Good vs Bad - Vocal Recording
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Pro tip for every vocalist before every recording session: warm tf up. Seriously.
Say it again!!!! Truer words have not been spoken
Or get a lil' drunk... Lol
@@Skwidd_Man ON GOD 😭
What does tf stands for?
@@LolloMarinoItalia wtf= what the f*ck so tf = the f*ck
Haha jokes on you
my recording equipment is my phone and my Google Drive
i know that feel bro
bro I'm recording on band lab and my phone AND Chromebook 😭 LMAO
@@risant2483 Bandlab supremacy
Hah. I use Google Drive after every session to download them to my main computer whose fans are too loud to record with.
@@risant2483 BandLab is awesome! I used to use it before, now I use Ableton :) Ableton is a level up for sure but I enjoyed BandLab as well
A lot of these tips are good if you are recording yourself but recording other people is different. first sound check and then leave headroom from the soundcheck because artists always sing louder during a performance than they do sound check ( even if you tell them to sing the loudest possible). Another good tip is to make sure the singer is standing and the mic is pointed at their forehead hanging from above, this makes them use their entire diaphragm and will also keep the mic from clipping. All of the mixing/processing is your fault, take it step by step, listen to the full mix each time, (MAKE SURE IT IS GOOD!) and make sure before you master that your mix really only hits on average -5dBs, this will give room for mastering. source, I am a certified Audio engineer that went through college to get my cert's and degree's.
Interesting so when u say hanging from above can u elaborate on that briefly for me?
@@theceasarkevlar9155 have the capsule of the mic pointed downwards towards the ground above the artist with the diaphragm facing the artist forehead. this also depends on the mic. I am referring to a side-address mic and not an end address mic.. this does require either a special mic stand or some homemade hoshposh. im sure if you look up some isolation booth recordings whether it be singers or voice -overs you would see a good example.
@@elijahwohlers9945 yeah I've been a in house tracking engineer for about 3 and a half years now. Only thing is I'm "self" taught even
though I hate saying that because I've just drawn from resources like your advice here. Funny thing is though I watch the videos like this for entertainment...they become just so repetitive with facts that are "formal" and introductive well suited for "a new set of home studio beginners ears" our critical listening and experience gives us another set sensory analyzer if you will OUR EARS .so when they go to bypass the compressor to teach a visual mix decision... I've already HEARD that attack dialed in a bit too late to tame those initial transients on a wild alteration of LOUDLY TRACKED -3db(omg) BIG BRIGHT BLASTY B-words.
Lol I but no knock on the videos it helps guys who aren't confident or trusting
their ears yet. I just learn in the NOW days from signal wisdom and Veteran Advice. Thanks for the elaboration.
@@theceasarkevlar9155 No problem, even though you are experienced, you might be able to learn more from schooling. There are just so many concepts. but here are a couple of books that I have used during my study's and they aren't super expensive. The mixing engineer's handbook by Bobby Owsinski. Modern recording techniques by David Huber. Yamaha Sound reinforcement handbook. and for live sound, Live sound reinforcement by Teddy Boyce. Then we also go through Pro Tools training and get two cert's from Avid; Cert user and Cert operator. I usually check these types of videos out to see if I can learn more.
U don't have to turn down ur mix at -5 just for mastering, that's optional
Next time you need a slap back delay: “kids, out of the room, I need the place!”
You have a radio voice 🎶
Tons of compression? lol
Proximity effect, compression, and mic placement.
He has radio equipment.
Why would you insult him like that?
Too much reverb!
In my vocals you can hear cars, airplanes, my dog scratching and my phone ringing. 😐 ...I included everything in my songs. 🤪
You can also hear chickens and kids making noises in mine.and I dont even have kids
I got to sample your vocals lol
Thats art
Noise gate?
@@reekrodriqguez6552 problem is you can’t noise gate the background sounds while singing. It will just be inbetween singing. Personally I hate noise gates. It’s better to edit out the sounds yourself so you have control over it.
Lmao. Made my first 3 cents from music streams.
Noice
Stonks
I've made just over $3 in 6 months...gotta love it 🙃
@@OfficialSapphirePhoenix one year and im at like 7 dollars
i love what i do though, so it doesn't matter to me :)
I've made like 50 thousand over a few years due to one of my songs going viral 7 million views. It's a tough grind but very rewarding and feel good weather one dollar or hundred
That vibrato on 'Amen' is so beautiful!!
Andrew Huang once said that if you don't have a pop filter or anything you can try putting a pencil between you and the mic and it can separate the air that causes the pops.
i use both a pop filter and a pencil (actually a laser pointer lol) i find that the filter keeps the pops from being too harsh and the pencil helps separate the sound so its not directed exactly toward the microphone
You can also place the mic to the side/corner of your mouth instead. So when plosives happen its not hitting the mic directly versus if you put your mouth right front of it.
Honestly, with a totally dry vocal track I tend to add some mild reverb during editing too make it more realistic and to get it out of the dead closet sound. The reverb on your "bad" recording has a borderline reverb, which won't hurt in the mix. However, with voice over that reverb world be unacceptable. My personal, unproven theory is that that's the reason why a certain large diaphragm dynamic mic is so widely used in podcasts. Very good video!
When he listened to his overprocessed vocals I could see visible discomfort lmfao
Being really close can be cool too. Depending on mic and singer, and style. Billie Eilish' vocals are generally recorded super close up to the mic, like properly almost kissing it. Recently learned this, before I was just super scared to even try it since it's a just a big no-no in most peoples' book.
i would love to do that but i am soooo fuckin loud and i have so much pressure i make the membrane stick to the frame if i am not FAR away from the mic. but on the brightside i have a very consistent dynamic wich is even more consistent bc i got mictech. also, i have a lisp. with all that a dynamic mic is often way better for me then a condenser.
She doesn't sing, she mumble-talks. Her vocals are more relatable to ASMR than to actual singing. So yeah, she's up on the mic. I dont think she's a good example to follow, unless you're going for that specific genre
@@s0uthpawguitar Nah, there are more examples than her. I've heard other engineers started talking about that "sweet and sexy closeness" that you can only get from being really up close to the mic.
Bottom line is, it's not a no-go to be up close to the mic. Do it if the sound fits the style (and mic).
@@balluse If you're interested in why the mic sounds different super close, look up "proximity effect". Understanding that will help you decide which mics to use for different applications.
It's music, rules have to be broken or you won't get original music 😂
Love seeing these little tests. Let’s us understand that we don’t have to go crazy making sure everything is perfect.
no time wasted, pure content, love this
I found this to be extremely helpful. Really well explained, man.
This guy is so solid. The section where he showed the playroom and how the mix sounds from it was clutch because many people think you need the perfect space to make great music. Subscribed. Always great info.
This is one of the most educative videos I've watched! Thank you!!!
Watched this shortly after it came out and just had YT recommend it again. It's only such a great video! It's always nice getting a little refresher with music.
Thanks for this great practical video. I love the message of your song too!!
Pro tip: If you don't have a pop filter laying around, you can just put pantyhose over your head so that it covers your mouth.
Or do the hush sign as you talk or sing
@@MattDxstined You apparently, didn't get the joke.
@@MattDxstined nah i laughed
And the best recording studio is, in fact, the bank.
Lmao
Hi Joe! I’ve been watching your videos for a while and this one completely nailed it. I was in the studio yesterday with a singer who was slightly far away from the mic and once he realized it sounded louder slightly better when he was closer to the mic he was thinking he may want to sing the whole song over! LOL. This video taught me what I should be doing it to make sure I get the most out of each take. Thank you so much
Every single video in this channel teached me something. Thanks, pal.
Straight forward, down to Earth, honest tutorial. Thank you sir.
Wow the way you teach without all the big technical words 🙏
Gotta say - the vocals sounded great. I actually did find the song on CZcams and had to listen. Like it a lot!
That "too much room" problem is soooo real. After 50 productions I've finally been hit with a vocal with too much "room sound" and I couldn't for the life of me figure out the problem until this video. Thank you!
I recently got recommended your videos and I'm really impressed. Rare to find people explain this stuff so well. I'd say it's In The Mix, but if my cool uncle made the channel! I hope the comparison doesn't bother you, but I just wanted to say, you're amazing, and the examples are so good, it makes the point more obvious. Subscribed, keep it up man!
Hey Joe, what a great piece of tuition! Vocals are so important to me, really helpful, thank you
Brilliant vid thank you from the UK!
Thanks for all your good stuff. I like the way you explain things!
Thank you for sharing your knowledge and helping educate beginners like me! Much appreciated!🙏💖
Joe, so happy to get some tracking videos from you. This is very helpful. Keep them coming! 👍
Awesome video Joe. Very useful and accessible explanations/demonstrations 👍
What a great video, Joe. Thank you. I'm learning!
Really dig and appreciate your vids, brother.
Oh wow I had no idea this was uploaded a few minutes ago, this is so helpful!! Just getting started with my music stuff, and I'm trying my best with the small amount of equipment I got :) and these videos are great for that
Great tips. I think I've made every one of those mistakes. I still sometimes use too much compression on the way in, but I really like the sound of the compressor in my preamp, and sometimes it still works in the song. Thanks.
Great channel with lots of very helpful advice. Thanks for sharing.
Thank you, i love your vocals and advice just subbed. that song sounds like its fire ill deff listen!
I just made my first song with a vocal and this helps a lot. Thank you.
I just recorded a vocal two days ago, and I can definitely hear a reverb sound from my living room, where I record. In the mix, you can't hear the natural reverb. I still have to apply reverb myself.
Thanks for answering my question. Great video.
I think my voice clips. Even when not recording. Thanks Joe! Great video!
Thank you joe! I requested this on another video and you delivered! Great ep by the way! Didn't realize it was available, excellent writing and production. My favorite is beautiful destruction. Thank you sincerely for your service to aspiring musicians and producers like myself. Truly appreciated.
I advise Other viewers to watch other joe guilder videos as ive yet to see one without learning something. But two in particular:
-Good vs. Bad acoustic guitar (flashlight analogy is genius)
-reverb: how to use it
(Eq reverb send was a personal gamechanger)
Keep up the great work brother!
Perfect explanation and perfect timing again. Inspired by you 'how to record acoustic guitar' I started experimenting and being aware of pitfalls you mentioned. Normally I would just put a mic in front and "fix issues later" . Well 12 experiments later I found a sweet spot for me which really didn't need a whole lot fixing. And now We were just about ready to start and record some vocals and this was very helpful and
Some of these vox takes are really great, Joe! The slightly distorted bits (raspiness in your voice) sound really good.
As usual, excellent video!
Thanks!
Yo I fuckin appreciate you showing us the results of your experiment despite them disproving your hypothesis. If more people did this in all areas of life we'd all be a lot happier. Glad I had the chance to learn from your mistake today.
Hi Joe. Dewald from South Africa. Just want to say thanks for dropping the nuggets! Your vids has helped tremendously and it has made a noticeable difference in my recording, mixing and mastering process. Thanks for being a blessing. Lekker (afrikaans for nice)
Thanks for the video. You have a great voice.
Good stuff, also pause it at 6:11
I like it :D
😂😂😂😂😂
Heil Gilder!!!!
NAZI
This new format of teaching is great Joe
Some great tips there. Thanks a million!
How are all of these examples so close in the quality of performance?! Note for note these takes are extremely consistent, it’s blowing my mind !
Great video and your voice is amazing
Just heard the song, is a pleasure to heard you singing in the sound track, you have very warmth voice. Great tips for recording voice. Thank you so much. You are the man. ;)
Even with a pop filter, excessive sibilance can be in issue, depending on the singer. I encountered this with a client once, had her sing off-axis to the mic and it helped a lot. Still used the pop filter. Great video!
Good stuff Joe! Thanks for your help :)
Thanx for pointing out the difference between live sound and studio recording. Some rookies don;t always get the differences. It's the same for performers.
Thank you for this video, you're great at these tutorials
Great tips! Thanks Joe!!
Dude has a legit radio/announcer voice!
Brroooooo he got the voice of an angel.BEAUTIFUL
What a beautiful voice ❤
That's a great home studio! Looks like a very cozy space to create music.
Microphone position (height) is also important. Seen many singers sing into the mic at incredible angles.. 😀
Joe: "can't fix it in the mix" - reverb, clipping, and plosives
RX8: hold my beer
my dude - where were these videos when i needed them a few years ago :(
I usually record my vocal at midnight but always I record that beautiful special sounds of my neighbours too! These microphones are really so sensitive! 😁
I like the bad one better. Am I evil?
1:05: don't clip;
3:26: don't sing too close to the mic, don't touch it;
5:30: don't sing too far (for lead vocals mainly);
6:34: use a pop filter or sing off-axis;
8:16: don't overuse FX.
For the last point, it's more like
Don't overuse preinput fx (or at all)
You can add the fx later, but you can't remove it if you have it before the input.
Just went and listened to "Amen." Wow, those first verse lyrics are especially apropos today. Well done, Joe.
oh. my. GOSH this video is so good. THANK YOUUU.
Great video. I love that song by the way.I’ve listened to all your music on Spotify several times. Fighter and Listen are a few of my faves. I’ve made you probably a penny by now.
Great vídeo! Thanks for sharing.
Sooo good. And I'd throw 1/3 of a cent your way everyday of the week.
You can't put a price on that. 😊
thank you so much it helped me a lot, this is wholesome!!!
Learnt a lot and enjoyed this a lot, thanks!
thats why i love experimenting... i record very close to the mic... maybe a fist away from the mic... thats how you doesnt record that much of your room... doesn't matter if its more low ends... you can still correct it plus i like that in your face sound 😁
In Your Face ☑
*+1 Style Points*
So staying closer to the mic can prevent the feedback from the bad room acoustics to not go into the mic? i have a room which isn’t treated in any way and i have recorded rap vocals with great quality but i notice some takes have feedback in them, how do you prevent that feedback if you don’t got room acoustics, are there any tricks up the sleeve?
@@ChainsTheChef888 yes... but be carefull with your mic gain... you can easly record your vocal distorted... thats why i always check the gain first with the artist who is recording here... you don't have to this is just what i prefer and like :)
@@KI2LA Okey so to go to the correct gain levels i should first rap into the mic very close (not touching it) and start to tweak the knob until in that certain close distance the peak is -10 db, correct?
@@ChainsTheChef888 yes -10 or -12 should be fine :)
Great info Joe. Great voice btw
I like the hopeful message- Amen.
😊
Great video!!! Very helpful
this is an awesome video... I learn alot
Awesome information, thank you!
Great stuff.
first time to watch your tutirial video for vocal...i get a lot of good input 😀💪👍
So helpful, thanks!
Thanks Joe Gilder great tip ! Keeping it Real.
Well, the room sound is very noticeable because I got the same issue and I can hear it right away! There is a lot of resonant frequencies, so you were correct about that. I'm in the way of treating my room hopefully soon I record a vocal that sits right up front on the mix.
I love it. Thanks Joe
Great video!!!!
Yep. I love it. Subbed. I use an SM7b and it's so forgiving.
Great video! Thanks so much!
as always brilliant video
Great video Joe!
Great video (as usual)! :-)
The "bad" take sounded "surprisingly good" because we don't know and hence don't like sounds without reverb. Even outside at least the ground reflects some signal.
So the dry voice is unfamiliar and seems not as good as a more roomy take.
To really compare the 2 takes u should add some reverb to the "good" take, just enough to make it sound naturally. Then it'd become way clearer why we use to record that way.
I've been at this for over "XX"{ (lol) years and hit on a new one with my latest batch of songs. I had the mic lower than I normally have it, with it angled up towards me. Nothing extreme, just slightly off-axis. I got really clean vocals and no plosives as the air "rode" over the mic instead of right into it. Distance was in the 8" or less range or so with a pop filter and it seemed to give me a little more freedom to move. It had the added psychological bonus of being a little less visually conspicuous so it helped me relax as I tend to tense up because I wish I had someone else to be a singer for me. Not having the mic literally "in my face" was quite liberating and I'm pleased with the results.
I knew all of these techniques for better vocals (and watched anyway), but what surprised me was how good (or not bad) the recording in the toy room sounded. I have a vocal session tonight, and I have been watching YT videos, mostly to see if having a reflexion filter is beneficial - I have less than ideal rooms for recording in my home. Mainly, in most examples I heard in my quick searches, the reflexion filter made the vocals sound worse and boxy. Hearing your toy room gives me confidence in knowing that maybe all I need to do is have the vocalist be close enough to the mic. Maybe testament to your $300 mic as as well. I have two cheapish studio condensers but I think the vocalist has an SM58. I may have him bring that tonight and record with both and see what is best for the room. Thanks for the video.
7:22 in a live sound environment you will be using mics like the sm58 that have a pop filter built inside them.
lol "a Lumineers sound and goin 'heey'"
great video!!
thanks for sharing my dude
There is "one" thing you could do if you haven't got a pop-filter (but please get one anyway!) that doesn't only work with plosives but also with all kinds of "s"es.
That is: Automate your Vocals. This trick gives you complete control over how loud every single sound is and how it effects the rest of the mix.
There is also a nice video about this on CZcams by "House Of Kush", I guess.