TF2 vs TC2 Balance Changes: Scout/Flanker
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- čas přidán 29. 06. 2024
- TC2 is an interesting Roblox game that acts as a remake of TF2 in some ways, and of course that includes changing the weapons. And while some of these changes are good, others leave me scratching my head. So today I'll be going over every Scout weapon TC2 has changed from TF2 and talking about whether they were good or bad.
Music:
No Vacancy (Poker Night in the Inventory 2)
Train Rush (A Hat in Time)
Fiery Frolic (Cuphead)
Hartmann's Youkai Girl (Touhou 11)
The Road of the Apotropaic God (Touhou 10) - Hry
![[TF2] Scout's Most UNDERUSED Primary](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/4aj7yTVEZDQ/mqdefault.jpg)
I just wish TC2 had a mann-vs-machine style gamemode
rehaul golden pan
Yes please!
im pretty sure they had a mvm themed gamemode on april fools
@@criticalshooter8169 you are right, although wrong at the same time, on april fools they just put a gamemode named MvM but when you joined and everyone was ready it was a boss fight against troll face, but you could get 3 rewards if i remember correctly, if you beat troll face you would get the foolers fadango hat for flanker along side tokens you would get every time you beat him, however there was a really really slim chance of you getting a golden pan there, i think only 2 people managed to get it while the update was still on, you can check how the update was by seraching "Typical colors 2 april fools update boss fight"
I think the reason why they still havent done it is cuz it would lag the server with all the bots ai needing to walk around it different places do objectives and use weapons + the weapons abbilities so clearly that was too much for the roblox engine to handle so they are either finding on a different solution or they just arent making tc2 mvm but who knows
Quick side-note on the Atomizer stat of -10 HP on triple jump, that's actually a bug, not an intended feature.
Did not know that! But it's part of the weapon as of now so I included it in. And how does someone 'accidentally' add -10 health on a third jump anyways?
@@4komawa It was originally a stat on the weapon that was meant to be removed just how the TF2 variant once did, but a bug kept the code for it in despite the stat being "removed".
@@patrickstarr6605 or the devs are too lazy to find a proper fix to it (as they have been the past few months)
@@MintyTea_N probably considering all they do currently is nerf the Market Gardener into the ground more and more.
@@4komawa Just a question but i didnt hear anything about the flanker's lupara db, does it have a tf2 counterpart?
For the grill scout, you also get 50+ health on removing debuffs
Just like airblast (i think it heals 10 hp less but idk)
All weapons that remove debuffs give 50 hp.
So uh, that's a lot of hp.
I hope you do all the classes as well as more TC2 content in general. As a long time TF2 player I admittedly have been writing off this roblox version but it honestly looks pretty neat and some of these rebalances are interesting as hell
tc2 devs putting more time and effort in banning friendlies and nerfing the market gardener again rather than balancing their game
although i find this comment funny and mostly true, the mg nerf actually has a couple valid reasons
@@4komawa what twas the reason?
Can’t wait for the rest of the series! You just got a sub.
Side note, the soda popper used to have a double jump, but it took away hype if you did so like the BFB does in tf2. I'm not sure how much, but i'm guessing it was an 8th of full hype. The sandman also used to have that -15 health, too. The sun on a stick used to be in tc2, and was the brooklyn basher with afterburn instead of bleed and i think minicrits against burning targets? Well, if this is a series i do want to say that the southern hospitality used to have no hit speed penalty, but instead 20% extra building cost. Teleporters 60 metal, dispensers 120, and sentries were 156. I honestly miss it.
Finally somebody made this video about tc2’s unique balancing
still tf2 better than tc2 same as balance tf2>tc2
@@goulart_. oh god you're one of those tf2 fans who doesn't shut up about tf2 being the best game of all time :/
@@8anshee623 tc2 just stole valve just look valve to rolve tf2 to tc2 cs:go to cb why I need to shut up
@@goulart_. its a fan game on Roblox :/
@@8anshee623 than why it called rolve and not called valve fan community? the answer is they are not fan community they are literally stole
this is an insane level of video skills for someone with only 100 subs, this is extremely underrated!
Pretty entertaining. as someone who has played both, it’s cool to see the differences.
I disagree with everything said because tc2 runs somehow slower than tf2 which gives me a hidden down side known as "bullets appear 2 seconds after you shoot them" and another hidden downside known as "-20% movement control"
However I like how I get the +20% chance to dodge an enemy bullet because of my bs ping stat , that's a definite up side
That's just Roblox lag :/
I mean thats not really tc2's fault and its not really fair either cuz there are other servers in tf2 aswell that make you laggy or not so its just better to not talk about that
Not even sure if west asia server exist
Man,why havent i subbed yet!
Great videos!
pls make this a series for the rest of the classes
man you are just soooo underated, Amazing videos tho
ngl i wanted one of these tc2 and tf2 comparison videos
firstly, i love this - take a sub
two, about stock melee being different, it's kinda weird.
it's like, it's a good stat that correlates with the class, but trying to make it independent would just be like the solemn vow, so meh, just weird.
If every stock had a mini-stat of sort, then it feel a bit better, but the fact that half of stock melee has a mini-stat, stuff like the scout melee's carrying over the stock stat into some of it's melee making it even more confusing.
thirdly, i'm wondering how you're gonna handle stuff like for doctor, the stat of the solemn vow is just a mechanic of doctor, or the (mini)crits on shield charges are removed, and is a separate weapon (the ragin' bull)
can't wait for the rabbit hole of trooper, and the complete decimation of the useless tf2 Bison, against the debatably OP tc2 Raygun (literally, trooper's secondaries are so evenly balanced, it's hard to choose)
You missed the stock melee, which is the worse piece of balance ive ever seen in tc2 since it melts most classes with its guaranteed crits to targets under 25% health stat. They removed random crits but added this seemly to add back random crits
I didn't? And although I do agree an instant 102 as long as they're at 25% health is pretty strong, I don't think it 'melts them' since you whip it out only if they're at low health, which leads do the question; if they're at that health, why not just hit them with a meatshot?
Fun fact: scattergun is actually in tc2 just only for devs/people who devs decided to give it to. I once played with dev and he was using deliquent class (basically flanker) while i was pocketing him along side i saw him getting kills with scattergun a few times
The Soda Popper's lack of double jump completely kills it in my opinion. Charging hype takes too long to do and you're confined to flanking to do it, as not having a double jump makes you so much easier to kill in direct fights. It punishes you way too much for just trying to play the class as it was intended.
I agree but dominating somebody with bad weapons and making them rage is always funny to me
Cool video but im just wondering how you have the airborne annihilator
i thought it got removed
I don't have time to set up an entire roblox account just to play a team fortress copy
who asked for you to even do that?
@@taureon_ you did.
@@WizardCraft-ox4pe show me where
@@taureon_ ah for you see you edited your comment. to which the answer to your quesiton now is
i did.
@@WizardCraft-ox4pe i added a question mark? my comment hasnt changed besides that
I think the developers are trying to give each weapon at least a reason to be used. So something like brute fists VS warriors spirit. The fists Stat give you some slight supportive buffs. Like why would I use the stock bat if I can use the grill scout. The crit. Thats why
The boston basher being as fast as stock is great, you can damage boost with them
Great video looking forward to future comparisons if you end up making them!
Cant wait until he gets to the demoman who had his entire subclass nerfed to the point its not even Fun to play it
i'm pretty sure it was partially my fault since i remember dominating a dev as an iron bomber + tide turner + persian persuader annihilator
hey question why does his game look like that with the slick animations my game doesnt
Boy do I love roblox games with high skill ceilings
IMo the atomizer -10 health improves the weapon in every way. Due to the slef nockback you suffer, you jump higher, and with it you also remove the argument "free mobility" that lead to it being banned in sixes in tf2 comp.
In my opinion the third jump is usually enough for most heights, so the minor knockback you get from being damaged isn't really important. Of course it might just be a personal thing.
And yeah, I should have specified my opinion on this is from a casual standpoint.
@@4komawa the atomizer goes really well with the super sneakers actually
since the stats stack your triple jump becomes much more powerful
so powerful infact that it can send you flying sky high!
Random question
How are you gonna deal with weapons like the powerjack? Cause in tc2 it was split into 2 weapons (the escapists escapade, and the mending mallet)
The problem with the triple jump with the Atomizer is that it makes you jump so high that in a good portion of cases, you are going to take fall damage from it. Most tc2 maps don't have enough verticality for that high triple jump to be worth it, and I think having just a small triple jump like in tf2 would be much more usable.
yeah ive been using it more and thats a problem, plus the fact that the third jump makes you a sitting duck to get shot at while youre falling from such a height
I prefer valve's awful way of balancing, the stock scout really feels like a glass canon because your scatty is insanely powerfull at close range, but flanker's shotty feels weak and clanky to use. As for non stock weapons, I guess they are fine, but I never really used them because as far as I know the only way to get them is to buy them with robux, which is not exactly s problem with the class it self, but with the whole game, plus why would you put real money into a blocky mess with high ping when you can get the real deal for free and craft weapons you need
Unlocks can be bought with 'credits,' which can be earned really quickly by just playing the game normally. And I'm not sure what you mean about Flanker's shotguns feeling weak when they deal the same damage.
@@4komawa its actually funds but that doesnt reallt matter
4:36
I love how you say the PBPP fires 50% faster when the state say it fires only 15% faster LOL.
awesome comparison for the 2 games, if you ask me tho, tc2's flanker is a bit more balanced and fun to play cause y'know, half of the weapons dont suck and all weapons offer a good playstyle without completely shitting on the basic one.
Good video alltogheter, keep up the good work
Also sub gained :)
Thank you so much, the support really means a lot :)
@@4komawa i see you recently started uploading videos, hope you gain 1k subs soon! also will you make a discord server? i'd really love to join it and maybe give a hand with vids
fun fact: Tc2 was actually released in 2013, but when blue team was replace by green the game released in 2014 or 2015!
0:48 nice video and all but how did you get that weapon?
it got removed since the first typical horrors update
Some contributors got a strange airborne annihilator as a joke from the devs
i like what they did to the backscatter tbh
This is a good video can't wait for soldier.
Great video but I as tc2 player have been noticing stock pistol although it doesn’t say it’s changed seems to deal double dmg to buildings also I think you missed the winger although correct me if I’m wrong on the pistol I don’t play tf2 anymore and I noticed this playing engi/mechanic
For the Pistol, the only reason you're noticing it deals more damage is because damage falloff and rampup does not apply to buildings, thus when you're chipping away at a Sentry you're dealing base damage, not falloff damage. As for the Winger, I felt the changes were too minimal to warrant talking about it.
Idk why but my Wrap Assassin is giving me the double jump boost of the Winger, please inform me abt this
awesome ever!
Will you make another class?
Like "Trooper" A.K.A soldier?
the reason i quit tc2 for good is that the class scout was op since the characters are blocky the sniper was op to basically hit scan weopens that reuqiers aim are the best weapons alos spy sucked in tc2 because she mini crits on backstabs (about 125 damage or so) so no one hit
I can understand the argument, there are a lot of flaws in TC2's version I find annoying.
Yeah i do agree with the blocky model it make the game quite easy because there no way i able to even get 5 kill as sniper in 1 life but in tc2 i have get way more 5 - 20 kill in a life way more but then again roblox lag are just insane
"agents sucks cuz the op sidestabs were nerfed and replaced with minicrits" is basically what you said about agent
@@rowenamirasol3792 dude you couldent able to fucking hit side stabs because of the ping of roblox, the charachters being slow and roblox engine being terrible for making sudden turns. Now when someone plays agent they have to be very careful also did i mention that the chrachters are blocky which makes spy checking much more easier and getting caught up by the other teams hitboxes? Also the decloacking sounds are so fucking loud that the first time i played tf2 spy instead of tc2 agent i thought that everyone is fucking deaf they cant hear my decloack once i managed to hear the decloack from my teammate i get to understand that "yup it is definetly more quiet than tc2 decloack" also side stabs were never op it is your punishment that you couldent hear the loud af decloack and didnt understand that agents in tc2 can only hold the primary of the person they disguised as, heck it would have been better if they showed when ever they would mini crit instead of crit. I dont know about you but i played Rolve games enough to safely say that they will never and ever would take the place of valve and they will never be a good roblox game industry since the community and the devs are nothing but crybabies
@@drrroden ngl dude that seems like a skill issue cuz tf2 and tc2 are DIFFERENT and you should not compare them cuz one is more op than the other. Ok back to it. Characters are sloe cuz maps in tc2 are smaller and characters are more wide making them just slow sometimes, you can also complain about the ping in tf2 aswell cuz they also have laggy servers, despite the maps being technically smaller it isnt easier to find an agent like at all, they are still hidden and even if the decloak is "loud" cuz you were right up your teammates face doesnt make the decloak anymore easier to hear like have you even played normal tc2? (aka annihalator on def trooper on def or any class except agent) have you ever heard an enemy agents decloak? Like yeah deadringer has a louder decloak but thats always dead ringers downside and the reason why its still hard to listen to agents decloak is cuz louder voicelines like agents voice lines are pretty quick making it hard to listen when an agent says something and the classes feel like they have the same hitboxes as tf2 tf2 is just more slippery and again if you play tc2 you would actually know the feeling of finding agents its really hard
train rush a hat in time 👍
You forgot that the Holy Mackerel deals 10k dmg
Yeah
why cant rolve decide what weapons to keep or remove?
is there any tf2 mods that add missing stats text to the weapons (shortstop for example)
You could try searching on GameBanana but I'm not sure.
can't wait for mechanic, Yee Diddley
Boston basher is the best melee for comp, building Uber is just strong
wait, i never noticed that in tc2 it was called the brooklyn basher.. i always read it as boston basher
strange airborne annihilator 🤯
5:57 I have one thing to say. It funny
Part 2?
Bruh killed an friendly at 2:00
interesting video
There's also another new tf2 copy, era warfare
5 classes, caveman, knight, cowboy, Soldier and inventor! You can change your loadout to anything!
good video
Wait what? Atomizer can triple jump? How do u do that bruh i only jump twice
Years later valve:oh HELL NAH IM GOING TO ROBLOX TO SHUT THAT DOWN
Bro nice removed pistol u got there
I talked about tc2 to my irl friend and he played it
Would be cool if u can give opinion on weapon from tc2 that doesnt exist in tf2
"What the fuck do you want its stock" 💀
Uh actually if you make a community server you can turn on random crits🤓(Good video btw)
Ive got a burning question for ya.
Why the hell does flankers lever action hit detection feel way more consistent than scouts scatter gun?
Probably random damage spread. The Lever Shotgun always fires a fixed pattern so you can easily predict where your shots will go, whereas in TF2 it's completely random so unless you're at point blank.
You forgot to talk about the shoes
I don't think there's a counterpart in TF2?
The most thing I hate is they made the demoman white.
Ikr
The tc2 bauble dealing -65% damage meanwhile me landing a comical 105 damage long ranged shot
The bat deals -65% damage, not the bauble.
oh ty for the answer I was confused on wether it was the bauble being bugged or something else
what do you mean the grill scout is cleverly named? i dont get it
Well compared to a lot of other names TC2 has come up with (namely just alliteration,) the Girl Scout -> Grill Scout on a weapon that inflicts afterburn is pretty funny.
3:45 bro has 124HP i bet he is gonna steal a medkit from his teammates
Yeah despite the balance changes, flanker in tc2 is still busted as hell
This is funny because In tc2 I use the winger the stock shotgun and the grill scout and I always start a fight with the grill scout
I mean if you think about it, why bother using the Grill Scout as a starter if you're gonna kill them with the Lever Shotgun? It's just redundant.
@@4komawa yah but if I die in that battle if they are not near water they will still take a lot of damage one time I even managed to stop a entire push by taking out a medic with that combo after I died
And I have also found a lot of success and fun in that strategy
40 bleed damage for tf2's flying guillotine? Is that a mistake on your end or is that normal? Im confident its a mistake on your end.
Edit: okay, seems like my mistake on my end, you meant that bleed damage for flying guillotine deals 40 in total, sorry, my bad!
The atomizer’s triple jump is WAY larger in TC2
awesome ever!
7:10 I'm pretty sure this happens in tf2 (I've killbinded to save a heavy with this once
Soda popper was dead and became more dead, lol
Random crits actually exist. Only some joke / dev weapons tho
TC2 has very bad balance changes plus it being on Roblox makes it very janky, especially rocket jumping
Ah yes the only thing making a game different from eachother makes the other game bad, tc2's rocket jumping system being different from tf2 doesnt mean much since overwatch's rocket jumps deal dmg to you and dont knockback you at all and noone is complaing about that
@@rowenamirasol3792 it's janky, has bad weapon balance and is unfun
@@timmythepinky9137 no its not, learn how to do it, i cant even rocket jump in tf2 but i can rocket jump in tc2 and i dont complain that i suck at it
@@rowenamirasol3792 yes it is. trying to port over a source game to roblox shitty engine resits in rocket jump mechanics being wack. plus not being able to do a simple rocket jumping tf2 is a big skill issue
+self damage in TC2 is way too big
@@timmythepinky9137 why is noone complaining about sticky jumping? Or any jump in any other game? Like its always different you are thinking like its supposed to be like tf2 but you keep saying that its bad being like tf2 yet it having a different rocket jump that you suck at (im good at rocket jumping in tc2 so you have a skill issue here aswell) and tc2 self dmg is higher cuz i think its cuz the players are blocking making them getting hit with the explosion more
tc2 is neat but I have low fps because my pc is bad, and somehow still alive
Is it just me or anybody else that think a force-a-nature aka lupara DB doesn’t have recoil in TC2?
Wdym by that
@@NoSkill_fr the screen moves up in TF2 when fire Force a Nature but not move up in TC2
nice bideo
The sandman in tc2 can have the ball picked up and used again
Wait fr?
Yo can you give this BRAND NEW TF-Like called "Era Warfare" some attention? It's got TONS of potential and I'm 100% sure it will NOT be what you're expecting! I won't spoil!
I'm mostly trying to finish the series. Thanks for letting me know about it though, I'll stick around in the Discord server to see how it goes.
@@4komawa Do as you wish! Your channel, your content!
I usually play TC2 when I'm burnt out from Fighting sweats in TF2, I don't know why but TC2 is so much easier, the models just move very slow which is great for hitreg classes and the hitboxes feel like they're 10 times bigger than the Roblox model, TC2 just feels like a dumbed down TF2 with ear breaking sound design (To me at the very least).
TC2 does have much more forgiving hitboxes, and I've recently learnt that a lot of the stats related to melee are actually used to counter the ridiculously large melee hitboxes.
-10 he per triple jump seems like a buff cuz the dmg launches u so high
Both tf2 and tc2 will always be a timeless classic hands down
No more airblast of shortstop:,(
I can no longer do shove tactics on Upward :(
good video mate you gained a sub i love this video could you make i video about why pyro freaking sucks
That avatar💀
Сool
In general tc2 and tf2 are both good on their own. Tc2 having balance weapons, tf2 having the funni hoovy and some random critical SHIT And they are equal both to each other therefore meaning there no who better (Updates dont count since game have more updates doesnt bloody mean it good you ijit!)
So roblox tf2 remake vs tf2
Actually it's whether TC2's weapon rebalances were good ideas.
I feel uncomfortable saying the pretty boys doesn't exist in tc2 seeing as it did, but got heavily reimagined. I mean you use it to restore hp.
Meower
0:13
Oh, interesting vid- :/
What's wrong with the TC2 fandom wiki lmao
team fortress 2 is better its just reimagined plus tf2 got a announcement in steam and it say big updates coming
"full-on-holiday sized update" thats the worst thing to see tbh
ok
i still can't play in the netherlands
KUNAI PISTOL
KUNAI PISTOL
Except you die to 2 pipes while a kunai spy that got a backstab just fucking won't.
@@Waaz732 well that's unfortunate
I wish that roblox physics weren't so awful, tc2 is fun if you ignore that part
Bro i literally already did this on reddit, same username
Didn't know that, sorry. I didn't use your post for reference but if you believe I'm 'copying' your idea, maybe we can figure something out?
@@4komawa nah its fine it was more of a joke than anything and besides i kinda forgor about it after Arsonist so im fine with it, you can use it for refrence if you want too
@@4komawa nah its fine i kinda forgor about it after arsonist, honestly im fine with you using it for reference if you want