The Aegises Explained - Xenoblade Chronicles 2
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I think Pyra is based off of every insult that she received during Torna
I doubt think Pyra is necessarily lacking in compassion as Jin said at the beginning of Torna.
@@biv2579 What Zak meant was that everything that Mythra was criticized about being bad at, Pyra does exceedingly well.
Pyra is everything mythra isnt
@@LainK1978 If I'm remembering correctly, Pyra is still bad at cooking, right?
Rob Hillen pyra literally have a skilled called cooking in the game.....
If the Aegises are basically super computers that are so advanced that they can warp reality then why can't mythra/pyra just code themselves into smash?
edit: this comment has aged like wine
Stalin ,exe Sakurai is a higher god
Conduits gone so they don’t have their powers now
They did... As spirits
because the conduit's gone, they only had the power to get into smash as a spirit
Lord sakurai controls the ageis and thus limits their power
Xenoblade games are just really drawn out sci-fi explanations of how furry anime creatures called Nopon could actually exist
tHeReS sOmEtHiNg AbOuT tHiS pLaNeT
Finally concluding with Xenoblade Y the 20th game in the series starring the new Heropon on a quest to undo the universe split. Homs and Ganglion eventually mated with each other and team up with the blades who now run BLADE. The Nopon have become part Telethia, but only our main character Ritsura cannot become a Telethia, until he finds a random red sword that can talk and sees the future. The battle system only has one art per character, but because the red sword can talk, only you can use 18.
So how many games till there is an actual explanation on how Nopons could actually exist?
yes
“Furry” and “Anime”, you say?
Sounds like a certain Anime watching Scientist Lizard..
"The same year competitive Melee reaches its logical extreme"
My sides.
sMaSh ReFeReNcEs ?
lol this aged well
Dont let what Klaus did distract you from the fact that he created Cat Girls. Absolute Chad👌
He did what Elon can only dream of accomplishing
*Aegises* : "We are the strongest thing to exist"
*Eye of shining justice Zeke, Alvis, and the wind knucle blade* : "Allow us to introduce ourselves"
@@Emily848 nope
I mean at least for the wind knuckle blade, no explanation is needed
Poppi QT pi be like *Bruh*
Didn’t people say Alvis is the 3rd Aegises? Tho i believe he isn’t. Cause Klaus didn’t know where the 3rd one shift to. So i reckon that busted the Alvis is a Aegises theory.
@@xxargonautxx9790 Ever played Xenoblade Chronicles: Definitive Edition?
People when XB2 came out: ALVIS ISNT ONTOS
XB DE: say sike
I actually love Pneuma the most even tho she had the least screen time
I feel the same way.
Just like Haru in P5
I felt the same. Probably because Pneuma was the best of both Pyra and Mythra in one. They did a great job conveying that concept through her design and very small snippets of dialogue, speech, and gestures during the short screen time Pneuma had.
@@SheerrCold her voice is also so smooth, I could listen to her whisper in my ear for days. It's like asmr for me. Who is her ca?
@@HollowPurple-if2co u mean her Va?
Same as Pyra and Mythra,Skye Bennett.
Core Crystals were based on technology that was used to mimic human brain cells. It is implied that the same technology was also used to create the biological computer that runs the Zohar, the Trinity Processor. Therefore, the Aegises are already made from the same stuff as core crystals
I'd argue it's the other way around. The core crystal tech is based off of the Trinity Processor. The conclusion is the same either way. Both are the same "stuff."
It was also confirmed that logos, pneuma, ontos, all grew up in a simulation type of existence before becoming activated. This was confirmed in the figurine. This means before blades were actualized into their own beings, the trinity processor was already becoming its own being or form of life. This is expressed as this sentience wanting to expand and adapt with humanity as a shared desire to improve upon lifes problems. At least thats how I see it.
Let's not forget that every core cristal sends data to the Aegis's cores, and this data also helps shape the personality and experience of the Trinity Processor's cores.
i can just see addam spouting dad jokes at *every* opportunity
I think Amalthus sensed the Aegis' were core crystal like. When Rex holds a core crystal for the first time, they imply a certain sensation happens, that if one tries to focus on, begins the "awakening" process of a blade, which may or may not fail. Despite their foreign appearance to him, I think Amalthus could feel that sensation, which he must have been familiar with since he had Minoth already at that point, so had awakened blades before. Amalthus thus didn't try to awaken till he got back. He tried Malos first and the rest is history.
If you think about it, Shulk was Alvis’ driver, and Alvis was Shulk’s blade
Duh
@@ontos8534 That’s not very nice
Exactly
Always thought that way
Need to go deeper when analyzing a Xeno game. Ontos, Logos, and Pneuma in term of trinity of mind, body, and soul.
Alvis is pure logical, whoever wields him gets to use his power to create or restore reality; Malos is pure strength, dominating absolute power; Mythra debates the morality of power over life and death.
In terms of one becomes three, there is also the classic id, ego, and super ego; or in simple term, instinct, reality, and morality. The three of them may have the exact same power, just chose to exhibit different them differently based on one third of personality.
Malos exhibit the baser instinct, id, he does what he want, just pure take and destroy. He might also have reality warpping power, but he doesn't rely on higher function of the Trinity. Alvis is the rule and consequences part of personality, the ego, follows the rule set by Klaus, the creator of the world, he doesn't use any power his owner doesn't want to use. Mythra is the moral part of personality, the super ego, concerns with consequences of an action above what rule enables. She would best limits her power as to not conduct immoral action and exceed her capability as she needs, independent of orders from her driver.
It's really difficult to discuss anything in a Xeno title without bringing up theology, psychology, and philosophy. There are so many layers to interpret the capabilities of the Aegis and by extend the Trinity Processor as well as the Zohar that it was based on.
@MarlinTheClownfish What's the evidence against it? I thought Ontos was a perfect match with Alvis' description of himself in the original xenoblade
@MarlinTheClownfish From we have seen on Ch 10, the three Aegis are equal in triangular form. Since the game specifically calls them "core", it implies each Aegis is a CPU core of sort on the Trinity Processor.
Each core on a computer could have different functionalities, but in general computing all core are the same, just a fraction of overall scheme.
Combine with the director's love of philosophy, that let me to think all three core can access the same power, probably just conduits for Zohar. So, they just exhibits different powers due to each being one third of an overall sentient computer, one third of personalities. Classically separated into id, ego, and super ego.
Honestly, the big thing for me is Klaus's wording when he described how he re-created the world. He said that Ontos, Logos, and Pneuma were the cornerstones of the creation of the Blades. Such wording implies that Ontos was still around when he came up with that.
And if that's the case, Alvis wouldn't be Ontos, as he would have vanished much sooner.
@@MrSentinel07 No, Klaus says that Logos and Pneuma were, but Ontos triggered a spacetime transition event and disappeared before Klaus got the chance to do that. From the way he worded it, it's entirely possible that this event was simultaneous with the experiment, meaning Alvis would be there to resonate with Zanza and Meyneth and thus give them their powers.
@Condor7215 well youre wrong and Alvis is actually Ontos.
It’s my personal theory that ontos and logos were the “equal opposites” that were supposed to counteract each other, while pneuma is more representative of human emotion. With ontos out of the picture and logos destroying the world, pneuma was forced to be the peacekeeper. This would explain why pneuma’s power is very different from logos’s. Also, because pneuma represented human emotion and human will, she was the only one capable of resetting the world once she had found the right driver
When malos destroys objects, I think he is eliminating the ether.
Because a Monado can control ether, I believe that all aegises can manipulate ether.
The Monado isn’t from the power of a Aegises or to really say, Alvis isn’t Ontos. If so, why did Klaus say he didn’t know where Ontos went to when it shifted. You think Klaus could easily recognise a Aegises or something that uses their powers.
@@xxargonautxx9790
Lol definitive edition go brr
@@xxargonautxx9790 I love it when people saying this knowing fully if Xenoblade DE
@@xxargonautxx9790 Alvis is totally Ontos, lol. He knows way too much to be a simple Homs, and then there is the huge hint they added in DE by making his necklace into an Aegis Core Crystal. You can deny it if you want, but you'd be wrong.
@@xxargonautxx9790 Alvis is Ontos and the Monado is an aegis sword. I think everything points towards this being the case.
So basically Rex is into computers
Isn't everyone when they look like big blade wifius?
Computer waifu
Yes he's into a red haired humanoid computer girl and he's not ashamed of it the man wants what he wants we just gotta respect that 🤣
And cat girls apparently
“I’m pretty dumb either way” says the actual scientist
There is an effect where someone who is experienced in their field are more likely to underestimate their abilities while people who are novices are more likely to overestimate their abilities.
@@louiesatterwhite3885 Knowledgable people know how much they don't know. Ignorant people have no idea. :D
It's a real irony with the world.
@@louiesatterwhite3885 Called the Dunning-Kruger effect, if anyone wants to look it up
Malos could've never been able to achieve his ascended state because he needs his Driver to do that and Amalthus doesn't really get along well with Malos. If Malos was at his Ascended state (Logos), who knows what would happen. Logos would possibly have access to even more Monado commands. Namely the ones Shulk uses that we have never seen Malos use. Like Speed.
Or purge, enchant, shield. Malos does have a unique one, being Jail.
@@louiesatterwhite3885 and eater :)
@@meisterschwert both Malos and Shulk use monado eater
@@louiesatterwhite3885 Oh, it's in a side quest I didn't do.
Regarding Ophion being under Pyra's control, Mythra thought that Ophion was destroyed by Malos in the war. So when it came time for her to seal away all of her destructive abilities from Pyra, it could be that she just forgot to clear her of Ophion's control codes, since that weapon was supposedly destroyed and thus there'd be no point in doing so. She wouldn't have been capable of predicting that in a few decades from then the Tantalese would be capable of reviving such advanced weaponry all by themselves.
Yeah im pretty surr Pyra just meant her Artifice, as in Mythra's, becuase sometimes she doesnt differentiate between herself and mythra.
Guys . . .
it's confirmed . . .
pnuema is the reality stone
Ya know,now that I think about it...
Pyra’s more Red. The Reality Stone Is Red. Pyra is a “different self” that Mythra constructed. The Reality Stone does what’s in the name. She was more of a disguise of sorts,considering her interactions with Malos before the end of Chapter 3.
Mythra’s more(Technically Maybe White)Yellow. The Mind Stone is Yellow. Mythra is the “mind” behind the disguise. She may not be really controlling Pyra’s thoughts and actions,but considering the end of Torna,I’d say it was(in context of the Mind Stone)her controlling herself to suppress the knowledge of and how to use her power.
Malos is more Black(though he’s also associated with Purple say his Blade Shield,his Core Crystal,and the energy Blade of his Sword,not to mention the lights on his Sword as well). The Power Stone is Purple. Malos of course as an Aegis is naturally super powerful. The Power Stone pretty much makes stuff it touches explode which lets it ricochet off said explosions,to cause even more destruction. And what was Malos’ goal? To wipe out “Humanity” or likely rather all sentient life.
Hmm...and now we have the Space Stone. Screw it,it’s Ontos or what everyone believes to be Alvis(BTW,go watch the Ontos Video). The Space Stone opens you Wormholes that let you travel anywhere. Ontos triggered a Space Time Transition whatever and disappeared. Kind of a copout but ya know what screw it.
And lastly the Time Stone. Meh,probably is Pneuma. I mean,she sped up Azurda’s Regeneration thing,accelerated Rex to Lightspeed(also kind of a copout but lol whatever),and Py,My,and Pneuma all have Green Core Crystals,which of course are all basically the same being,so therefore the same crystal.
But now we ask...WHO is the Soul Stone?
MMarshmellow MMarshmelow YESS!! MYTHRA AND PYRA IS AN AVENGER NOW!!!!!
Evanator Extreme Or Mythra is the EGO STONE or the seventh stone that can destroy the whole world.
@@evanatorextreme1065 I think that Ontos(aka Alvis) would be the Soul Stone. He was clearly the most logical and powerful of the 3 Trinity Cores, and while the other 2 Aegis are still incredibly powerful without him, they took a significant hit to their overall abilities, much like the Stones do without the Soul Stone to govern their full potential.
I wonder if Malos has another form like how Mythra becomes Pneuma but since Malos and his driver weren't working together he was unable to awaken it.
*Logos*
Pyra is still my favorite aegis even though she's the weakest I also loved the video great job on it
Lucas Lino remember when Pneuma told Rex he can call her Pyra if he wants to? It’s the same person. Or do you remember when Pyra/Mythra are talking to Klaus and he literally calls her/them Pneuma? You know, the guy who created everything
Obviously Ontos is Tatsu, Duhhh
From computer to potato.
The best kind of evolution.
Nick Bullinger From computer to an actual cave rat to potato
From potato to AI
if you don’t get this, play portal 2.
So the fird aegis Sword can be beaten by cooking it?
Ok. Why not?
I like to think that the reason behind why Pyra isn't weaker when she splits her core crystal is because the two parts are still in communication with one another and it would make sense with her retaining her memories when she is brought back
Luxin why are the computers hot?
ask the architect
klaus has some explaining to do...
Who doesn’t want to bang a laptop bro? *insert that USB into the port*
@@RevAustin68 is that a yugioh abriged reference?
Phoenix Rants I’m glad someone got the reference lol
I'm still curious as to why Malos, the blade of an Indoline, from Indol (ofc), is wearing armor in a similar style to that worn in Torna. For Jin, it makes sense, he was likely a Tornan heirloom, and Akhos, Patroka and Mikhail based their outfits on those of old Torna probably at Jin's request.
Perhaps Amalthus held some fondness for the country? Or maybe he wanted to see it destroyed by a twisted mockery of itself.
Minoth could've been of Tornan origin, since Amalthus claims he bought cores from Gort. Or Minoth just decided he liked the style of Torna and just changed clothes
And three years later I’m gonna posit that Torna’s place in the world of Alrest being known as the strongest country and having annihilated numerous titans throughout the greater history of Alrest to the point of having to seal away the Tornan titan’s true form is what influenced Amalthus’ perception of what world-ending power would look like. The Tornan peoples.
@@Boulder7685 This makes a lot of sense actually (also 3 years huh. wack).
Malos, Jin, Mikhail, Akhos and Patroka were designed by the same person, Tetsuya Nomura, I guess he wanted to gave them some form of visual thematic before knowing the full picture of the lore, same goes for Masatsugu Saito, the designer of the Aegis sisters and many of the main cast. he made them visually flashy before knowing the full lore of the characters, and thats pretty normal, many artists that participate in those kind of big projects normally receive a vague description and direction for the characters they design so to not spoil something on accident and allow them some creative liberties.
"A backup to run
pyra/mythra. Exe. ....... That's the best thing I've heard
Honestly, I think Malos would've been able to access an ascended form like Pyra & Mythra did if he had a...well, a more moral driver. Klaus on the XC2 end of things was certainly more peaceful, and likely intended both of the processors to be peaceful entities, and it's the imprint of Amalthus onto the Logos Core that corrupted him. Stuff like deep intentions that one wouldn't admit publicly, etc. etc.
Imagine if Malos could've been connected with Rex in NG+, and when awakened and hit Trust S with him, he can could access a Logos form.
5:20 "he was *likely* a driver before awakening Malos" you do know that in Torna The Golden County Minoth says that the last time he saw Amalthus was before he climbed the world tree, so that means he was already a driver before he climbed the world tree
Now I want to play Xenoblade 2 again.
I really wish that Malos had a final form or his true form call “Logos” just like Pneuma
I feel like it’s possible that he could’ve, but he was just so limited to grow because of his driver
@@ryant367 Yes! This is why I love Malos. His story is so tragic. He could've acended too, but Amalthus corrupted him and it's so unfortunate. I cried at the end.
I see, I never thought it, that he couldn’t ascend too
He probably does have one, but because he's not bonded to a Driver anymore, his full capabilities are locked away.
Don't forget in Torna, there was the scene where Malos simply aimed at a grail in Indol with that desctruction energy emitting from his hand and it just instantly erased it from existence as destruction particles rained down after its erasure.
pneuma, logos, and alvis now those are some great computers
It would be very interesting to see a timeline where Amalthus chooses to awaken Pneuma while Rex/Addam awaken Logos
It would be interesting because Rex/Addam would theoretically obtain a Monado(kind of, considering that Malos has access to Monado arts)
Also if the ais has personalities before there drivers means Mythra Pyra and malos and ontos all still had their “I don’t really care about the world and I wanna die for no reason” personality (which I like since they have character development) plus when ontos disappears I believe pneuma substitutes into two aegises also it seems that ophion was ontos artifice because of alvis and ophions colors but Pyra has to substitute for Alvis In torna mythra automatically switches to Pyra so she knows pyras there but for the sake of killing malos shes mythra
No it wouldnt 👎🏻 there would be no waifus
That would be cool because, honestly, without counting his nihilist side, Malos is a pretty fun guy, who likes chilling and doing dumb stuff for fun.
On the other hand, mythra, the original personality of Pneuma, is aggresive, violent, and somehow a bit overreactive.
That would have been intersting.
That would be cool because, honestly, without counting his nihilist side, Malos is a pretty fun guy, who likes chilling and doing dumb stuff for fun.
On the other hand, mythra, the original personality of Pneuma, is aggresive, violent, and somehow a bit overreactive.
That would have been intersting.
The conduit can “defy all laws of physics”
I high-key want to see the third Aegis if it were a blade.
Play Xenoblade 1
Alvis and Shulk's Monado
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@@Dualgas SPOILERS
@@Dualgas Not confirmed though. Just likely.
@@skeletonwar4445 It's confirmed now...they changed his kneckless into a "red" Aegis like core cristal...and all the blades are just Monados sooo
Sever being in the thumbnail is the biggest amount of screen time he’s ever gotten
I'm totally going to use Mythra.exe and Pyra.exe now haha.
Theory idea: Do the Aegises run a Linux distro considering the core crystal on them is essentially an embedded system?
They use Arch (btw)
@@sg79453 😂😂😂
So the aegis tier list seems to be
Pyra --> Malos (weakened after torna) ---> Mythra --> Malos (with his monado and full power) ---> Mythra (with the third sword at the end of torna) --> Pnuema, (who utelisez the full power of the trinity core and by extension the data of all life.)
Essentially, Pneuma only came out when the core and the driver were in perfect sync, alone and as a blade, they would not be able to use the full power of the Pnuema core, hence why mythra was unable to turn into Pnuema at the end of torna, she was emotionally in sync with Adam, but she was still acting on her own. This leaves Ontos who is just doing his own thing in xenoblade 1 and Logos. If Malos was able to transform into an ascended state or use the power of the master blade, he could potentially be even more powerful than Pneuma. However Malos can not ascend because he is not in sync with amalthus, his driver.
Just finished this and XC1 back to back so I’ve really been enjoying your videos
Soooo if alvis was in xc2, his weapon would be the Monado
The timing of this video is so ridiculous yet good cause I just beated Torna, so I couldnt be happier to have more Xenoblade content
Flash drive swords that warp space-time and reality. They can make copies or backups.
1:05 so that's what the fight around the station was. A bunch of melee players going extreme.
So does this mean that Pneuma's 3rd form is a form that was influenced by Rex ? And because pneuma dosent have the full core crystal she cant permanently stay in her 3rd form? The fact there wasnt a dlc story to unlock the third version and use it permanently as a 100% reward was kind of unsatisying cuz id totally love to the see the sword on rex's back for it to match his armor and seeing pneumas model at all times
You can see the third sword on Rex's back in the cutscene after the final fight.
@@louiesatterwhite3885 it looks so badass too man i wish it was a permanent feature
Yeah but pneuma is OP
Naw I think Pneuma was the Trinity core's original personality, like Alvis. The Siren booklet says the AIs were raised in a virtual reality to give them a distinct personality, which is a strange thing to mention if that personality was completely overwritten when Addam created Mythra. A blade only takes on their driver's personality/ambitions when they resonate.
I don't think so, he never "resonates" with her or awakens her from her core, so he doesn't really have influence on her. Pneuma's acended state would look the same no matter the driver because in that moment, she's more of the processing unit and not a blade.
(Spoiler: when he awakens the core at the end, Pyra and Mythra are separate beings. I see this as Rex loving both of them in different ways, he doesn't want them to be one person, he wants them to embrace their individuality. He wouldn't change a thing. He resonates with them as they are.)
Welcome back!!!
I’m so thankful you make these videos, I really feel I get a better understanding of the true specifications of Xenoblade, and that really helps my enjoyment of the series. Man, I love how sci-fi this series always turns, and Ether is just...the best thing to show up in fiction. Can’t wait for Ontos talk, I really wanna see it...but take your time if you need to, don’t overwork yourself.
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Can we note that the Aegis cannot lose memories? Like Malos remembering his downfall during the end of Torna, the cutscene in 2 before Malos start to torture Pyra.
Malos never returned to his core crystal. That's why he remembers Torna. I personally think Mythra and pyra lose their memories at the end of the game, my evidence being the entire game foreshadows blades that return to their core lose their memories multiple times, and the credit song lyrics saying "my last day with you" . I think it's up to the player's interpretation though
@@jericho7173 The memories of blades go TO the Aegis crystals, so it makes no sense if Pyra and Mythra lose their memories.
@@maxrichards3881 I really want to believe your comment and I actually do but many people say that the data goes to the Conduit through the Aegis. I wish the disappearance of the Conduit doesn't make them lose their memories.
@@R.Sinnia they were brouht back to life, there wouldve been some power left over
@@jericho7173 You're right about Malos, but I can think of a counter-point that suggests that Pyra and Mythra maintained their memories: watch them in the background as Poppi runs up to them to hug them and starts talking to them. They clearly recognize her, based on their body language. They accept her hug with no question, and from what we can see, are talking to her like they know her.
I feel like an idiot for not putting two and two together regarding Pyra and Mythra's revival. It didn't cross my mind that Rex LITERALLY had the consciousness and memories of both Pyra and Mythra in HIS part of the core crystal, but also the Pneuma Sword.
I assumed that moment was a more spiritual thing, and all it took was for Rex to convince them both to work with him rather than letting them die, and that he was ready to use the power of Pnuema. I thought it was odd how they were still talking to Rex after Malos took Pyra's core, and went with the idea that it didn't drain them completely.
This explanation makes MUCH more sense.
Ontos is Alvis... it’s confirmed at this point! So it’s not spoilers!
Malos uses that ball of desintegration in his fights, the game refers to it as Monado Eater, so Malos can just use Monado Eater but on massive Steroids, to completely anihilate stuff
(EDIT: Shit I said Purge, I meant Eater)
Monado Eater is a monado art in xenoblade 1 though so it wouldn't be a stronger purge, also eater in 1 clears all status effects and causes bleed so that could also be intrepretet as it "eateing" a chunk of the physical matter of the target causing it to bleed.
Would this mean if Malos successfully bonded with a driver he would get a form equivalent in strength to Pneuma?
@@jinmalora i mean last april Luxin made a video where that was talked about.
But instead of Jin he gave it to Finch
Most likely, yeah
I would love to see what you think of the Onrthous / Alvis stuff and the ties between 1 and 2 threw that.
It’s funny how even though Pyra is by far the weakest form of any Aegis, yet she’s still stronger than most other blades by far. In fact in my save file I often use Pyra over Mythra and kill shit much faster
That's interesting, cuz for me Mythra killed much faster than Pyra for me, but maybe it's because I made her into a super death cannon with her lvl 3, and her arts charge stupidly quickly so she alone could do lvl 1~3 all on her own.
@@TheDonner000 Well, in my game, I deliberately specced Pyra so that she’d be able to hold her own. That’s probably why.
This video has been in my recommended on every single video without fail for over a year. And after clicking it out of boredom a minute ago I realised that I haven't actually watched it and misremembered doing so. I'm sorry CZcams algorythm you were right for once thank you for being a persistent prick
Can you make a video about how the Nopon Sage is able to bring different characters from different games in one place?
Here's a theory of mine to explain why Malos' sword is called a Monado:
You know how Ontos/Alvis warps to the XC1 universe after Klaus begins his 'experiment', leaving the other two cores behind? Now missing Ontos isn't such a big deal for Logos and Pneuma because 1. Klaus is there and can reprogram their BIOS so they function as a dual core processor and also repair any physical damage and 2. they were completely reprogrammed to be master blades so the blade system could function anyway. But this isn't true for Ontos, who is completely alone in XC1's empty universe. Now in most modern CPUs each core is quite separate from one another, having their own cache among other things, but that does not mean a CPU could function if opened its lid and tore out two of its cores, even if you damaged nothing else (and of course Alvis now also lacks a motherboard, but throughout XC2, Pneuma and Logos seem to function alright without any other hardware, but that could just be Klaus' tinkering). There is also a theory out there that Alvis, Pneuma and Logos are not actually "cores" as we think of them, but three components of the one core, and this might be why they behave differently: monadontos.tumblr.com/post/176615317289/hey-guess-who-has-a-headcanon-me-its-me.
Anyway, we know Alvis brought half of Klaus and possibly all of Galea Meyneth with him, but why? And why only those two when the room had many more scientists?
Well, I believe Ontos knew he could not function alone, so he took them with him to repurpose them as the missing cores, giving them the Monados so that their human minds could interface with him, a computer core; Meyneth and the Mechonis Monado became Pneuma's replacement and Zanza and the Bionis Monado became Logos' replacement. We get the sense throughout XC1 that Alvis is a morally neutral character who needs human input to do anything, and this would play right into that.
This would explain why the Bionis Monado has such a mechanical appearance despite belonging to the self-proclaimed god of carbon-based life; it is a part of the computer. There are even parallels between XC1's Monados and the XC2 Aegises. For one, both can be used to see the future and bring people back from the dead by bonding with the deceased; Both Zanza and Malos are the antagonists of their stories. Both the Mechonis Monado and Pneuma are associated with suicidal female characters who sacrifice themselves to save their world. There is even a theory that Pneuma was designed by Klaus to resemble Galea somewhat as penance for not heeding her concern and seemingly killing her (this is if you believe that Pneuma is not 'coffee with milk' but the OG, and Mythra is simply a projection based on Addam's thoughts). And of course both Pneuma's sword and the Mechonis Monado are a teal / turquoise colour.
tldr; Monado = Aegis = Trinity Processor core and Alvis repurposed Zanza and Meyneth's brains to be the two cores he was missing.
First of all, we don't even know if Alvis is Ontos or not. If you take a look at ANY other Xeno game besides Xenoblade, you'll notice he's most likely to be just the mouthpiece, the "artifical will" as they call it, necessary to utilize Lemegeton (WHICH LOOKS LIKE THE TRINITY PROCESSOR), which activates and communicates with the Conduit.
So as it has been said many times before, Alvis is the super intelligent computer that almost every step of the phase transition experiment, following the orders and input from Klaus.
You can read some of it here yourself: xenosaga.fandom.com/wiki/Lemegeton
Also, I recommend anyone who could be interested in learning a more about the Xenometaverse in general to see this: imgur.com/a/IPoJB?third_party=1#_=_
Alvis is the main computer not part of the processers which are the aeigis as you can see behind his jacket it shows the aeigises trinity processor. As in xc2 klaus said some people of morytha went somewhere else and some stayed behind as corrupted blades.Half of Klaus and Galea went to bionis and the other half of them stayed in morytha like the corrupted survivors except for klaus stayed normal just to suffer.
@@niggachub4932 But how can the computer work without any of its cores?
@@niggachub4932 You know that the computing part of a computer comes from its processors? Without them it would be unable to choose what action it must perform. Saying that Alvis is the rest of the computer is like saying that you would be still able to live and have a new consciousness if I removed your brain.
14:56 "bonds with rex" you mean has a crush on him.
It would be neat if XCX was a lead up to the reveal of the third processor.
The secret ending reveals that everyone has been on that planet for much longer than they knew and something was keeping them alive.
Absolutely fantastic video.
Chances are since malos is holding a Monado,his ability to teleport might just be classic "Monado speed" just activating it whit out declaring its activation just like how he used "monado eater" to blow a hole in that room that one time without declaring its activation.
Melia etika will become metal face
I have a theory that malos has an equivlent form of pneuma but since he and almalhus dont get along and dont work together he cant ascess it( and doesnt relaise he has it) and since he never had an emotional brakedown like mythra he would never have made an equivlent form of phyra for himself.
5:38 seconds see the top center of Pnuema's core. Same cross shape Alvis takes in XC1. Link confirmed. Job done.
I wonder what the Logos form of malos would have looked like. Personally i like to think that it would look like the Pilot Suit Rex wears after he unlocks pnuma but purple
I’m 3 years late but I like to think of pyra as what happens when you screw up with your computer and it reboots into safe mode
13:17 his right arm is having a reaction i didnt notice this before
She's a super computer that crashed; She and Addam may have been technically on the same wavelength, but their resonance was far from stable and balanced. Mythra was out of control when she partially ascended, only managing to conjure up the minimum of pneuma's blade - the power but not the complete form, which mirrored her to a T in that moment. The first of many "errors" that began to plague her system. She crashed when she had too many in a row and forced into restart with "safety mode" on to prevent a complete crash.
Great video! I like your theory. I still need to play Torna, but I don't mind the few spoilers that you warned about.
On a different note, I started a fresh save XC2 (with dlc stuff) so I had the 25 legendary core crystals. Long story short, my first blade rare blade pull was Kos-Mos. I just dropped my controller and laughed. What are the odds of that?
So can the aegises run doom?
Or even crysis?
Jack Off at 30fps...maybe 🤔
@@klausthearchitect222 can they at least run the original doom?
So basically, the easiest term to refer to the aegis cores as would be *Zohar emulators*
I think it's certainly possible the third sword in Elpys could've been a "backup" of sorts, but I'm not sure if Rex visiting it would be necessary for Pyra to revive herself. Despite splitting her crystal with Rex, neither Pyra nor Mythra seem to be any worse-off except for sharing damage, which, together with the fact the halves need to exchange information, implies the halves of the Pneuma crystal are more or less functioning independently but need to sync with each other. In order to function independently though, they'd need separate copies of the same information.
Even on the off chance the two halves don't have all the same data uploaded to them, since Pyra would've transferred her entire core to Rex had Jin called her bluff and forced her to kill herself, it's not much of a stretch to assume she was "running a backup," so to speak, of her half while explaining what she planned to do. It probably wouldn't even take that long - if she was confident she could transfer the entirety of her physical core before Jin could stop her, even with his light speed, how much slower would backing her memories up be?
Although, this is really a semantics thing more than anything, since Rex would've needed to go to Elpys regardless for other reasons.
Pyra's flames don't go out with water because they do not come from the "element fire", but from the "fires of passion/love", her Japanese name is Homura. So her changing to Fire element can also be due to how Mythra eventually developed feelings during Torna.
I always thought that the Pyra/Mythra revival scene was because Rex has a literal USB flash drive backup of the Pneuma crystal in his chest, which is why during the battle, he's the only one that can see and hear Pyra/Mythra, not even Malos could. Malos even implied that Rex has finally lost his mind.
I wonder if, since the part of pneuma's core was in rex, he could make some kind of fourth aegis sword. We know Mikhail can with a whole crystal in him, but people like Zeke with only part of pandoria's haven't been shown to try.
Well since his situation is like Zekes not miks id assume no
6:03 if someone has played Xenosaga/Gears they would now that only one with a conscience can use the conduits power
If you look at the Crystal Processors on the Chests. They have the same shape and look exactly like the Monoliths from the Xenosaga series on PS2!
Can you perhaps address a question i've had about XB2 and its world. Its well known now that theres the planet which has the world tree (now 3 of them according to previous videos) connecting to the space station, which is part of the orbital ring which goes around the planet. However in the final cutscene when we see the hologram of alrest we see theres actually a 2nd orbital ring way further out, and that the space elevator connecting to the orbital station actually extends past the station and to this 2nd ring. However this ring is never seen, mentioned or even addressed at all in any other cutscenes at all. Whats up with that, is there a 2nd ring or what?
That "second ring" is actually a counterweight. It's far enough from the planet that the centrifugal force acting on it via inertia adds upwards tension on the three World Trees, alleviating the stresses due to gravity. Any space elevator setup that would exist in reality would make use of a counterweight system like this, as it significantly reduces construction costs and needs for maintenance.
@@vikurtz Doesn't the siren figure say that there is a High Orbit station tho?
@@GrandProtectorDark A space elevator could theoretically have its main station be at a level other than geostationary. The key is that the center of mass needs to be at geostationary elevation. Why they would want to put the station somewhere other than geostationary, I don't know. Maybe they wanted to do LEO experiments, or maybe they wanted to have some semblance of gravity on the station which wouldn't really be a thing at GEO.
Well, we have a new manifestation/copy of the Pneuma core. No word so far on how many of it's capabilities she can tap into, though the lack of a Conduit would be a bit limiter regardless. It's probably possible to argue the creation of a brand new and wholly unique Monado though.
Well the name of pneuma means spirit, maybe it has a little relation to the different states of her sword.
Like alvis, he is logos and logos is relate to the knowledege and biblotecary things
Alvis isn't Logos. He's Ontos. Malos is Logos.
Personal headcanon whatever caused claus to rush his experiment (I think there was a war going on or something) was caused by smash melee reaching its logical peak.
YES!
The Trinity Processor is amazing and is capable of many incredible things.
One thing I noticed when playing is that Klaus mentioned that the data the core crystals collect is sent to the Trinity Processor in order to optimize its capabilities. Because of this, I highly suspect that there's actually plenty of data being shared between Malos and Mythra all the time, though if that were the case, it would likely primarily be data concerned with the entire system rather than Malos and Mythra themselves.
Another thing to mention is that after reading a crossover with Worm, I realized just how much the two share. For that reason, I can't wait to see one of the Aegises appear in that crossover.
Could you try your hand at Xenoblade 2 What Ifs?
Rex wrote some new data, namsayin'
Everything is making sense now.
Ontos became Alvis. In XC1:DE he has a trinity processor instead of the key necklace
This also explains why she didn't die or lose her memories at the end. Because there was literally no reason she would. Which then just confuses me because it means everyone on that station, including me, just fucking forgot everything they were just explained long enough to be sad.
17:10 no subtitles, still tears.
Let the record stand that the vegetables that the Nopon outside of Torigoth grows are also the veggies shaped like Food, I mean Tatsu.
I know the vid is old but I wanna put in my idea on how the revival scene works, hopefully you see this Luxin because I think this may be the most intended way for it to be seen. What Malos stole from Pyra wasn't just random data. He very deliberately stole her memories of her and Rex together. It's likely there's more he stole but the sum of her memories makes up personality in a way, so she'd wind up as a husk. When Rex comes near, he is able to talk to them because of their connection. At this time, the memories are able to be relayed back, because Rex and Pyra shared most of these memories together.
I think the sort of theory going round, is ontos is the manado.
"Not sure if that's supposed to make me wiser or less wise, but I'm pretty dumb either way" fantastic quote
My view is that the three aegises have their own assigned jobs/roles. Ontos is designed for creation, shown by Xenoblade 1. Logos/Malos is designated for destruction and deletion, since his power destroys things that he attacks, look at when he melts Zeke's weapon. Pnuema was made for editing and alteration of matter and laws, since that's her own power. In her initial cutscene she talks about how that's what her ability is.
A suggestion Luxin, perhaps in future videos you can avoid using long stretches of footage with subtitles? I only bring it up because it was personally distracting, and I missed a good chuck of your explanation around 6 minutes in.
this helped me out a lot
the blades and especially the aegises bothered me so much because i couldnt wrap my head around what all they can do and i hate that kind of story telling i personally need things to make sense
while i still dont care for them or fully understand why blades work the way that they do the aegises kind of make more sense to me now by thinking of them as computers first and not just powerful blades
its still overly complex and i dont think ill ever be fully onboard with the concept as a storytelling element but at least they dont hurt my head anymore
Luxin, do you think that Pyra/Mythra is still alive in XC3? And since Alvis kinda is gone by the end of XC1 and Malos died by the end of XC2, is there a chance that Mio could be a reincarnation/personification of Ontos and Noah of Logos? This has been playing on my mind because they have the same hair color. Lol. I think the endgame of XC3's story might need to get access to the power of the three processors to defeat whatever the new villain is on 3.
ontos was basically sent to the first game, pneuma and logos stayed in xenoblade chronicles 2
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I thought having beaten Xeno 1 and knowing the 2 games link that any of what you said would make sense. I was wrong
Since Xenoblade 3 is a thing now could Malos use the Conduit/Zohar to connect to Xenoblade 1’s world and pluck a piece of it and brings it back to Alrest triggering Annihilation events before Xenoblade 3 since Malos destruction powers are like matter-antimatter annihilations.
Pyra... I'm Sorry You're not in Smash... I really am
*NOT YET*
It's... Not ok.
She is a spirit
@@DasBrot-tf6vm, It's treason then.
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