while IP68 only tells you about SUBMERGING the phone (no pressure involved).
You could actually wash the phone with a car washer lol.
Thank you, Hugh. This phone does not seem to be for high gentry. Worker, farmer, etc. They need some kind of ruggedness and waterproofing.
For the love of all that is holy, DO NOT attempt to power on a device with visible condensation in the camera lenses.
The condensation appeared after I left it to charge.
@@HughJeffreys Fair enough, especially as the device came to you with unknown issues. Just sends chills down my spine when a customer hands me a device with visible condensation and tells me, "well, I put it in rice for 45 minutes and then plugged it in."
What happens if you do?
@@krunal7433 You short out the motherboard.
@@Zerbey Thanks
I got scammed on purchasing something directly from Blackview a few years back...
It could have been worse, but it was something jokingly cheap. So, I couldn't be irritated, not like the Red Magic I bought, that was complete crap, but just relatively cheap.
I do like the general design of the phone. It has some thickness to it, doesn't go by the usual rounded corners block of glass, and is somewhat user serviceable with stuff being screwed instead of glued. A shame it is dead, would've been interesting to see how it actually runs.
It's actually great chassis for project phone as everythings held down with screws.
(Btw, by project, I mean DIY phone)
I'm surprised your return got accepted, opening something up and admitting it in the return reason would be an open and shut deny from ebay and the seller
Ugh. No. It wouldn’t. He opened the return as not as described and the return was accepted automatically. And eBay will not undo a return once it’s opened.
@@jamesbizs I'm a seller on ebay, you void your right to a return by opening something up and attempting to repair it, its in ebays return policy. Admitting to opening it up would be easy open and shut case for the seller, even if its an item not as described.
Some companies will use generic photos so long as the images were taken by a camera using the same imager (aka the picture sensor, most smaller phone companies will use generic imagers from companies like Sony). This isn't completely uncommon by Chinese phone companies as taking westernized photos legally can be somewhat pricey. However, I'm not entirely sure if this is what Blackview is doing.
Obviously not lol, stock photos are from 2018!
@@LoveStrangeDr Yes, but I wouldn't be surprised if the imager is that old or older judging by how this is a budget phone.
Had me worried for a bit, I just ordered one of these phones, but a new one. I've been looking at this or an Ulefone 11T to replace my Cat S61, and since that died yesterday I had to make a choice. After the problems with that, the Cat S62 was not really an option.
Do you want a beat to death and mostly dead S61 to tear down?
I had one of those phones. It's only waterproof if the permanently attached flaps over the earphone Jack and charging port, which seem to have been torn off on your copy, are closed. I had mine submerged many times without issues.
You buy a broken phone from eBay and say the brand is not good? 😑
You can't even know how it went through before 🤔
You didn’t get scammed, and what is a daughter board?
Hey hugh, i like your videos, and i see that activation lock sometimes causes you problems. Do you ever jailbreak the phones? You can get rid of activation lock using jailbreak and a software
good you returned it
maybe dotn show the listing that clearly shows "for parts" and then trying to say you got scammed. you bought a broken phone... it arrived broken. thats not a scam.
after watching this video the seller will probably re-list it as "professionally refurbished"
It was listed as for parts and not working. Him taking it apart like that should disqualify him from eBay buyer protection. And the seller could get his money back from eBay
I’ve got one. Had no bother with it at all and the FLIR camera built in is a great add on. Cost less for the phone with FLIR than a dedicated FLIR camera with the same resolution! Admittedly I haven’t been for a swim in the brine with it so that has probably helped it’s lifespan! Camera images are clear enough but not as vibrant/bit darker than I expected, easily sorted in software though.
I could be wrong, but did you forgot to connect the power and loudness flex cabel? (08:31)
U didn't get scammed. The ad said that the phone doesn't power on and only to be used for parts. It's kinda crappy to leave a negative review on a seller that didn't scam you and even sent a return label.
If it has water damage you state water damage. Water damage is very hard to repair compared to maybe the battery being gone. Clearly the seller knew what they had and not stating so is a scam.
Having to see a phone with a “Waterproof” badging dead in in the inside like this is bad😂
I've had a blackview for a couple of years now, I hammer phones pretty hard and live on a farm, I'm very happy with it, it's been stamped on by an irate trespasser, dropped on concrete, left in the rain and literally dropped it in a puddle on the beach yesterday and I'm posting with it now, keep the port covers closed, get a case and a screen protector and it's bombproof
I have this phone. A variation of it anyway. Ulefone Armor X5. Still works after three years. Not a single problem. Still waterproof too. Was meant to be a replacement till I can afford a premium phone but it just kept going single it never gave me a single problem.
Not even a minute in you are pissing and moaning about a ebay phone *Clearly Marked: FOR PARTS* ie: *junk*
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