2011 Toyota RAV4 vs Subaru Forester muddy mashup review
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- čas přidán 17. 05. 2011
- ( www.TFLcar.com ) The 2011 Toyota RAV4 and the 2011 Subaru Forester 2.5XT turbo both cost about 30K , both can seat five people and both can go off-road with their very capable all wheel drive set up. But which one of these two competing new crossover's is the better buy? That's the question we try to answer in this off-road mashup review.
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Best way to decide, I’m a mechanic and we see at least 3 subarus a week for blown stuff. Toyotas? Never. Just oil changes. I think I’ll buy the rav4
Yup amen there Toyota has a thoroughly proven track record. Plus that turbo 4 banger would be pricey to fix.
I rather pay weekly to fix the Subaru than drive a RAV4. Lol
@@michaelfletcher1224 hope you're made of money and down time
@@jackjack4412 pretty much lol… I drive a 5th gen 4Runner (Toyotas are great) and I bought my daughter a Forester. I just would never drive a RAV4… I’m sure they are reliable… just completely unlikeable. I was kind of joking of course about fixing a car daily but seriously Subaru’s are way more fun and the difference is quality isn’t dramatic in reality. Some Toyotas just have no soul and Rav4s are one of those models. They’re not poorly made they just suck in terms of enjoyment. Camrys, Prius, Rav4s… they are all devoid of any joy. They have no personality. Thats why they suck.
@@michaelfletcher1224hard to believe that a grown Man can say that......that's just ridiculous
It is 2020 now. Rav4 still looks great. V6 zips up mountain passes. Wide door top to bottom loads big stuff. Holds full size wheel. Saved us in rear end collision at stop light on highway. 4 speed transmission no problem with V6 - reliable.
it’s a 5 speed with the V6 models :)
Idk why everyone hates on Rav4 looks, I think it's quite an attractive little SUV that has aged well, especially the sport trim. Especially compared to the horrendously ugly Rav4 yota makes now
I agree.
They have that idiotic reverse opening rear door. I wouldn't buy it for that reason alone.
I agree 100% the new Toyota RAV4 is a female version of this legendary muscle truck and I hate the newer version as well
randomocityvideos exactly, the new Rav4s are so basic and they don’t stand out. Same with the forester in this video it also looks so basic the tire in the back was unique and gave a nice Jeep look
@@OMGWTFLOLSMH I have one and honestly it's the only reason why I don't like it. But hey it was cheap and for good gas mileage and I can fit all of my audio equipment in it so I guess I can't complain.
The rav4 looks attractive I don’t know what he’s talking about. many modern suvs they all look the same. The rav4 had personality. the Subaru and newer rav4s all look the same and like every other crossover
Really!👍
I AGREE !!!
More companies industry wide are designing their vehicles with AI programed for optimal aerodynamics and the result are these are the boring homogeneous crossovers. It’s sad.
Glad we could help and thanks for the kind words and watching.
Damn! Guess I’d better try and drive the Forester. I have an 07 RAV4 Limited V6, and it absolutely rips on the streets!
These guys r supprisingly not annoying as car reviewers. Keep up the good work guys
This is my favourite TFL video. Both the Forester and the RAV4 are good cars. My favourite car of all time is my dads 1999 Subaru forester 2,0 manual with low gear. Really fun to drive.
Great video guys! After car shopping for about 3 months I finally narrowed it down to these two vehicles and this video really helped me with pros and cons of each one. Thanks!
this is a very good review and comparison of both cars. came here because my dad is giving me his 2010 Forester soon, looking forward to it!
My dad gave me his 2011 Forester a couple years ago, probably around the time of your comment. My first car. We got it new in 2011 when I was a kid. Very special car to me. Unfortunately, it was burning oil like crazy, among other problems, and began to have overheating issues; engine was definitely going to blow soon. We sold it less than a month ago and I got a 2009 RAV4.
I LOVE my 11 Rav 4WD Limited with the V6.
It has low pampered mileage.
I use Mobile 1 full synthetic oil and change it every 4K miles. The transmission and the rear differential fluid and grease is changed every 30K miles.
The heated leather interior still looks new.
It’s always garaged. My Rav looks showroom new inside and out.
It’s Gold / Tan metallic with Ivory leather interior and burgundy metallic pinstripes.
I added a K&N intake and a quiet Flowmaster 3” exhaust system.
Before those 2 modifications I was getting 24-25 mpg on the highway and now I’m getting 26-27 , sometimes 28.
It’s a lot quicker, has more horsepower and torque than before.
It looks like a “Sleeper”, but it hauls ass when needed
We bought our 2010 Rav4 Limited 4 cylinder AWD +options back in March, 2010 for $27k +tax. It's still a great car and it looks like the new 2013 has addressed many of the pre 2013 issues, such as a proper lift gate, better mpg, 6 speed a/t, modernized interior, and lighter weight. We'll be checking it out in a few years when it's time to trade in the 2010.
Thanks for this vid.
One thing you guys never mention about the rav4 is that it comes with a locking center diff. Which I think would be pretty important in comparisons like this considering none of the competing cars do.
It needs it tho. Subaru is superior in mud and snow/ice. Their symmetrical awd system is no joke.
And Subarus have a permanently locked center dif
Well you have two old guys doing reviews on this suv? That doesn’t really know what there doing! You need mechanics professional to do this kind if reviews. Not some guys like this that looks like just came from care home lol.
The Nissan Rogue had a 4x4 lock feature.
It's 2021 and I just purchased a 2010 Rav4 4cyl with 100K miles. I seriously considered a Forester, having owned a 2006 Outback for 10 years and 100,000 miles I was tired of fighting oil leaks from the head gaskets and valve cover gaskets of the boxer and having to lift the engine to replace spark plugs. Every Forester I looked at in the 80K mile range gushed oil. The Toyota 4 is dry as a bone and runs as smooth as it did when it came from the factory.
man, you are doing the engine rebuild once and it's still good as brand new Subaru for next 80k-100k. that's the biggest benefit of owning used Subaru with EJ engine. every weak part is known and easy to fix. just a big Lego Technic set for man.
Here it is almost 2018 and the 2011 Rav 4 still looks contemporary with Escapes, CRVs, Volvo 65, BMW, 2018 VW Tiguan except today's SUVs lack the accessible Hummer-like full wheel on the back.
While I like the spare on the door it seems the rest of buyers didn't
Yes, I totally agree with you. I truly believe that an SUV is an "SUV" if theres a spare tyre at the back!
I don’t understand the love it or hate it on the looks of the 2006-2012 Toyota RAV4. Yes, I own a 2009 RAV4 and I think this look has aged really well. Yes, the new one’s have the updated safety features but they can’t beat the looks of the 2006-2012. Love the the spare tire hanging on the back door.
Love my RAV4. Driven through 45 states with it. I have the 2007 four banger. I think the V6 option was there from the beginning though.
rav4 v6 is quick and doesn't need premium unleaded fuel. 5 speed auto is smooth and effortless. when it hit's 4,000 revs it turns into a Beast on Roids.
John Smith Agreed, if you can get it to 4000 rpms before getting pulled over and ticketed! It’s not a monster off the line, but from a roll, look out! It’ll embarrass other vehicles you wouldn’t expect it to whoop.
Good review but you guys need to use a word other than "quirk" to describe the differences in cars. Quirk has a negative connotation as in "hang up" or "peculiar oddity" or "foible." Why don't you say "advantage" rather than "quirk" when you are describing a car's comparative benefits?
Ronald Jensen I just thought they were talking about the star trek character
Ever heard of Doug DeMuro? He makes a living out of quirks!!
I noticed that in a lot of the 'random car vs subaru' comparisons, the subaru generally wins because it's more fun to drive and it's extremely capable. I don't think you'd be bored driving a subaru, which is something you can't say about most vehicles.
change your head gaskets and get back to me
@@jgallant9275 we've all been lied to about Subaru. Love my 06 Forester
I really liked the review. Honest and real. This will help me sell more Subies! Now the 2012 model boasts a timing chain, and an oil filter on TOP of the motor.
Nice review! Since the forest 2014 and Rav 4 2013 have been redesigned and are different from their previous models, would you guy have a mashup review for them again soon? Many thanks!
We have a Toyota RAV4 with a tire on the back there was a bad snow storm and we made it through all the other cars were stuck
The Subies were crusin along with you and some
I prefer a N/A motor over turbo any day, in these types of vehicles anyways. For everyday driving, occasional snow, and very light duty off roading, the V6 RAV4 is awesome. Very quick/powerful, cheap, practical, above average fuel economy for a V6, and very reliable. The RAV4 just makes sense for me and my needs. Highly recommend if you can find a good one used. Toyota needs to bring back the V6 in the RAV4!
u 2 need to find a road for awd. this road my 2wdr can go with zero problem.
I had the 1st, 2 door RAV4 years ago. It lasted until my boyfriend got rearended in it at the beach. I miss it. The new ones are too big for me. Thanks for the review!
Rav4 was the best selling cuv last year so a lot of people like it and it is getting redesign so next year it should sell even more. Btw if they don't like the transmission in the Subaru they should have got a manual.
Serious question, r u guys gonna do a 2013 RAV4 vs. 2013 forester video? Really need some advice on this. If you guys do have the plan, would you put some more emphasis on performance in snowy condition? which AWD system is better sort of thing~
Can't wait to see a new mash up video with the new redesigns. :)
@tinhinnh You're right, however the only difference in suspension is the front struts. The sway bars, links, and rear struts are identical in the Limited and Sport versions. You can check out the OEM parts list online.
Engine is fast and the car is powerful! Maybe the other way around.
I thought the same thing
What were the issues? I have the same engine in my '07 RAV. Thanks
I agree that CUV's are largely pointless. I think a lot of people like the seating position.
Aside from that, I think the RAV4 V6 AWD makes a very compelling argument. Power, weight, storage space, comfort, and mileage, are all top of the price class. I haven't yet driven it myself, I have ridden in it. C&D says the handling is pretty good. Throw on a few mods and you'll be good to go.
259hp for the Rav4,
224hp for the Forester.
Both impressive stats, but how much torque do each engine deliver?
I do find the Forester to be better looking than the Rav4, and with the boxer engine mounted the way it is, makes better sense, particularly for 4wd, since the engine and driveshaft are aligned with each other in a symmetrical design.
I'm not against honest. In fact, I'm all for form follows function.
Brilliant show, hosts are excellent.
Cool! Thanks again! I will call the hotline mentioned in the article. Thanks for taking the time to tell me about that. Massive amounts of good karma to you and yours!
which 1 of these is good for towing in a desert with a 2litre diesel engine?
Drove a Rav4, Honda CR-v and Subaru Forester when comparing vehicles and went with the Rav4. Traction control on the Rav is a PIA when you want to throttle it up in the winter $ if you disengage it you're FWD only. Subie had a sportier cockpit but was small and the Subie is not near as roomy as the RAV for passengers. CRVs seats don't fold flat and it only had a 4 cyl engine but was nice overall. Subie dealer wouldn't let me drive the turbo unless we did purchase #'s 1st. 26MPG avg for RAV
I just got my first car. 2006 Subaru Forester 2.5X. I can't wait for winter since I know I can always get home safely.
Great post, saved me the time to tell boberson that anyone who thinks a minivan or wagon is cooler than, well, just about anything, has no business commenting on anything automotive, except perhaps, which fabric pattern was more attractive in the Gremlin
But, you failed to tell everyone about Toyota stakes in Subaru. Also, how can you simply just come out and say that Subaru is better? It's called personal preference and your opinions do not speak for everyone else. I like both. Which did I buy? RAV4. It works better for ME. I also like the quieter engine sound in the Toyota vs the Subaru. Again, personal preference. In this video, all you did was drive them and base your opinions on what You like. It makes the world go round and round ;-)
Por que siempre los mejores videos estan en ingles y en español cuando?
@Twixx32 I said the same thing until I drove the forester. I drove about 6 'crossovers' and it was the best overall choice. Turbo forester is a blast to drive. When I'm on cottage side roads, driving on the highway, city driving I don't even realize that it has 4 gears. But, do what you need to so you feel good about your next purchase.
@814gt I bought a 2007 Mitsubishi Outlander.It's a 2.0 TDI from Audi,Ralliart version with over 180hp and 400Nm of torque.It has complete sport package with sport suspension,19" wheels and other stuff.It's very nice to drive,very powerful.I mean could you believe i outran a 2002 V6 Porsche Cayenne on the highway?While offering this great performance,it does combined 42 mpg!I think that's amazing. It has all the options and gadgets i need and it has decent off-road capabilities.i'm very satisfied
I like that Toyota kept the older look with this gen and the tire in the back. And nothing wrong with 4speed automatics, tried and true.
I happen to drive a 2007 Honda Odyssey EX-L w/Nav & DVD, my dad's van, and compared to a typical 3 row crossover it, it's roomy and comfortable. Because I'm the choir leader in my church, I have to haul 7 choir members of them to the practice every other weekend. The ages of these members are between 10 and 17.
I like the way the rav4 looks better. I also like the side swing rear gate because I have a low roof carport under my house. I wouldn't buy either car if my main concern was performance or acceleration. Kinda weird for perfomance and looks to be such deciding factors when they both are kinda potato. Would have been better to see an off road comparison and see how many pieces of luggage fit in the back including the rav4 subtrunk. Other notable comparisons to make would have been stereo and power outlets. But you got 1.2 million views so I guess it doesn't matter.
All i really got from this video was an over use of the word QUIRK.
Quirky quirks
The RAV4 "Sport" is an option package which adds a spoiler and a red badge and bigger wheels. Not really performance upgrades but could possible make the car feel more fun to drive.
I don't think they know what quirk means.
pikehk captain .. quirk .. you know .. starship enterprise ! . 😉😉😉
Maybe they meant PERK
they dont know a lot imo
I've been told Rav4s are pretty cramped, but CUV's arent very rigid, you would need to add a truck frame, tough suspension, skid plates, low range, lockers, and better tires for offroad and towing ability, and in the end you end up getting only 13-17 mpg, even with a v6, which is what 2 door v6 wranglers get. Honestly, it's a good car for a crossover, but large sedans probably get the same storage, better comfort, same handling, and better mpg, although I do admire your respectful input.
If you get the Sport version RAV4 it is a lot more fun and the steering is more direct. They may have thought about that before the test,. I have a 2008 RAV4 Sport FWD and get over 28mpg on the highway and with the K&N it definitely is fun . My last car was an M3 so I never thought I would like anything like this but the RAV 4 puts a smile on my face every time I drive it. Drove from Dallas to LA and back then this year to Daytona for the 24 hour race and the journeys were smooth, cheap and fun
What about reliability?I would think thats a good thing to consider. I love the Forester But I have heard bad things about reliability both from my mechanic(he had 6 in the shop when I spoke to him)and online research.Head gasket and timing chain.My mechanic told me to go find a Rav 4
Get a new mechanic lol. He doesn't even know what he's talking about on head gaskets. They changed the heads since late 90s and early 2000s 2.5s.
@@mattyee9369 not so - had to have the head gaskets replaced on my 2009 outback sport at 163k
The head gasket issues were prevalent in the EJ series from 1998 through the late 2000s, they updated the engine design and it reduced the issues but didn't eliminate them entirely from say 2004-2010. Around 2011 Subaru phased out the EJ series engine for the FB series, which eliminated the head gasket issues. the FB engines have their own downfalls (burning oil in particular), but so far they seem to have shown to be fairly reliable.
I know this is an old video but where is this road? It looks so familiar but I can't place it. I know it's in Colorado
@markhenderson123
Remember, I also said "groan" when I mentioned CVT because they tend to have flaws like you experienced with the Legacy. If I want the Legacy, I'll consider the one with the flat-6 engine with a 5 speed auto. Thanks for the info.
Why they rated a 2011s instead of the 2012s which would be a good to compare
The Subaru has a 4 speed because if you can't drive manual you don't deserve to have as much fun.
sadly there is no option to buy it as a manual
Simon G yes there is where did you get that from? It is literally on their website i can even give you a link
where are you from? they dont sell them manual everywhere. the 2015 xt only comes with a cvt
Simon G I'm talking about the forester the base model has a 6 speed manual www.subaru.ca/WebPage.aspx?WebSiteID=282&WebPageID=19201&Range=Forester&ModelYear=2015&CarID=772 here is a link go all the way to the bottom and the base model Subaru comes standard with a six speed manual here is another link which is easier www.edmunds.com/subaru/forester/2015/?tab-id=specs-tab&style=200689820
the one in the vid is an xt fk the base model
Thanks Bro! I'll definitely do that. I was very surprised and disappointed, because I know lots of people who have 200,000-300,000 miles on camrys, tacomas, tercels, etc.with little or no problems. They used too be the best cars you could buy!
What's the difference of 4 speed and 6 speed driving ?
at around 1:10, I was convinced. Thank you for going half airborn for me.
I still have my 2008 (brought it in 2008 brand new) rav4 limited v6 as backup car. Over the years, I changed multiple cars, but rav4 has always been the car I kept. And most likely I will keep it by the time I replace my 2024 BMX X7😆
Hey Romanmicagearguy! I was wondering where the dirt roads you tested these two vehicles are? Is it near Boulder like you said in the video? If so, where in Boulder?
Not sure if you guys know what "quirk" means, but otherwise, great video! I enjoy watching all your stuff.
Right. They're just Doug Demuro fans 😆
I have a Forester, and the 4 speed really isn't noticeable for someone like me who uses the car to drive to work and occasional long distances. I'm so glad I went with it instead of the RAV4; the Forester got me through the Chicago blizzard in February no problem, and I saw 2 RAV4s abandoned on the main road. :P
What area of Colorado. I just took a rav4 to silver falls trail head and a little farther.
I love the bits of music in this video and in your forester raw and unleashed video, how can we find out what the name of the music and artist are and purchase it?
What's with the overuse of the word "quirk"?
It appears they don't actually know the definition of 'Quirk' either
HAHA. I was just about to say the same thing...
Chris Goodall iii
@814gt Well you certainly get your money's worth with only four gears. Each gear gets used a lot more ;-)
In case anyone watching this is going to test drive one of the forester xt automatic models from this time period... switch it into the manual-matic mode or at least “sport” automatic mode and it’ll feel like a different car. I only leave it in regular mode when I’m trying to drink coffee in traffic
Good review! Nevertheless I'm waiting to see the new model of forester and Rav4.
the 2006-present Toyota RAV4 is assembled in
Tahara, Aichi, Japan
Obu, Aichi, Japan
Woodstock, Ontario, Canada (from November 2008)
Tianjin, China
So wich is good for ur mind? i wanna buy rav 4 of 2007 y.
@814gt Still 4 spd sounds outdated. An extra gear could come handy on the highway
Hey can someone tell how to get the, "MaReg" or whatever light to turn off??? They say it means it's due for a oil change but it not due one. Guess Walmart forgot to reset it.
Sometimes you need a special tool to do it and probably they didn't have it, I had a bimmer and they told me that so I went to jiffy lube, sometimes is better to go to the dealer
This is such a funny review!! I like it.
How does the 5 speed in the Toyota last vs the cvt in the forrester?
this typically forester doesn't have a cvt, it's a 4 speed automatic
y donde estan las pruebas ???
Sure wish toyota would put the v6 back in rav4. I'd buy one immediately.
I have a Sienna with a V6 setup and honestly, all that power means shit if you can't put it down. And even though it says 260hp, it feels like 120hp given all the weight.
i liked these guys review.
@NathanDAdlen 3.6R Outback - is a V6. Not sure why you think there is no V6
Theres a 5sp manual for the forester yeah? If have the dough, the thing to do is swap in all the sti stuff to make it a sti forester! And mod that too, along with built block. If have the 💰
@NathanDAdlen LOL I often would correct people when referring to a Van Dyke as a goatee. Somewhere along the way I gave up. I'm actually glad you corrected me for I, too, have a Van Dyke.
@chewsir
ugh, it has a "Sport-ier" suspension.
Ok so I have a 2010 V4 4WD RAV4... How do yall think it would do off road...?
I have an 2007 rav4 4wd with the Inline 4 (there is no v4 for this just so u know) I take it offroad sometimes and it's great never been a problem
+Hannah Tex if you can drive at all it will be fine
good, thanks for the help
Where is this exactly?
So was the Subaru forester a automatic or stick
Why would you want an 8 speed transmission. They are expensive and complicated. I have a v6 AWD RAV4 and it is fast and great on snow.
Are you still driving it?
The turbo forester does not come with a 4 speed auto trans. It comes with a 5 speed auto or a 5 speed manual.
So is a "quirk" a good thing or a bad thing?
I wish you had the Sport V6 trim on the Rav4 - there are virtually no reviews specifically with Rav4 Sport.
i love both brands...but i just purchased my 3rd Subie....Outback. Wife drives Camry...will retire at 55.
If you presented your review more in terms of 'Why you would/wouldn't buy car X" they would be better. Other than this, some very solid reviews. Particular enjoyable because they are different than the others I typically watch.
We started to buy a RAV4, but the Toyota dealer messed all of the paperwork up, and tried to cheat us of an $8,000 difference! After three hours at the Toyota dealer we just left because it really wasn't worth the wait or aggravation. So we went and tried a Forester out and loved it, so we bought it. and I'm really glad we did because it is amazing in the worst of road conditions. Which I assume the RAV4 is too, but I'm really impressed with it
Vvti had a major oil leak, the valves tick like a timex, and the trans is starting to slip. The car only has about 80,000 miles on it.
is the subaru not available with a manual transmission?
@814gt Subaru makes no V6. Never have. They use a horizontally opposed - boxer - 6-cylinder (H6) which is a completely different engine.
Forester could be my next suv, love turbocharge and awd..it wont be as good as my evo x, but maybe close. love handling vehicles..
Anyone know where that muddy road is in CO?
Why? How do you say that?
cvt (continuously variable transmission) is how they fixed that with my outback, no gears, no jerks very smooth...