as a pilot, and a Western Australian (that grew up on MMA and Ansett) and a 1982 ARN I just think I cried through this whole video! Great stuff. My early flights with the folks to the East were in RMX!
I have the pleasure of flying with now Capt Greg Pearce (F/O in this Vid) these days on the 'Bus' & have known Glen (the Flt Engineer) for many years, Glen is now retired from flying & living the dream:-) Ansett, once a dream place to work, now just a distant memory sadly.
Had the privilege of a cockpit visit on a Australian Airlines 727 many years ago (before 911), which was a real thrill for an up and coming commercial pilot.
I would say the 727 was/is the BEST model ever produced by Boeing - hands down!!. Comfortable, little noise, smooth! Fabulous! They should reintroduce it.
here in the states we use flaps 30 for landing. In fact, FAA put bolts into the quadrant so you can't even select them to 40. However, you could always extend them to that with alternate flaps sw.
triplanelover My Cessna 172 manual states that slips are not to be attempted with 40 degrees of flaps but I've done it many times with no problems. I'm curious as to why the 40 degree setting would be prohibited on a 727.
+Brian Gillespie With less than perfect airspeed and glide slope management, at flaps 40 the 727 could get into a dangerously high sink rate that might not be recoverable. It is my understanding however that it was not the FAA who mandated the quadrant blocking for the 40 setting but particular airline policies.
It's because at flaps 40 the 727 can get to a very high angle of attack before stalling, and because of the high tail the airflow off the stalling wing can hit the horizontal stabiliser and elevators, causing pitch control to be lost and therefore making recovery from the stall very difficult. This is known as a deep stall. At flaps 30 or less the plane will stall before the angle of attack is high enough for this to be an issue.
Perth airport back in the day....it's like a time warp, Rwy 21 hasn't changed, except perhaps it's magnetic heading which is now 196 degrees so you'd think they'd change it to Rwy 20, but change is slow in WA.
Use to love flying Ansett was a great airline to fly with, sad they went under. There was a saying back then. Chancette with Ansett & TAA Try another airline. 😂😅☺️.
+Edoardo Daneo Yes, I think the theory was to help increase inboard flap track life by reducing 1&3 reverse thrust forward deflection of inboard flap segments.
It's also interesting that they used 40 degrees, many 727 operators limited maximum landing flap to 30 even (in some cases) installing a mechanical stop to prevent 40 being selected. This action was apparently taken as a result of the view that the high sink rates and/or stalls which were associated with flaps 40 were a factor in some accidents.
Yes I was aware of that. But where I live, the 727 100/200 was operated for decades by the airline depicted in the video & routinely used 40 flap if conditions & landing weight permitted. The lower landing speeds helped extend tyre life, brake life & reduced taxi time which was a consideration.
as a pilot, and a Western Australian (that grew up on MMA and Ansett) and a 1982 ARN I just think I cried through this whole video! Great stuff. My early flights with the folks to the East were in RMX!
I have the pleasure of flying with now Capt Greg Pearce (F/O in this Vid) these days on the 'Bus' & have known Glen (the Flt Engineer) for many years, Glen is now retired from flying & living the dream:-) Ansett, once a dream place to work, now just a distant memory sadly.
Whoa! this is going back a long time.
Had the privilege of a cockpit visit on a Australian Airlines 727 many years ago (before 911), which was a real thrill for an up and coming commercial pilot.
Bugger me, so did I in 1988 going Adelaide - Sydney.
Loved it beautiful airplane. Aussie Bob 😊
I lost count how many times I watched my father land jets while he was with Ansett, before the pilot's dispute.
Thank you for the uploads! Keep them coming
I would say the 727 was/is the BEST model ever produced by Boeing - hands down!!. Comfortable, little noise, smooth! Fabulous! They should reintroduce it.
awesome video, thanks.
Magnificent 727's
Loved the Special Operations Manual behind the Caps seat... Was always full of inspirational material lol
Pretty sure it was called the "Special Nympho Book "
Thanks for sharing.
What a great video.
Wow great Vid, thanks for sharing
Wow, no one liked this comment...dont worries..after 7 years ima like it!
I remember the days.
here in the states we use flaps 30 for landing. In fact, FAA put bolts into the quadrant so you can't even select them to 40. However, you could always extend them to that with alternate flaps sw.
triplanelover My Cessna 172 manual states that slips are not to be attempted with 40 degrees of flaps but I've done it many times with no problems. I'm curious as to why the 40 degree setting would be prohibited on a 727.
+Brian Gillespie
With less than perfect airspeed and glide slope management, at flaps 40 the 727 could get into a dangerously high sink rate that might not be recoverable. It is my understanding however that it was not the FAA who mandated the quadrant blocking for the 40 setting but particular airline policies.
It's because at flaps 40 the 727 can get to a very high angle of attack before stalling, and because of the high tail the airflow off the stalling wing can hit the horizontal stabiliser and elevators, causing pitch control to be lost and therefore making recovery from the stall very difficult. This is known as a deep stall. At flaps 30 or less the plane will stall before the angle of attack is high enough for this to be an issue.
ive been on that Austra,ian Air Express 727 ,,rode in Jump seat to perth and back from melbourne a few times
GRACIAS AMIGO SALUDOS
that sounds like a young Peter Roche in the tower doing ADC and Gmc. One man towers for the night shifts in those days.
Perth airport back in the day....it's like a time warp, Rwy 21 hasn't changed, except perhaps it's magnetic heading which is now 196 degrees so you'd think they'd change it to Rwy 20, but change is slow in WA.
What little do you know. Do you even live in Australia let alone perth?
Old school landing..
Use to love flying Ansett was a great airline to fly with, sad they went under.
There was a saying back then. Chancette with Ansett & TAA Try another airline. 😂😅☺️.
As an Ansett flight attendant, we said it often .
Must be the camera angle but at 7:00 looks like 40 deg. Scary to watch.
Korda Mentha Airways the safeway to travel
ATPL Flight Planning in action
Did the co-pilot raise the spoilers by hand at landing? No armed spoilers?
PointyTailofSatan
yes...he did manually
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only the cockpit lands? what happens to the rest of the aircraft?. the name of the video should be "cockpit view landing"
Now THATS funny!
bigtaxrefund
Most of us don't need every detail explained to us. ;)
Interesting...they raise the flap from 40° to 25° after touchdown.....
+Edoardo Daneo Yes, I think the theory was to help increase inboard flap track life by reducing 1&3 reverse thrust forward deflection of inboard flap segments.
It's also interesting that they used 40 degrees, many 727 operators limited maximum landing flap to 30 even (in some cases) installing a mechanical stop to prevent 40 being selected. This action was apparently taken as a result of the view that the high sink rates and/or stalls which were associated with flaps 40 were a factor in some accidents.
Yes I was aware of that. But where I live, the 727 100/200 was operated for decades by the airline depicted in the video & routinely used 40 flap if conditions & landing weight permitted. The lower landing speeds helped extend tyre life, brake life & reduced taxi time which was a consideration.
To increase braking effectiveness by allowing gear struts toco press by removing more lift..shortening the landing run
Flaps 45 eh..??
3:00 easy enough when no cross wind and turbulence.
Where is the engine sound?
Away back to to the rear. Are you unaware that this was a 72?
Rothschild Aviation very interesting a subsidiary of Qantas...this family seem to own the whole world.
+chess747 they do own the world.
No Tonkin hwy . No international airport.
Flat earth?
Good sterile cockpit unlike PSA flight 182.
Do you have to put up with that annoying sound the whole time? That would really shit me.
cracks through out the ansett 737 fleet fuselages, what a joke. ansett became a disgrace ,