Texas A&M Upset By Appalachian State - Josh Pate Rapid Reaction (Late Kick Cut)
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- čas přidán 11. 09. 2022
- Appalachian State vs Texas A&M was a game off most radars when the sun rose on College Football's week two Saturday, but by the time it set College Station had been turned upside down after the Mountaineers stunned the Aggies 17-14 at Kyle Field. On Late Kick Live Ep 301 Josh Pate discussed the loss, what it means for each program, and what changes Jimbo Fisher needs to make to the Texas A&M program. With a tough stretch of games coming up, can the Aggies pull the nose up in time to salvage a good season? What does this say about the offense being run and adjustments not being made? Let us know what you think in the comments below and be sure to SUBSCRIBE to the channel and CLICK THE BELL for notifications as we bring you multiple live shows per week!
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Could you imagine if Iowa and AM played? It could go 0-0 for 3 days.
Fortunately there is a 60 minute limit to a game
The game would probably end 2-0 in 4OT.
lol.
The over/under for that game would be 6.5 *with juice on the under*
LOL
The app state crowd brought me to tears of joy for some reason. God I love college football.
App state has always been a feel good story since beating Michigan in ‘07. Happy for them and their fan base.
It brought tears to the Texas A&M fanbase as well.
College Football, the best sport in the world!
Everyone loves an underdog. Nice win Ap. State.
I'ma BAMA fan the video made me feel good, I'm happy for the App state fans and their team congrats mountaineers
As a Tennessee fan I remember when App State came to Knoxville and gave the vols all they wanted and more Tennessee was lucky to win that game nobody should take App State lightly they are criminally underrated
Nobody should have taken them for granted for the past 15 years. Just ask Michigan
@@haroldhall1517 holy hell...for some reason i was thinking the tn vs app st was JG first year as state!!! I just had to look up who our players were lol. I was about to go off on u for saying JG was ANY part of one of the best teams lol. But yes..you are correct...app st did take one of the best tn vold teams fielded in quite some time. What's absolutely mind boggling...that's the same year we beat GA with the hail mary!! And almost got beat by App st all in the same year lol
It's past time to start giving the SunBelt the recognition it deserves. App St takes North Carolina to the wire last week and beats Texas A&M this week. Marshall beats Notre Dame. Georgia Southern beats Nebraska. And the Louisiana Ragin Cajuns extends the longest win streak in the country to 15! They haven't lost since the first game LAST YEAR to Texas!
I think the SBC is better than the PAC-12.
Don’t forget Georgia State only lost to North Carolina by 7 last Saturday also. UNC was very close to being 0-2 thanks to the Sun Belt
@@evanswetnam4731 *1-2 they beat FAMU
Yep and the SB conference games are going to be lit!
@@ButterbeanThe App St at Marshall Nov 12
If A&M loses 4 or more games, the best recruiting class in college football might become the largest transfer portal exodus in college football
Didn't think of that, but, yep, great point
Oh it’s gonna happen . Those L’s are on there way
Hadn't thought about that. That would be very interesting.
Especially in terms of those receivers. 2 of them were top 3 in the nation in the 2022 class. Lots of teams would love to have them
@@justinwalker6320 They can come to Ohio State, WRU would love to have them.
As an FSU fan, this is very bittersweet. Everything always comes full circle. Jimbo left us in a dirty way. And in true Jimbo fashion he's having the same thing play out over there in College Station. Has a plethora of talent, every single year, yet always finds ways to lose in inexplicable ways. Slowly but surely he's bringing that program down. At FSU he started our great, 2010-2013 were his golden years. After that everything was downhill. There are 2 particular players who saved Jimbo and made us look alot better than we really were. And that was Jameis Winston and Dalvin Cook. It's sweet to watch this play out because how dirty he left us, didn't give a shit about us and left a terrible awful culture. And now we are starting to right the ship, it's only taken us 5 years! So it's nice to see Jimbo take himself out like this. He models his game after Saban, but the difference is Saban has evolved with the times. Changed his philosophy and moved himself out of the way and gotten coordinaters in there that know more than him about the current landscape of CF. Jimbo is the exact opposite, refuses to evolve and insists on using his archaic philosophy, refuses to remove himself, he needs to get out of the way and get a real play caller in there. We FSU fans love to see it!! And what's funny is that just this past off-season I'm pretty sure they paid Jimbo a shit load more money!!
I’ve been a Seminole fan for almost 35 years and you said it perfectly. He left the cupboard bare in 2017 - didn’t even bother to recruit or call people back, and he knew in September of that year that he was going to leave.
I could tell in 2015 that the OL was going downhill fast, but Dalvin Cook took that offense on his back and won a lot of games for the Noles. When he and Derwin James left, Jimbo had some questions to answer.
He blamed it on not having enough money and needed better facilities like Clemson had - boosters didn’t give him what he wanted so he dipped. Now he’s in College Station with money coming out of his ears - what is his excuse now?
Jimbo's current stint at Texas A&M reminds me of the disastrously Will Muschamp's experiment at Florida and So. Carolina.
and Texas
Was DC at Texas, they played for a natty
@@dmanwainright2132 yea you’re right. I thought he was the HC at one point. I forgot he moved on before he got it.
Congrats App state y'all played one hell of a game have a team full of heart and fight in you
It’s so hard being an A&M fan. We haven’t won a natty since the Wizard of Oz came out and we haven’t won a conference championship since 1998. Except for the lightning in a bottle that was Manziel and Evans and 2020, we have been an 8-4 and 7-5 team. We have all the resources and an insanely loyal fan base and we score 1 touchdown against a Sunbelt team that has one 4 star recruit. My relationship with Aggie football is like a broken marriage: you think it’s gonna end up working out but you are just met with disappointment as time goes on
Yup a historically mediocre program that thought it would be a good idea to join the SEC. Those Manziel years sure got A&M's self-image way overinflated.
@@kenpumphrey8384 Joining the SEC was obviously the right move. If you think we should have stayed in the Big 12, then I need to check what you’re smoking. Our facilities and resources outbest most SEC schools; the issue is that it we are not consistently competing for the playoff despite all that we have resource and talent-wise.
my entire weekend was ruined from this game
As a Dawgs fan I completely understand where you're coming from.
As a former Auburn lifer..this post about a bad marriage was perfectly put
As an LSU fan, I've listened to this segment 8 times. Music to my ears.
Hey Texas 8&4, I see your FSU and raise you an App State.
They might not go 8&4
Fsu is totally different than app state Fsu is a known brand three national championships five total times in the national title game the most winningest football team in the nation up until four years ago more bowl appearances than any other team up until four years ago 40 consecutive years of winning do not place Fsu in the same Conversation is app state
Just saying
@@marcmurphy5262 my point exactly
Oh Hey, can I borrow that gasoline when your done with it? This end of the TAMU dumpster looks a little dry.
I remember the whispers of Jimbo to LSU years before Les was fired. Thank heavens that never happened!!
App State shocking A&M is what proves these super conferences aren’t what people want to watch. College football is more than that. App State’s coach tearing up on the sideline after the upset. That shit is what makes this sport special. Not just the top 25 matchups
@Chandler Russell that’s…the point of my comment. Have you not seen everyone saying we should get rid of the cupcake games and just have 64 teams in 2 super conferences?
@@WalterFlanagin good point on that super conference idea
The reaction of the APP State fans was beautiful!
I've always felt like Appalachian State was a Dark Horse Team that could surprise people.
The Question was WHAT Game they would prove themselves to be.
They lost to North Carolina in a Scoring Frenzy, only to Be a Defensive BRICK WALL Against Texas A&M.
All I have to say is... Well Done, App State!
If They Win Out, who knows how much they can shake up the Rankings. But it is a BIG IF for App State, so Let's see what they can do in Conference Play.
I agree
A ready built app state got Eli Drinkwitz his SEC coaching job. That's a good program. Better than the coaches at it. Somehow it just chugs along.
Look back at 2007. Biggest upset in college history 😂
@@MountainVisions They had a coach that spent 30 years building the culture there. A lot of those guys are in one way or another still involved with the program.
Great comments on TAM. Truthful but accurate. Miami will be another tough game coming up. Great insight
As an App State alumnus, we won because we know what we are as a football team. We have an identity and we stick to it, in spite of having five offensive coordinators in five years. We run the ball and dare you to stop it. Texas A&M is trying to forge an identity despite coaching stability. Our culture won that game for us.
Forget all the high-falutin talk. Good coaching and good players won the game, period.
As an A&M alum, I completely agree with this statement. No offensive identity since Jimbo has been there. Congrats to App St on a great win.
A&M
Hasn’t had a offensive identity since Manzel
And Jimbo is the kind of coach that will lie during police questioning to keep his players out of the penitentiary and on the field.
Jimbo’s old Offensive scheme is terrible. Elite high school WR’s and QB’s prospects have gone to A&M to die. They sign and you never hear from them again. Jimbo won at FSU because he had a great player in Jameis Winston. However, any scheme would have been successful with Jameis.
Hell of a game by App State! Those stats were brutal for A&M! 😬
All that money spent on players and coaches. 10 million a year for a coach to call speed option when he dips in his “bag” 😂
I remember telling an A&M fan right after they signed that “ best recruiting class in history” that it’s not just about signing the best, it’s about coaching them up and putting them in the best position to win as well or those guys won’t be sticking around very long. Especially in this new transfer portal era.
As an A&M fan, if we don’t change the offensive philosophy, we will lose every game this season. Jimbo is losing support at the speed of light at A&M right now with the current state of this offense.
I'm a FSU fan and when I tell you that Jimbo is stubborn, that might be an understatement. Our offensive line sucked for years and he would never get rid of the coach. He is a control freak like most coaches but at a different level. I hope you guys can find a way to figure it out because I know the fans have to be agitated.
@@carolinaKing864 It’s not just that it’s the current state of the offense. We’ve seen it year after year. We have just been giving him the benefit of the doubt because either “we’re waiting for his roster to be fully his” or “we lost our starting QB.” It’s year 5 and we’ve given you all the resources you could ever ask for and that is 100% your roster. It’s time for the excuses to end and time for him to look in the mirror at what’s really the issue for this program right now: him.
@@willhartwig6002 you will continue to be highly disappointed unless you guys grab a once in a lifetime QB.
Jimbo is old school enough to have practiced all week for Miami , assuming they could sleep walk to victory over App st. Probably didn't even know what kind of offense app ran
every time I see y'all run speed option for no gain or negative yards I just laugh. Y'all paying $10M a year for this play calling?🤣
The thing about Jimbo’s offense is he always gameplans for the level of competition he’s facing. Look at the plays he runs when we’re facing bama, Florida, Clemson, North Carolina, etc… and then look at the plays we run against app state, and literally any non conference game. Side note, game planning like that effects the way the way players play. Watch what we do next weekend against Miami, it probably is gonna look nothing close to the plays we were running last week.
Jimbo Fisher is an incredibly average coach that got incredibly lucky for a year at FSU.
You got that right
Yup. I was screaming for him to let go of the offense before '13. He sucks at OC.
Very, VERY sadly I believe you are right.
Lucky plus had a pro level QB
I think we can win the national championship with him, we will see over the next 2 years
In case it wasn't already known, it should be known by now: App State does not care who your team is or what they're ranked. They will play the game to the absolute hilt every time. I've never seen a Mountaineer game where they weren't playing like it was the last game ever.
Jimbo Fisher is the most overrated coach in the FBS today, and has been for over a decade. I'm flabbergasted how every year he underperforms and nobody (media especially) seems to realize that his bar is middle of the pack, not anywhere near playoff.
Man I was shocked when A&M hired him and people sounded optimistic lol the recruiting class hype never fooled me these guys just haven't looked good any of the years he has been there minus COVID year.
Thanks to Jimbo you can reuse this thumbnail for every A&M game recap for the rest of the season. Saves y'all a bit of time.
That's a pretty brutal indictment of Jimbo but I am pretty much right with you Josh. Sadly, I just can't see Jimbo hitting the Reset button and making substantial changes ala Saban. He's loyal and stubborn to a fault.
Should've never left FSU
I was an assistant coach and worked for offensive minded head coaches. They will NOT easily hand over offensive coordinator's duties to anyone. Many times guys like that are the slowest to change of any coaches. Offensive line coaches and Defensive coaches are usually early adopters and will change if it benefits their craft and helps them win. Offensive coordinators and QB coaches are notoriously "little professors". They know what they know and won't get out of their comfort zone. This is what I see in Jimbo. I was at a coaching clinic at Samford University in 1990 where he was speaking as an assistant for Terry Bowden. He hasn't changed since then.
Agreeably Spoken Josh! I’m sick of Jimbo out dated offense! I love my Aggies but it is hard to watch games going forward!
Now game day is headed to Boone for app state vs Troy this Saturday.
Hail merry
I love the breakdown you showed between 4-5 star recruits of both schools and the finances. It just shows you "thats why they play the game". On any given day there is a upset waiting to happen under the right curcumstances.
Jimbo lost the plot with this one. Not sure you can recover from that sort of embarrassment. Absolutely pathetic. But unfortunately with the way these ridiculous contracts are these days, he won't be on the hot seat.
“They came there buying into a vision” is a weird way to describe NIL enticements
Michigan fans...we understand Aggies, we understand and welcome to the club.
😂😂😂
I remember not long ago having discussions w/ Aggie fans as they teased me about LSU's Attrition issues. I remember as if it were yesterday telling them that they would find out when the season started how hard it is to be successful with that much talent. Everyone hates Coach Sanan but I'm most impressed with his he manages his players. A&M will find out how many players bolt to the Portal. Talent alone is not enough.
Fun fact:
Arkansas St., UL-Lafayette, & App. St. have rarely beaten Power 5 teams.
ALL 3 have beaten Texas A&M 🤣🤣🤣
This segment is one of the best segments in Late kick history if you ask me. Youre dropped facts here. I was telling somebody the other day if the wheels fall off there is a world where they go 4-8. That schedule is insane.
I guess it resonates to me as a Georgia fan.
The Sun Belt Conference deserves some major respect.
App st is a heartbreaker
Longhorn fan here. My sincerest praise to the Sun Belt Conference!
Josh your the man. Wished you would have been at razorback game Saturday. Always watch your shows.
You make a good point. We all could guess app state would put up 17 or more. But to keep Texas a&m to 14 in their home. Wild as hell. Jimbo might be feeling some heat. Guess West Virginia is in his sights after all.
As an A&M fan, I hope Jimbo is feeling some heat. I know he's losing support from the fan base very quickly, but he's too stubborn to make the necessary changes.
Their offense struggled last week. They played a better team. If things don’t change it’s going to be a long season for them
LET’S GO CANES ! 🔥
Just re-watched the highlights and maaan Pate.. love to watch a coaching masterclass. That's what college football is all about. Love it when a 1-AA team comes to play with the most sound fundamentals with better play calling and limited mistakes and brings a winning mentality, and a Fuck all the talk about the stars on the field, what are you really doing on the field with the guys you bring in attitude that comes to overcome the odds. This should've been a Ed Norton curbstomping on paper. It's nice to see the little guy win every now and then ain't it too? Lol
App State is no longer a 1-AA team and hasn't been since 2016. They are a FBS program.
Josh you actually get me to hit the like button by saying “Don’t leave yet! Don’t leave yet!” Well played sir.
Outstanding analysis! Kudos to Appalachian State. I was stunned watching this game as well, glad I didn't bet on this one.
I had great couple days. I went to Appalachian State and they were big underdogs and won. My high school who's games I never missed were 16 points underdogs and they won to go to 4-0. Go Mountaineers!! Go Yellow Jackets!!
Way to go App State! Jimbo's seat is getting warmer.
That video of the celebration reminds me greatly of how downtown Uvalde, Texas was when the San Antonio Spurs beat the Miami Heat in the NBA Finals in 2014. People took to the streets, trucks went flying by with Spurs flags, the bars were madhouses, and cars everywhere honked their horns in celebration. The town square was alive with joy as the Spurs came back in 2014 after falling short in 2013 and got the job done. It was a great experience to watch and be a part of.
I live in boone and am not a huge football fan, I usually sneak to walmart during the games because theres almost no one else there. I got caught in the celebration on the back side of campus on my way home and it was a surreal sight for our little mountain town
We're never gonna live this down. Congrats to App state
As a Oregon duck fan i can with certainty that you will live it down, trust me
im not from nc im from tn and i started liking app state years ago. i was stunned at how well they played saturday, that was one hell of a game.
And that’s the best part, app state was supposed to be a beat down team and was paid alot of cash to be that. Supposed win for a&m
This is an awesome commentary! Josh tells it like it is!!
I'd like to see a college team come out and run something like we ran 50 years ago in my jr. High which was the notre dame short punt formation developed by Knute Rockne at Notre Dame in the 1930's
We had 3 running backs and a blocking back/reciever with an unbalanced line to the right. We used line power and large strong backs to overpower most of our opponents.
"We talk about winners first on this show" damn son
That was an atrocious loss from Jimbo Fisher. If he is blown out by Miami next week ( which is highly possible) he should be immediately fired and get the Arkansas/Bret Bielima treatment, forcing him in a lawsuit for the remainder of his contract within the Texas state judicial system. He screwed AM, so they should return the favor.
I can't wait to see how many hit the portal come December 1st.
The game stats 🤯 they dominated
Who cares we lost, Texas should be the Alabama too but they didn't what's the difference, Jimbo Fisher's a lousy coach and check this a&M's an average program look at what we've done over the last 30 40 years nothing
@@johnmandock56 believe me man. I’ve had my fair share of the jimbo years. It was rough. Besides 2013 we rarely dominated. Teams like Troy would compete with us. We either lost by a little or won by a little. He hasn’t adapted like Josh has said.
I’ve been saying that about his offense for years. It’s outdated and he refuses to change. Dabo and Clemson is the same way. They can’t out class you with athletes anymore edpicially at QB. Max Johnson has to start and Cade at Clemson as well
there is literally no need to start Cade rn when DJ's outplaying him. just ease him into it. Clemson's recruiting classes are about the same if not better on paper than when they were winning Natty's. they've just missed on key positions and have had the worst string of injuries during Dabo's tenure.
The QB isn't really the problem, Max Johnson would just get blown up, the o-line was horrible
This just proves hard work and perseverance and dedication beats NIL.
Subscribed and Liked...very good analysis
What a day for the Sun Belt Conference. Appalachian State beats Texas A&M, Marshall beats Note Dame, and Georgia Southern Bests Nebraska causing Scott Frost to lose his HC job.
All 3 wins on the road....
All 3 SBC teams +15 point underdogs.....
I think what we might be seeing here with this new NIL stuff is what you see in the NFL - kids get some money in their pocket and forget their job is to play hard on every down. Once they get that bag they just don't try as hard or care as much.
Late Kick Fans when He Kicks Early: 😥 (Idk i think his name is Posh Jate or sumthin.)
To add to your point. Ohio State had a terrible defense last year, Ryan Day literally cleaned house. Fired many different defensive coordinators, and made a home run hire in Jim Knowles. OSU started as one of the best defenses in the country. Texas A&M's offense has struggled and he still won't change.
After I watched a@m week 1, I thought they sucked. So I took app st. +19. Wish I’d have bet every dime I have now, instead of the paltry $15.
Incredible win, once again, for the 'Neers. I have no idea why a P5 school would schedule App State LOL. There is no upside...win and you should have, lose and possibly go into a 10 or more year rebuild. May need to pump the brakes though, this was Texas A&M after all.....they have been on a near 90 year rebuild. Michigan on the other hand...not so much. Congrats App State!
Michigan was ranked number five in the nation, when app State beat them and they went to the Rose bowl that year
I love that we scheduled App State. We should have put it in the contract that if we take the L we pay double. We got exactly what we deserved and gave App State exactly what they deserved. I hope this is the low point for A&M, but there's gotta be some real self-reflection going on.
The offense is terrible, I hope we don't get blown out this week
Well, luckily for Jimbo / A&M my canes secondary looks pretty suspect. Here's hoping they can overcome it and beat A&M and send them spiraling.
Dale Jones from Cleveland, Tennessee is the defensive coordinator. A member of the 1985 SEC Champions UT Vols!
Josh, after my son's college football experience was over (Texas A&M, btw) - I thought I'd lose interest in your show. But I continue to watch and love your product. Keep up the great work.
Haynes King should of been pulled out second quarter. JOHNSON should of came in with his experience and the Wr's we have it would of been game
Lol not with how the o-line was getting blown up
As a aggie and cowboys fan my football season couldn't have started much worse..
Literally the most delusional fan bases haha
God bless you for actually pronouncing our school correctly 🙌🏼
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A&M "could" flip the script. Was shocking to see Calzada go wild for a game vs. Bama last year when they looked dead. But for now, at first blush I'm thinking they are 6-6 this year.
All i’m gonna say is, this weekend was a perfect example of why we should expand the playoff (I know it’s happening). Sun belt came to play and take peoples money.
I'd say the opposite. Notre Dame and A&M would be in according to an expanded field. Based on rankings. Alot of teams could do what App and Marshall did... obviously. Beating those two teams doesn't qualify as entry to the CFP. We get blowouts in a four-team field. Expansion is going to generate even more blowouts. How is that a good thing?
It wouldn't matter. The expanded teams will get blown out. Cincinnati is proof of that. It's a money grab and not a way for the top 12 to compete. I don't believe a team with 2-3 loses should even be considered when it's possible the top 4 11-1 or 12-0
I see both of you completely missed the point.
@@Quawnn So what was the point? You think adding two Sun Belt teams is competitive? All this weekend did was add proof that A&M and ND were (preseason) ranked highly because of feelings.
@@timkinley1779 nah man. The point is to fire back at the people who say the talent pool is the only thing that matters and that being their only reason for not expanding. I do agree, they were both overrated lol. But an expansion will have these types of games happening every year.
Miami is about to end Jimbo
Kick out Missouri and add App St in the SEC
I'd like to see a change to eligibility rules and allow 6 years instead of 4 years with a redshirt option. I think that would be a simple way to bring more of a competitive balance to CF.
Honestly I was impressed with app states defense they showed they have a good offensive potential in the end of the unc game now a great defense I think they deserve 25 seed
Love your content
Once again you've nailed it.
Everything you said is spot on !
i think its safe to say that michigan has finally recovered from losing to appalachian state back in 2007. texas a&m has recieved a lot of fallout from losing to them last saturday
Jim Harbaugh is a good comparison too. After 2017 and 2018 he realized some kind of change was necessary. Despite handing over the defense to a coordinator every single year. Made the move and won the big ten 3 years later.
My wife and I were watching this game and she was wondering why we were as this would be a boring game. I told her that App State is a surprisingly adept sports college and can’t be taken for granted. We ended up changing the channel. I know enough not to irritate the boss - I also know enough to not say ‘told ya.’
I love your speak, Josh. Your know football.
Jesus….JP said everything I was thinking about Jimbo. He’s right on the money about Jimbo not wanting to lose his grip of the offensive philosophy. If you pay attention to the way Saban runs things during the game i feel like he’s just over seeing everything but not necessarily directly involved. More like just holding his coordinators accountable. That’s what a head coach should be. But every offensive minded head coach is similar to Jimbo in how it’s their way or the highway when it comes to offense.
Would Nick say that Jimbo didn't get much bang for his buck on that purchase?
Great job!
I assumed App St would give A&M a good game, with A&M winning by 10-14 pts, but a win. But App St winning the way they did, then Marshall beating Notre Dame, and how many FCS schools over FBS schools? Yeah, they were games like Buffalo losing to Holy Cross, but WOW! I see a 2007 type season happening right before our eyes, but instead of it being the #2 team that's got the curse, it's gonna be alot of FCS over FBS, and G5 over ranked FBS teams. I can just see it happening and the crowd will be wanting that 12 team playoff this December. Thast why I love college football!!!!
How can they change offenses in the middle of the year?
A&M didn't look good week one and this was foreseeable. App State got a few turnovers and took it to the Aggies.
Everyone in the ACC had Jimbo figured out before he even went to A&M.
With all the week 2 upsets, what was worse, Georgia's week 1 beatdown of Oregon, Notre Dames loss to Marshall, or A&Ms upset to App State?
Funny that it's time for Jimbo to do what Bobby Bowden did and become more of a coach/ manager while Jimbo and Mickey handled the coordinating 😂😂
It’s great be a Mountaineer. Now you have the Canes. You look like you will be 1-3.
I don’t understand how five stars on offense go to A&M
This is why every conference should have a champions berth in a fair playoff system, just like every other tournament in the NCAA.
I would love to hear someone break down the offensive concepts that are outdated and why they don't work today.