I can't believe they left it up saying what it said towards us natives. I mean at least put another sign stating the other side of the story. The ones who tore it down where standing up for the voiceless of 1st (native Americans) Americans who had no say so about what was said on that monument.
Should have Beat the living hell out of them!! Nobody goes onto Indian territory tearing sh&t up now do they??? Disgusting!!!!!!!!! BTW, I'm Probably more native blood than you I can almost guarantee Sir.. You have a treaty card?????@@jacobgates1986
@@jacobgates1986 Many of the Native American tribes were brutal savages. The Apache, Navajo, Comanche, pillaged, raped, and murdered countless other Native Americans over the centuries. Same with how stronger African tribes captured and sold other Africans to European slave traders.
I'm pretty sure corner stone doesn't refer to monuments, like yeah the commemoration was for the fallen soldiers, but it could be a corner stone in a building in the plaza. I honestly doubt a "hermetically sealed" Tin box would survive out here though in the second place, maybe the monument has that slight lean on the side of the box, would make logistical sense
Wow to let people tear down history brown shirts are so easy to create. Maybe another monument or the community decide.. To let just a few decide for the whole state.
I don't think it's underneith the monument or they would of found it there. I think that it was probably taken by those who were in charge of it from the beginning and it never got to that posistion. I think it's buried somewhere else. Lets look at it this way. Nobody said from the beginning that it was buried right there. You know for a fact that it was probably buried in another place or taken by those who were in charge of it when it came about when those people got poesession of it. I think someone has it or it's buried some place else to protect it. Theres alot of buried History in New Mexico that can be found with the right equipment. People back in the 1800's buried their treasures to protect them and were killed so nobody could get their poesessions. I guarantee you if you had the right equipment you could find alot of treasures in the ground you have't just look in all the right places for the treasures.
I'm glad they tore it down , now they can get it right and make it solely about our patriots who did died in the battle of Glorieta Pass. Without the hints of genocide of the natives in the monument. And if anyone thinks other wise maybe the pueblos can erect a monument saying , this is monument is here for all the pueblo warriors who died trying to protect they're land from the Savage conquistador of the pueblo revolt.
What’s funny is that all humans use a landmark to cache something. So if a person was in a boat they pick a fork of a river being the landmark. Then it’s cached off that landmark where a tree is used or a unique shaped rock. One guy maybe traveling down a road and use a hill he can remember in the future. Everyone uses a landmark they can go right to with no map at all. Otherwise if a person chose anywhere would have to use coordinates. Nobody does that though as it’s inconvenient.
Many Native American groups had a subsistence strategy based on robbing, pillaging, murdering, and taking from other tribes. The term used back then was "savage" behavior. These particular groups were therefore called "savages". If you have a different term for people whose culture literally celebrated and honored and taught their members to be as brutal, murdering, cheating etc., so as to best exploit the other Native American groups for their survival technique I would like to hear that term. If some (certain Liberals claim "all") White Europeans can be called horrible, so can some Native American groups (who committed atrocities and horrors on other native Americans), and African groups (the African tribes that pillaged, stole, captured, and sold other Africans into the slave trade by the millions). Know history. Every group has a history somewhere of committing atrocities. To think Native Americans do not is to hold an ignorant and bigoted/stereotype view of them.
Its buried in Glorieta , next to the canon that is still buried in the wash where the battle took place... Also modern GPR- ground penetrating radar would locate it....
Ya excatly but also get the monument right and also tell both sides of history from a Pueblo/native American prospective. Cuz it was a one sided monument.
Oh goodness. Please understand history in context. Do not fall under the spell of the fleeting whims of transient trends. And stop using the term "racist". Maybe read Thomas Sowell.
My grandfather found the box in 1969. It is being preserved in a private collection. After the senseless destruction of the monument and an attempt to erase history by wokesters the box will never be made public.
Um natives are far from being woksters. They could could give a f*"k about that term . It's about telling the truth and showing both sides of the one sided monument that was there in Santa Fe.
@@jacobgates1986 well seeing how you’re the spokesperson for them, you can tell them everything is safe and sound and is being preserved for a time in this country when wokeness is no longer observed and History is conserved.
Find it....dont dismiss it.
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Leave it, don't destroy the city just to find it
ITS NOT A MISTAKE ITS A MASTERPIECE
Those 20 people that ruined this monument does not speak for the true New Mexicans. I cant beleive they were not stopped
I can't believe they left it up saying what it said towards us natives. I mean at least put another sign stating the other side of the story. The ones who tore it down where standing up for the voiceless of 1st (native Americans) Americans who had no say so about what was said on that monument.
Should have Beat the living hell out of them!! Nobody goes onto Indian territory tearing sh&t up now do they??? Disgusting!!!!!!!!!
Should have Beat the living hell out of them!! Nobody goes onto Indian territory tearing sh&t up now do they??? Disgusting!!!!!!!!! BTW, I'm Probably more native blood than you I can almost guarantee Sir.. You have a treaty card?????@@jacobgates1986
@@jacobgates1986 Many of the Native American tribes were brutal savages. The Apache, Navajo, Comanche, pillaged, raped, and murdered countless other Native Americans over the centuries. Same with how stronger African tribes captured and sold other Africans to European slave traders.
Thanks Rob Martinez
Forrest Finn all over again,,,
I'm pretty sure corner stone doesn't refer to monuments, like yeah the commemoration was for the fallen soldiers, but it could be a corner stone in a building in the plaza. I honestly doubt a "hermetically sealed" Tin box would survive out here though in the second place, maybe the monument has that slight lean on the side of the box, would make logistical sense
Wow to let people tear down history brown shirts are so easy to create. Maybe another monument or the community decide.. To let just a few decide for the whole state.
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I don't think it's underneith the monument or they would of found it there. I think that it was probably taken by those who were in charge of it from the beginning and it never got to that posistion. I think it's buried somewhere else. Lets look at it this way. Nobody said from the beginning that it was buried right there. You know for a fact that it was probably buried in another place or taken by those who were in charge of it when it came about when those people got poesession of it. I think someone has it or it's buried some place else to protect it. Theres alot of buried History in New Mexico that can be found with the right equipment. People back in the 1800's buried their treasures to protect them and were killed so nobody could get their poesessions. I guarantee you if you had the right equipment you could find alot of treasures in the ground you have't just look in all the right places for the treasures.
I'm glad they tore it down , now they can get it right and make it solely about our patriots who did died in the battle of Glorieta Pass. Without the hints of genocide of the natives in the monument. And if anyone thinks other wise maybe the pueblos can erect a monument saying , this is monument is here for all the pueblo warriors who died trying to protect they're land from the Savage conquistador of the pueblo revolt.
Dam !!! You are right. But they won't put the monument saying they died protecting their lands.but they Should put one tho.
@@bigdog3204 I'ma just put one up next to whatever new they erect lol gotta show both sides of the story right?
@@jacobgates1986 🙂👍
What’s funny is that all humans use a landmark to cache something. So if a person was in a boat they pick a fork of a river being the landmark. Then it’s cached off that landmark where a tree is used or a unique shaped rock. One guy maybe traveling down a road and use a hill he can remember in the future. Everyone uses a landmark they can go right to with no map at all. Otherwise if a person chose anywhere would have to use coordinates. Nobody does that though as it’s inconvenient.
Lmao! “The box, is either THERE or it’s NOT!” Boy, that’s an educated guess! Freaking Brainiac right there!
Hello I found it
Hot take Dr. Blinman is Walter White's doppelganger
Many Native American groups had a subsistence strategy based on robbing, pillaging, murdering, and taking from other tribes. The term used back then was "savage" behavior. These particular groups were therefore called "savages". If you have a different term for people whose culture literally celebrated and honored and taught their members to be as brutal, murdering, cheating etc., so as to best exploit the other Native American groups for their survival technique I would like to hear that term. If some (certain Liberals claim "all") White Europeans can be called horrible, so can some Native American groups (who committed atrocities and horrors on other native Americans), and African groups (the African tribes that pillaged, stole, captured, and sold other Africans into the slave trade by the millions). Know history. Every group has a history somewhere of committing atrocities. To think Native Americans do not is to hold an ignorant and bigoted/stereotype view of them.
Usually the box would have been in the limestone pedestal. Has anyone checked it ?
Its buried in Glorieta , next to the canon that is still buried in the wash where the battle took place... Also modern GPR- ground penetrating radar would locate it....
Have you found it?
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i am all for racist monuments being toppled by protestors and replaced with monuments of protestors toppling the monuments so history is preserved
Ya excatly but also get the monument right and also tell both sides of history from a Pueblo/native American prospective. Cuz it was a one sided monument.
Oh goodness. Please understand history in context. Do not fall under the spell of the fleeting whims of transient trends. And stop using the term "racist". Maybe read Thomas Sowell.
Are people in new Mexico proud to be called new Mexicans?
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man. if i knew they were doing this. id use my Ar15
And I'm sure you would be dead after the first sight of your gun and it'll probably jam as soon as you press the trigger.
My grandfather found the box in 1969. It is being preserved in a private collection. After the senseless destruction of the monument and an attempt to erase history by wokesters the box will never be made public.
Um natives are far from being woksters. They could could give a f*"k about that term . It's about telling the truth and showing both sides of the one sided monument that was there in Santa Fe.
@@jacobgates1986 well seeing how you’re the spokesperson for them, you can tell them everything is safe and sound and is being preserved for a time in this country when wokeness is no longer observed and History is conserved.
Is it 'woke' for the oppressed to want the true historical account to be made public?
The Peoples Demographic Republic of Sante Fe
Tear rest of it down,then pave over the spot!
You need to understand history, not the fleeting whims of current trends.
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I understand history just fine!
I don't give a rats ass about " fleeting whims of current trends "! Or for that matter your opinion 😂
Replace it with something else