Buck Cleven And Bucky Egan - Masters Of The Air
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- Buck Cleven And Bucky Egan - Masters Of The Air
Gale Buck Cleven and John Bucky Egan were Squadron Commanders, assigned to the 100th Bombardment Group during World War 2. They had Hollywood Style and debonair swagger and were inspirational leaders to their men. This episode of WW2 Wayfinder I look at both Buck Cleven and Bucky Egan and the impact they both had on the 100th BG.
Based on Donald L. Miller’s book of the same name, and scripted by John Orloff, “Masters of the Air” follows the men of the 100th Bomb Group (the “Bloody Hundredth”) as they conduct perilous bombing raids over Germany and grapple with the frigid conditions, lack of oxygen, and sheer terror of combat conducted at 25,000 feet in the air. Portraying the psychological and emotional price paid by these young men as they helped destroy the horror of the Third Reich, is at the heart of “Masters of the Air.” Some were shot down and captured; some were wounded or killed. And some were lucky enough to make it home. Regardless of individual fate, a toll was exacted on them all.
The series features a stellar cast led by Academy Award nominee Austin Butler, Callum Turner, Anthony Boyle and Nate Mann, who are joined by Raff Law, Academy Award nominee Barry Keoghan, Josiah Cross, Branden Cook and Ncuti Gatwa.
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My friend Jana Gruber, is Hambone Hamiltons daughter. She told us to make sure that we watch this miniseries in honor of her father. We will.
Oh wow!!! That’s incredible. Please pass on my regards to her and my admiration for what her Father went through.
Did Hambone Hamilton survive?
Yes Mr. Hamilton did survive and he believes that the pilot freed him before the pilot bailed out.
Yes he did.@@truthtriumphant
I watched that episode. He was a lucky man there was someone left to free him. Heroes, one and all.
The 100th had their annual reunion in Omaha in 2001. My brother and I met Gene Greenwood at the union. I knew we were in the presence of greatness but I didn't realize just how great. I wish I had done more study of the 100th in my youth so I could have talked on a more educated level about those people who were in attendance. As we all know, it's too late to get first hand stories of their efforts at this point. I'm glad Tom Hanks and the other players decided to put this out this production so the world knows just what it was really like.
to know now that was a real quote “son of a bitch, you’re gonna sit there and take it” is so fucking cool,
My father, Albert Davis , flew 25 missions ( became a member of the Lucky Bastards Club) in the 351st/100BG from June -Oct '43. His plane was the Piccadilly Lily, the pilot was Lt Murphy. . He kept a diary that is very sober reading . He details the friends he lost and the battles they fought. His diary entry after the mission of AUG17,'43 is especially chilling as the 100th lost almost 40% of their group in that battle over Regensberg, Germany. He lists the names of his ' buddies' who did not make it back from the mission.
His plane had the same name as the General Savage played by Gregory Peck (and later by TV actors in a series)--"Twelve O'clock High". I seriously wonder how anyone survived any missions, let alone 25. I haven't seen "Masters..", don't have apple TV. The trailer didn't impress me much, I will admit. Dialogue was wooden, they came across like stereotypes. And I have a lot of problems with CGI--just doesn't convey reality., in my view. But that was just a trailer. I hope it is better than that. I saw "Twelve O'clock High" again not long ago, and to me, that looked far more real--even in B&W. But if this brings more attention to the very brave men, like your father, who endured the horror, and terror of the air war, that will be good. Because of the destruction those raids caused that is so obvious, too many forget what the men in the air had to endure.
@@marthae9338 Yes, the Lilly in 12 O'Clock High was the Lilly my Dad flew on. there is a reason: the Co-Pilot on the Lilly for several missions was Berinie Lay. he was a writer who published his first hand experience on the raid on Regeansberg on AUG 17, '43. Was published by the Saturday Evening Post. He went on to write the screenplay for 12 O'Clock High. He was interviewed and said he used the Picadilly Lilly and his time on that plane as the basis for his screenplay.
@@marthae9338 because of Bernie lay, the Picadilly Lilly was one of the more famous planes from the 8th AF. It went down on a mission on OCT 8, '43. Only 3 crew members survived to become POWS. My Dad had just achieved 25 missions ( Lucky Bastards Club) on the Bremman raid of OCT3, '43 and was in London on leave when he got news of his buddies going down. He had a diary entry about it. he reconnected with the surviving members of the crew after the war and I met a few of them who visited us in the 60s when I was a boy. What I do remember is that they rarely talked about the war. At least with us.
Steve thank you so much for this increase account of your Fathers war and service with the 100th BG! You must be incredibly proud and I really appreciate you taking the time to post on here.
@@WW2Wayfinder growing up he never talked about it too much except when some of his buddies from the war came to visit . Even then, they just said ' War is Hell'. We knew he had a diary and he told us we could read it after he passed. We found it , along with all his war medals ( DFC with Oak leaf Cluster) , in a wooden box he had kept. it included his flight jacket and some other wartime memorabilia. After I got a chance to read his diary, I know why he wanted it kept secret until his death. Besides the details of combat and descriptions of men he knew who died, there was a lot of entries about young ladies he and his friends visited in England. This was before he got married to my mother but out of respect for her , he did not want that out.
My father's first cousin was a pilot in the 100th. Gene Greenwood. His first mission was January 29th 1945. He did 27 missions before the war ended. He spent 32 years in the Air Force before retiring in 1975.
Oh wow! I've just looked him up on the 100th BG Foundations page! Thank you so much for that and I hope syou've had a chance to watch the first two episodes of the new series!
My son has the ability to watch all kinds of things on TV. He did bring up the first 2 episodes of the Masters of the Air and I watched them yesterday. The book by Crosby appears to have played a big part in the movie. ON a Wing and a Prayer. Gene chose to be buried just a few feet from his parents right next to his wife in his (also mine) home town.@@WW2Wayfinder
And he was one of the lucky ones, in my personal opinion. By January 1945, the availability of fighter escorts and essentially the Luftwaffe being barely able to fly due to lack of fuel meant your father's cousin (arguably) stood a better chance to fly 25 missions.
But as we saw in the first three episodes of the TV series, the USAAF bombing raids in 1943 had so many losses that there was actual talk of very drastic changes to operational procedures. It was only when the P-51B/C started to operate in early 1944 with its ability to escort bombers all the way to at least Berlin that losses finally started to fall in the eyes of many.
@Sacto1654 Gene signed up for the draft December 8th 1941. After high school graduation he enlisted into the Army Air Corp. He had to wait until he was called up before he could go active duty. After aviation cadet school and bomber school, he spent a long time flying around the western United States until his crew got orders for England. He had little say just when he would fly his combat missions. I guess it was his good luck that it was late in the war. He also flew in the Berlin air lift, Korea and Vietnam.
Movie star Clark Gable enlisted in the USAAF as a wing gunner. He was 40 years old and got a waver to enlist. He flew 5 missions over Germany, then got transferred to OCS. He rose to rank of Captain and served making training films. Jimmy Stewart served as a pilot and flew B-24 Liberators. He flew 25 missions over Europe and also served as a squadron commander. At the end of the war, Stewart converted to the USAF Reserve as a bomber pilot. He reached the rank of Brigadiere General in the USAF res. Other big name movie stars served during the war: Douglass Fairbanks Jr., Robert Taylor, Tony Curtis, John Huston, Errol Flynn, Burt Lancaster, Lee Marvin, Ernest Borgnine, Robert Montgomery, David Niven, Burgess Meredith, Hedy Lemarr, I'm sure I missed a few. Douglass Fairbanks created the original British commando unit, equivalent to today's Navy Seals. Douglass Fairbanks was the first big name movie star to leave Hollywood and sign up. When Movie execs threatened to blacklist him, he told them all to go to hell. He was going to serve his country - England.
Gable flew with the 351st BG, a unit I'm very familiar with!
As a 15yo girl I can’t even imagine actually being up there, but listing these kinds of videos makes me really think about how much these guys risked to go up there and fight for something they believe in. Amazing video, super well made!!
😅 it's so hard to fathom nowadays what these boys and young men went through back then!! We owe them such a debt of gratitude... The fear they must have felt trembling through their young bodies, yet they continued with their missions day after day week after week month after month... I wish we had a lot more series like Band of Brothers the Pacific and Masters of the air with movies like Saving Private Ryan and Hacksaw Ridge just to name a few of the modern ones!! We must never forget the sacrifices their generation made for freedom, and we can never allow for their sacrifices to have been made in vain, may their names live on forever, it is up to us today to see to it that their stories are never forgotten...
🌹💐RIP my heroes🎉🌹
100% agree!
It was also a physically demanding operation for the crew due to the extreme cold and reliance on breathing masks, who flew unpressurized B-17 and B-24 bombers at over 20,000 feet altitude.
Amen
Heroes? Air gangsters who terrorised the civilian population.
Unfortunately, the ME262 arrived too late to take as many out of the sky as possible. ⚔️
Heroes? Luftgangster die die Zivilbevölkerung terrorisiert haben.
Leider kam die ME262 zu spät um so viele wie möglich vom Himmel zu holen. ⚔️
Great companion piece to the series, bravo. It's had some push-back from some critics, especially compared to B-o-B, but from the first two episodes alone you can appreciate the level of detail and the high quality of the show. Looking forward to the next episodes.
Thank you!
I’ve seen a lot written on various social media channels already about it, both for and against. From my perspective, it’s bringing this element of the war into focus for a new generation which is hugely positive. If it’s not perfect, well that’s just the way it is. It’ll be interesting to see if it has the longevity that BoB has enjoyed (2001 to now and I think it’s more popular than ever!) but regardless I hope it inspires a new generation to pick up books and read the accounts of those men who did it for real as they are as phenomenal as they are harrowing.
the Apple series MotA has been fantastic. the opening credits get me in the feels everytime!
Agreed! The soundtrack by Blake Neely is amazing.
October 8,1943...my 1st birthday.....20 years later would join the USAF
Merci pour ce partage de vidéos rares ❤ avec archives inédites pour moi.... Bravoooo 👍♥️🙏🇨🇵
Nicely put together. Thank you.
You're most welcome, thanks for watching!
Great set up video to watch the series! Thank you!
You’re most welcome, hopefully it helps add a bit of detail the series may not be able to fit in.
Thank you for this. Great work.
Thank you!
Thanks for this one too, Jon. Very good job!
My pleasure! Hopefully it’s helped fill in some of the gaps the series hasn’t been able to cover!
Awesome channel, glad I found you 🫶🏽
Thank you so much!
Thank you very much for this important and unknown history, great vid
You’re most welcome!
My dad was learning to fly gliders and manning AA by the age of 14 in late 1940. He had a few stories of shooting at the British by night and then the Americans by day. Harrowing stuff. Gott mit Uns I think not.
So.., if I were to chuck in my tupence worth in about this series, it’d be a bunch of frightened, scrawny, young teenagers manning the 88’s, overseen by a invalided veteran of the Eastern Front with a filthy temper and a bad limp - just as my father described from his experience…
I meant to also say: very nicely edited WW2 Wayfinder. 👍
My friend’s father in law was a 14 year old AA gunner toward the end of the war. He said their lieutenant knew the war was lost so told them don’t worry about shooting at planes. The Gestapo drove up one day and tied the lieutenant up and formed them into a firing squad. He said if there was a plane after that they were shooting. Said they probably shot down more German planes than Alied.
Brilliant video, absolutely stunning narration
Thank you! I’m looking to cover more of the 100th BG’s history over the next few weeks as well.
Awesome video. Can’t wait to watch the series!
Thank you! And I’m the same. Tomorrow morning is going to feel like Christmas!
Thanks, Jon, for these excellent and poignant synopses of these brave men. I thought it was touching that Egan insisted on writing personal letters in his own handwriting to the bereaved relatives rather than letting them receive the usual official letters. I will always remain in awe of the men of the USAAF and of Bomber Command; their courage, to me, is unimaginable and must never be forgotten. A trip to the American Air Museum at Duxford is a must this year.
Thank you Sue. Knowing Egan took the time to do what he did and never shared it shows how much he cared for those men under his command.
Great vid, thanks!!! 👍
Thank you! Hopefully it helps to fill in some of the gaps the series might not have the time to cover!
Great story, thank you.
Thank you!
This was great. I’ve been watching ‘Masters…” and I’m impressed with how well it cleaves to the essential historical narrative. This was very helpful in putting it in proper context, and I’m tickled to see the connection with “The Great Escape” tied in. Great work, thank you.
Thank you!
I’ll have a future episode covering Buck and Bucky’s time as prisoners that’ll be out in a couple of weeks!
Perfect Jon! 👌
Thanks Kurt! Can’t wait to see it depicted in the series.
Then next up, one about Bomber Command! We’ll we can dream maybe.
My grandfather was a bombardier (Dale Bartholomew) crew during this period. He didn’t talk much about this time and I probably wouldn’t have believed him anyway.
Can’t wait to see the series.
Just heard some of his brother’s (Grant Andreasen) story which included being number 4 of the first 10 Scouts and Raiders who performed reconnaissance for
D-Day amazing men for sure.
Oh wow thats quite some family history! Do you know which BG Grandfather served with?
@@WW2Wayfinder 360BS (Joseph G Andreasen)
Gale “Buck” Cleven was my dad’s first cousin. Many folks mispronounce our last name. We are used to it. I just thought I would let you know it’s pronounced Cl + even, not as Eleven. 🙂
Well done Jon, thank you. Great story, can’t wait to watch the series. 🫡
Thanks Troy! I can’t wait for today, I’ll be binging the first two episodes this morning!
Surreal living down the road of Gowen Field in Boise. We went to the Warhawk Air Museum as kids.
Hello from North Nottinghamshire , England.
The land of legends - Robin Hood, the Pilgrim Fathers and the place where the Rolls Royce Merlin was introduced to the gorgeous P51.
Oh, and the Hawker Harrier.......well, the Rolls Royce Pegasus that powered it, to be exact.
Really looking forward to seeing this when it eventually gets mainstream release
It's been a few years since I last viisted Nottingham but I've been to Hucknall and the Rolls-Royce works there and it was great time. Plus Ye Olde Trip to Jerusalem is a great pub!
@@WW2Wayfinder Excellent. The RR site is a housing estate now, RR do have a small facility remaining though. This former aerodrome, until recently, was a navigation point for the BBMF travelling from Lincolnshire to the North.They don't come over now for some reason - many times I sat at home and could faintly hear Merlin's approaching and rushed outside. The Dakota came over so low one time with the cargo door open that the crew waved back!
Ah, the Trip! I doubt many who go in there realise the significance of the place - let alone the Crusades. We also have Flying Horse Walk (a small shopping area with posh shops) in the City Centre.
It used to be the Flying Horse pub - which, in the 1940's was frequently visited by Mr Gibson and his crews from Lincolnshire when they weren't on Operations.
@@WW2Wayfinder Good stuff. I doubt many people realise the historical significance of the 'Trip'. There's a model of a galleon in there that never gets cleaned, it's dripping with old cobwebs - legend has it that anyone who cleans it will suffer an unfortunate fate. Won't bear children or something like that.
Not far from there is Flying Horse Walk. A small shopping precinct which was, in the 1940s, a pub - the, er, Flying Horse - which was often visited by Bomber crews stationed in Lincolnshire when they weren't on Operations. I've read that Guy Gibson was quite fond of the place.
Oh, there used to be a pub in Hucknall called the Flying Bedstead - the nickname of the VTOL prototype test airframe. In 1979 the coach picked us up from outside the Bedstead and took us to Munich to watch Forest become European Champions for the first time.
@@WW2Wayfinder I've just remembered about a book I read (more than once) a long time ago - if you're really interested in the Air War of the 8th try and find a book called 'Wrong Place, Wrong Time' by George C Kuhl - who was a pilot in the 305th.
It's a very detailed account of the 305th BG on a raid to Schweinfurt in October 43. They lost 45 aircraft out of 60!
When they returned, one of the ground crew asked an officer 'Sir, where are the rest of them?'
'There are no more' came the reply.
It goes into great detail , listing every crew and their fate and pulls no punches as to who was to blame for the disaster.
So cool
Great story and prelude to what should be a classic series, right up there with Band of Brothers. Time to give the flymen their due.
Thank you! I can't wait for tomorrow. To see the sheer scale of the air battle and these amazing men represented on screen will be a great day!
Thanks again for watching!
Nothing "classic" about this one I am afraid. I watch Band of Brothers once in a while and it never get's old. I watched the first 2 episodes of "Masters of the Air" and it's like Top Gun Maverick dripping with Hollywood style hero worship full of computer generated wizardry. Memphis Belle was a much better attempt in portraying the sacrifice of these crews. I was hoping for something on the level of Band of Brothers because of the involvement of Tom Hanks and Steven Spielberg but it's disappointing hollywood soap opera.
@@rwo5402 It gets better, its not written like other 2 series.
brilliantly made video
Thank you!
Outstanding as always! Well done!
Thank you!
10 times rather watch this than the CGI reenactment. These were the real heroes.
Thank you!
I have flown on a B17 called Sentimental Journey when I was young living in Mesa AZ. And was a WWII nerd obsessed with the B17. Even have a tattoo lol. Idk I really enjoyed most of the series. The first 5 episodes were amazing. Yeah its CGI and there were 2 corny scenes but really good.
Nicely done Jon, it’s good to have some background.
Thanks Steve! Hopefully it helps to fill in some of the gaps the series might not be able to cover.
Excellent mating of commentary with period footage. I'm sure this takes a lot of time and effort, but it brings your story to life. Excellent job of telling the story of incredible events and men.
Thank you! It was a great video to research and then seeing Egan and Cleven in the series really brought it home just how much of a focal point their two characters were for the men of the 100th in those early days in 1943.
Impressive!
Thank you!!!
I live around 20 minutes away from Thorpe Abbott's,museum is fantastic,we are surrounded by ex WW2 air bases of the 8th air force,Rougham,Mendlesham,Eye,Great Ashfield,Old Buckingham(which has an annual airshow) to name just a few.Although all have a memorial,sadly not all have museums as such.🇺🇲🇬🇧
I love the Norfolk/Suffolk area and one day hope to settle around there so I can really get my fix of all things 8th AAF! It must be amazing to be so close to Thorpe Abbotts.
Regarding Old buck, I know Jim, the museum owner/curator very well and his work there is excellent too!
@@WW2WayfinderI'm
The greatest generation that ever lived 🫡
Absolutely!
From The Last Battle by Cornelius Ryan: evacuation of Stalag 357. RAF Warrant Officer James "Dixie" Deans and 12000 POWs were evacuated and marched as the predominantly American allies closed in on German positions. Many were weak and emaciated. The book continues...In the hamlets north of Boizenburg on the Elbe, the householders were startled by a distant wailing... Down the road tramped two Scottish bagpipers and behind them marched Dixie Deans POWs 12000 strong under a light German guard. Their uniforms in tatters, emaciated, cold and hungry but their heads were high.
A meandering march over 10 days from Fallingbostel .
Near the town of Gresse RAF Typhoons arrived and began strafing the starving men resulting in deaths and injuries.
Eventually Deans with a German guard (crossing to the German frontline) near Lauenburg was able to meet with the British 8th Corps to stop the Typhoons and rescue the POWs with the German commandant and guards.
those marches in early 1945 are harrowing to read aren't they. Some of the accounts I've read of both US and British POWs are harrowing and it's amazing any survived at all given the ordeal they were put through.
Dr. Cleven (yes he had an MBA from Harvard) was my college president in the 1980's. I spent three years around him and although I knew he was a war hero I had no ideal about any of this. He was a tough son-of-a-bitch who would tell people "I measure my progress by the number of dogs nippng at my heels." Still I had a great relationship with him. He was a remarkable man. One last thing, they pronounce his name wrong in the series. It was pronounced Cleven as in "Cleveland." I call him that for three years and I'm pretty sure he would of corrected me if I was wrong.
His surname is definitly a diffuclt one as I recently saw a video of him signing a painting in the 90's and the speaker from the 100th BG foundation pronounced it as they do in the show and how I've heard Don Miller etc talk of him but also other say it was you have said!
Regardless, must have been amazing being in Uni and having him around!
A wing and a prayer worth a read
That's a great book and Harry Crosby has become a standout character in the new series!
Great video! Thanks for sharing! Can't wait to see the rest of Masters of The Air. I'm also reading Harry Crosby's book A Wing and A Prayer and after that the book Masters of The Air. Great reads and helps pass the time between episodes.
You're most welcome! and likewise, I can't wait for Fridays episode about Regensburg! Crosby's book is a wonderful read and I really need to pick it up again as it's ben a couple of years since I last read it.
Again Jon very informative. I can't wait to see this show. Also you flying in the P 51 was very informative. I had a lot of questions answered. I had a little View on what the pilot saw through the cockpit. Thanks again, stay safe.
Thanks Mike! Hopefully it helps inform the characters and provides a bit of background the series may not have time/scope to cover!
The Mustang ride was out of this world! Still makes me smile to this day, I’m just glad though it was in friendly skies!
Great insight! Happy that I saw it but also a bit sad as it spoils what is to come :)
So far, has to be said, Butler and Turner are doing our heroes the justice!
Thank you.
If anyone ever gets the chance visit the Norfolk and Suffolk aviation museum at flixton, it's an underrated gem and there's loads of stuff about the 100th there in memorabilia
Thanks for that! I've not been to Flixton but I'm aware of it. Harrington is another excellent museum but in Northamptonshire flying clandestine B-24's dropping agents and supplies deep behind enemy lines!
Northants is further west interesting. I lived I Diss for a few years and the whole area has a massive American WW2 presence memorials everywhere, there's a really good book I bought the military airfileds of E Anglia by Ken Delve highly recommended with original aerial photos
@@aurellio33All the airfields were no more then 8 miles apart from another airfield
Another excellent video. It gives us a detailed introduction to two of the main players in "Masters of the Air". Thank you for you detailed research. I'm subscribing to Apple+ to watch the series.
Thank you! Hopefully it covers of some of the big picture stuff concerning their back stories and maybe even adds some details depending on the depth/scope that the series has been able to go into!
thanks for the spoilers, Genuinely not complaining, I clicked on the video for the spoilers :)
Glad you enjoyed it! I’ve just watched Episode 4 and all I can say is wow!
Episode 5 is going to be a tough watch!!!!
Howdy from Texas! I live about 6 miles from Randolph Air Force Base. Future U.S. Air Force Aviators fly right over my home during their initial flight training.
Oh fantastic! Wasn’t aware it was still in active service! Great to know it’s still under the command of the USAF and tomorrows pilots are training there!
@@WW2Wayfinder Yes- a very busy base and part of Joint Base San Antonio (Lackland AFB, Randolph AFB and Fort Sam Houston).
I've heard it said (and then repeated a few more times) that (statistically) USAAF bomber pilots and crews suffered more fatalities in WWII than any other segment/position in the US military. Considering other groups like demolition teams, Marines during Pacific landings and subsequent jungle warfare, tank commanders, and even fighter pilots...that's saying quite a lot.
Its quite incredible isn't it.
Not even 15 seconds in, and those shots of Thrope Abbots got me pumped up.
Thorpe Abbotts is such a great place to visit, there’s something very special about being able to stand on that control tower and look out over the old airfield!
@@WW2WayfinderCouldn’t agree more it’s worth a visit the volunteers there are superb and helpful
Great video, I've been to Thorpe Abbots and there's a lot of old ammo huts and a barracks seen from footpaths nearby. Looking forward to masters of the air. Keep up the good work
It's a wonderful museum isn't it. The control tower there is amazing and to stand and look out over the airfield just sends shivers down my spine! Thanks for watching and hope you enjoy the series when it starts tomorrow!
@@WW2Wayfinderamazing how they got lorries to the airfield such small lanes
Just a note about pronouncing village names in Norfolk, if it ends in burgh it pronounced bura not berg 👍🏼👍🏼
Amazing work Jon, just built my excitement for MotA tomorrow further. Thank you.
Thanks mate! Tomorrow is going to be great!
Looking forward to your trip this weekend to Inkpen and covering the 6th Airborne!
@@WW2Wayfinder thanks mate, hopefully have it edited by Sunday
Nice one! The drone footage will be amazing as long as there's no more storms!
@@WW2Wayfinder fingers crossed its due to be calm
Maybe in the Air Force you can have two guys with similar sounding nicknames, if they use call signs or last names.
In a Finnish jaeger company we had a female team leader called Sonja Larikka, referred to as Sgt. Larikka. But then a new conscript called Joni Laurikka got drafted into the company, and now Sonja becomes "Dominatrix" due to her loud voice and tendency to be in a miserable mood in the mornings.
See, Laurikka and Larikka sound the same when machine guns are firing and grenades are going off.
The Greatest Generation!!
Absolutely!
The allied pilots nicknamed the Luftwaffe fighter pilots that would scramble over Bremen as “the bastards of Bremen”. They were a notorious group.
Once the POW camps were liberated, where did they take guys like Eagan? I seriously doubt he made it back to Thorpe Abbots in time for the Chowhound missions like the MoTA depicts.
I've not read anything to state he participated in Chowhound (of course not to say there wasn't the possiblity). I think it was a fabricated situation to help round off the series but happy to be corrected on that point!
The men themselves from the camp at Moosburg were held there for a while, as it took time for the Army to sort out the logistics of getting the 1000's of men back home. Initially though they remained in the camp as it was the only way the 3rd Army could administer the situation and keep it under some sort of control.
The German 20 mm shells were the most effective of all 20 mm they contained 50 % more explosive fill which was mixed with encindiary ! These were deadly for the bombers !
Agreed, they were lethal if they hit their intended target.
Was it common to rise that quickly in rank as Cleven and Egan did? Over the course of about 3 years they went from 2nd Lt. to Major, a rise of three ranks.
They both joined in 1940 and after America joined the war in December 1941 the USAAF expanded rapidly so being pre-war Officers they were accelarated up the ranks. Almost a right place, right time situation for a lot of pre-war officers in the USAAF.
why cant they get ww2 air combat right any more, for some one that has seen an actual aircraft fly, it is hard to see, was waiting a decade for this
When I was 19 I was in the Army- but what a dumb ass.
Those “Greatest Generation” guys were real men back then- so impressive.
I met a B-24 pilot once he was only 19 in charge of the bomber in 10 crew.
At 19 I barely could do PMCS on a equipment trailer 🤣
It's incredible isn't it what they went through at such a young age and with realtively so little training yet being expected to use equipment that was so advanced for it's day.
@@WW2Wayfinder
So amazing!!!!
Bucky Elvis Presley didn't sing a song in this series at all!
You do know you need to let this fixation you have about Butler go... it also is very disrespectful to the whole purpose of this incredible video ‼️
Also fyi, Austin played Buck not Bucky 🙄
The 100th. B.G. was unusual in that it was equipped with B.17s, whereas most of the other USAAF airfields in Norfolk had B.24s.
Very true! It would be great if they could feature some B-24’s in the series.
Thorpes Abbotts is right on the boundary of Norfolk and Suffolk. Its about as far south as Norfolk gets and the Control tower is about 3km from the boundary.
Amazing story. Looking forward to the series. Honoring the 100th I have started a dedication build on my YT channel : 1/48 B-17G ✨👍✨
Thank you! I’ve got a Monogram 1/48 B17G in my stash I need to start at some point but it looks quite daunting!
@@WW2Wayfinder cool! It’s quite a project indeed, and when finished it takes up some space 🤭
I'm sure I heard somewhere that the American military were planning to remove the B24 from the European theatre of ops due to the high attrition rate compared to the B17, if the campaign had carried on much longer. Can you confirm this?
Not something I’ve heard before, however it would make sense to a degree especially given the number of Forts vs. Libs in the UK and streaming line the supply lines to just support one 4 engine type in the ETO which would all lend weight to any argument to remove it and integrate remaining airframes into Theatres that operated the B-24 in greater numbers.
@@WW2Wayfinder Thanks to the Libs long range they helped immensely in bringing the Uboats down
Does anyone know why John Egan didn't escape with Gale Cleven during the Prisoner of War (POW) march in Germany? I'm curious to know why the two didn't stay together during the treacherous march and escape together. Was Egan too weak to escape with Cleven and the two other POWs?
I'm glad to have learned that the US POW Airmen were not executed after the Great Escape attempt. I am surprised that none of them participated in the Great Escape. Isn't it because they were bunked elsewhere from where the tunnel was being dug, WW2 Wayfinder?
For Egan and Cleven and their time as POWs, I’ve got an episode filmed on location that’ll be coming out shortly which will explain what took place in the last few weeks of the war.
Regarding the Great Escape from STALAGLUFT III, they were in different compounds. The site at Sagan was huge and the US POWs we’re in the Southern Compound while the escape attempt was launched from the Northern Compound.
The amount of publicity mota is receiving doesn't seem to bode well for the miniseries' quality
I’d respectfully disagree. When BoB and to and extent The Pacific came out social media didn’t exist or it wasn’t what it is today. Masters is a great series and really encapsulates the feeling of the era
I also respectfully disagree.. if you are listing to this incredible video you find that a large portion of MOTA is accurate. The cast is amazing and has also drawn a much wider range of viewers. I am also sure ( definitely myself ) this will generate a whole new generation wanting to learn more.
They needed one for acting 'cos the other just pouts on camera.
Two characters I really couldn't GAF about.
At least the aircraft has personality!
This is about the real Egan and Cleven with only a small nod to the actors protraying them in Masters Of The Air.
@@WW2Wayfinder So you'd think they could give those characters some decent dialogue.
저게 한국어 자막이라고?
Yes, done via Google Translate so hope they’re ok???
@@WW2Wayfinder no, lt says just meaningless nonsense.
Spoiler Alert!
At the 6th minute of the video you show information about a German named Friedrich Wilhelm von Lindeiner-Wildau. You write that he was born in "Kłodzko, Poland". That's not true. He was German, born in Germany (which was then called Deutsches Kaiserreich), in the city of Glatz - which was located on the current territory of Poland in 1945 as a result of the agreements of the Potsdam Conference. Therefore, it is completely untrue to write that he was born in Poland... He was born in 1880 in a German city, which, as a result of historical changes, fell to Poland 65 years later :)
Correct but if I put the old and no longer used place name for the town no one would be able to find it.
Where is this miniseries playing on ? Thank-you in advance. 🫡 🇺🇸
It’s on Apple TV+
They have a weeks free trial I believe so if you’re able to wait until the end of the series you could sign up for a week and try and watch all episodes in one go!
@WW2Wayfinder ya I found that out & found out it's not part of our subscription 😢😢😢
So cool