Exactly. This clown totally has a bias against musk. He can’t help himself. 😂 Until this new method can interact with a computer interface both of these solutions are viable for different reasons. Science is meant to be pushed. This clown got fired from Tesla and he’s bitter about it. A buddy of mine from Spacex who worked there for 7.5 years knows this guy. He’s still bitter. 😂
He was informed of the risks , probably didn't know that specifically could happen but this is what Trials are for . LIstened to that interview , Nolan was slightly taken out of context as far as I can tell.
@@13thbiosphere Well which is better having a vulture rip your body open while your alive or have weird humans experiment on your brain while giving you banana smoothy for your whole life . Nature is cruel. So long as animal testing isn't done for needless cruelty its fine. Like that one experiment where some scientists let some dogs face get eaten by sand flees .
So I looked up this company online. I used a broad search pattern (Precision neural implants) to start off with. I was able to find this company, and scanned through the contents briefly. Not a lot of detail but that's no surprise. They did have a video giving testimony from one patient, but no actual demonstration of what her capabilities were, just talking about it. There were several links to articles from different groups, news agencies and publications. The usual fluff pieces you would expect a company to link to. I couldn't find anything about 14 people that have already gone through this procedure, but I didn't look through everything. However I did see one news article where the company was boasting about FDA approval to start human trials back in January of 2023. You would think if they had 14 successful procedures completed since January of last year, the whole world would have heard about this by now.
I'm starting to see a pattern from Tesla Space on the negative bias towards Elon Musk's projects. I do enjoy the videos because they are informative but has a STRONG negative bias and assumptions it puts out to people. Will keep watching but will comment as I see this continue if it isn't justified.
Feels like the same argument for Tesla…the “competition” is coming…which is always a good thing…it keeps Neuralink on their innovative toes while hopefully the other companies can also deliver breakthroughs that benefit humanity.
I have no doubt that the competior will help people. But I don't know if it will have good write speed . Which would be required for making the blind see. But I am no expert , the less invasive the better long term... though I lean towards neurolink
Ye, now we can legalize this and make chips for newborn childs and look every thought and feelings. This is pure obsession and business. We dont have control of each other on earth or what?
You didn't show any footage of Precision patients interfacing with a computer, so I'm assuming that hasn't happened yet. I'll wait for that to happen before I judge how effective the Precision implant is.
he said in the video it's only used to collect data during other brain surgeries and then removed - they are doing it this way to promote large data collection safely, without having installing a permanent implant
i would imagine that they have to collect data first, as much as possible to train their ML model for interfacing with computer applications. just being able to record electrical impulses from the brain won't make the computer magically understand what the pattern of impulses mean. the computer need to be told what impulse patterns are associated with what actions of the human before it can start decoding new impulse patterns. seems like Precision are at the stage of ML, decoding impulse patterns collected by their device and have yet to reach the stage of actually interfacing the patient with any computer applications from the info presented in this video.
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Is Precision bidirectional? Because Neuralink is and that is the whole point. Any use will be limited if your interface can only "listen" and not "talk"!
I think neuralink's long term goal is bidirectional, but they are still only "listening" at current stage. I could find any bidirectional reference in current trials
the idea of a bidirectional brain implant is honestly scary, it opens up the possibility of having your brain hacked by malicious actors, literally. imagine you have no history of seizures at all in your life, not even any family history of it, but with a bidirectional implant, someone could induce a seizure in your brain quite literally by electrocuting your brain. cybersecurity of medical devices need to improve if this is to ever become reality.
Great episode but I don't think your conclusions are yet proven. Insertions might get even thinner less invasive and show a much deeper understanding of how the brain works. It might also allow for far more ability to control certain areas of the brain, allowing a better life for the patient. But holy shit, that doctor's resume is insane. I would not bet against him.
In theory, neuralink can treat brain disorders like epilepsy. That tiny thing is only good for reading thoughts and not all signals will be interpreted correctly. So you can think of calling mom but you will call nun LOL Type Hello, types fellow. And so on.
But like a real brain it has plasticity and if you ring your mum 1000 times because it is correct then new synapses form to reinforce the connection@@AndreyPavlovUS
It was stated by the Neuralink patient in an interview (by Ellie in Space, i think) that the brain movement caused the dislodging of the electrodes. These movements might not cause to dislodge this array electrode but will add difficulties with having to assign the recorded signals to the respective region of the moving brain during real life activities that do not include lying still on an operating table during brain surgery while having your head fixed with a stereotactic device.
I’m a bit disappointed at this episode. I watch all of your stuff and normally you guys present good points on both sides of a topic. This was heavily slanted to this precision outfit. Almost a sales pitch, if I didn’t know any better. Not a single mention of what sort of data or outcomes gained from the precision folks. I saw Noland playing his favorite PC game, so…… Perhaps precision is less invasive but who cares if it can’t do anything? Go back to listening from outside the room. This one was a heavy miss for you guys.
Do you think a quadriplegic is worried about the details of how the treatment might fail? What are the other choices? Noland Arbaugh is the first Neuralink trial and I have never seen a more appreciative patient. He views it as nothing short of a miracle--which it is! Neuralink is learning the pros and cons of their implant design. They have limited themselves to a single patient to minimize the affects of unforeseen consequences. The comment about failure to inform the patient about the potential for thread retraction specifically is cheap shot. Certainly the consent form warned of the potential for brain damage/scarring as well as failure to function without going into all the ways those negative consequences could possibly happen. It is dishonest to equate the retraction of threads with a failure in safety. Neuralink is learning how to improve the implant before going on to a second patient. In contrast, Benjamin Rapoport has already performed his procedure on 14 patients!
Its used during surgeries and then being removed at this point. From what i understand their goal for now is to collect as much data as possible without permanance to the patients.
This is a great deep dive in a company I'd never heard of before. I also like the fact that unlike other Tesla video's, there's some skepticism about Neuralink's approach here. Great job! I'd love to see these two methods compete in the future for paralyzed/blind patients.
There are lots of other approaches. One company even put a sensor array into an arterial stint which can be placed non-invasivly deep inside the circulatory system of the brain.
Neuralink wants brain interface not just information, by not inserting threads you don't get the interface part just the information. However more competition in the space is amazing, cause it forces inovation.
At 7 minutes, there is an image of a small section of a brain that illustrates the supposed depth of penetratration of neuralink. The 5 mm electrode at the very top of the head is approximately 15 mm from the right of the brain. This implies mathematically (using the intersecting chord formula) that the diameter of the depicted brain is 50 mm. That is likely the brain size of someone who believes that all youtube illustrations are 100% accurate. This raises questions about whether the curvature of the brain was accurately depicted (or exaggerated).
I would say "message" would be a more appropriate term than "write". 'Writing' implies that information has been transmitted and encoded into a stable, persistent neuro pattern.
Informative but a very negative video towards the Neuralink approach. This video talks about how listening to the neurons from the surface of the brain is inferior yet talks about how Precision's device is superior. I have not seen any test results of the Precision interface, despite the amount of people who have tried it. The Neuralink patient is completely happy and is willing to be part of future tests. Also, the Neuralink patient has gotten back his control with the remaining threads by tweaks done by the programmers of Neuralink. No info about his brain tissue being damaged either. Very biased video!
Very interesting. Thank you for sharing. One thing I would say is, the video likes to say "it's been proven" so and so "that precision method is better.". I think it's very early to see how either company will do with different approach.
Obviously we do not know, but part of the threads backing out may be do to the brain moving more than they thought, effective short roping and pulling out the threads. If say, they have more slack in the threads, maybe it's not any longer an issue.
I think that, beyond simply monitoring neural activity, Neuralink wants to also give input and “participate in the conversation” (in reference to the metaphor). I don’t think that the Precision device is able to do that with the described design.
Also I wonder how effective it is being untethered. Neuralink may have retraction issues, but the electrodes that remain are in place and stable. If the precision device rests on top unattached it may shift position, maybe by small amounts, relative to the brain. I imagine that would be very difficult to get consistent results over time and patients would likely have difficulty learning to control anything through it.
@@Me__Myself__and__I Yes I can see that. Someone might have trained an ML model to be really good at deciphering the signal in one spot, and then the device might slip and go somewhere else. But it was interesting that the Precision device folds to the dura's crumpled texture. This might let it stay in place well.
@@KevinT Maybe. But probably not enough. Training your mind to control something would require training specific neurons. Neurons are tiny, so even if it moves a small fraction of an inch that could drastically alter the results. No one has "solved" this yet. So we don't yet know what the best solution will be. Actually, maybe the best solution would end up being a combination. Imagine much larger sensor sheets that covered much more of the brain exterior combined with a small number of more intrusive Neuralink type implants to allow for better two-way data transfer. Who knows, time will tell.
@@Me__Myself__and__I I would indeed also suggest something like that, maybe with some nanotechnology, you could bassically insert this same short of small sheet, but the nano bots increase the size of the sheet, aswell as install those same threads way deeper without causing much damage. Heck in this method, you could probably cover far larger areas then is currently possible.
@@Dianaranda123 True, but I don't think we're going to have the luxury of nanotech. That is still a long way off and we need better solutions for this much sooner. There should be ways to create much larger sheets that wrap a large portion of the brain. And NeuroLink is already having better results with their 2nd patient and talking about doing dual i plants in future patients.
You completely miss the point. Elon is not doing this to make a profit. He is doing itout of a strong belief that humans need something like this to remain co petitive with / in control of future AI. No one else was getting it done so he started Neuralink. It is not yet known what technology will succeed long-term, which is why both of these are experimental technoligies. If either succeeds in creating a high bandwidth human/machine interface humanity wins. But saying Neuralink is inferior, unsafe or whatever is just pure speculation currently. A decade or two from now the facts will be known, right now its nothing more than bias, opinion or speculation.
Oh please. He did it because he's an overgrown child. You should have seen how embarrassed the neurolink engineers were during Musk's presentation when they were all standing behind him, and he was promising "videogames, in your mind!" Musk is obsessed with clout and self gratification. Really, if you think he's an honest person, you should see how he talks when he's talking to audiences in China. He's a political chameleon. All this "for humanity!" stuff is just disingenuous talk. He knows American science loving audiences respond well to it. If we all hated humanity, he'd be pitching neurolink on the idea that it will cause immense suffering or something like that.
@@peppermintgal4302 Have you ever met, talked to or worked with a CEO or entrepreneurial startup person? Its literally their job to "hype" things to get investment, attract talent and such. The engineers in all companies feel exactly the same way when their CEO hypes things. This is not unique to Musk in any way. I never said he was honest. I don't think any CEO in the world is honest. I don't like it, but just like politicians sometimes they have to tell people what they want to hear. Yes, sometimes Elon is childish, sometimes he lies, etc. It doesn't mean everything he does is a lie or that he doesn't have good intentions. To try and understand someone you can't focus on little details too much, you have to try and see the big picture. The overall trends. Elon's long-term trends are to focus on things that are good for humanity. That is a fact. Then some of the details he engages in to make those things a reality are not always nice.
Sure but NL still holds the record for fastest most precise mouse movements. NL claims threads fell out because human brain vibrates more then primate brain. They probably didnt expect it to happen.
Brilliant. It's not a sin that an Elon Musk company isn't the best at something. It seems as though Precision Neuroscience has the game changer. Well done them. Keep going Neuralink. I'm sure there is plenty of improvement to be made. Maybe Neuralink will find an even better solution for their purposes through better design. Everybody benefits eventually.
I like how theres all these videos on the internet telling people not to trust corporations or politicians and they try to act all surprised like that isnt just common sense
It won’t be able to display the interface to your eyes, and you won’t be able to talk on the phone, Spotify in your head won’t work, but controlling electronics with the power of thought is quite possible
1st of who tf wants them to be able to broadcast who knows what to your eyes. 2nd who wants them to be able to blast whatever music/content playing in your head. Both those things sound absolutely terrible and absolutely frightening.
In the end if I have a degenerate or traumatic neurological illness, I wont want the doctors to collect data l and record it. I will want doctors to actually send signals back to my neurons to fix the problem. Musks idea has that as a goal, from what you told us Dr Rappaports idea has no such goal.
I am sorry Musk will not heal you, it's not his business. He wants to own you. I would go with the guy concerned about safety, I bet if he keeps working on that model more functions can be refined.
True, the Precision probes are much less invasive and likely the better way to map brain function. At the same time, it doesn’t tell you which specific brain tissue you can stimulate to get the response desired. Both have their separate advantages and disadvantages. Precision will likely overtake Neuralink in making prosthetic robotic hardware work to brain signal. The challenge is making something that the body and brain doesn’t reject. Even Precision’s probe will cause rejection and scarring, and likely can’t stay functional long term. The key challenge is to somehow create artificial neurons instead of threads so that they will form more permanent connections to those neural centers without the body’s rejection.
ECoG electrode arrays have been placed in patients for many many years. The question would be are the ones made by Precision different? Precision’s implant, the Layer 7 Cortical Interface, is a thin-film microelectrode array containing 1,024 miniature electrodes, packed into a space of approximately 1.6 square cm. That really does not say much. If these are not recording single spikes but just LFP signals it is nothing new. Sure this information can be somewhat useful depending on the frequency but it is not the same as single spikes. I am not sure having 4,096 electrodes gives you that much more information you can extract than if you had an ECoG grid with 100 electrodes over the same area. This is probably why it is not that big of news if people were wondering. If they can utilize these electrodes to do something no one else has done Precision will likely get more attention. BCI potential is very limited in reality even though it gets lots of hype, the future of technology is in hardware-based AI, IMO.
@@SD-vp5vo i dont understand how that was a cope...... they were just saying that they got more info from a Joe Rogan interview. you do sound bitter though, so maybe stop that.
The amount of bad takes in this video is absolutely baffling. Just like how no other country or company can catch up to SpaceX, the reason for Neuralink's different methods is due to their greater end goal. Neuralink's end goal is interfacing humans with AI, not merely helping disabled individuals, that's why their system needs to be more invasive. They need to be able to not just record brain signals but to send them eventually as well. Their next milestone project would be to be able to partially restore sight with an implant. I don't think the Precision implant would be able to do this ever, being on the surface of the brain. And why all the FUD about brain damage? Neuralink's first patient, Noland Arbaugh, is still very happy and grateful for being able to test out the implant. He neither looks nor reports of any brain damage. If you cared that much about brain damage how about making a video trying to ban contact sports like football or binge drinking? SMH
I agree. He's already giving up on it due to brain damage. Is there any proof of that? Another few mm of insertion might stop the threads working loose from brain movement.
The Brain can handel some damage.. fact is there are people outside they got shot in the head or they hade an accident where they lose the half side of her head/brain and they dont die from these injures
@@kurtthealien585 They don't die, but they are often irreparably neurologically injured. Don't get me wrong, the brain can heal in some incredible ways, but it doesn't mean that it flawlessly recovers it's abilities.
Its not really a valid comparison between the 2 systems when the Nuralink stays permanently, but the other is just inserted tested then removed. How does Rapoport's perform long term?
What neuralink isn't telling you: If you use a device to give information, your senses decline. If you use it to process information, your brain's ability to store information declines. To remembrr, your memory declines. To make decisions, to motivate you, these abilities decline. Instagram brain rot is a gnat compared to this. And I'm a full on transhumanist. I just happen to know how the brain tissue basically works. Use it or lose it. You become dependent on your tool. In the worst case, a human could turn into a body incapable of doing anything without the chip.
Nice analogy of listening through a wall. It’s still early days though and very possible reaching deeper neurons will be worth the hassle and risks. There may be a place for both technologies,
Doubt you’d be able target specific areas on the brain by with a thing sat on top of it. I’d say they’re 2 different bits of tech meant to do different things.
I think Ben has a genuine idea on his hands and is using his medical background to Implement the safety side of it too. Seems like Elon isn't the best at everything like he wants us to believe
This isn't new, you just have different categories of BCIs ! As you can imagine there's always a tradeoff with invasiveness and spatial resolution. Epidural implants simply cannot compete with intracortical devices. Or at least for the foreseeable future
How is Precision's array held tightly to the cortex? The brain doesn't remain perfectly still even though the wire must remain immobile where it penetrates the skull.
Stentrode BCI by Darpa, and Precisions layer 7 BCI, both seem to be less invasive then the Neuralink, but Neuralink is focusing more on targeted area so I can still see the benefit. But META is making curious advancements with magnetoencephalography as well. BCI is making huge advancements, I can't wait to see where it all leads.
I really like this idea of a recording array laying on top of the nerve tissue instead of trying to poke into it. Also given how smooth the installation process looked in that animation, that gives me an idea for possibly using a derivative of that technology to kind of bypass the damage created by spinal cord injuries or deformities. Just like splicing two broken wires together.
I don't really care who will make this thing first, I just want to know, if my view is 100x100, how big the ads will be? 90x90? And how many sec can I stay myself until somebody hack into it? 1?
I literally use the technology used by Presicion in my draft for my sci Fi short story and the actual computational components wirelessly connect to the BCI film using a bio adhesive on the scalp with a max connection range of 0.05mm to protect against possible uninitialized connection.
Absolutely fabulous!!! Without experimentation we stay in the Dark Ages. The U.S. laws regarding patient safety are draconian even if nothing in the normal realm of medicine works for a patient and only venturing into the realm of the experimental may have a chance to improve the medical outcome for the patient. There is a fine line between that which is usual practice and doesn't help a patient and trying something experimental which may/may not improve a patient's condition but is worth trying to improve the patient's life.
Receiving signals is only half the story especially when it comes to curing blindness/paralysis. I don't think you done any research for this video other that grabbing headlines.
Neurosurgeons get super paranoid about losing their skill sets if they aren't using them. If Rappaport wasn't doing aneurysm clips, tumor resections and avascular malformation repairs, it's a solid reason to leave. At this time, there has been no lead migration/thread retraction in the second patient based upon reports to the FDA. Lead migration is the most common complication of any lead implantable device (defibrillator, spinal cord stimulator, Deep brain stimulator etc). This is very early gen technology. There are going to be complications and product advancements.
If Precision is working then why don't we have any videos of patients playing video games or doing anything else with their minds, like at Neuralink? Seems like you over hyped Precision, which may not work at all.
Are videos like that actually anything other than marketing/PR though? Playing Pong and typing with BCI was done 20 years ago, that's already solved. Creating an interface that is safe and sustainable over the long term is the problem of the current day.
@@TheTeslaSpace The guy was not playing pong. He was playing complex multi user computer games and was so excited about it that he played them all night long. He is Neuralink's biggest fan, which says a lot about the success of the product. You guys seem utterly uninformed about Neuralink and you're hyping a company that hasn't shown anything useful, just theories.
@theteslaspace comparing what Noland is doing with his (poorly performing) implant to pong is like saying there’s no use for cars because horses already solved traveling.
@@David-fv5cn Actually, the implant is not poorly performing. He lost 85% of the wires, but through software improvements, he got back 100% of the capability that he had with all the wires functioning.
Isn't the purpose of neurolink to help ppl with disabilities, so how is them not testing on able-bodied ppl a problem?? Wouldn't that defeat the whole point.
One question I have with this is how can you change the depth of your sensors and still be communicating with the neurons that your system has been designed for? I know the brain is meant to have plasticity but I’m surprised they can still chase the same goal after what seems to me like a large move(?)
Neuralink isn't pushing the boundaries of anything. Brain implants are an old news. The only reason why there isn't more of them is because they're problematic. They require installation of either the implant itself or its cable in to the most critical and sensitive part of the human body. One small infection can turn a healthy user in to a corpse, or a bumbling idiot. And then there is the rejections, because human body is built to remove foreign objects. The real boundary push would be a biotech implant. Potentially something like implant with electrodes coated in compatible live cells to act as an interface between the brain and the implant. This way the body will never know there is a foreign object and won't attack the implant.
I wonder if the Precision Neuroscience approach could mimic the radar on the F-35 to do some type of magnetic beam forming, which would allow a static array of electronics to dynamically read brain activity from different regions.
@@TheTeslaSpace Let's put it this way. Elon musk drilled a hole without completely breaking open the wall and tried to eavesdrop on what's happening in the neighbor's room. Benjamin Rapport, on the other hand, carved out multiple holes and places hearing devices to get the most output. One risks the structural integrity of the wall while the other can end up being effective in only combining the output from these multiple holes and coming up with a result the same as the former. Honestly, Precision would end up putting a lot of work in just filtering the data because this would involve encountering too much noise. Which, while it might be safer than Neuralink, it isn't an effective BCI.
@@nikhiljoshi2961 Well, you don't want to give someone who is listening to the video the wrong impression. The proper metaphor can color a better picture in someone's mind. So yes, some people do care.
I would consider one after proven safety, benefits, but more importantly SECURITY. There will be NO PART of a device attached to my brain that Im unable to reprogram or have removed immediately upon learning of security issues
Precision sounds like it listens to the brain, neurolink wants full communication. Big difference. Precision might do an artificial limb, while Neurolink is shooting for an artificial eye.
Time will tell. I don't think your going to get good read write capabilities without getting in deep . You can probably get good read data , but not write. We will see though , history will decide .
This is an anti neuralink hit piece in almost every sentence. No problem with the surface device but how was it to stay fixed on the surface to allow for the 3mm brain movement? Do you know about the vastly larger deeper electrodes used for deep brain stimulation as for movement disorders? Many inches into the deep basal ganglia. Another 'Elon bad" video.
I like your video but also feel it's very pessimistic. To suggest that Neuralink is dead in the water after just one problem in the first patient is very harsh. Plus Noland (patient 1) has said that his link even worked better after the threads fell out. These are tests, and we are learning, but i understand we must look at all aspects. Thanks for the video and the conversations around this topic.
I can't wait to see how well the Rapoport device works in actuality. Question: Don't all these long wires into/onto the brain pose a risk in case of EM surge near the head?
Back when i was a kid i used to sit and think how bright the future's going to be. So i wanted to know all about the world, but the more i learned the closer i got to the conclusion that we are on a path to ruin.
I favourable to the Precision idea, but I have to wonder how they would stop the contacts from just moving around all aver the surface. Even a few neurons movement would require a new learning phase?
The great thing is that even if Nuralink fails, it doesn't matter. It's not like we're investing in this company. It is not a wing of Tesla or anything. It is okay if it fails but its great if it succeeds. We don't need to be emotionally invested in this company. It's just enjoyable to see progress in this space.
That sounds like a great idea in all, but being a paraplegic, I'm going with whatever option comes to life sooner, and I've never heard of this option until now. However thanks for bringing it to my life.
Benjamin Rappaport's resume is insane. Imagine being that intelligent and doing what you are supposed to do when you are that intelligent! Wow! Very good video!
I wish i was able to test neuralink myself, i can be a potential study subject, considering my brain function isn't perfect and i have a story of atypical convulsion as a kid, maybe something can be learned about when you plant a seed in a bad soil xD but maybe it can help me fill the gaps of what my brain is bad at doing, like... Concentrating.... Or... Remembering
It's not really an "interface" if it can't go both ways. Look up the definition of "interface". What you have here is a "reader". However, in the future, it could be possible to use phased array tech to impel signals into the brain. Just not this unit right now.
Maybe the Precision people will MERGE with Neuralink again. I'm sure Elon will be quite interested in getting THE BEST approach, rather than just trying to be right with the inferior approach.
WOW, writing off technology after 1 attempt. I'm going to do that with your YT channel that seems full of FUD. Imagine if Neuralink could have a second attempt and improve it, and then a third and so on. Did you do one of these episodes on Starship and write that off too after the early Starship failures. Lets see how this clip ages. BTW, I hope Precision works, but from my limited research it seems less successful than Neuralink.
I bet dollars to donuts that the patient 0 was in fact informed about the risks.
Exactly. This clown totally has a bias against musk. He can’t help himself. 😂
Until this new method can interact with a computer interface both of these solutions are viable for different reasons. Science is meant to be pushed. This clown got fired from Tesla and he’s bitter about it. A buddy of mine from Spacex who worked there for 7.5 years knows this guy. He’s still bitter. 😂
He was informed of the risks , probably didn't know that specifically could happen but this is what Trials are for . LIstened to that interview , Nolan was slightly taken out of context as far as I can tell.
He was , he said it during the interview. This video guy is a liar
the monkeys were not informed
@@13thbiosphere Well which is better having a vulture rip your body open while your alive or have weird humans experiment on your brain while giving you banana smoothy for your whole life .
Nature is cruel.
So long as animal testing isn't done for needless cruelty its fine.
Like that one experiment where some scientists let some dogs face get eaten by sand flees .
So I looked up this company online. I used a broad search pattern (Precision neural implants) to start off with. I was able to find this company, and scanned through the contents briefly. Not a lot of detail but that's no surprise. They did have a video giving testimony from one patient, but no actual demonstration of what her capabilities were, just talking about it. There were several links to articles from different groups, news agencies and publications. The usual fluff pieces you would expect a company to link to. I couldn't find anything about 14 people that have already gone through this procedure, but I didn't look through everything. However I did see one news article where the company was boasting about FDA approval to start human trials back in January of 2023. You would think if they had 14 successful procedures completed since January of last year, the whole world would have heard about this by now.
I'm starting to see a pattern from Tesla Space on the negative bias towards Elon Musk's projects. I do enjoy the videos because they are informative but has a STRONG negative bias and assumptions it puts out to people. Will keep watching but will comment as I see this continue if it isn't justified.
Musk...???... neurolink...???...
Self driven impregnation..??..
@@myxalplyx get elons dick out yo mouth
I'm out.
Yea dude I haven’t been able to find any hard data other than the fluff.
Feels like the same argument for Tesla…the “competition” is coming…which is always a good thing…it keeps Neuralink on their innovative toes while hopefully the other companies can also deliver breakthroughs that benefit humanity.
I have no doubt that the competior will help people. But I don't know if it will have good write speed . Which would be required for making the blind see. But I am no expert , the less invasive the better long term... though I lean towards neurolink
It’s not the argument but analysis
Ye, now we can legalize this and make chips for newborn childs and look every thought and feelings. This is pure obsession and business. We dont have control of each other on earth or what?
@@RegiJatekokMagazin Bruh that episode from Black Mirror about to come true
Thats great. But, it always devolves from helping humanity to padding rich pockets.
You didn't show any footage of Precision patients interfacing with a computer, so I'm assuming that hasn't happened yet. I'll wait for that to happen before I judge how effective the Precision implant is.
he said in the video it's only used to collect data during other brain surgeries and then removed - they are doing it this way to promote large data collection safely, without having installing a permanent implant
basically, they have way better data than Neuralink, but they are not developing direct working implants with the intention to use it on anyone yet.
i would imagine that they have to collect data first, as much as possible to train their ML model for interfacing with computer applications. just being able to record electrical impulses from the brain won't make the computer magically understand what the pattern of impulses mean. the computer need to be told what impulse patterns are associated with what actions of the human before it can start decoding new impulse patterns. seems like Precision are at the stage of ML, decoding impulse patterns collected by their device and have yet to reach the stage of actually interfacing the patient with any computer applications from the info presented in this video.
Is Precision bidirectional? Because Neuralink is and that is the whole point. Any use will be limited if your interface can only "listen" and not "talk"!
I think neuralink's long term goal is bidirectional, but they are still only "listening" at current stage. I could find any bidirectional reference in current trials
the idea of a bidirectional brain implant is honestly scary, it opens up the possibility of having your brain hacked by malicious actors, literally. imagine you have no history of seizures at all in your life, not even any family history of it, but with a bidirectional implant, someone could induce a seizure in your brain quite literally by electrocuting your brain. cybersecurity of medical devices need to improve if this is to ever become reality.
Great episode but I don't think your conclusions are yet proven. Insertions might get even thinner less invasive and show a much deeper understanding of how the brain works. It might also allow for far more ability to control certain areas of the brain, allowing a better life for the patient. But holy shit, that doctor's resume is insane. I would not bet against him.
In theory, neuralink can treat brain disorders like epilepsy. That tiny thing is only good for reading thoughts and not all signals will be interpreted correctly.
So you can think of calling mom but you will call nun LOL
Type Hello, types fellow.
And so on.
But like a real brain it has plasticity and if you ring your mum 1000 times because it is correct then new synapses form to reinforce the connection@@AndreyPavlovUS
On the other hand, I personally would not bet against Elon Musk.
Interesting. Can you please give examples of real patients that it has helped?
Noland Arbaugh is the first patient to get the surgery and it has helped him tremendously.
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It was stated by the Neuralink patient in an interview (by Ellie in Space, i think) that the brain movement caused the dislodging of the electrodes. These movements might not cause to dislodge this array electrode but will add difficulties with having to assign the recorded signals to the respective region of the moving brain during real life activities that do not include lying still on an operating table during brain surgery while having your head fixed with a stereotactic device.
I'd like to see some comparative fidelity and latency data before coming to any conclusions. Wouldn't you?
I’m a bit disappointed at this episode. I watch all of your stuff and normally you guys present good points on both sides of a topic. This was heavily slanted to this precision outfit. Almost a sales pitch, if I didn’t know any better. Not a single mention of what sort of data or outcomes gained from the precision folks. I saw Noland playing his favorite PC game, so…… Perhaps precision is less invasive but who cares if it can’t do anything? Go back to listening from outside the room.
This one was a heavy miss for you guys.
you disappointed elon fan boy?
@@SD-vp5vo just interested in truth. How about you? Never mind, I already know.
Which arguments are there for neuralinks side?
Should we prioritize safety or efficiency?
It is good to have critical discussions and market competition regarding such a potentially important nascent technology.
Do you think a quadriplegic is worried about the details of how the treatment might fail? What are the other choices? Noland Arbaugh is the first Neuralink trial and I have never seen a more appreciative patient. He views it as nothing short of a miracle--which it is! Neuralink is learning the pros and cons of their implant design. They have limited themselves to a single patient to minimize the affects of unforeseen consequences. The comment about failure to inform the patient about the potential for thread retraction specifically is cheap shot. Certainly the consent form warned of the potential for brain damage/scarring as well as failure to function without going into all the ways those negative consequences could possibly happen. It is dishonest to equate the retraction of threads with a failure in safety. Neuralink is learning how to improve the implant before going on to a second patient. In contrast, Benjamin Rapoport has already performed his procedure on 14 patients!
Am besten wir lassen jeglich Forschung in allen Bereichen lieber sein es könnten ja unvorhersehbare Probleme entstehen 🤦♂️😂 This Video is so dumb
Forehead anybody?
Has precision shown their implant being used by a human to control something via bluetooth? I cant find anything on their website
Its used during surgeries and then being removed at this point.
From what i understand their goal for now is to collect as much data as possible without permanance to the patients.
@@tomhv9 No, they have not. It's no comparison.
This is a great deep dive in a company I'd never heard of before. I also like the fact that unlike other Tesla video's, there's some skepticism about Neuralink's approach here. Great job!
I'd love to see these two methods compete in the future for paralyzed/blind patients.
Indeed🎉
Well this is not a Tesla video though...
There will always be skepticism and or criticism of new things. It has always been so, most often wrongly from the foremost experts.
There are lots of other approaches. One company even put a sensor array into an arterial stint which can be placed non-invasivly deep inside the circulatory system of the brain.
Neuralink wants brain interface not just information, by not inserting threads you don't get the interface part just the information. However more competition in the space is amazing, cause it forces inovation.
Reuters reputation for accurate information has been questionable lately
Not just lately!
"...Elon interviewed 1000 applicants personally.... yeah right.
maybe sifted through 1000 real candidates
Its possible. Talk to 5 people per day for a year. A rich workaholic with people to do supporting task, can do it.
People are gonna look back at this in 1-2 hundred years and be like "lobotomy 3.0"
At 7 minutes, there is an image of a small section of a brain that illustrates the supposed depth of penetratration of neuralink. The 5 mm electrode at the very top of the head is approximately 15 mm from the right of the brain. This implies mathematically (using the intersecting chord formula) that the diameter of the depicted brain is 50 mm. That is likely the brain size of someone who believes that all youtube illustrations are 100% accurate. This raises questions about whether the curvature of the brain was accurately depicted (or exaggerated).
How does Precision solve the problem of the brain moving inside the skull? Wouldn't it lose its functions when the brain moves?
Precision won't be able to WRITE to the brain and only READ. That's very key here
Interesting video!! Never heard of Precision
I would say "message" would be a more appropriate term than "write". 'Writing' implies that information has been transmitted and encoded into a stable, persistent neuro pattern.
Informative but a very negative video towards the Neuralink approach. This video talks about how listening to the neurons from the surface of the brain is inferior yet talks about how Precision's device is superior. I have not seen any test results of the Precision interface, despite the amount of people who have tried it. The Neuralink patient is completely happy and is willing to be part of future tests. Also, the Neuralink patient has gotten back his control with the remaining threads by tweaks done by the programmers of Neuralink. No info about his brain tissue being damaged either. Very biased video!
Very interesting. Thank you for sharing. One thing I would say is, the video likes to say "it's been proven" so and so "that precision method is better.". I think it's very early to see how either company will do with different approach.
Fair point. CZcams loves bold statements to drive engagement - such as we're doing right now lol
Obviously we do not know, but part of the threads backing out may be do to the brain moving more than they thought, effective short roping and pulling out the threads. If say, they have more slack in the threads, maybe it's not any longer an issue.
Correct. Actual brain movement was 3mm rather than expected 1mm
I think that, beyond simply monitoring neural activity, Neuralink wants to also give input and “participate in the conversation” (in reference to the metaphor). I don’t think that the Precision device is able to do that with the described design.
Also I wonder how effective it is being untethered. Neuralink may have retraction issues, but the electrodes that remain are in place and stable. If the precision device rests on top unattached it may shift position, maybe by small amounts, relative to the brain. I imagine that would be very difficult to get consistent results over time and patients would likely have difficulty learning to control anything through it.
@@Me__Myself__and__I Yes I can see that. Someone might have trained an ML model to be really good at deciphering the signal in one spot, and then the device might slip and go somewhere else. But it was interesting that the Precision device folds to the dura's crumpled texture. This might let it stay in place well.
@@KevinT Maybe. But probably not enough. Training your mind to control something would require training specific neurons. Neurons are tiny, so even if it moves a small fraction of an inch that could drastically alter the results.
No one has "solved" this yet. So we don't yet know what the best solution will be. Actually, maybe the best solution would end up being a combination. Imagine much larger sensor sheets that covered much more of the brain exterior combined with a small number of more intrusive Neuralink type implants to allow for better two-way data transfer. Who knows, time will tell.
@@Me__Myself__and__I I would indeed also suggest something like that, maybe with some nanotechnology, you could bassically insert this same short of small sheet, but the nano bots increase the size of the sheet, aswell as install those same threads way deeper without causing much damage. Heck in this method, you could probably cover far larger areas then is currently possible.
@@Dianaranda123 True, but I don't think we're going to have the luxury of nanotech. That is still a long way off and we need better solutions for this much sooner. There should be ways to create much larger sheets that wrap a large portion of the brain. And NeuroLink is already having better results with their 2nd patient and talking about doing dual i plants in future patients.
This series of "Isn't Telling Us Something" has never disappointed so far
All human endeavors have risks, its a part of being alive. Continue on Elon. Mr. X
Neuralink and Precision should switch their brand logos. Look at them both and think about the procedures involved. It makes sense!
You completely miss the point. Elon is not doing this to make a profit. He is doing itout of a strong belief that humans need something like this to remain co petitive with / in control of future AI. No one else was getting it done so he started Neuralink. It is not yet known what technology will succeed long-term, which is why both of these are experimental technoligies. If either succeeds in creating a high bandwidth human/machine interface humanity wins. But saying Neuralink is inferior, unsafe or whatever is just pure speculation currently. A decade or two from now the facts will be known, right now its nothing more than bias, opinion or speculation.
An important point.
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Oh please. He did it because he's an overgrown child. You should have seen how embarrassed the neurolink engineers were during Musk's presentation when they were all standing behind him, and he was promising "videogames, in your mind!" Musk is obsessed with clout and self gratification.
Really, if you think he's an honest person, you should see how he talks when he's talking to audiences in China. He's a political chameleon. All this "for humanity!" stuff is just disingenuous talk. He knows American science loving audiences respond well to it. If we all hated humanity, he'd be pitching neurolink on the idea that it will cause immense suffering or something like that.
@@peppermintgal4302 Have you ever met, talked to or worked with a CEO or entrepreneurial startup person? Its literally their job to "hype" things to get investment, attract talent and such. The engineers in all companies feel exactly the same way when their CEO hypes things. This is not unique to Musk in any way.
I never said he was honest. I don't think any CEO in the world is honest. I don't like it, but just like politicians sometimes they have to tell people what they want to hear. Yes, sometimes Elon is childish, sometimes he lies, etc. It doesn't mean everything he does is a lie or that he doesn't have good intentions.
To try and understand someone you can't focus on little details too much, you have to try and see the big picture. The overall trends. Elon's long-term trends are to focus on things that are good for humanity. That is a fact. Then some of the details he engages in to make those things a reality are not always nice.
Sure but NL still holds the record for fastest most precise mouse movements.
NL claims threads fell out because human brain vibrates more then primate brain. They probably didnt expect it to happen.
3mm vs expected 1mm
Brilliant. It's not a sin that an Elon Musk company isn't the best at something. It seems as though Precision Neuroscience has the game changer. Well done them. Keep going Neuralink. I'm sure there is plenty of improvement to be made. Maybe Neuralink will find an even better solution for their purposes through better design. Everybody benefits eventually.
I like how theres all these videos on the internet telling people not to trust corporations or politicians and they try to act all surprised like that isnt just common sense
It won’t be able to display the interface to your eyes, and you won’t be able to talk on the phone, Spotify in your head won’t work, but controlling electronics with the power of thought is quite possible
1st of who tf wants them to be able to broadcast who knows what to your eyes. 2nd who wants them to be able to blast whatever music/content playing in your head. Both those things sound absolutely terrible and absolutely frightening.
In the end if I have a degenerate or traumatic neurological illness, I wont want the doctors to collect data l and record it.
I will want doctors to actually send signals back to my neurons to fix the problem. Musks idea has that as a goal, from what you told us Dr Rappaports idea has no such goal.
I am sorry Musk will not heal you, it's not his business. He wants to own you. I would go with the guy concerned about safety, I bet if he keeps working on that model more functions can be refined.
I'd rather not have a chip implanted in my brain. This sounds like a scenario you would see in a dystopian movie
True, the Precision probes are much less invasive and likely the better way to map brain function. At the same time, it doesn’t tell you which specific brain tissue you can stimulate to get the response desired. Both have their separate advantages and disadvantages. Precision will likely overtake Neuralink in making prosthetic robotic hardware work to brain signal. The challenge is making something that the body and brain doesn’t reject. Even Precision’s probe will cause rejection and scarring, and likely can’t stay functional long term. The key challenge is to somehow create artificial neurons instead of threads so that they will form more permanent connections to those neural centers without the body’s rejection.
ECoG electrode arrays have been placed in patients for many many years. The question would be are the ones made by Precision different? Precision’s implant, the Layer 7 Cortical Interface, is a thin-film microelectrode array containing 1,024 miniature electrodes, packed into a space of approximately 1.6 square cm. That really does not say much. If these are not recording single spikes but just LFP signals it is nothing new. Sure this information can be somewhat useful depending on the frequency but it is not the same as single spikes. I am not sure having 4,096 electrodes gives you that much more information you can extract than if you had an ECoG grid with 100 electrodes over the same area. This is probably why it is not that big of news if people were wondering. If they can utilize these electrodes to do something no one else has done Precision will likely get more attention. BCI potential is very limited in reality even though it gets lots of hype, the future of technology is in hardware-based AI, IMO.
Joe Rogan just interviewed patient 0 for an hour, it was far more informative than this.
cope harder
@@SD-vp5vo i dont understand how that was a cope...... they were just saying that they got more info from a Joe Rogan interview. you do sound bitter though, so maybe stop that.
The amount of bad takes in this video is absolutely baffling. Just like how no other country or company can catch up to SpaceX, the reason for Neuralink's different methods is due to their greater end goal. Neuralink's end goal is interfacing humans with AI, not merely helping disabled individuals, that's why their system needs to be more invasive. They need to be able to not just record brain signals but to send them eventually as well. Their next milestone project would be to be able to partially restore sight with an implant. I don't think the Precision implant would be able to do this ever, being on the surface of the brain. And why all the FUD about brain damage? Neuralink's first patient, Noland Arbaugh, is still very happy and grateful for being able to test out the implant. He neither looks nor reports of any brain damage. If you cared that much about brain damage how about making a video trying to ban contact sports like football or binge drinking? SMH
I agree. He's already giving up on it due to brain damage. Is there any proof of that? Another few mm of insertion might stop the threads working loose from brain movement.
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The Brain can handel some damage.. fact is there are people outside they got shot in the head or they hade an accident where they lose the half side of her head/brain and they dont die from these injures
If you had ever had brain damage, you wouldn’t be asking such a damned fool question! And yes, I have had brain damage.
@@kurtthealien585 They don't die, but they are often irreparably neurologically injured. Don't get me wrong, the brain can heal in some incredible ways, but it doesn't mean that it flawlessly recovers it's abilities.
Its not really a valid comparison between the 2 systems when the Nuralink stays permanently, but the other is just inserted tested then removed. How does Rapoport's perform long term?
What neuralink isn't telling you: If you use a device to give information, your senses decline. If you use it to process information, your brain's ability to store information declines. To remembrr, your memory declines. To make decisions, to motivate you, these abilities decline. Instagram brain rot is a gnat compared to this. And I'm a full on transhumanist. I just happen to know how the brain tissue basically works. Use it or lose it. You become dependent on your tool. In the worst case, a human could turn into a body incapable of doing anything without the chip.
Nice analogy of listening through a wall. It’s still early days though and very possible reaching deeper neurons will be worth the hassle and risks. There may be a place for both technologies,
Doubt you’d be able target specific areas on the brain by with a thing sat on top of it. I’d say they’re 2 different bits of tech meant to do different things.
Now THIS is a totally awesome video!! Please continue to follow up with Precision (AND ALL COMPETITORS) of Elon's inventions! 👏👏👏
...because Elon bad...
I think Ben has a genuine idea on his hands and is using his medical background to Implement the safety side of it too. Seems like Elon isn't the best at everything like he wants us to believe
This isn't new, you just have different categories of BCIs !
As you can imagine there's always a tradeoff with invasiveness and spatial resolution. Epidural implants simply cannot compete with intracortical devices. Or at least for the foreseeable future
How is Precision's array held tightly to the cortex? The brain doesn't remain perfectly still even though the wire must remain immobile where it penetrates the skull.
8:00 it may not work. But it may. This is how new technology is made.
Stentrode BCI by Darpa, and Precisions layer 7 BCI, both seem to be less invasive then the Neuralink, but Neuralink is focusing more on targeted area so I can still see the benefit.
But META is making curious advancements with magnetoencephalography as well.
BCI is making huge advancements, I can't wait to see where it all leads.
I really like this idea of a recording array laying on top of the nerve tissue instead of trying to poke into it. Also given how smooth the installation process looked in that animation, that gives me an idea for possibly using a derivative of that technology to kind of bypass the damage created by spinal cord injuries or deformities. Just like splicing two broken wires together.
Same for SCIs. I'd sign up.
Maybe do some research on Neuralink, they’ve already got plans for that.
@@oldmanstumpie1061you telling this person to get a bigger hole in their head😂😂😂
8:37 *there is no shortage
I don't really care who will make this thing first, I just want to know, if my view is 100x100, how big the ads will be? 90x90? And how many sec can I stay myself until somebody hack into it? 1?
Funny. But the device only reads and doesn't transmit into the brain
I literally use the technology used by Presicion in my draft for my sci Fi short story and the actual computational components wirelessly connect to the BCI film using a bio adhesive on the scalp with a max connection range of 0.05mm to protect against possible uninitialized connection.
Absolutely fabulous!!! Without experimentation we stay in the Dark Ages. The U.S. laws regarding patient safety are draconian even if nothing in the normal realm of medicine works for a patient and only venturing into the realm of the experimental may have a chance to improve the medical outcome for the patient. There is a fine line between that which is usual practice and doesn't help a patient and trying something experimental which may/may not improve a patient's condition but is worth trying to improve the patient's life.
Receiving signals is only half the story especially when it comes to curing blindness/paralysis. I don't think you done any research for this video other that grabbing headlines.
Neurosurgeons get super paranoid about losing their skill sets if they aren't using them. If Rappaport wasn't doing aneurysm clips, tumor resections and avascular malformation repairs, it's a solid reason to leave. At this time, there has been no lead migration/thread retraction in the second patient based upon reports to the FDA. Lead migration is the most common complication of any lead implantable device (defibrillator, spinal cord stimulator, Deep brain stimulator etc). This is very early gen technology. There are going to be complications and product advancements.
If Precision is working then why don't we have any videos of patients playing video games or doing anything else with their minds, like at Neuralink? Seems like you over hyped Precision, which may not work at all.
Are videos like that actually anything other than marketing/PR though? Playing Pong and typing with BCI was done 20 years ago, that's already solved. Creating an interface that is safe and sustainable over the long term is the problem of the current day.
@@TheTeslaSpace The guy was not playing pong. He was playing complex multi user computer games and was so excited about it that he played them all night long. He is Neuralink's biggest fan, which says a lot about the success of the product. You guys seem utterly uninformed about Neuralink and you're hyping a company that hasn't shown anything useful, just theories.
@theteslaspace comparing what Noland is doing with his (poorly performing) implant to pong is like saying there’s no use for cars because horses already solved traveling.
@@David-fv5cn Actually, the implant is not poorly performing. He lost 85% of the wires, but through software improvements, he got back 100% of the capability that he had with all the wires functioning.
@@billweberx at a maximum, the implant is functioning at 15% of its full capability. I consider this poor.
3:20 perfectly used meme!
Isn't the purpose of neurolink to help ppl with disabilities, so how is them not testing on able-bodied ppl a problem?? Wouldn't that defeat the whole point.
May the best win in this sector
One question I have with this is how can you change the depth of your sensors and still be communicating with the neurons that your system has been designed for? I know the brain is meant to have plasticity but I’m surprised they can still chase the same goal after what seems to me like a large move(?)
Software.
Neuralink isn't pushing the boundaries of anything. Brain implants are an old news. The only reason why there isn't more of them is because they're problematic. They require installation of either the implant itself or its cable in to the most critical and sensitive part of the human body. One small infection can turn a healthy user in to a corpse, or a bumbling idiot. And then there is the rejections, because human body is built to remove foreign objects. The real boundary push would be a biotech implant. Potentially something like implant with electrodes coated in compatible live cells to act as an interface between the brain and the implant. This way the body will never know there is a foreign object and won't attack the implant.
I wonder if the Precision Neuroscience approach could mimic the radar on the F-35 to do some type of magnetic beam forming, which would allow a static array of electronics to dynamically read brain activity from different regions.
7:10 Musk reading about the butchers nails in Warhammer 40k.
Elon Musk: I think this is a good idea,
Sounds more like looking in through the window than listening through the wall
Metaphors are hard
@@TheTeslaSpace Let's put it this way. Elon musk drilled a hole without completely breaking open the wall and tried to eavesdrop on what's happening in the neighbor's room.
Benjamin Rapport, on the other hand, carved out multiple holes and places hearing devices to get the most output.
One risks the structural integrity of the wall while the other can end up being effective in only combining the output from these multiple holes and coming up with a result the same as the former.
Honestly, Precision would end up putting a lot of work in just filtering the data because this would involve encountering too much noise. Which, while it might be safer than Neuralink, it isn't an effective BCI.
Who the actual fuck cares?
@@nikhiljoshi2961 Well, you don't want to give someone who is listening to the video the wrong impression. The proper metaphor can color a better picture in someone's mind. So yes, some people do care.
@@nikhiljoshi2961 obviously nobody with a pea brain such as yourself!
I would consider one after proven safety, benefits, but more importantly SECURITY. There will be NO PART of a device attached to my brain that Im unable to reprogram or have removed immediately upon learning of security issues
Are you going to change the name of your channel to “the Rapoport space” now ?
Precision sounds like it listens to the brain, neurolink wants full communication. Big difference. Precision might do an artificial limb, while Neurolink is shooting for an artificial eye.
12:57 Precision Neuroscience is doing ECoG work. It’s resolution is not has high as Neuralink’s thread implants.
Time will tell. I don't think your going to get good read write capabilities without getting in deep . You can probably get good read data , but not write.
We will see though , history will decide .
A business man telling a multi-PhD scientist what's better than his proposal must be the funniest joke of the human race
This is an anti neuralink hit piece in almost every sentence. No problem with the surface device but how was it to stay fixed on the surface to allow for the 3mm brain movement?
Do you know about the vastly larger deeper electrodes used for deep brain stimulation as for movement disorders? Many inches into the deep basal ganglia.
Another 'Elon bad" video.
One of your best videos. Well done sir.
lmaooo their solution ''Lets make it deeper'' Proceeds to give him the full 8
Elon thinks like a dick
I like your video but also feel it's very pessimistic. To suggest that Neuralink is dead in the water after just one problem in the first patient is very harsh. Plus Noland (patient 1) has said that his link even worked better after the threads fell out. These are tests, and we are learning, but i understand we must look at all aspects.
Thanks for the video and the conversations around this topic.
4:44 Utah Array was created by Dr. Richard Norman at the University of Utah. It is licensed to Blackrock neurotech
I can't wait to see how well the Rapoport device works in actuality.
Question: Don't all these long wires into/onto the brain pose a risk in case of EM surge near the head?
Back when i was a kid i used to sit and think how bright the future's going to be. So i wanted to know all about the world, but the more i learned the closer i got to the conclusion that we are on a path to ruin.
this technology is honestly unbelievable and cool but also somehow scary
I favourable to the Precision idea, but I have to wonder how they would stop the contacts from just moving around all aver the surface. Even a few neurons movement would require a new learning phase?
Good research man
It looks like brains are fighting external agents
This thing has to work. There's no other optt
The great thing is that even if Nuralink fails, it doesn't matter. It's not like we're investing in this company. It is not a wing of Tesla or anything. It is okay if it fails but its great if it succeeds. We don't need to be emotionally invested in this company. It's just enjoyable to see progress in this space.
That sounds like a great idea in all, but being a paraplegic, I'm going with whatever option comes to life sooner, and I've never heard of this option until now. However thanks for bringing it to my life.
Benjamin Rappaport's resume is insane. Imagine being that intelligent and doing what you are supposed to do when you are that intelligent! Wow! Very good video!
"Physician, heal thyself."
I wish i was able to test neuralink myself, i can be a potential study subject, considering my brain function isn't perfect and i have a story of atypical convulsion as a kid, maybe something can be learned about when you plant a seed in a bad soil xD but maybe it can help me fill the gaps of what my brain is bad at doing, like... Concentrating.... Or... Remembering
7:36. I doubt very seriously the risk is on a linear scale like that. I bet doubling the depth 10x the complication risks, or something on that order.
Why not incorporate barbs on the threads if possible to hold in place
It's not really an "interface" if it can't go both ways. Look up the definition of "interface". What you have here is a "reader". However, in the future, it could be possible to use phased array tech to impel signals into the brain. Just not this unit right now.
The future tech here will probably be an analog computer interface
Maybe the Precision people will MERGE with Neuralink again. I'm sure Elon will be quite interested in getting THE BEST approach, rather than just trying to be right with the inferior approach.
without competion amongst comanies nothing good ever comes about
in the future instead of apple vs iphone we gonna have Neuralink vs precision.
There is no way to skirt around the fact that when you cut into a heart during heart surgery, you cause physical damage.
I wish more people new about precision
WOW, writing off technology after 1 attempt. I'm going to do that with your YT channel that seems full of FUD. Imagine if Neuralink could have a second attempt and improve it, and then a third and so on. Did you do one of these episodes on Starship and write that off too after the early Starship failures. Lets see how this clip ages. BTW, I hope Precision works, but from my limited research it seems less successful than Neuralink.
I guess difference is that this device only reads, Elon would like to write as well ...
Good stuff. That is excellent work! You might not be welcomed on X with those kinds of reports 😂