South Shields Police Station - Threat of arrest under section 5 & Town Police Clauses Act
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- www.pinacnews.c... - Having a look around South Shields Police Station where I was threatened with arrest under section 5 public order and then Town Police Clauses Act.
Police staff and Sargent were both muppets IMO.
I'm not the only person to have problems here.
@mat12128 & @TheTorbinator1 had issues here I believe.
They have violated The Human Rights Act article 14. Allowing you in if you're not recording, but not if you are recording
Article 33 of the Criminal Justice Act 1972 also says: “Public place” includes any highway and any other premises or place to which at the material time the public have or are permitted to have access, whether on payment or otherwise ”. ( The police station was open at the time, so I had every right to be there)
Also the NPCC memo on Auditors / Social Media Bloggers also basically says that I am allowed to do what I was doing.
So multiple failings here.
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When he came back out you could see in his face how broken and angry he was, trying to make out that "Muppet" was a swear word, very embarrassing for him.
Gods - a muppet is a genial, humorous type. I've seen them on the telly and they're always friendly and full of fun. There is no way that grumpy, hostile aggressive cop could honestly be called a muppet. He is an angry shouty moron! LOL
So, best action plan is Professional Standards... Facebook exposure and CZcams (which you've done so far with the video)
If nothing is done, and you have no resolution to his behaviour then just tag it everywhere!
The Town Police Clauses Act 1847 - that would have been an interesting conversation with the Custody Sergeant
24:15 Another cop who thinks "muppet" is abusive. It's an insult, but insulting is no longer a valid reason for a section 5 as it was removed in 2013.
1.5 This Code of Practice must be readily available at all police stations for consultation by police officers and police staff, detained persons and members of the public
That's pace code g
I was close then, thought it was H, hahaha
@@ItsOnlyACamera great audit exposing tyrants, I'm steaming that they kicked you out. Keep up the good work
Ya should have still waited until ya got the copy of pace in ya hand mate. That was your right to stay in the building mate as you were conducting business in there. Yes he was a muppet.
TYRANTS lmfao, you've obviously been watching the stupid Yanks. You wouldn't recognise a TYRANT if he/she slapped you in the face with a wet fish.
24:35 I bet he was so proud to be able to use the disorderly conduct in a police station section (29 of the Town Police Clauses Act 1847). Except he fails at that too. That's because the law is about violent and indecent behaviour. You weren't violent and you weren't indecent.
I called Kermit the frog and Miss Piggy muppets, but they weren't offended.
wow did not know my local copper shop was that bad
This officer making Forrest Gump look like Einstein DOH
Also, 1) an agent of the landowner can move you along 2) once your right of access is rescinded, you must leave and no reason need be given
This is relevant, but surely he's no right to trespass a member of the public conducting business in a public police station, that's not his job and it's discriminatory and he's using it to avoid taking a complaint and informing the public as requested
@@nihilistic7840 photography is not a protected characteristic under the Equality Act. Can he file his complaint without filming? Yes he can, ergo he can still complete his business
@@jophillips8230 I'm not sure it's not a right given access is a right, however he chooses to access would be none of anyone's business, and it's not an offence, so hardly grounds for refusing service. Otherwise the cop could say come in here dancing on one leg and singing old Lang syne and he'd have no choice. What about the cop? What grounds had the cop for refusing service?
That’s true Jo, on social media there seems to be a lot of misunderstanding about trespassing, implied rights of access etc. but as on this occasion he was attending a police station to view the PACE code of practice, which must be readily available at all police stations for consultation by members of the public, throwing him out was completely unacceptable. The filming is niether here not there.
It’s unbelievable that he’s so causal and unconcerned about failing to comply with a request from a member of the public to consult the PACE code of practice. In any other job, if you don’t follow procedure, you face disciplinary action and ultimately dismissal. The constable even realised that it was some sort of test but still failed. Why do the police take offence at the public checking the police comply with the law, when the police themselves spend their entire careers checking that the public comply with the law?
"I'm a taxpayer so I'm legally entitled".....
If only, that were true.
Please please please...beg, beg,beg....
Auditors get the fact right.....
Check the Land Registry.. and stop making stuff up about section 33.
Auditors DO an important task bringing the police to account but when you get the basic fact completely wrong it demeans your credibility.
Thought auditors had stopped using section 33 by now?
@@auditpundit1199 I don't think any of them have actually read it. It's not even that big of a section.
@@scotttchviski6706 It's about twenty six words I think. And the stuff auditors "read into it" without actually reading it, is astounding.
It defines "public" for the application of offences. But we all too often hear "section 33 gives me the right" and "section 33 says", when it doesn't.
@@auditpundit1199 Spot on. It also says it's a subsection of the Public Order Act 1936 in the first line.
@@JoePublicUk But not to take it away. Even though some have managed that in the past.
Well done, the muppet was a pure muppet, His ego was boundless .that can't be easy facing such a twrep.
Hope I am not swearing calling that muppet a muppet?
That officer was very angry and spoiling for a fight. You should have taken his name and shoulder number and made a complaint. There was no profane language, so he lied on camera.
I wonder if that guy is related to Inspector Muppet.
The officer on the desk is correct, it is a private building with implied access to people that can be revoked at any time. It is nice to see that the police have made themselves aware of the appropriate legislation as it is written and not the imaginary rules Auditors made up which are simply a copy and paste of those used by American 1st Amendment Auditors
Wrong if public access you can record! !
@@johncummins3860 Public Access has nothing to do with the Criminal Justice Act 1972 Section 33
Public access is the right to enter property or land. You have the right to enter property or land but do so on condition you agree to abide by the "rules of the house" and instructions of employees/owners, if you refuse to stop filming they can then order you to leave revoking your right of access and declare you a trespasser if you then refuse to leave
Your are welcome to prove me wrong citing the relevant legislation and acts of parliament
@@Hellstorm901 We’ll start with the legality, it is NOT illegal, it might be against their POLICY but policy IS NOT LAW and does not have the force of law and ignoring policy does not violate law. Violating LAW is a crime. With that said, if it is privately owned property like most malls I am aware of then they CAN order you do leave under trespass laws and you must depart. ONLY after you refuse to leave can you be considered to have committed a crime. They can do this for ANY or NO reason at all. But this ONE THING you must comply with.
@@Hellstorm901 you can also ask to see a copy of the agreement policy which they have to pay each year to film you on cctv data protection act 2018
Crown Court judge ruled that police foyer when open is a public place.
I didn't realize that a crown court judge has ruled on that. However, I did know that but them Muppets wasn't having it
Please can you cite the case?
Any tenant or leaseholder or their representatives can ask someone to leave a place. But any force used must always be reasonable AND appropriate AND necessary. What would be reasonable in ejecting you from the foyer would be limited to blocking your way. But it wouldn't be appropriate since you were only doing something they didn't like not something that is causing others harassment alarm or distress. And it wouldn't be necessary since it's obvious that you would be leaving relatively soon after your enquires and requests had been met.
It's obvious it's not the first time that "police" officer has been called a muppet. That's why he was so angry, his own friends probably call him a muppet on a daily basis. To that officer if he happens to read this......"You MUPPET". :)
The Officer stating absolutely load of rubbish muppet may be rude but not unlawful.
He wasn't actually, almost all he said was correct. It doesn't matter if ten million auditors call them public property, it won't change the fact...that they're not.
Wish I knew you were there I would of come down
Were you upstairs...?
😂🤣😀😀
Police 1, frauditor 0. Good result. That’s what you get when the fraudItors don’t have the minimal knowledge of the law.
Muppet! Really? Foul and abusive language. That’s the 2nd time I’ve seen an auditor threatened with arrest for calling police a muppet. I looked up whether muppet is a swear word but there’s no definitive list in law but the BBC lists it’s consideration of swear words & muppet ain’t on it. So if it can be a swear word it’s gotta be pretty damn mild at best.
24:15 Section 28 of the Town Police Clauses Act 1847 includes this about profane: "Every person who publicly offers for sale or distribution, or exhibits to public view any profane, . . . F34 book, paper, print, drawing, painting, or representation, or sings any profane or obscene song or ballad, or uses any profane or obscene language". However profane is related to being disrespectful to a religion. And it can't be obscene since it's something watched by children. In any case, that particular part of section 28 was repealed by the Deregulation Act 2015. So the cop is just another one who proves that he's stuck to his training script and not educated himself to the actual law and that he has been re-trained. So a failure on his part personally and the whole force too.
Muppet = profanity. How thin can their skin get before they start leaking?
Copper loses his cool, copper has lost.
We pay these people to be professionalf they can not be they need to leave
S33 CJA 72 says you have an implied right of access if you are conducting lawful business with the property owner or tenant. What lawful business were you conducting with the police (filming them doesn’t count as that is business you are conducting with yourself)?
S33 is a red herring which people keep misinterpreting. He was conducting lawful business though, as the public have the right to consult PACE code of practice at any police station.
Another example of police not liking being made accountable and getting petulant because they don't get their way. Please keep up the great work auditing.
Come here from pinac audit that comes up in my feed
Corrupt to the max that cop shop telling you 🐖🐖🐖
WHEN THE COP LOSES AN ARGUMENT HE WALKS AWAY OR GETS ABUSIVE.
THESE COPS THINK THEY LIVE IN THE 1960s WHEN CAMERAS IN PUBLIC PLACES WAS RARE.
THEY COULD GEY AWAY WITH THIS BEHAVIOUR BUT TIMES HAVE CHANGED AND THEY CAN BE RECORDED FOR THE CHIEF CONSTABLE TO SEE AND REPREMANDED.!!.
It's a private building. True. But so is every other single building in the country. But the public enter thousands of such private buildings every day. And thousands of pieces of land that is private from waste ground to footpaths to carparks. And there is nothing in law that stops people using their camera in such private buildings be it a shop, a garden centre, a DIY store or a theme park.
I know of two been there one was mat
He's a first class Muppet PC
NEVER TALK TO COPS
THEY'RE ALL COUZENS
Live Free threatened to rape a woman and was sent to prison for it
All auditors are a danger to women then by your belief?
All auditors are wankers.
Really like the intro sequence 😂 so funny so true unfortunately
You gave in... So what was the point of that...
The muppet got upset 🤣🤣🤣
24:20 I would have had my pocketknife ready. This one is ready to attack people over words.
Why even go there though thats what I dont get.
Great audit well done should have called him a muppet again
Believe me when I say that I had to bite my tongue not too. Any other time I would have done just couldn't unfortunately on that day. I will be doing a visit at some point. Thanks for the support.
@@ItsOnlyACamera thats the thing with this game you need to be prepared to get nicked no messing about
@@AY-Audits So true buddy. It's one of them where I wanted to do it but really shouldn't have done that station on that day. I know really speaking it's the only part that lets this down a little.. I have been kicking myself about it and i wasn't sure if I was even going to post this but I said to myself that I would never hide mistakes or errors and that I would learn for it. Onwards and upwards.
@@ItsOnlyACamera yeah always post mate always and tbf the video was great you highlighted a TYRANT make sure ya complain
@@AY-Audits absolutely. I'm even going to post an update once it's all sorted and report the outcome. Thanks for the support buddy.
And what will you do about your unlawfully encounter?
Do you sue or are you one of those socalled auditors who do everything for a video but do nothing to change police behaviour. After all everyone know that complaints normally don't work.
There never has been a single successful, upheld complaint or legal action for an auditor being removed from police property. Several for unlawful arrests and searches though.
@@budgetnuclearweapons7858 Lee Tench v Cheshire Constabulary 2021, Mr Tench was fined and issued a Criminal Behaviour Order for 5 years for Aggrevated Trespass on police property after repeatedly refusing to leave police property when declared a trespasser which he argued was "public property"
Thanks for playing
@@Hellstorm901 That looks like it might have been "UK Reports" prosecution for AT at Macclesfield police station car park.
Thanks for that. The number of auditors that blindingly refuse to accept "fact" when there's overwhelming evidence, is astounding. I know they don't like it, because it doesn't suit their agenda. And its what UK auditors have been saying for the last six years. But...at some point, theyre going to have to accept that police stations ARE private property.
Port of Crime
The only test you need for a public or a private place….
Can you walk around with your nob out.
Yes = private place
No = public place or publicly accessible.
if u called him muppet twice u woulda go viral :)
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He wanted you to leave. You left. It's hardly a good audit.
You should have kept calling him a muppet. Never back down, take the arrest and then sue. We'll done though, it ain't easy. 👍
Lord Justice Bean in a landmark appeal court ruling said that freedom of expression encompasses the right to offend and abuse another.
Maybe you’d like to fully explain what he said rather than citing prejudiced sound bites.
He didn’t say that there was a absolute boundless right to free speech. He said that the parts of the legislation he was referring to (The Communications Act) hadn’t been intended to criminalise speech and so had been misapplied in that case.
It is beyond doubt that the right to free speech is bounded. You can’t pick and choose bits of legislation to make your argument while ignoring the rest.
How delicate are these 🤡s. He’s the type to go on social media to try to be offended.
Rats
Lovely vid well done u for keeping your cool
Auditing police is old news and boring
If you say so officer. 👌🏽
He seemed to overreact to the word muppet.
I wonder what he thinks it means.
Earning the hate
Whea ya gaain now then ya bugga???
Well Done Sir, You Handled The Situation Very Well And Thank You For Quoting The Different Sections, As We The Public Don't Know All Our Rights, Keep Up The Good Work, One Love 💚
well done mate
I'm a retired police sergeant I am so embarrassed by officer Muppet. As you rightly said as long as there is no member of the public in earshot a police officer is deemed sufficiently robust to not be alarmed, distressed or harassed by swearing. Muppet is not a swear word it is considered common vernacular. Crimebodge, a renowned auditor and legal wizard, was hounded for weeks by a very fey constable for calling him a sausage. The case was dismissed with sniggers all round. The MET appealed two section five's all the way up to the Court of Appeal only to be politely told to grow up, go away and stop wasting taxpayers money.
Hey bud im new did to your channel and i would say you were great cops are just assholes lol
To threaten some one is a crime isn’t it?
If you threaten yes if you call someone a muppet then no
Lose the mask mate
an excellent video - well done
Why do you people waste so much police time, they have got serious issues to deal with not messing about with time wasters
People need to see how these muppets treat people taking law into there own hands
Great video of mostly sky !
So unprofessional
looks like the muppet won that one 😮
How to get turfed out of a private building and achieve absolutely nothing in the process lol
I actually love the fact that the sergeant and desk officer are fully aware of the actual legislation and not the imaginary laws Auditors make up
Fun facts most auditors either don't know or don't want their followers to know. Section 33 of the Criminal Justice Act 1972 actually only applies to highways, public footpaths and places such as parks. Also the "Implied Access" law the auditors like bringing up actually has nothing to do with filming inside buildings. Implied Access was actually created firstly so that you could enter a business and conduct trade without having to get permission from the owner to enter the business every time you want to go in and secondly and most importantly to resolve rural disputes between hikers and farmers where a hiker may accidentally trespass on a farmers land unintentionally. Implied Access means that the farmer can't prosecute you for trespassing because you genuinely thought you were allowed to make peaceful travel across their land
Aww!! Tell him how brave and wonderful he is and what a good “ job” and “ work “ the sad pathetic attention seeking loser did.