56 years later we still have no rotating space station with elevator shafts and 50 people, hopefully SpaceX and Blue Origin will make these ideas viable in near future. It was nice to hear Von Braun's voice.
Ellon musk is too busy using investors money building flamethrowers and indebting the USA, but once the CSA and the B plan are implemented and Alta gets Arnold as its first president all this will change hahahahahahaha
No, they won't make these ideas "viable" in near future! Who will pay all this shit...? Please, come down to earth..., you naive dreamer! As a German, I admire Wernher von Braun a lot! But I know very well that his visions were far ahead of time..., and today these visions are still ahead of time. Today in October 2018, there isn't even a possibility to get to the ISS, after the failing Soyuz rocket, which didn't make it to the orbit. Today there's no spaceshuttle program anymore, there's still no "Orion" in sight..., today there's not even a functioning Russian Soyuz-Taxi to the ISS. But people like you are still dreaming of huge space stations in "near future".... Hahaha!!! Stop watching sci-fi-movies and don't taking it for "reality"... you little boy!
@@user-jf8gd3lv7q There's no Orion, Space Shuttle or Soyuz,, there will be however the Boeing's Starliner and SpaceX's Dragon 2 in just a few months. And SpaceX is already testing parts for their BFR with first in-atmosphere hop tests beginning in a year or two. BFR when completed will rival Saturn V in it's raw power while being orders of magnitude cheaper even if not reusable.
The reason to build a space station, ist to make experiments with microgravity, so it make no sense to have a space station with artificial gravity now. Until we go to other planets...
That man was a genius--and probably envisioned the entire Space Program. I know he created the greatest rocket ever built (the Saturn V). I am grateful Disney filmed these clips to immortalize his vision. What makes him astounding to me is that he was a well-rounded individual, having a happy family (his daughter made a documentary about how he was a kind and involved husband and father), had many actual friends with whom they went waterskiing, boating, etc, and was deeply spiritual (although not a church attender). What a gift to America that man was.
@@harrycrabb4357People often blame him for the terrible things the V-2 did during the war, but I find it to be very unfair. Besides designing the A-4 rocket (same thing, but different name and not a weapon), he did it all unwillingly. He was forced to join the Nazi Party and direct the program. What was he going to do, leave? Like with most things, we criticize others for the same things we would’ve done in their shoes.
@@darthrevan2961Yeah you can’t blame someone for fighting for their own country, and those that just did that weren’t charged for that. Otherwise everyone on the allied side and everyone of those arms manufacturers would be just as guilty
@@Icetea-2000 It's not about fighting for your country, a war crime is a war crime. The common problem with von Braun is his role in the creation of the V2 that killed thousands of Londoners and many more thousands of Jews through slave labor. However, Germany's scientific minds like von Braun knew how terrible the Nazi Party was and never would've built anything for them without being forced to. If he hadn't joined them to save his own life, somebody else would've been forced to do the work and the same people would've died, all while we would've lost one of the greatest pioneers of space travel and one of the greatest minds of the 20th Century.
@@thd544 Yes you do, by 1944 there was no invasion more to speak of. Someone that didn’t participate in anything else but joined the Wehrmacht to defend his home was not a criminal, that should be obvious, I don’t know why this is now something that is questioned, it would be the same with every country. Do you also say that France wasn’t on the defense in 1940 because they declared war on Germany? That’s right, France and Britain declared war on germany, not the other way around. And sure enough, the laws agreed, no one was punished at any postwar trials just for fighting for their country, but specifically those that committed war crimes. The point is, this is not an argument to make, fighting for your country can never be considered an international crime, and it sure enough wasn’t, so your point is non-existent Besides, Werner von Braun didn’t even fight in it, he had POW labor work for him that were given to him under the orders of military commanders, PLUS POW labor is hardly anything new, ALL ALLIES employed that. So if you consider that a war crime, buddy, then everyone in WW2 was a war criminal
He slightly under estimated the escape velocity because he was thinking about a very low Earth orbit. But he had an amazingly detailed view way ahead of time. Even predicting it's importance for weather forecasts and telecommunications. 1956 was before all that stuff happened..
I didn't notice any mathematical "blue notes". In this film clip Dr. von Braun gives the orbital speed as 16,000 miles per hour and the orbital period around the Earth as 2 hours, which is consistent for a first-order approximation. This implies an orbital altitude of approximately 1057 statute miles above the Earth's surface. In contrast, the International Space Station currently orbits between 207 and 270 statute miles above the surface with a period of slightly more than 92 minutes.
@@bajocontinuo3 or mine it off the Moon. In fact, mining water from the cryogenic lunar polar craters will be a source for LH2 (fuel) and LOX (oxidizer). Those resources will be shipped to filling stations at LEO and *_that_* will open up the solar system..
@@bajocontinuo3 - long term, the cryogenic lunar polar craters will be minded by telepresence robots especially designed to operate at cryogenic temperatures. Electric power for them will be from batteries. The habitats for the miners will be in the nearby peaks en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peak_of_eternal_light. There will probably be transmission lines between the various peaks because not all of them are in their rare dark at the same time. And with the lower lunar gravity, towers can be quite high. Mining lunar uranium or thorium for breeder reactors will not be easy but - hopefully - not impossible. Once there is infrastructure to produce LH2 (fuel) and LOX (oxidizer) from lunar water, then asteroids and comets can be mined for all kinds of things.
@@bajocontinuo3 - another thing the moon miners will produce is structural materials - iron, aluminum, titanium The most common elements in moon rocks are oxygen and silicon. BTW some moon rocks have calcium which is an excellent conductor but it will have to be sheathed in iron because it is so soft. And calcium will rip the hydrogen out of water so using it inside the habitats will be very regulated. sites.wustl.edu/meteoritesite/items/the-chemical-composition-of-lunar-soil/ The moon miners will export things to build solar power satellites for Earth - that should be a real money maker.
@@bajocontinuo3 no, it was the Concept for the Film it is also mention in the making off 2001 space odyssey and the consept and first draft of a Rotating wheel space station its from von Braun. But the first Idea of a space Station came from Konstantin Eduardowitsch Ziolkowski and his book.
It's my understanding that Dr. Von Braun was inspired mainly by just one book that he read when he was a youngster, a fictional story of people going to the Moon. He certainly had a lot of vision. Too bad the rotating wheel station never materialized. Such a craft would sure make it better, healthier, for long term space workers and others. For instance, building, running, maintaining an in-space rocket fuel factory, or other manufacturing, without being harmed from long term absence of gravity effect..
If the fuel is methane, then you only need CO2, H20, a Nickel catalyst, energy (solar) and the sabatier process. Use electricity to split the water into oxygen and hydrogen, keep the oxygen as your oxidiser. Then use sabatier with the C02 and Hydrogen to make methane (rocket fuel) and more oxygen. So the raw materials would be C02 and Water, which you would have to source from somewhere. an asteroid of the right composition would be fine, as they are often grubby snowballs made of water, co2, methane, ammonia and other fun things.
In reality its actually very easy for Humans to harvest the necessary resources needed to make rocket fuel in space. bergasm pretty much explained it correctly if said fuel was methane. It just takes the desire to create the necessary technology needed to reach said fuel sources. If there is a market or a desire for it. Humanity is quite capable of getting its goal terrifyingly fast. You can see that right now with the SpaceX program which is launching rockets practically every other month now with the added ability of launching the same rockets several times before discarding or changing to a newer version each modification and update creating a more improved practical inexspensive rocket. Something NASA has had trouble with for years with. Now as for harvesting not just for Methene. We already have several locations for potential harvesting sites. We know the Moon has some water sources, and likely has all the avaliable items needed from asteroids on or under its surface due to billions of years of rock bombardment so we can use that as a launching point with it being used as a mining site and its items either being created on the surface or on a orbiting station. From that point its on the way to harvesting purer sources as actual space going rockets are created to explore past Mars. You can have space going rocket fuel factories and its likely more cost effective acting as likely both factory and fueling especially if they get the needed materials. Given that its also space you can technically have mobile fuel factories that can act as gas stations for ships on the way to mine or explore the eventual moons of Mars and the Asteroid Belt so long as they have the ability to create fuel well getting to location which should be easy if the Moon has the resources already . As for actual mining. We already have the tools. Any mundane drilling or extraction equipment on Earth given some modifications or redesigns (specifically in the engine requirements) should be more than capable of doing work in a gravity well that is much weaker, launching material from rocks, the Moon, the Martian moons or Mars itself would be easier as well as the lack of gravity means less resources use in launching space craft thereby saving fuel. Again this comes down to desire and need. Humanity needs a reason. Give Humanity a reason and you can see us be a space going civilization in your lifetime. .
Von Braun was talking about an Earth-orbiting station, hence my confusion as to where materials would come from. As for "grubby snowballs," Whipple's notion from the 1950s hasn't panned out in numerous close-up missions, like Rosetta to 67P. Resources for fuel exist, but it won't be as easy as the early space visionaries imagined.
The reason why Von Braun's space wheel wasn't built was that, in 1958, the Van Allen radiation belts were discovered. The space wheel was supposed to be in an orbit 1,000 miles above the earth. That would put it 'smack dab' in the middle of the dangerous radiation.
Indeed. He even predicted an elon that will be the Mars leader in his book "Mars project". Have you hear Elon name before Elon? It's called programming.
No, add a second wheel rotating in the opposite direction with an opposing shaft so the stations rotation doesnt cause it to start twisting around the centervas it spins.
@@murphylegion bible was written by man not god, 2000 years ago, the word "firmament" meant the sky not some magical invisible "dome" around earth, the human understanding of astronomy was then too low to understand the universe. Earth is a globe, that is a fact proven thousands of times through cereful observations and experiments. That is the truth.
Es increible poder escucharlo hablar... Gracias a el pudimos ir ala luna, yo cada que volteo al cielo... Sueño con poder caminar sobre ella y ver desde alla nuestro planeta
Really cool visuals and concepts, albeit, I really hope something akin to the orbital elevators and solar powered generation system from Gundam 00 come to life.
The craft with the modern von b concept needed weight distribution mass centering, which wasn't ever explained or discuss, the advantage with this craft is mass momentum with countering pulse of gyroscopic devices becoming geoscopic, turning it also into a interstellar cruise ship running on almost no fossil mass volume of excise storage, one could imagine a 1G force accel and deaccel half way comfort journey between planets and eventually other solar systems.
only one problem with the rotating space wheel. weight distribution. there needs to be counterweights to keep the whole thing spinning evenly these weights can be on these spokes and will go up to the hub and down to the rim, to keep a steady rotation. you may also want to add solar panels for electricity.
naah they have a atomic reaktor , i think this will run longer than the life span of such a station but yes panals would elliminate the nesseary of bringing reaktor fuel to the station
I imagine there would be errors from humans moving, but I think the station, 200 feet (or 60 meters) in diameter, with a circumference greater than 600 feet (180 meters) would be so heavy, that human motion would be negligible.
@@AmericanTestConstitution the problem wouldnt come from humans moving, but from the different facilities that would exist across the ring. For instance, if you have a medical facility (which doesnt require heavy equipment) in one side of the ring and your processing computers on the other side (which at the time were really heavy), you would have a pretty big difference of mass between the sides that could (and would) destabilize the spin of the entire station. Heavy counterweights would surely fix it tho.
To think I wasn't even born in 1965 ! But it looks so realistic, much like the stuff that is going on now, So I rule nothing out when it comes to space exploration. Von Braun was a clever man, maybe far cleverer than we give him credit for.
Liam Winter check out the gateway foundation. They are actually talking to the ISS contractors to try and build a station like this but it all depends on if starship can actually fly as cheap as they say
Von Braun gave us a gross oversimplification of the base's construction process. We probably would not do it this way today. Regardless, he was thinking ahead of his time. I believe that, if we are serious about Mars, we should make a rotating habitat our next station in space. A concept model might be best for a first try. Maybe a simple boom with the bulk weight and docking on one end and living quarters on the other end. Booms with counterweights could be used for two of the three other spokes of a spinning hub. This might add natural stability. The docking is at the hub. And I could go on.
Também acho que a solução para chegar até marte é essa porque uma nave pequena não será capaz de fazer esse trajeto com segurança. é terá que levar naves de reserva e combustível com eficiência.
Notice @0:32 that he used his "computer" as a pointer - I had one myself in high school, back when the Soviets scared us into the Space Race skirmish of the Cold War. We got to the Moon using en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slide_rule I have been told that ten years after this video was recorded, the electronic, state of the art discrete component digital computer in the Apollo LEM had 4K of core memory. Anyone else old enough to know what core memory is without having to do a Google Search? Isn't the early 21st Century "interesting"?
Yknow I often wonder if any of Von Braun’s creations would actually be successful if tested by nasa. If they already have, then someone needs to update the history books.
It's infuriating that this was proposed in 1952 and was considered feasible then and we still don't have it. In the same period there were resources for war in Vietnam, Iraq, and Wall St bailouts.
I would make a wheel but the array would be several hexagonal tubes that sit perpendicular to the rotating center, so that you have long transitions which will create a familiar view. Would be weird to always see a curved room
We will still need non-rotating stations like the ISS, Mir and Skylab in the future, because much of the research and manufacturing we want to do requires microgravity.
Von Braun was one of the greatest scientific mind in Germany and America. His vision is unparalleled especially for his time. Today we need more men and women like Werner to continue space exploration. We have made no progress since 1969 in my opinion.
He was a nazi. But he was brilliant. You think the USA 🇺🇸 would keep a scientist like this after beating the Nazis? Thats why Paperclip was sent into motion.
Considering that Dr Strangelove is supposed to be a general caricature of late nazi scientists that went to work for the US with project paperclip, its not really surprising. Wouldnt surprise me if Sellers used Braun as a main reference for his role.
This idea is used in so many movies even Disney movies ( as they were close buddies) we’ve all seen this idea one way or another but still haven’t built it. Wernher von Braun was such a intelligent guy and still the only person to produce a rocket that took humans to another planets surface. We needed to let him continue after Apollo. Instead the public was bored of it as if the moon was all we needed to explore. It’s sad. This guy wanted to go to Mars and probably would of gotten us there. He even wrote a book about Colonizing Mars oddly enough the mans name in the book to do so... was Elon ( creepy cool right? ) mind you Elon Musk hadn’t even been born yet. The book came out in 1952 and Elon was born in 1971. I want this concept to one day become a reality.. and I think it very much well could be. A double wheel could really change everything for humans and their rate of survival when something happens to our only home, Earth.
This what us Americans need to do. There are too many nukes to fight wars. Take 25 percent of our military budged and build Von Braun's plans. Import more Germans if we need to.
EXACTLY that's what we need more Germans and precious valuable lives and their contributions. Not all these filthy caravans coming from Mexico and South America just coming over to destroy America more than it already is.
For what particular purpose? The specific tasks that Von Braun believed humans would perform in his space station are already currently performed by computers in satellites. Those computers perform these tasks faster, more precisely, and more reliably than humans, cost a lot less to get into space, and don't waste significant portions of the satellite dedicated to life support systems.
It’s just a matter of time until humankind makes this type of space station. This design is a no-brainer with its simplicity in making “artificial gravity”.
Problem with a spinning station ist: That you need constant acceleration to sustain gravity. Once acceleration has stopped, 0-gravity will re-appear again.
I wonder how much fuel is left in this and how much more fuel it is going to need... where do you think them Rockets with the big tanks we're being sent to......
On this kind of space station the personnel could stay in orbit indefinitely without suffering the effects of microgravity since there will be an artificial gravity of 1G from the rotation of the space station. I am a bit puzzled why the space agencies didn't go with this design. I am aware that it will be a lot more expensive to build but it will be excellent on the long term.
I watched this twice, and he said the station rotates at 3 rpm and is 200 feet in diameter. That would provide 3 tenths of a gee at the rim, not 1 gee. Still love the concept!
Considering the distance the station appears from earth in this vid it would most certainly not stay in orbit and burn up into the earth's atmosphere at only 16,000 mph. Need to be faster than that to stay in orbit at that altitude.
You can't estimate the altitude precisely from that drawing. Von Braun explained that the orbital period would be 2 hours. If so, the altitude would need to be 1681 km/1045 miles, and the speed would be 25,320 kph/15,730 mph - pretty close to what von Braun said! (he was probably rounding up a little)
I’m sure the brightest rocket scientist that ever lived, the man who physically put humans on the moon in the late 1960’s knows less about these sort of things than you, right? Lol respectfully.
Stanley Kubrick se basó en estos diseños circulares que orbitan sobre si mismos para "2001 Odisea en el Espacio" pero hoy en día no se emplean estos diseños, ¿no?
(Copy+paste of one of my earlier comments) Funding. It's pretty hard to design something like that. There were brief plans I think. Or at least ideas for the ISS if I recall correctly, but they were worried the ISS wasn't structurally sound enough to support a large spinning structure. And Congress won't fund a long-term mission to the Moon or Mars, despite what each president says during their term, so there's no need for that at the moment, combine that with the fact it'll cost a lot to develop and build it, and it's easy to see why we haven't gotten one yet. It's a shame though, I'd love to see something like that floating in space.
Thank goodness for operation Paperclip. I would hate to think what would have happened if the USSR had gotten Wernher von Braun. I’m not saying that OP was right or wrong, but just the outcome. 🖖🏻
How do they do waste management in those stations tho? If living quarters were arranged in the same way how would a toilet take advantage of gravity to make the shitter work.
56 years later we still have no rotating space station with elevator shafts and 50 people, hopefully SpaceX and Blue Origin will make these ideas viable in near future.
It was nice to hear Von Braun's voice.
Ellon musk is too busy using investors money building flamethrowers and indebting the USA, but once the CSA and the B plan are implemented and Alta gets Arnold as its first president all this will change hahahahahahaha
No, they won't make these ideas "viable" in near future!
Who will pay all this shit...?
Please, come down to earth..., you naive dreamer!
As a German, I admire Wernher von Braun a lot! But I know very well that his visions were far ahead of time..., and today these visions are still ahead of time.
Today in October 2018, there isn't even a possibility to get to the ISS, after the failing Soyuz rocket, which didn't make it to the orbit.
Today there's no spaceshuttle program anymore, there's still no "Orion" in sight..., today there's not even a functioning Russian Soyuz-Taxi to the ISS. But people like you are still dreaming of huge space stations in "near future".... Hahaha!!!
Stop watching sci-fi-movies and don't taking it for "reality"... you little boy!
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There's no Orion, Space Shuttle or Soyuz,, there will be however the Boeing's Starliner and SpaceX's Dragon 2 in just a few months. And SpaceX is already testing parts for their BFR with first in-atmosphere hop tests beginning in a year or two. BFR when completed will rival Saturn V in it's raw power while being orders of magnitude cheaper even if not reusable.
This is how space station should look like.
The reason to build a space station, ist to make experiments with microgravity, so it make no sense to have a space station with artificial gravity now. Until we go to other planets...
Pretty realistic concept considering this was five years before Yuri Gagarin's first spaceflight.
Wow
This is a realistic concept full stop. Material science progress has made it more viable
Yuri Gagarin aka Neil Armstrong
@@Zero11s no they were 2 different ppl.
@@TheNavalAviator you are wrong
Notice the slide rule in Dr. von Braun's suit jacket pocket. Most engineering calculations at the time were to at most three decimal place accuracy.
That man was a genius--and probably envisioned the entire Space Program. I know he created the greatest rocket ever built (the Saturn V). I am grateful Disney filmed these clips to immortalize his vision. What makes him astounding to me is that he was a well-rounded individual, having a happy family (his daughter made a documentary about how he was a kind and involved husband and father), had many actual friends with whom they went waterskiing, boating, etc, and was deeply spiritual (although not a church attender). What a gift to America that man was.
Yes a great man and NAZI !!!
@@harrycrabb4357People often blame him for the terrible things the V-2 did during the war, but I find it to be very unfair. Besides designing the A-4 rocket (same thing, but different name and not a weapon), he did it all unwillingly. He was forced to join the Nazi Party and direct the program. What was he going to do, leave? Like with most things, we criticize others for the same things we would’ve done in their shoes.
@@darthrevan2961Yeah you can’t blame someone for fighting for their own country, and those that just did that weren’t charged for that. Otherwise everyone on the allied side and everyone of those arms manufacturers would be just as guilty
@@Icetea-2000 It's not about fighting for your country, a war crime is a war crime. The common problem with von Braun is his role in the creation of the V2 that killed thousands of Londoners and many more thousands of Jews through slave labor. However, Germany's scientific minds like von Braun knew how terrible the Nazi Party was and never would've built anything for them without being forced to. If he hadn't joined them to save his own life, somebody else would've been forced to do the work and the same people would've died, all while we would've lost one of the greatest pioneers of space travel and one of the greatest minds of the 20th Century.
@@thd544 Yes you do, by 1944 there was no invasion more to speak of. Someone that didn’t participate in anything else but joined the Wehrmacht to defend his home was not a criminal, that should be obvious, I don’t know why this is now something that is questioned, it would be the same with every country.
Do you also say that France wasn’t on the defense in 1940 because they declared war on Germany? That’s right, France and Britain declared war on germany, not the other way around.
And sure enough, the laws agreed, no one was punished at any postwar trials just for fighting for their country, but specifically those that committed war crimes.
The point is, this is not an argument to make, fighting for your country can never be considered an international crime, and it sure enough wasn’t, so your point is non-existent
Besides, Werner von Braun didn’t even fight in it, he had POW labor work for him that were given to him under the orders of military commanders, PLUS POW labor is hardly anything new, ALL ALLIES employed that. So if you consider that a war crime, buddy, then everyone in WW2 was a war criminal
He slightly under estimated the escape velocity because he was thinking about a very low Earth orbit.
But he had an amazingly detailed view way ahead of time.
Even predicting it's importance for weather forecasts and telecommunications.
1956 was before all that stuff happened..
I didn't notice any mathematical "blue notes". In this film clip Dr. von Braun gives the orbital speed as 16,000 miles per hour and the orbital period around the Earth as 2 hours, which is consistent for a first-order approximation. This implies an orbital altitude of approximately 1057 statute miles above the Earth's surface. In contrast, the International Space Station currently orbits between 207 and 270 statute miles above the surface with a period of slightly more than 92 minutes.
Guy invented the rocket equation, he didn't misspeak.
What do you mean? He isn't talking about LEO as in the specific LEO ISS is currently in. There are higher orbits that would arguably still be LEO.
And our space station looks like Graham crackers with connecting rods and poles. This is bike wheel in space.
@@johnbockelie3899 yes, the ISS does not have artificial gravity. The rotating "wheel" does.
Holyshit! So this is the one that inspires 2001: A Space Odyssey!
@@bajocontinuo3 or mine it off the Moon. In fact, mining water from the cryogenic lunar polar craters will be a source for LH2 (fuel) and LOX (oxidizer). Those resources will be shipped to filling stations at LEO and *_that_* will open up the solar system..
@@bajocontinuo3 - long term, the cryogenic lunar polar craters will be minded by telepresence robots especially designed to operate at cryogenic temperatures. Electric power for them will be from batteries. The habitats for the miners will be in the nearby peaks en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peak_of_eternal_light. There will probably be transmission lines between the various peaks because not all of them are in their rare dark at the same time. And with the lower lunar gravity, towers can be quite high.
Mining lunar uranium or thorium for breeder reactors will not be easy but - hopefully - not impossible. Once there is infrastructure to produce LH2 (fuel) and LOX (oxidizer) from lunar water, then asteroids and comets can be mined for all kinds of things.
@@bajocontinuo3 - another thing the moon miners will produce is structural materials - iron, aluminum, titanium
The most common elements in moon rocks are oxygen and silicon. BTW some moon rocks have calcium which is an excellent conductor but it will have to be sheathed in iron because it is so soft. And calcium will rip the hydrogen out of water so using it inside the habitats will be very regulated.
sites.wustl.edu/meteoritesite/items/the-chemical-composition-of-lunar-soil/
The moon miners will export things to build solar power satellites for Earth - that should be a real money maker.
@@bajocontinuo3 no, it was the Concept for the Film it is also mention in the making off 2001 space odyssey and the consept and first draft of a Rotating wheel space station its from von Braun. But the first Idea of a space Station came from Konstantin Eduardowitsch Ziolkowski and his book.
Look up for Herman Potocnik🥰 he started this… von Braun copied from him
It's my understanding that Dr. Von Braun was inspired mainly by just one book that he read when he was a youngster, a fictional story of people going to the Moon. He certainly had a lot of vision. Too bad the rotating wheel station never materialized. Such a craft would sure make it better, healthier, for long term space workers and others. For instance, building, running, maintaining an in-space rocket fuel factory, or other manufacturing, without being harmed from long term absence of gravity effect..
They will make them, but they have to be big (apparently) to prevent "vertigo". The ISS isn't big enough.
"In-space rocket fuel factory." Brilliant! And on what raw materials would this rocket fuel factory work?
If the fuel is methane, then you only need CO2, H20, a Nickel catalyst, energy (solar) and the sabatier process. Use electricity to split the water into oxygen and hydrogen, keep the oxygen as your oxidiser. Then use sabatier with the C02 and Hydrogen to make methane (rocket fuel) and more oxygen. So the raw materials would be C02 and Water, which you would have to source from somewhere. an asteroid of the right composition would be fine, as they are often grubby snowballs made of water, co2, methane, ammonia and other fun things.
In reality its actually very easy for Humans to harvest the necessary resources needed to make rocket fuel in space. bergasm pretty much explained it correctly if said fuel was methane. It just takes the desire to create the necessary technology needed to reach said fuel sources. If there is a market or a desire for it. Humanity is quite capable of getting its goal terrifyingly fast. You can see that right now with the SpaceX program which is launching rockets practically every other month now with the added ability of launching the same rockets several times before discarding or changing to a newer version each modification and update creating a more improved practical inexspensive rocket. Something NASA has had trouble with for years with. Now as for harvesting not just for Methene. We already have several locations for potential harvesting sites. We know the Moon has some water sources, and likely has all the avaliable items needed from asteroids on or under its surface due to billions of years of rock bombardment so we can use that as a launching point with it being used as a mining site and its items either being created on the surface or on a orbiting station. From that point its on the way to harvesting purer sources as actual space going rockets are created to explore past Mars. You can have space going rocket fuel factories and its likely more cost effective acting as likely both factory and fueling especially if they get the needed materials. Given that its also space you can technically have mobile fuel factories that can act as gas stations for ships on the way to mine or explore the eventual moons of Mars and the Asteroid Belt so long as they have the ability to create fuel well getting to location which should be easy if the Moon has the resources already . As for actual mining. We already have the tools. Any mundane drilling or extraction equipment on Earth given some modifications or redesigns (specifically in the engine requirements) should be more than capable of doing work in a gravity well that is much weaker, launching material from rocks, the Moon, the Martian moons or Mars itself would be easier as well as the lack of gravity means less resources use in launching space craft thereby saving fuel. Again this comes down to desire and need. Humanity needs a reason. Give Humanity a reason and you can see us be a space going civilization in your lifetime. .
Von Braun was talking about an Earth-orbiting station, hence my confusion as to where materials would come from. As for "grubby snowballs," Whipple's notion from the 1950s hasn't panned out in numerous close-up missions, like Rosetta to 67P. Resources for fuel exist, but it won't be as easy as the early space visionaries imagined.
The reason why Von Braun's space wheel wasn't built was that, in 1958, the Van Allen radiation belts were discovered.
The space wheel was supposed to be in an orbit 1,000 miles above the earth. That would put it 'smack dab' in the middle of the dangerous radiation.
Literally while I was watching the robots build the space station I was thinking "Isn't that right in the Van Allen belts?"
How did the Apollo missions solve that problem??
@Jack Respeliers I cooould buy that but I’m having trouble believing they couldn’t find a fix since then.
"radiation belt" oh you mean the firmament
@@Zero11s Yes 👍
We were lucky indeed to get Von Braun. His understanding of space and its potential was way ahead of the time he lived in.
Indeed. He even predicted an elon that will be the Mars leader in his book "Mars project". Have you hear Elon name before Elon? It's called programming.
But he is a N*zi and killed people.
Next we will add another wheel, pedals, frame and handlebar. And the space bicycle will be complete.
Wirebiter64 No the physics is correct. You have to do the math. The rest...
The good old wheel in space station.
No, add a second wheel rotating in the opposite direction with an opposing shaft so the stations rotation doesnt cause it to start twisting around the centervas it spins.
No, space Harley-Davidson is what it should be...😄😄
I really wish we had built this version of the space station. I like the overall design and the artificial gravity created by the spinning wheel.
Thanks Larry! Great video information... beautiful idea from von braun... I hope some day we can try this for real.
That's amazing, we are finally on that route
he was definitely one of the best minds of the human race
His tombstone tells the truth
Psalms 19:1
He knew we could not travers space let alone penetrate the firmament (operation fishbowl)
@@murphylegion bible was written by man not god, 2000 years ago, the word "firmament" meant the sky not some magical invisible "dome" around earth, the human understanding of astronomy was then too low to understand the universe. Earth is a globe, that is a fact proven thousands of times through cereful observations and experiments. That is the truth.
Too bad we had to crush the Nazis, they were a smart bunch
be good lol the bible quote has nothing to do with flat earth or the "dome", im not sure what you're getting at
@@100videosandnosubscribers3 Too bad there are so many people such as you who have swallowed the lies.
Beautiful idea!:)
Brilliant!
I can't believe the US gave up on this giant leap for mankind and instead spent trillions of dollars on war and weapons 😒
this is war, war on the people
Es increible poder escucharlo hablar... Gracias a el pudimos ir ala luna, yo cada que volteo al cielo... Sueño con poder caminar sobre ella y ver desde alla nuestro planeta
this guy is going places mark my words
lmao...
He's probably in Hell 😂
@@ThousandIsland_stare If you believe in Hell then you're obliged to believe people can repent.
If there really is an afterlife, the Almighty and von Braun must have had an interesting discussion…
@@michaela2634american crying 😂😂😂😂
Looks similar to Space Station V from 2001: A Space Odyssey.
Yeah, I guess the director certainly took the inspiration from von Braun's presentation
It is. And oddly, it's the last we ever saw of the concept.
Really cool visuals and concepts, albeit, I really hope something akin to the orbital elevators and solar powered generation system from Gundam 00 come to life.
what a great mind,,a great futuristic guy.
HE WAS A CRIMINAL NAZI, BROUGHT BY THE US TO THIS COUNTRY !, DO YOU STILL THINK HE WAS BRILLIANT ?
Like in 2001 a Space Odissey😀
Great proyect..! Back to future...!
Really interesting and awsome Space Lab in space craft for space station
The craft with the modern von b concept needed weight distribution mass centering, which wasn't ever explained or discuss, the advantage with this craft is mass momentum with countering pulse of gyroscopic devices becoming geoscopic, turning it also into a interstellar cruise ship running on almost no fossil mass volume of excise storage, one could imagine a 1G force accel and deaccel half way comfort journey between planets and eventually other solar systems.
only one problem with the rotating space wheel. weight distribution. there needs to be counterweights to keep the whole thing spinning evenly these weights can be on these spokes and will go up to the hub and down to the rim, to keep a steady rotation. you may also want to add solar panels for electricity.
naah they have a atomic reaktor , i think this will run longer than the life span of such a station but yes panals would elliminate the nesseary of bringing reaktor fuel to the station
yes! a counter-spin. that way you could start and stop the rotation for the occasional maintenance.
I imagine there would be errors from humans moving, but I think the station, 200 feet (or 60 meters) in diameter, with a circumference greater than 600 feet (180 meters) would be so heavy, that human motion would be negligible.
@@AmericanTestConstitution the problem wouldnt come from humans moving, but from the different facilities that would exist across the ring.
For instance, if you have a medical facility (which doesnt require heavy equipment) in one side of the ring and your processing computers on the other side (which at the time were really heavy), you would have a pretty big difference of mass between the sides that could (and would) destabilize the spin of the entire station. Heavy counterweights would surely fix it tho.
If this was planned in the 2000s of course they would have used solar panels.
NASA needs to set a goal on doing something like this.
NASA Doesn't care/
+Leverquin They do, America's government just doesnt.
Rob M give them the budget and they will, money is what holds them back.
Audi has plans to build one, check out this video:
Audi Mission to the Moon - From project man to project mankind
NASA exists today only to push climate alarmism and deny human biodiversity.
To think I wasn't even born in 1965 ! But it looks so realistic, much like the stuff that is going on now, So I rule nothing out when it comes to space exploration. Von Braun was a clever man, maybe far cleverer than we give him credit for.
Sad that probably almost 100 years later we will finally have this
Liam Winter check out the gateway foundation. They are actually talking to the ISS contractors to try and build a station like this but it all depends on if starship can actually fly as cheap as they say
What have you done for science idiot
@@dove227 Definitely more than you've done for grammar. You dropped these: , ?
@@AmyAnnLand Nerd
@@necondaa Thank you!
*My God*
*... it's full of stars ... ...*
I love this quote from one of my favourite films❤
He predicted the Bigelowe Expandable Activity Module in 1956. Wow.
Where do you think Bigelow got the idea from?
More like introducing the concept then Bigelow pick it up and realize it.
Von Braun gave us a gross oversimplification of the base's construction process. We probably would not do it this way today. Regardless, he was thinking ahead of his time. I believe that, if we are serious about Mars, we should make a rotating habitat our next station in space. A concept model might be best for a first try. Maybe a simple boom with the bulk weight and docking on one end and living quarters on the other end. Booms with counterweights could be used for two of the three other spokes of a spinning hub. This might add natural stability. The docking is at the hub. And I could go on.
Também acho que a solução para chegar até marte é essa porque uma nave pequena não será capaz de fazer esse trajeto com segurança. é terá que levar naves de reserva e combustível com eficiência.
Notice @0:32 that he used his "computer" as a pointer - I had one myself in high school, back when the Soviets scared us into the Space Race skirmish of the Cold War. We got to the Moon using en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slide_rule I have been told that ten years after this video was recorded, the electronic, state of the art discrete component digital computer in the Apollo LEM had 4K of core memory. Anyone else old enough to know what core memory is without having to do a Google Search? Isn't the early 21st Century "interesting"?
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Those Nazi's really knew their space travel!
Gênio Dr. Von Braun!🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
No no u got it wrong he was a nazi more iron cross sign
Yknow I often wonder if any of Von Braun’s creations would actually be successful if tested by nasa. If they already have, then someone needs to update the history books.
It's infuriating that this was proposed in 1952 and was considered feasible then and we still don't have it. In the same period there were resources for war in Vietnam, Iraq, and Wall St bailouts.
research globe earth and become a flat earther
I would make a wheel but the array would be several hexagonal tubes that sit perpendicular to the rotating center, so that you have long transitions which will create a familiar view. Would be weird to always see a curved room
It would be nice to have this.
Now the present is suddenly disappointing!
Von Braun and Korolev, the Pioneers of the Space Age
We will still need non-rotating stations like the ISS, Mir and Skylab in the future, because much of the research and manufacturing we want to do requires microgravity.
Von Braun was one of the greatest scientific mind in Germany and America. His vision is unparalleled especially for his time. Today we need more men and women like Werner to continue space exploration. We have made no progress since 1969 in my opinion.
Just about every sentence you said is wrong, like 90%.
Everyone has a opinion, he had a brilliant mind and contributed a lot to science.@@danielmolinar8669
It's funny to see that people don't know his background before he went to NAZA
He was a nazi. But he was brilliant. You think the USA 🇺🇸 would keep a scientist like this after beating the Nazis? Thats why Paperclip was sent into motion.
His accent reminds me of Peter Sellers in Dr Strangelove
"Greenhouses could maintain plant life. Animals could be bred and *slaughtered*"
the whole point of a Doomsday Machine is lost, if you *keep* it a *secret*! Why didn't you tell the world, EH?
More like klaus the fish in family guy
Considering that Dr Strangelove is supposed to be a general caricature of late nazi scientists that went to work for the US with project paperclip, its not really surprising.
Wouldnt surprise me if Sellers used Braun as a main reference for his role.
I was expecting to hear him scream: My fuhrer i can walk
also he had nice speaking ability
Seems like a good man, i sure wonder what he did during 1939-1945
There used to be the full presentation on CZcams. Can't find it anymore. Anyone know where it is?
How can he make it look soo possible to build this space station?... Its 50 years ago😯😯😯!
66 years ago.
we do. since 1965.
the man was ahead its time. He was giving us an airplane we take its wings and made a carriage
genius
We should have several of these in orbit by now.
This idea is used in so many movies even Disney movies ( as they were close buddies) we’ve all seen this idea one way or another but still haven’t built it. Wernher von Braun was such a intelligent guy and still the only person to produce a rocket that took humans to another planets surface. We needed to let him continue after Apollo. Instead the public was bored of it as if the moon was all we needed to explore. It’s sad. This guy wanted to go to Mars and probably would of gotten us there. He even wrote a book about Colonizing Mars oddly enough the mans name in the book to do so... was Elon ( creepy cool right? ) mind you Elon Musk hadn’t even been born yet. The book came out in 1952 and Elon was born in 1971.
I want this concept to one day become a reality.. and I think it very much well could be. A double wheel could really change everything for humans and their rate of survival when something happens to our only home, Earth.
Gotta love the german space program, I mean NASA...
This what us Americans need to do. There are too many nukes to fight wars. Take 25 percent of our military budged and build Von Braun's plans. Import more Germans if we need to.
Then how are you gonna fund your wars for Israels interests and cause shit like the refugee crisis?
EXACTLY that's what we need more Germans and precious valuable lives and their contributions. Not all these filthy caravans coming from Mexico and South America just coming over to destroy America more than it already is.
For what particular purpose? The specific tasks that Von Braun believed humans would perform in his space station are already currently performed by computers in satellites. Those computers perform these tasks faster, more precisely, and more reliably than humans, cost a lot less to get into space, and don't waste significant portions of the satellite dedicated to life support systems.
No no, haven't you heard that all those brown people can be trained as rocket scientists?
@@javieranguiano4654 dude... you have a Latin American name
How did we let such a brilliant mind go to watse
Paper Clip Space Station sure was cool looking...
Looks a lot like Noordung's design for a wheel space station in his book from 1928.
🥰🥰 somebody mention Herman Potocnik. 🙏
It’s just a matter of time until humankind makes this type of space station. This design is a no-brainer with its simplicity in making “artificial gravity”.
I love how hé says :calculating devices aka computers
Braun literally told you step by step how to conduct this task and you still doubt.
at least we got it in ksp
The thing I love and respect about the German People is an honest Goal,complex but simple at the same time.
Problem with a spinning station ist: That you need constant acceleration to sustain gravity. Once acceleration has stopped, 0-gravity will re-appear again.
And nowadays we're thinking about inflatable modules again, and the rotating artificial G is also a thing that needs to be done
I came here looking for some spacey library music.
Many Von Braun rotating space stations will be great idea for US Space Force and future commercial applications.
Why the music so eerie
What a cool vid.. WVB visited NZ once.. thanks from NZ 👍🇳🇿
What happened to the model that was shown in this video?
Holy Sh*t... ELYSIUM!!
Genius? Monster? Perhaps both
Nope. The monster was HITLER. Wernher was just abused . . .
Nice mercedes logo
Thank God we have the Gateway Foundation!
@Ryben Flynn there's always some people...
2000 ft would be ok for artificial gravity
на МКС планировался один модуль с искусственной гравитацией. Но его так и не сделали
I wonder how much fuel is left in this and how much more fuel it is going to need... where do you think them Rockets with the big tanks we're being sent to......
this is the rocket in the new season of for all mankind
It looks like Zenon's Karr space station.
On this kind of space station the personnel could stay in orbit indefinitely without suffering the effects of microgravity since there will be an artificial gravity of 1G from the rotation of the space station. I am a bit puzzled why the space agencies didn't go with this design. I am aware that it will be a lot more expensive to build but it will be excellent on the long term.
I watched this twice, and he said the station rotates at 3 rpm and is 200 feet in diameter.
That would provide 3 tenths of a gee at the rim, not 1 gee.
Still love the concept!
✨ Wernher von Braun was the God of Space Exploration ✨
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Von braun really played theoretical ksp
😊
Oy veyy shut it down!!!
What size placement fractions you learn with
Considering the distance the station appears from earth in this vid it would most certainly not stay in orbit and burn up into the earth's atmosphere at only 16,000 mph. Need to be faster than that to stay in orbit at that altitude.
You can't estimate the altitude precisely from that drawing.
Von Braun explained that the orbital period would be 2 hours. If so, the altitude would need to be 1681 km/1045 miles, and the speed would be 25,320 kph/15,730 mph - pretty close to what von Braun said! (he was probably rounding up a little)
1956 drawings and it was von braun......he knowns better than anyone
I’m sure the brightest rocket scientist that ever lived, the man who physically put humans on the moon in the late 1960’s knows less about these sort of things than you, right? Lol respectfully.
o que eu sei e que poucos sabem isso não funciona na vida real.....
Some guy at NASA watched him fliming this thinking "And he expects me to pay for all this..."
Stanley Kubrick se basó en estos diseños circulares que orbitan sobre si mismos para "2001 Odisea en el Espacio" pero hoy en día no se emplean estos diseños, ¿no?
Oh boy was he going to be disappointed
Admirable mind!!
We are in 2018 and otbiting earth with the ISS is a sh..t!!! Why we didn't made this???
(Copy+paste of one of my earlier comments)
Funding. It's pretty hard to design something like that. There were brief plans I think. Or at least ideas for the ISS if I recall correctly, but they were worried the ISS wasn't structurally sound enough to support a large spinning structure.
And Congress won't fund a long-term mission to the Moon or Mars, despite what each president says during their term, so there's no need for that at the moment, combine that with the fact it'll cost a lot to develop and build it, and it's easy to see why we haven't gotten one yet.
It's a shame though, I'd love to see something like that floating in space.
I also have an another model in same idea
it's already been done
1:24 are those HEV suits from Half Life?
hell yea :D :D
Thank goodness for operation Paperclip. I would hate to think what would have happened if the USSR had gotten Wernher von Braun. I’m not saying that OP was right or wrong, but just the outcome. 🖖🏻
Then I will say it.....Paperclip was definitely the right move.....that space technology was EVERYTHING and then some.....
The soviets went to space for humanity, Americans went for photographs. Keep your Nazi scientist, you still weren't first to space.
@@AC-fg4kg yeah ok buddy. Both went to space for glory and bragging rights and both got Nazi scientists
Imagine thinking Paperclip was just about finding advanced German tech, and not really about just keeping resources and men away from the Soviets
How do they do waste management in those stations tho? If living quarters were arranged in the same way how would a toilet take advantage of gravity to make the shitter work.
Just open the door and throw it out in space, Never know those shit could make evolution elsewhere.