Rolling Stones guitarist Keith Richards wrote about leaving a Tom Jones concert in a deep state of depression. He jealously noted that Tom's groupies were statuesque fashion models draped in couture fashions and dripping with shiny bling, a far cry from the roady blowing rocker chicks that made their way backstage at a Stones concert.
Tom can still get down 81 or not. One if his best and closest friends is Stevie Wonder who went out of his way to interrupt his gig on The Voice to Stop and Wish his bud a Happy Heart and Love filled 80th Birthday. And yes, Tom had a tear in his eye...it was beyond sweet.
Oh boy how I remember my aunties and mom geting together and watching the Tom Jones Show lol They would all gush over this guy lol he was the thing back in those days. Such good memories of those times. Yes Tom was the ladies man, married but with such a great lady who understood to a point the entertainment biz. Growing up in the 60's reminds me of the innocence we somehow lost. Such is life and we carry on. Loved the reaction and as always, Stay safe and much love !
Those were just random women he kissed. A side note though, he was married for over 50 years until his wife passed away. Women use to throw their underwear on stage when he performed. To say he was popular with the ladies would be an understatement. He is 81 years old now and still has it. Love your channel. Hope you and your baby are doing great.
When he played Vegas, they’d their throw room keys on stage. I worked with a roadie for Neil Diamond and he said it was the same deal. They even had a special name for Diamond’s groupies, The Diamond Dogs.
He is coming to Santa Barbara Ca. this October 5, 2022 .... I have great seats ... Can't wait to see him ... He is 81 and I am 71 .... GET READY FOE A GREAT SHOW
@@ThePatriotPoet23 Bloody hell Karl stop it, jealousy exists my man keep it to yourself lol. Have a great time Karl!! I know you will for sure. Cheers.
Saw Tom Jones 14 times in concert during his prime ... OMG that man could wail ... and the dancing ... oh , and he wasn't hard to look at either !! He was a good friends with Elvis ... they often went to each other's shows in Vegas !
This performance was awesome with Tom doing his best James Brown dance and making the ladies go crazy. Loved your reaction Schnell and hope you and your family are doing great.
He had so much fun in this performance - it was fun seeing you vibe with it. I'm from Australia and Tom Jones admired the talents of one of our most popular singers, John Farnham. So much so, that he tried to encourage him to make it big in America. John declined and was happy playing to packed stadiums in his home country. I'd love to see you react to JOHN FARNHAM singing HELP - specifically the LIVE performance with the Melbourne Symphony Orchestra. I think you'd love it :)
If you have not seen Tom Jones and Joe Cocker duet cover of "Delta Lady" I believe its from The Tom Jones show 1970. Tom's voice is incredibly powerful in this performance and as usual Joe is awesome.
His name is no longer just Tom Jones. A few years back the Queen of England officially made his name Sir Tom Jones. And for many year he been the head judge on The Voice UK which you can watch the past performances on CZcams. He'll be 82 this year but just the other day he officially said that he will return to the judge seat for the 2022 season,
I mentioned a number of months ago when you first reacted to him...he was super popular and the women LOVED him. I also mentioned that he had a reputation of women throwing their panties on stage and giving him room keys. Having said all that, he was happily married to the same woman for 50+/- years !! How are you doing as a mother...sleeping, managing and hoping you get great help from hubby ??
@Schnell Jordan Reactions ...Would you like to see another side of Tom? A younger Tom... in 1965, still with that amazing voice, powerful and melodic, with some grit applied in all the right places. He's 25 here with his curly dark hair styled long in the back; expressive face with ruggedly masculine features; mod attire over that lean, lithe, sexy body; and that unmistakeable charisma that is all Tom. This performance is from The Ed Sullivan Show, and Tom is singing a song called "What'cha Gonna Do When Your Baby Leaves You." There are male and female dancers moving around him, but his moves are all his own. They aren't the wild and frenetic freestyling moves he gave us in "Treat Her Right," but better display his inherent sense of rhythm, how light he is on his feet, and how perfectly he has synced his motions to the beat of the music. So SMOOOOOOOTH! No matter when this man moves or sings, he has the music in him, and he has to let it out. And it's captivating every time. See and hear for yourself some vintage delight with this earlier performance of Tom's: czcams.com/video/N6OeXOy0E1I/video.html (Can't have too much Tom! He's proven himself as a superb singer and entertainer in any genre, any decade, any era! And he's so darn cute!)
I read a biography by Cassandra Peterson. She was Elvira Mistress of the Dark. She graduated from high school and moved to Las Vegas and worked as a dancer on stage. She dated Tom Jones. She said that he deflowered her and she had to go to the hospital afterwards.
Tom helped set a trend. By the early 1970s, established artists from a wide variety of subgenres were dressing in gaudy white rhinestone outfits with capes, and in several cases kissing the ladies in the front row and getting underwear thrown at them. Elvis. Donny Osmond. Bobby Vinton. Mick Jagger (he traded in his dirty sweatshirt outfits and went upscale).
Just come across your channel. Tom Jones has a number of great songs, but the one he will forever be remembered for is The Green Green Grass of Home. Doesn't matter what generation hears it, they are more than often left in silence. Great Great artist. like your channel!
Tom got married at 16 or 17 and had their son shortly thereafter. He remained married until 2018(?) when his wife passed away, although he was not faithful to her. He never denied his infidelities and simply said he would always love his wife and it was no one’s business how things worked in his marriage. He also has an illegitimate son that he has no interest in seeing. If you get a chance, read his autobiography. It’s fabulous, especially the audio book, as it’s read by another Welshman who sounds just like him. Love your reactions!🥰
Oh Well done darling!! ♥ Tom predates elvis' huge splash... he is a unique magical thing... possibly the only white welshamn with a latin band to ever rock like this ^_^ and you know what the modern age would do to this amazing artist..... I love your face when you really start to get it -- ^_^
Tom was not faithful to his wife back in the day and he regrets it terribly today...he won't talk about it at all but during the days of his tv show Tom admitted sleeping with over 250 women in one year...I use to watch his show in 1969 till it ended in 1971...
All he women loved him. Andit was known that he had a HUGE you know what. My mom loved him and my dad took her to see him. I like his music too. Women at his shows threw panties & bras at him on the stage. he is iconic
There were a lot more condenser mics used back in the day. They tend to have better frequency responses than dynamic mics but are not as roadworthy. They are often much smaller than dynamic mics as well.
Loved your reaction. Saw Tom once in concert in the 70's, Tom Jones was loved by the ladies. Women threw their undies on stage all the time and Tom always kissed plenty. lol Love seeing you young people learning these icons. Tom is still great in his 80's.
The Tom Jones TV show ran when I was in elementary school. When I was 11-12 years old, all then girls would be talking about him in class the day after his TV show aired.
If you love a strong voice and the most passion you will ever see you should check out Elvis Presley, What Now My Love, but be sure it’s the Aloha From Hawaii Rehearsal show.
My Mother and Aunts went to see Tom in concert back around 1970. I remember them talking about how the stage was littered with bras and panties that women in the crowd were stripping off and throwing on the stage! Also, keys were everywhere ...like keys to their houses or hotel rooms.
At his concerts, lots of women kissed him. His wife didnt attend his concerts. His manager didnt want the fans to know Tom was married and had a little boy.
Tom was the ultimate Chad, he was indeed married for 59 years to his wife Linda, but he's slept with some of the most beautiful women in the world. He has at least one child with another woman I believe.
I think the blonde lady they flashed to after he kissed the two sisters was his wife. She was wearing a black dress, they had an open relationship, it was the sexy sixties and Tom was 29 living his best life.
His wife must have been a most understanding and tolerant woman, loving him no matter what... Tom kinda brushes off the subject in interviews, I thing we can all understand why, when you got it, you got it! On a side note, you should react to the studio version of Thunderball, he kills it, rumor Tom almost passed out after the last sustained note!
You Have to remember. Elvis could not do moves like that, on TV. Others started moving like that, in live shows, and changed things over. Then came the Beatles, and they tried to censor the way songs were worded. Did not work there ether.
Hello Jordan 🙂 tommy Johansson, the baseplayer in Sabaton have started his own CZcams channel where he covers famous songs, please react to "you raise me up " one octave challenge with tommy Johansson. Its incredible. Would love to hear what you think. Thanks from Kent in sweden
I watched your Angelina reactions. I don't know if you've checked out Beth Hart but I think you would love her. Am I The One live or Her and Joe Bonamassa Etta cover of I'd Rather Be Blind. It will blow you away.
OK, I have to ask, is Schnell your real name or a stage name? If it is your real name then my minds imagination has created an amusing picture that one of your parents was of German descent and was very impatient for your birth. Either that or your delivery was easy and very fast. That image is based on the fact that schnell is German for quick/quickly. A fact that you most likely have been told hundreds of times. I can't think of another person I have herd of named Schnell, very unique.
If you wanna see some more of Sir Tom Jones' moving and grooving check out his video called Land of 1000 Dances. 😹czcams.com/video/Z85Pj7P9hhs/video.html
Hi Schnell, Hope you are well. Have you heard Homayoun Shajarian's new song? It's amazing czcams.com/video/Wu6POdzXNQE/video.html Translation: My heart cries again slowly Tears that fall from the fountain of the heart It blocks my sight I tell myself over and over again How soon and what a pity I have passed and I am still eager I passed and I have regret and love in my heart Like a pleasant morning dream Like a summer storm Or like a storm to the desert Like a thunderbolt in a dim night Or like a line on the ground Or like a footprint on the water's edge I have passed and I am still eager I passed and I have regret and love in my heart My heart cries again slowly My heart cries again slowly My heart cries again slowly My heart cries again slowly
Schnell I don't know if you've seen this but even if you can't react to it I think you would really appreciate another side of Tom Jones czcams.com/video/-Y9VZA_RGZg/video.html
Please react to the new version of My Funny Valentine by Angelina Jordan, at 16 years old, released February 14. This is perhaps her best vocal perfomance to date, in my opinión czcams.com/video/bWiLOnHJYxg/video.html
That was NOT his wife. His wife never went on tour with him and he was one of the worst womanizers in the entertainment industry. As a matter of fact, his wife knew this and he freely admitted in interviews that she told him that as long as he came home after his tours she didn't care how many women he had while he was away. She was one hios earliest fans whop fell for him before he became a superstar and was just starting out. As long as he stayed married to her, she put up with it.
Rolling Stones guitarist Keith Richards wrote about leaving a Tom Jones concert in a deep state of depression. He jealously noted that Tom's groupies were statuesque fashion models draped in couture fashions and dripping with shiny bling, a far cry from the roady blowing rocker chicks that made their way backstage at a Stones concert.
Tom Jones was well known for his dance moves and every woman wanted to dance with him, among other activities😉
My dear Tom the best entertainer of my lifetime. Love him
1:52: "I'm assuming that was his girlfriend, his wife".......bless your heart Schnell.
15 seconds later......:)
Tom can still get down 81 or not. One if his best and closest friends is Stevie Wonder who went out of his way to interrupt his gig on The Voice to Stop and Wish his bud a Happy Heart and Love filled 80th Birthday. And yes, Tom had a tear in his eye...it was beyond sweet.
Oh boy how I remember my aunties and mom geting together and watching the Tom Jones Show lol They would all gush over this guy lol he was the thing back in those days. Such good memories of those times. Yes Tom was the ladies man, married but with such a great lady who understood to a point the entertainment biz. Growing up in the 60's reminds me of the innocence we somehow lost. Such is life and we carry on. Loved the reaction and as always, Stay safe and much love !
Those were just random women he kissed. A side note though, he was married for over 50 years until his wife passed away. Women use to throw their underwear on stage when he performed. To say he was popular with the ladies would be an understatement. He is 81 years old now and still has it. Love your channel. Hope you and your baby are doing great.
His wife said he was not faithful..but they dealt with it. She wasn't going anywhere.
@@cynthiacowan8422 He certainly wasn't faithful- far from it, but their marriage did last
When he played Vegas, they’d their throw room keys on stage.
I worked with a roadie for Neil Diamond and he said it was the same deal. They even had a special name for Diamond’s groupies, The Diamond Dogs.
He is coming to Santa Barbara Ca. this October 5, 2022 .... I have great seats ... Can't wait to see him ... He is 81 and I am 71 .... GET READY FOE A GREAT SHOW
@@ThePatriotPoet23 Bloody hell Karl stop it, jealousy exists my man keep it to yourself lol. Have a great time Karl!! I know you will for sure. Cheers.
Saw Tom Jones 14 times in concert during his prime ... OMG that man could wail ... and the dancing ... oh , and he wasn't hard to look at either !! He was a good friends with Elvis ... they often went to each other's shows in Vegas !
This performance was awesome with Tom doing his best James Brown dance and making the ladies go crazy. Loved your reaction Schnell and hope you and your family are doing great.
He had so much fun in this performance - it was fun seeing you vibe with it. I'm from Australia and Tom Jones admired the talents of one of our most popular singers, John Farnham. So much so, that he tried to encourage him to make it big in America. John declined and was happy playing to packed stadiums in his home country. I'd love to see you react to JOHN FARNHAM singing HELP - specifically the LIVE performance with the Melbourne Symphony Orchestra. I think you'd love it :)
If you have not seen Tom Jones and Joe Cocker duet cover of "Delta Lady" I believe its from The Tom Jones show 1970. Tom's voice is incredibly powerful in this performance and as usual Joe is awesome.
His name is no longer just Tom Jones. A few years back the Queen of England officially made his name Sir Tom Jones. And for many year he been the head judge on The Voice UK which you can watch the past performances on CZcams. He'll be 82 this year but just the other day he officially said that he will return to the judge seat for the 2022 season,
Sir Tom still preforms concerts. Ms. Jordan I appreciate and enjoy your reaction videos.
I mentioned a number of months ago when you first reacted to him...he was super popular and the women LOVED him. I also mentioned that he had a reputation of women throwing their panties on stage and giving him room keys. Having said all that, he was happily married to the same woman for 50+/- years !!
How are you doing as a mother...sleeping, managing and hoping you get great help from hubby ??
@Schnell Jordan Reactions ...Would you like to see another side of Tom? A younger Tom... in 1965, still with that amazing voice, powerful and melodic, with some grit applied in all the right places. He's 25 here with his curly dark hair styled long in the back; expressive face with ruggedly masculine features; mod attire over that lean, lithe, sexy body; and that unmistakeable charisma that is all Tom. This performance is from The Ed Sullivan Show, and Tom is singing a song called "What'cha Gonna Do When Your Baby Leaves You." There are male and female dancers moving around him, but his moves are all his own. They aren't the wild and frenetic freestyling moves he gave us in "Treat Her Right," but better display his inherent sense of rhythm, how light he is on his feet, and how perfectly he has synced his motions to the beat of the music. So SMOOOOOOOTH! No matter when this man moves or sings, he has the music in him, and he has to let it out. And it's captivating every time. See and hear for yourself some vintage delight with this earlier performance of Tom's: czcams.com/video/N6OeXOy0E1I/video.html (Can't have too much Tom! He's proven himself as a superb singer and entertainer in any genre, any decade, any era! And he's so darn cute!)
I read a biography by Cassandra Peterson. She was Elvira Mistress of the Dark. She graduated from high school and moved to Las Vegas and worked as a dancer on stage. She dated Tom Jones. She said that he deflowered her and she had to go to the hospital afterwards.
Loved watching your reaction! Makes me happy to see younger generations experiencing him and appreciating him!
Tom helped set a trend. By the early 1970s, established artists from a wide variety of subgenres were dressing in gaudy white rhinestone outfits with capes, and in several cases kissing the ladies in the front row and getting underwear thrown at them. Elvis. Donny Osmond. Bobby Vinton. Mick Jagger (he traded in his dirty sweatshirt outfits and went upscale).
Love your reaction !!
Growing up, imitated his moves and James Brown. I new you would like this one 🤙.
Tom single handedly made this dance popular back in the 60s. It's called "the seizure".
Great reaction beautiful lady
Just come across your channel. Tom Jones has a number of great songs, but the one he will forever be remembered for is The Green Green Grass of Home. Doesn't matter what generation hears it, they are more than often left in silence. Great Great artist. like your channel!
Tom got married at 16 or 17 and had their son shortly thereafter. He remained married until 2018(?) when his wife passed away, although he was not faithful to her. He never denied his infidelities and simply said he would always love his wife and it was no one’s business how things worked in his marriage. He also has an illegitimate son that he has no interest in seeing. If you get a chance, read his autobiography. It’s fabulous, especially the audio book, as it’s read by another Welshman who sounds just like him. Love your reactions!🥰
A weekly television show . He drove the ladies out of their minds and they loved every second.
Oh Well done darling!! ♥
Tom predates elvis' huge splash... he is a unique magical thing... possibly the only white welshamn with a latin band to ever rock like this ^_^ and you know what the modern age would do to this amazing artist..... I love your face when you really start to get it -- ^_^
Long before the days of COVID there were plenty of ladies who would pay to kiss Tom Jones. My Mom loved him.
Not only is he is a great singer but he is a casanova- type of an individual from what I heard about his personality back then.
Over 1,000 Women would testify to that.
He had to keep the numbers down as he was married all through his career:)
Tom was not faithful to his wife back in the day and he regrets it terribly today...he won't talk about it at all but during the days of his tv show Tom admitted sleeping with over 250 women in one year...I use to watch his show in 1969 till it ended in 1971...
All he women loved him. Andit was known that he had a HUGE you know what. My mom loved him and my dad took her to see him. I like his music too. Women at his shows threw panties & bras at him on the stage. he is iconic
There are videos of Elvis performing with women lined up to kiss him... with their husbands waiting for them on the side... It was a crazy era 😅
You should watch Tom Jones with Jennifer Hudson create beautiful music on the spot in the Voice UK.
There were a lot more condenser mics used back in the day. They tend to have better frequency responses than dynamic mics but are not as roadworthy. They are often much smaller than dynamic mics as well.
Tom Jones “Try a little tenderness” 1969 please. You’ll have a new favourite!
Loved your reaction. Saw Tom once in concert in the 70's, Tom Jones was loved by the ladies. Women threw their undies on stage all the time and Tom always kissed plenty. lol Love seeing you young people learning these icons. Tom is still great in his 80's.
Thanks
Nice reaction to this great classic song, sweetheart
Tom Jones Welsh Superstar UK
The Ladies Man 27 Years Age
Not a Dry Seat at His Concerts
To cool...
Wow nice and best reaction ❣️
My sister lives in pontypridd in Wales where Tom Jones is from xx
Schnell, I have your Time Machine Limo waiting for you outside so you can attend this event with Tom Jones.
The Tom Jones TV show ran when I was in elementary school. When I was 11-12 years old, all then girls would be talking about him in class the day after his TV show aired.
No, Tom wasn't a Casanova! He couldn't stand disappointing the ladies.🤭😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🌹🌹🌹
My sister lives in pontypridd where Tom Jones comes from in Wales x
If you love a strong voice and the most passion you will ever see you should check out Elvis Presley, What Now My Love, but be sure it’s the Aloha From Hawaii Rehearsal show.
Tom (and Elvis too) were kissing ladies in the audience. Note that lower seating near stage was 'ladies only'.
My favorite is, IT'S Not Unuauall
You’re going to want to watch
Elvis: Love Me Tender Live, 1970
They called him the Tiger for a reason
My Mother and Aunts went to see Tom in concert back around 1970. I remember them talking about how the stage was littered with bras and panties that women in the crowd were stripping off and throwing on the stage! Also, keys were everywhere ...like keys to their houses or hotel rooms.
At his concerts, lots of women kissed him. His wife didnt attend his concerts. His manager didnt want the fans to know Tom was married and had a little boy.
You MUST react to a live duet of Tom Jones and Stevie Wonder on The Tom Jones Tv show.
No that was NOT his wife and yes he had fun all his life
❤
not a dry seat in the house.
Tom was the ultimate Chad, he was indeed married for 59 years to his wife Linda, but he's slept with some of the most beautiful women in the world. He has at least one child with another woman I believe.
this was the 70's. nuff said. ;)
Wow....he threw himself around!
And now you know why Tom had to have two new hips fitted recently lol
Great reaction and it was epic. Check out Elvis, "Suspicious Minds", you want moves. Plus long time no react to A.J., God Bless!
Where is your reaction to "My Funny Valintine" that AJ dropped on Feb 14 of 22? Tom has always been great.
I think the blonde lady they flashed to after he kissed the two sisters was his wife. She was wearing a black dress, they had an open relationship, it was the sexy sixties and Tom was 29 living his best life.
She was not approving of it but she loved him nonetheless, that's how I read it anyway.
Tom just having fun then he was went more fun. Ops! Happy Times.
There's not a dry seat with that performance I'll tell you that
His wife must have been a most understanding and tolerant woman, loving him no matter what... Tom kinda brushes off the subject in interviews, I thing we can all understand why, when you got it, you got it!
On a side note, you should react to the studio version of Thunderball, he kills it, rumor Tom almost passed out after the last sustained note!
Do you realize you was dancing in your chair almost all the way through this song
You Have to remember. Elvis could not do moves like that, on TV. Others started moving like that, in live shows, and changed things over. Then came the Beatles, and they tried to censor the way songs were worded. Did not work there ether.
Tom was married to his beautiful wife for 61 years till she died
what a sexy rich voice drives the women wild.
Elvis and Tom Jones would Kiss the Ladies.
Anybody who was anybody appeared on the the Tom Jones show.......
Hello Jordan 🙂 tommy Johansson, the baseplayer in Sabaton have started his own CZcams channel where he covers famous songs, please react to "you raise me up " one octave challenge with tommy Johansson. Its incredible. Would love to hear what you think. Thanks from Kent in sweden
He's always kiss the ladies and cloths
I watched your Angelina reactions. I don't know if you've checked out Beth Hart but I think you would love her. Am I The One live or Her and Joe Bonamassa Etta cover of I'd Rather Be Blind. It will blow you away.
and for the 70s vibe, try silk Sonic's 'leave the door opent
Hey, my third video! The mix is much better. Thank you!
OK, I have to ask, is Schnell your real name or a stage name? If it is your real name then my minds imagination has created an amusing picture that one of your parents was of German descent and was very impatient for your birth. Either that or your delivery was easy and very fast. That image is based on the fact that schnell is German for quick/quickly. A fact that you most likely have been told hundreds of times. I can't think of another person I have herd of named Schnell, very unique.
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If you wanna see some more of Sir Tom Jones' moving and grooving check out his video called Land of 1000 Dances. 😹czcams.com/video/Z85Pj7P9hhs/video.html
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I think Tom Jones and Elvis Presley held the record for most panties on stage so Tom Jones was a ladies man
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Hi Schnell,
Hope you are well. Have you heard Homayoun Shajarian's new song? It's amazing
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Translation:
My heart cries again slowly
Tears that fall from the fountain of the heart
It blocks my sight
I tell myself over and over again
How soon and what a pity
I have passed and I am still eager
I passed and I have regret and love in my heart
Like a pleasant morning dream
Like a summer storm
Or like a storm to the desert
Like a thunderbolt in a dim night
Or like a line on the ground
Or like a footprint on the water's edge
I have passed and I am still eager
I passed and I have regret and love in my heart
My heart cries again slowly
My heart cries again slowly
My heart cries again slowly
My heart cries again slowly
Schnell I don't know if you've seen this but even if you can't react to it I think you would really appreciate another side of Tom Jones czcams.com/video/-Y9VZA_RGZg/video.html
Girl, do yourself a favor and don't let your husband see your reaction to this video,it won't be a good thing
singers don't bring there wife
Please react to the new version of My Funny Valentine by Angelina Jordan, at 16 years old, released February 14. This is perhaps her best vocal perfomance to date, in my opinión czcams.com/video/bWiLOnHJYxg/video.html
Tom Jones was a womanizer!
Please react to Kings Exo.
I don't like your recent contents, I'm only here for Exo, all other artists sounds so average to me
Women threw their Panties &Hotel keys at him. He was The Ladies Man!!!
That was NOT his wife. His wife never went on tour with him and he was one of the worst womanizers in the entertainment industry. As a matter of fact, his wife knew this and he freely admitted in interviews that she told him that as long as he came home after his tours she didn't care how many women he had while he was away. She was one hios earliest fans whop fell for him before he became a superstar and was just starting out. As long as he stayed married to her, she put up with it.
He was a single sexy lady's man. The women chased after him to grab kisses. That was a thing back then. I was a little girl back then.