Macedonian Wars: First Roman Intervention in the Hellenic Affairs
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We are starting a new animated historical series on the Macedonian Wars. This conflict was crucial both for the Roman republic and the Hellenic States and featured the famous battles like Cynoscephalae and Pydna during which the classic encounters between the legion and the phalanx took place. Its results set up a new historical reality for the region for many centuries to come, playing a huge role in the creation of the Greco-Roman world.
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Epic siege of Siget is next?
Do a detailed video on battle of edessa
Thanks for your inclusion of Teuta's story in these geopolitical affairs, but I would beg to differ in some conclusions you made, Ardiae did not occupy Epirus, because the fact that they were Illyrians is scientifically proven! The tendency to hellenize the balkan is unfair! Illyria was a "confederacy" that included territory from Dardania to Daorsi, and South of Corfu!
Internal affairs of princess Teuta were an attempt to unify the Illyrian territory and to disperse Grecco-Macedonian Influence from the south-east.
Napoleonic wars when
Please could you take time an make a video about the battles of greco-italian war of 1940-1941 ? That would be pretty good video after the roman- macedonian wars
I must say, the possibility of watching Kings and General while eating chicken wings without making my keyboard dirty is definitely enticing.
@Sebastian Thor Is that a 40k reference I spy in your name?
Always one hand wing free and clean ;)
hahaha!
This is Barris! - French History People still watch YT on monitors? I’m genuinely shocked lol.
Too many ads...even in the video lmao
Rule #1 of keeping peace: *NEVER KILL ENVOYS*
Genghis Khan likes this
All of those peoples between Mongolia and Siria disagree
@@axelva2635 And what are the fates of those honorable gents?
Ghengis Khan support this action.
@Aesthetic Decision but it would be the polite thing to send the body or a letter to the envoy bosses to tell them: Come at me bro! no?
"The Romans withdrew their troops, but left behind their friendship"
Awwww, how cute; that quote really warmed my heart xD
Kind of sounds like a code word for a deadly venereal disease.
Thats like the Terminator saying : "I will be back!" but with more emotion : )
you cant set quote marks if you dont quote correctly
Not really tho
hahahahaahahahahahahah
There's a saying:
"Do not injure an animal you can't kill."
Way to go Phillip...
There is another saying
"I will use fire and steel to arrest the destiny of Rome." - Hannibal
Phillip hitching his wagon on Hannibal's star could have saved the Macedonian Empire if he had more luck in his die cast.
That's something they could had learned from one of Rome's most constant enemies the Samnites; once, in their many wars, they had surrouded a roman army the samnite leader was adviced by his father to destroy them or let them free unharmed, this way they would either promote goodwill, friendship and peace or would close that door forever but would greatly damage Rome's capacity to wage war, he instead took a third path, he let them free but only after he humilliated the romans by forcing them to crawl beneath some spears or sticks as sign of submission, thus he achieved a combination of the worst possible outcomes of the options his father presented to him, he infuriated the animal and did not even damaged it.
@@Edax_Royeaux Except Macedon was no longer an empire nor any form of real threat to Rome by this time.
@@helicongremory8480 Neither were the Carthaginians after traveling through the Alps or the barbarian tribes around Italy, that is until they combined forces.
@@Edax_Royeaux Carthage was capable of mustering 50'000 troops for the campain in Italy, 20'000 for Sicily, keep 20'000 in Spain and probably garrisons all over their empire and in their capital.
Macedon certainly wasn't that impressive.
Rome: get's invaded and keeps losing on their own soil.
Also Rome: Lets start An offensive war against a different enemy.
Also Also Rome: Somehow wins in the end.
Romans were that amazing
And it was a wise decision too, for if ignored, Philip the 5th would have landed in southern Italy and joined forces with Hannibal. Then it would be a night night for the Romans. Instead they dispatches a small force to Iliria and thus disrupted the whole landing operation for Macedon. A war winning move maybe.
A war fought with allies no less, so that helps.
Vlad Bigus
They did joined with Carthage , they both were fighting against Rome, right.
drinking game: drink every time the aetolian league fights with macedon!
Weren't they already fighting in the time of Philippe ?
take an extra shot whenever Demetrius antagonizes Rome
And every time someone kills an envoy. Two drinks if that sparks war.
Aaaand I'm drunk. Lol
Drink every time Greeks start a war with other Greeks.
This is just the warm-up, Cynoscephelae is coming. Prepare your sandals, your gladii and scutums.
Matthew Hollis Indeed.
*scuta, not scutums
I carry my scrotum with me everywhere I go, always prepared! ROMA INVICTA!!!
@@alasdairwatson712 IM SORRY I FORGOT
@Xaris Xeros Dream, dream....
Nobody:
Kings and generals: *starts a new interesting series*
It is like they're using history against our free time!
The Greeks were always obsessed with fighting each other, even up until the early 1800s they constantly fought each other.
To be fair, every other entities up until the rise of nationalism have civil war/tribal war as their favorite past time
@@hansbass8119 *The Romans has entered the chat*
Rome had quite a few civil wars as well, but i guess the Easter Romans did have a lot more infighing than the west.
Typical Ionian.
@Xaris Xeros england and france got 100 years of war....
I love the idea that the heavy-handed Roman response was due to Demetrius “not being a good friend”
Demetrius got spanked with a heavy hand!
if they went in the offensive instead of talking they could have won !
Demetrius bad friend, Rome MAD!
*Rome sent you a friend request*
Aww, shiet...
They found us :S !
accept it and you are doomed, refuse it and you are utterly doomed.
Rome: hey u up?
Greece: 👀
Still not as bad as pyrus is inviting you to......
Honestly, Rome isn’t much of a threat if you use ambush attacks. Germanians defeated Romans multiple times with ambush. So, it’s just ambush.
Thanks so much for all the hard work in creating these excellent documentaries!
Thanks for watching :-)
Oooh boy I have been waiting eagerly for this. Incredible video!
Thanks :-)
Me too...such great work
Oh damn, nice.
Thanks!
As a historian working on the period, I must say I'm very impressed with the Channel's high-quality research. Some minor comments: 1) amicitia does not necessarily suppose a patron-client relationship (see Burton's criticism to Badian's classic 1958 work). 2) Demetrius' pillaging expeditions were mainly directed South and East against the Greek shores of the Ionic an campaigns. 3) I would love to see a later video covering the 211/05 campaigs, riddled with fascinating historiographical questions: Livy becomes the main source here, replacing the lost Polybian parts, but there's much we can know from him about Roman movements.
Historian? That’s very good to hear.
Hi, if you are a historian could you answer me, if you want, the following question:
I am rewatching the series and I have a question. It is said here 2:48 that Illyria was made of different small tribes ruled by chieftains, but on the map are only two tribes, the Daorsi and Ardiaei, that weren‘t small.
Were there 2 main tribes which were subdivided in many small tribes with their own chieftains?
@@Roman_History_fan Hi! The Ancient Illyrians were divided in several large tribal states by this period, the Ardiaei, the Daorsi, the Dalmatae, the Histri, the Dardani and others that do not appear on the map. Their identities changed throughout these period as they interacted with foreign cultures, like the Celts, who migrated to the region around the 4th century BC, and the Greeks and Romans. Each large tribal group was loosely ruled by a chieftain or king. Teuta's case seems to indicate that rulers had a very limited authority over their own subjects, and piracy was freely practiced among them, probably favoured by the geography and customs. However, it is worthwhile noticing that all the historical sources belong to hostile Greeks and Romans, like Polybius and Appian, who seem to have considered them as utterly barbaric and uncivilized, so most of what we can infer from the literary record needs to be considered with utmost caution. If you want to learn more about the Illyrians, I suggest you get John Wilkes' book, "The Illyrians", published in 1996.
@@ignacio.carral thank you very much. The ardiaei were powerful like the map indicates, but in the north wasn‘t the daorsi but the dalmate and where they put the dalmate were the iapodes and the liburni, right? And after the third macedonian war the kingdom of Genthiud was conquered, but he was only the king of the remaining territory of the Ardiaei right?
For anyone interested there’s a good historical fiction book set during the Roman-Macedonia conflict, called Clash of Empires by Ben Kane. I liked it because it showed both sides of the war.
15:30
"Stop! You've violated the law"
TES IV - Oblivion reference or just coincidence? The guards say it all the time
Franta Bier its a reference ;)
Who cares. Overrated game anyway
@@Linogewillkillallofy People like you crack me up
Rome: We can be friends or we can be enemies.
Illyria: Look man, I’m just trying to grow so I can support myself alright? I have a lot of scary neighbors and I need to be able to defend myse-
*Rome sucker punches Illyria and kicks him a few times while he’s on the ground*
Rome: *Heavy breathing* Ok, we’re friends now.
😂 thats what keeps happening Italy invaded Albanians lots of times killing us and than we protect them against Germans in ww2 that wanted to kill them after they switched sides and we call them brothers😂 ,🇦🇱🇮🇹 but we are mixed together so its true ,during 14 century when Skenderbeg was fighting Ottomans some Albanians fleed to Italy called Arbëresh =Albanian and made a huge castle there nowdays called Calabria which in fact is in Albanian language Kala + Arbria (pronouced Calabria together that means Albanian Castle 🙂
What would you do if you politely asked a chihuahua to stop biting your ankles and if it doesn't, then you will kick it and make it stop? Rome had the courtesy to ask them to stop pirating their merchants and raiding their coastal towns before taking action. Then Rome allowed them to keep some independence after teaching them not to bite at the bigger dog. This is such a stupid comment, not even close to the reality of what had happened. Did you even pay attention to the video?
chucktowne Papa, has my joke upset you? 🥺
Edit: Just to be clear though, no I do not kick dogs but I get where you were going with it
@@chucktowne those chihuahuas that u say was my ancestors🤨... and this guy was just making a good joke which was history of Rome and Illyria as 2 peoples and not countries
@@ClydeAlb I don't care that they are your ancestor's, thats irrelevant. Its a meme, not a joke. Meme's are supposed to have some truth behind them unlike jokes. Both should be funny though.
Brilliant time lapses between Rome and Hellenistic world. Thank you!
Great job! Loves these discussions of lesser known wars. So much of the larger history of the world is built on these side notes and detours not discussed. Usually we go from the Punic Wars to the Gallic Campaigns to the Civil War. Thank you.
Absolutely love the Illyrian background in this video. Epic job as always.
"Roman friendship"
Good one :)
Well, that friendship was often beneficial in a lot of ways. Just look what happened to the territories that went against rome, vs those that slowly bowed to them in more peaceful means. It might have been a bad friendship, but it was a lot better than being an enemy to Rome. And not to mention, Rome did actually have a reliable track record of going to war to defend such allies and protectorates, at least during these time periods; so they weren't nothing to them.
I would love to learn more about the Illerian kingdom and its relationship with Rome; military campaigns, economy&trade, diplomacy; etc. Thank you!
This is my favorite youtube channel thus far. You make superb content, visuals, and storytelling. Thank you for your efforts!
Every video clearly states that the ancient macedonians were Hellenes (Greeks) unfortunately you still get these slavic icognitoBulgarians trolling and insisting otherwise..
As a Bulgarian it’s ridiculous listening to the claims of the North Macedonian government. Of course Ancient Macedonia was a Hellenic kingdom. And of course modern Macedonians are just Bulgarians. But maybe some insight could be provided on this.
After the second Balkan war many territories which were inhabited by Bulgarians were split among their neighbours. For example modern Northern Greece including Thessaloniki was an area where both Bulgarians and Greeks lived. European Turkey was also mostly inhabited by Bulgarians.
Macedonia was a different story however. The population there was virtually all Bulgarians but the land was part of Serbia. And the Serbs did not like this. So what did they do? The government under Tito started an aggressive brainwashing campaign where they convinced the locals of a fake history. They essentially stole Ancient Greek history and Medieval Bulgarian history, combined them and essentially made up a nation with stolen history.
@@vaeldrnero6251but Bulgarians were turkich people actually , not Slavs nor Tracians
Emerald Dragon Gaming First of all it doesn’t really matter what Bulgars were. The fact is that the modern Bulgarian population is most closely related with other Mediterranean Europeans such as Greeks and Italians. Genetic research also disproves the Turkic theory of Bulgar origin. The truth is that we actually have no idea who the Bulgars were - we even don’t know if they were an ethnicity of a confederation of different ethnicities. The Turkic theory has pretty much been disproven.
But again - it doesn’t really matter. Even if they were Turkic they were far too few to have any lasting impact. The only thing left from them is the name Bulgaria. Modern Bulgarians are just Thracians.
Bulgars where proto Bulgarians and not really related to todays modern bulgarians who are a slavonic race and have a big history in the Balkans unlike these so called Northern Macedonias that make up their own history as they go along ..
@@vaeldrnero6251But I knew this already my friend .You are not Bulgarians and yet you're pressing your western neighbours to call themselves Bulgarians, name with which they have nothing in common, so if you are just Tracians like you said ,then what are they? Consequently they are M........ aren't they?
Really good context and visualisation of the conflict! Thats the qualities I've come to expect of you guys! Well done!
15:33 "Stop! You've violated the law."
Thank you so much for that.
*refuses to surrender
THEN PAY WITH YOUR BLOOD
I’m impressed with Phillips predecessor Antigonous dude was seriously loyal for protecting and holding an entire country/its affairs for someone else’s child too truly badass guy
I love all of your videos, but this one is definitely my favorite one for this month! Mainly because I'm currently reading the second book in Ben Kane's 'Clash of Empires' series and it focuses on the Second Macedonian War and the big climax at Cynoscephalae. (^_^)
I've been waiting for this for ages! Thank you!!!!
0:18 Thank you, I've always had that doubt!!! This channel is amazing
Would love to see a video on the Cleomean War. The politics behind it are intriguing as Clomenes III is such an interesting character. He also pulled off some amazing military feats before the final Battle of Sellesia
Z g b
The ck2 theme "the byzantine empire" fits so totally since its the fusion of this two people
Great video!
Thank you for this amazing channel, I must say that seeing so many other history buffs here gives me heart in these times of, shall we say "Philistine indifference" Thank you
This is the second time this channel has "read my mind" 🤣 Seriously! First with the Mongol invasion of Japan (I was looking into it about day or two before it was uploaded), and now this! Just yesterday I was thinking about the Roman-Macedonian war, and that a K&G video would be perfect, and now here it is lol. Thanks guys. I love your channel.
Thanks!
I love the Ck2 music. Seems appropriate given the Roman and Greek theme of the video ;)
Ha, Pinnes. So good on context! This is the quality I have come to expect of you guys!
This is rapidly becoming my favourite channel, such interesting topics. Keep up the great work!
The script and the wordings in this video is very beautifully written. Just came back to hear them once more and praise the man/woman whoever wrote that.
Actually this is one of generally known History's gap: how Rome came to conquer Greece. So, another K&G series to watch closely.
Fantastic video guys, I have been wondering for years about this conflict, and these series shed a ton of light on it!
I have been waiting a long time for this new series.Thank you so much for the amazing video!
Good video. The Illyrian (Albanian) history against the Romans is always interesting to watch.
Damn,another moron
Only the Albanians say the illyrians were Albanian in antiquity LOL.. All credible historians and scholars say otherwise ..
@@Peterkonto it is.....accept it 😧
@@redeye7569 ..You're not a historian ..You're just an Albanian that likes to belive that the illyrians were Albanians historically that's all..
Divide et Impera mod for Rome 2 is used for troops and battles if anyone is wondering.
Kamil love that mod. Would’ve stopped playing that game if I didn’t discover that mod
WAITED SO LONG FOR THIS EPISODE❤️❤️❤️
I've greatly enjoyed this video and learned a whole lot in the process. What I especially enjoyed is the "let's-reverse-time-for-a-moment" part. Indeed it was crucial for my understanding of what was what and who came from where and after whom. Thank you guys!
Topic suggestion: Gustav Vasa's 4 sons, Erik, Johan, Magnus and Karl and their struggle for the Swedish crown. It's a really good story, should be a series.
The dissolution of the Kalmar Union and Gustav Vasa's reign would make a fine one too. They already have a video about Kirkholm, which is like, immediately after this, so here's hoping!
That "Roman Friendship" reminded me the "Allies of America"
Thank you Kings and Generals. You have explored a lot of wars many people overlooked
Thank you so much. Man, those marching, burning villages and battle scenes are very nicely done !
Great video as always. Have you guys considered doing a series about the armies of the Napoleonic Wars?
Yep, it will happen
The rise of Rome is always the best since they were a republic (even if it was questionable how democratic it was) and no one really believed that they could do it right until the moment they came to dominate the Mediterranean. People should have probably realized that Italy is actually kinda large and already at this stage Rome was a major power. But that's why it's great, you always love an underdog.
Also Rome at this time was conducting diplomacy in a thoroughly modern way, like they were doing things that we can relate to these days. They sent out military expeditions, they weren't just going out and conquering land, and they had diplomacy based on spheres of influence and economy, and well they were a republic. Again even though they might not have resembled modern democracies it's clear that they still functioned in a similar way. What's new is old.
Perfect video with all the reminding of what one might have forgotten from previous videos and giving the larger background.
I've been waiting for this video for way too long!! Thanks for making such awesome content.
Must have been crazy living in Rome at this time. The level of fear and uncertainty in the future, and the general chaos.
Small correction, the coastal town in Aetolia should be spelt Nafpaktos. Missing the P :). Otherwise, great video as always!!!
Been waiting for this:)
Always fun watching these top quality productions. Thank you King And Generals.
50% of the strenght of macedonian army was one "man": Alexander.
50% should've been good cavalry and hyspastis covering flanks and holes in the phalanx.
@@ChevyChase301 Alexander generalship would augment the capabilities of every army of history. Antiochus or Eumenes would never consider themselves at his level.
@@DavideMontingelliOfficial Alexander's led army would get massacred by The Romans ,Tang Chinese ,Mongols, Ummayad caliphate, and ottomans
@@ahamedihamiyun5927 there is more than an entire millennium of history between alexander and tang china and the umayyad caliphate, and more than a millennium and a half of history between alexander and the mongols and ottomans.
such a comparison is as moronic as comparing viking raiders and 11th century crusaders to the wehrmacht and the royal navy would be.
@@ahamedihamiyun5927 yeah and he would be defeated by any army right now with guns and tanks .. ofc he would lose. alexander's army were hundred years older and outdated than those you stated.
Crusader Kings 2 - The Byzantine Empire soundtrack... Now I need to restore The Empire once again
Byzantium is basically Rome + Greece
Fantastic Video!!!! I'm loving the content each and every time. I'm proud to wear my Kings and Generals SPQR hoody on the weekly.
I absolutely love when I get the notification that you guys put out a new video
Your documentaries resemble Soviet Storm: WW2 in the East in style and depth, even music sometimes. I don't know if that series was an inspiration in any way, but thank you so much for the effort you put into making these videos. What you're doing is amazing. The knowledge we can find in history is truly captivating.
Should have called it the Illyrian wars, also what happened with the illyrian kingdom after demetrius was deposed?
So excited over this series, more of these lesser known chapters in Antiquity!
i watch and enjoy all of your incredible videos, but nothing can beat roman history in my book. thank you
ILLYRIA😍🤤 Agron and Teuta 💪🇦🇱 ,thx Kings and Generals i love your videos too much your the best 👏👏👏
Rome: *Loses in Canne*
Rome, 2 minutes later: *(Man)POWER OVERWHELMING!*
Rome in the 2nd Punic War was like USSR in WW2: You destroyed our Army? Well, shame that we have already established another...
Podemos URSS Rome could have suffered 10 Canne’s and still fought on. Their levy system was truly remarkable for the time period.
@@heronofalexandria91 Exactly
USSR had luck but not a remarkable army. USSR had many natural advantages such as terrain and bad weather to stop the enemy, but their army was trash. + that they were supported by Allies.
This is the series I have been waiting to see. Fantastic video.
Amazing video once again! Looking forward to the next one in this subject :)
It upsets me that you didn't use the unique model that Rome 2 has for Teuta. Other than that, fantastic as always!
Philip the one Eye was a military genius and it’s no surprise his son took after him.
The Cyclops Philiphemus.
Awesome! Did not expect new series 😀
Another great video! Thank You!!
Cool, cool but where is the rest of the Wars of the Diadochi?!!
Check out, Kings And Generals Podcast
The have a entire series on that, a minimum six Videos, might be even more. Defintly check them out!
Damn how did kings and generals know of my crippling eating chicken while binge watching history channels on CZcams addiction
Finally!!! Thank you so much for this and the thirty years war
Great video as always! Can't wait for the rest of this series!
Thanks for watching!
Dunno if anyone noticed but in that opening map sequence it says 'Grek City States', thought I'd point that out.
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CuddlyTurtle its a typo.
Thats because Macedonia was not a city state it was a fcking kingdom Macedonia is greek and its over say whatever you want all the evidence is on our side
@@joyfuluniter5445 fck off
@@joyfuluniter5445 funny but i know my history and we have the evidence go worship you fake slavic country and fck off
#MacedoniaIsGreek
Now we go to the Syrian Wars....Besides Raphia.
We'll get to that!
@@KingsandGenerals Because no one else will.
@Pommy Pie I'm from aleppo
Definitely excited to learn about these wars.
@@Ahmadbeik99 It was between Seleucids and Ptolemies.
Awesome, A whole new series from K&G! If it's half as good as the Roman or Ottoman series, we are all in for a bunch of brilliant Historic videos! Thx Fellas, really looking forward to this!
Never stop making videos, please!!
This was a start of a great war for the Eastern Medeterranian.
See Slav? Macedonia is only Greek!
@@delianleague Я разве сказал, что нынешняя Македония - та самая, из Античности? Я лишь сказал, что это показанный в видео конфликт стал началом для масштабной борьбы между Римом и Эллинистическими государствами за Восточное Средиземноморье.
Иван Рыбалкин m8 it’s not the slavic empire here
@@CommieRaptor Я прекрасно понял что ты написал, просто увидел твое славянское имя.. По скольку мне известно, РФ так же называет официально Скопья как "Македония", и многие даже верят в то что они имеют отношение к древней Македонии, к сожалению, не говоря уже о книгах (исторических).
@@CommieRaptor А про Эллинистическое государство ты ни чего и не сказал, так что есть причины вам не доверять.
Hello. In the map (1:44), at Hispania, the Cantabri are in a wrong place. In that place, actual Catalonia, lived the Ilergetes. The Cantabri lived at the north of the Astures. Greetings and thank you for your videos.
jaume thanks. That will be corrected in the next episode.
@@MalayArcher you're welcome. I put another important comment in the video about indo-greeks (I'm historian), you should look it. Greetings
@@MalayArcher Why dont you make more videos? I miss them..
And also the position of Scodra is way too north as well. 😊
@@jaumelavila97 Cheers !
Thank you for this great work
Thank you Kings and Generals for amazing videos you make one after the other
Thanks for watching!
Everytime I watch your videos I end up booting up total war games
Tweet that at TW account, let them know :-)
1:42 “Grek” city states. Guess that second e didn’t fit on the screen
I love it. Thank you guys for the work that you do every week for us. Im waiting for the video with fall of Babilon🙂
That was one of the best Kings & Generals video of all time!
Rome: slowly winning the second Punic War
Phillip: mistakes were made
Seriously asking here: Would this channel be good for showing to a high school history class?
Depends on the context
This channel is for history nerds, for the most part its things you have learned already, with a nice dash of visuals. Alot more goes on behind the scenes for each subject covered. I could probably turn this one video into 4 hours of teaching.
Nac56 what about as a supplement or an eye-catching introduction? He is talking about high school history students.
The animation is just getting better and better
Great work! Thank you!
The History Channel: *exists*
Kings and Generals: I'm about to end this mans entire career.
Fucking love the Byzantine Empire theme from CK2!
Great as always
awsome vid, love the sountrack and the dynamic tone that video has