Behringer UB-Xa vs Oberheim OB-Xa factory presets no FX
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- čas přidán 6. 12. 2023
- As a member of the beta testing team I reprogrammed all the 104 legendary factory presets on the UB-Xa. I shot this video in May 2022. This UB-Xa is one of the last revisions. There were some improvements. In this video we were not finished with the firmware. Based on our experience with the sound design, we have incorporated a few improvements that will now appear in the final version. Nevertheless, this video shows the UB-Xa in an almost finished state. We have gone into every detail to capture the character of the original as much as possible. The numerous parameters in the 8 mods made this possible. I made this video primarily to check my results. Due to the high demand for comparisons, I have decided to post this video and it is possible that a comparison of the latest version would be slightly different, just as even every OB-Xa is not exactly the same as another OB-Xa.
I switched off the velocity and aftertouch plus switched off voices 9-16 for this video to get the same circumstances like on the Original. I also put the voices randomly for panning.
Thanks for watching. - Hudba
It’s amazing how close they sound, keep in mind that these presets on the behringer are “hand made recreations” of the original rom patches from the obxa, not digital transfer of the parameters but only “by ear” aproximation of them, there’s no screen on the original to see the exact value of params… congrats to the programmer, fantastic job!!
right, a lot of the 'differences' are just slighlty different parametrisation. Some have different vibrato/LFO, sterephonic distribution, release etc. For sure working on an UB patch for hours and weeks can bring it close to the OB (or the other way round :)) . thus said, there a dozent or so sounds which are de facto identical - and some preset 'interpretations' sound richer/sweeter on the UB ;)
I have to note: I switched off the velocity and aftertouch plus switched off voices 9-16 for this video to get the same circumstances like on the Original. I also put the voices randomly for panning.
Hi Rüdiger! Fantastic job on a fantastic synth!!! One question - which Vintage mode did you use?
@@uwe_bikethanks, I used the UB-Xa mode, so the first plus I set the voices in panorama like on the original
Purists?? Smh.. lol! I own an OB-8 and the coolest thing about it, is to say I have one. It’s heavy, doesn’t always stay in tune, and fickle as all get out! You can’t tell me you’d know which was which on a record. Someone here said the Behringer sounds cheap…. Do you think you can’t get an OB-Xa to sound cheap?! You can, and it ain’t that hard. People don’t go to concerts to hear oscillators….. they go to hear music. To that end the Behringer sounds pretty fantastic to me. But what do I know… not enough I’m sure.
Have your OB-8 serviced, it sounds you struggle a bit
@@jd808No struggle at all. With the number of boards I have there’s really no need. But it’s a cool synth no doubt. 👍🏾
big ego is the problem ( I have real OBXA and you shouldn't )
because, ahh ahh....it's real and old and ahh...shut up it's cheap
ah people 🙄
TGD did a concert in Melbourne 2016, Sorcerer OST live to audience whilst the movie was playing, they used 2 TR8s controlled by Ableton, you could not get any purer talent that simply proves, it's not the instrument, but the artist.
@@MarkoDeLaVootayou sound fun at parties :P
I can't tell ant difference with my eyes closed, feels like I'm listening to the same audio twice
As soon as I saw this I grabbed some popcorn to watch all of the people who think they have ultra human hearing come on here and moan about how much better the original sounds lol. I wasn't disappointed.
I love that noobs think you need "ultra human hearing" to hear the difference between these two keyboards, lol....
They clearly sound different 😂
After hearing this you should know that Beringer took the insides of the OBX and just change the outside and in a song you would not be able to tell the difference between these two keyboard sounds. Stop fooling yourself, the Oberheim coast too HEAVENLY much.
@@John-lv6uj no they didn't. They reverse engineered it and it doesn't bring the same qualities the oberheim brings in a mix.
It’s ok for the price but I’d much rather buy the real one 😂
The differences are very minimal and probably what you'd get from comparing two originals.
Congratulations, sounds like everyone did a fine job.
[edit] Having listened to some sounds again on proper speakers (which I initially didn't), there's some sounds that are admittedly pretty different, even though many are very close. It's when the filter resonance is brought into play that the Oberheim strides ahead. But anyway, still sounds good overall.
Would love to see you do a video on this.
I guarantee the differences between two well-calibrated original OB-Xa’s would be a lot more subtle than what you hear in this video, it’s pretty drastic especially with regard to the filter
@@daddyzhoam Yes you're right, having listened again on proper speakers. At the 6 minute mark, the sweep comparison is a giveaway where the Behringer can't quite do it, but it's otherwise very well done for a £999 synth. I'd save up and get an OB-X8 if I was in the market, but that's not an option for many.
Yes, hard to argue with 16 VCOs at this price and it does sound good. But it deflates the dream a bit when you hear the original filter…
@AlexBallMusic Yes but the Behringer is mono/center Unison from what I hear at 6 minutes and the Obie has its voices always hardware panned as by it's pan settings on the circuit board potmeter... Also the Obie's resonance just seems to be a tad higher there ... Does the Behringer have only center unison?
Simple blind test: I closed my eyes, pushed video forward to random location and i had no idea which was which.
Plus the ub-xa does more, poly aftertouch, more sound design capabilities.
And more noise unfortunately
Lol that will never be heard in a mix …..you’re all wankers!
Thank you for this video! Pre-ordered mine! 😁
Good enough for me. Getting one of these along with keeping my 6 voice OBSX
Thanks for this comparison ❤
That's impressive!! Thank you very much for taking the time to post this!! Sounds like a winner for sure!! Wow!!
Awesome! There are subtle differences (mainly in brightness / presence). Looking forward to getting my UB-Xa for sure.
Ain't subtle to me! Up to where I am now, 3:11, the OBxa is significantly brighter and more open sounding even on my phone speaker. I can pick these 2 out from each other all day long.
@@housebandthexenos2569 It's funny because I felt the UB-Xa had the brighter sound (in most instances) and is what I was commenting on. I felt the OB had a touch more warmth. Both sounded good.
@@checkitout611 I was only going up to 3:11. Listen again it's obvious
@@housebandthexenos2569 Yes ... ONLY going up to that mark, I agree, the OB is brighter ... as a whole (listening to the full demo) the UB to me had brighter / more treble / presence which didn't make it better or worse, it was just a note.
Behringer thanks for making this. As a former OB-Xa owner; thank you for letting me get this back without having to spend $10,000 🙏
the OB is recorded a touch louder, so that's already going to influence. The OB is also doing a voice channel swap on all notes in a more pronounced way. The UB not as frequent swapping and in some patches not at all, so that's also contributing to a more more wideness and depth on the OB. Absolutely not hard to accommodate for though, and in a mix pretty much inconsequential.
That’s spot on! They both sound like the brown noise to me.
Nice job on the presets. You can definitely hear the difference in the filter but the oscillators sound spot on. Well done and thanks for the demo.
Great job on the programming !
I can hear a big difference with the filters and the resonance !
The resonance filter of the Behringer sounds like a cheap vst
Couldn’t tell which was which while reading the comments.
For all the wine connoisseurs who have started counting suspended particles, maybe do the same with 2 ob-xa, they don't sound the same. series scatter, aging, etc.
I see it this way: you can buy a Focusrite clone for four times the price, it doesn't sound the same, or you can buy an OG for ten times the price. doesn't sound the same again :)
Well said
Yet somehow every well-calibrated OB, to this day, sounds exactly like the records they were used on when they were new.
@@daddyzhoam Not really, unless it was recapped.
especially capacitors age,
a process that cannot be stopped.
So that you understand, the loss factor increases and the value becomes smaller, which is why the frequency of the circuit shifts.
A 71 Minimoog simply had a different sound 50 years ago.
What's special about the ob-xa is that Tom used mica in the filter last time and never again after that.
makes up part of the Oberheim sound.
How many 40 year old synths are still getting by on the original electrolytics? Most reconditioned ones have been largely recapped. And the silver mica caps to my understanding were only used in the OB-X.
@@daddyzhoam So my JP8 still has the original power supply :)
and no, the ob-xa also had mica filter caps, take a look at the circuit diagrams.
tom regressed after that, I got the marion mrs1 from him... far away from SEM-
One aspect is the tolerance of the components, previously resistors were 10.5%, filter capacitors were 20%, today everything is much more precise.
You can then try to adjust&/calibrate the synth, if the other one is too far away in terms of tolerance, no chance. especially affects the filters.
The very best video, and I think the first video, showing these synths side by side. And with a recent Behringer Version and not an early prototype. Well done! Thanks!
Wonderful comparison video, thank you
Very impressive indeed.
Given it comes with a poly AT 5 octave board at a small fraction of the price of an original - bargain to any of us who dreamed of owning one some day.
Bring on the CS80 & JP8's!
hard to be too critical when it costs £999.. which is insane, 16 voice poly for that price makes no sense I have no idea how they did it, great job behringer
but the filter just doesnt seem right at all.. 3:56 is a good example of it missing a bit of something, the original has all that lovely mid range harmonic resonance going on and the behringer sounds a bit bland and not the same character, again at 7:00
maybe just slightly different settings on the knobs?
regardless of it sounding exactly like the original or not, its an insane value for money in its own right as an analogue poly with that many voices, theyre going to sell a LOT of these
£899 At Andertons, uk
@@thecylonsmusic They changed the price last Sunday. It's 999 now.
To produce, I'll continue with the plugins, but I like having a real synthesizer to play, the experience, the speed to improvise, test ideas, create... in short, the fun part. behringer is making fun accessible for everyone!
Plus plug ins take up CPU processing which sometimes locks up my DAW computer - even with 64 GB RAM. These external hardware synths take workload off my CPU. Thanks Behringer!
The filter sweep at around 6:00 is missing a lot of the self resonance on the UB-XA.
Oberheim OB-Xa filters do not self resonate
Bearing in mind when this was shot, on the whole, to my ears the UB sounds a bit brighter, more harsh, but no less a synth for it. At the price it is, even just buying it as a Poly AT midi-controller alone would be sensible given the alternatives out there, especially if paired up to something like Omnisphere. The fact that there is a whole bi-timbral synth stuffed in there as well is a minor miracle (although I do feel that the routine £3,500-5000 figures we are seeing for new modern synths these days is a bit of a piss-take-band-wagon-because-we-can trend). Side-by-side on this and other more recent comparison videos, I prefer the character of the OB, but in isolation the UB objectively sounds really good, and would be completely indistinguishable to most people, especially in a mix. So yeah, a big well done to Behringer for providing access to the masses - think what you want of them, there's a market need and they fill it. If you don't like their ethics, vote with your wallet and either buy original hardware or a licensed soft-synth for even less originality.
I'm on the lookout for my first and only poly synth to noodle about on. Seriously tempted by the UB, but the UDO Super Gemini just seems to have a much broader sonic palette. It also costs four times as much...that's the dilemma!
I have the Ub-Xa on pre-order. I'll buy fir exactly the reasons you stated so well. But, like you, I can't wait for the UDO SUPER GEMINI to come to the STATES. That synth is a no-brainer. I doubt seriously it needs to be priced so high, but regardless, that is going on the Rack. It will be in good company...
@@tommyg5095 I’ve spoken to George (UDO founder) at a synth convention in the UK. When you consider that they are a very small team, and the sheer amount of metal and custom hardware that’s gone into the Super Gemini, I can understand its cost - the price is defined by the parts and labour, and no corners have been cut. I’m sure the UB-Xa will serve you well, and would me too, but part of me likes the idea of supporting a smaller company who have built a unique synth with its own character.
@@X22GJP
I am definitely sending my cash to George at UDO. CAN'T WAIT....
Yes, this might be a use case, taking the UB as a master keyboard for a GrooveSynthesis 3rd Wave or similar. Other than that... no. I'm not convinced. Thin, heartless, uninspiring.
another thing to remember is that the ubxa is brand new and the obxa is 43 years old. it's perfectly normal for a brand new synth to sound brighter. this obxa unit probably sounded a lot brighter when it was new as well.
I find this comparison business between original and reproduced synths quite amusing. I’ve owned many “classic” synths over the last 40 years and in my experience they all fundamentally sound exactly the same, especially if, like most demos I’ve ever heard, they are used to make generic bread n butter sounds. Sure, if you are an extreme audiophile with a hearing range that of a bat, or maybe you just like to pretend you have, you can pick out some subtle differences… but these differences are so subtle that they are completely lost in a mix or when performed live. And if you think some now “classic” is superior to a brand new reproduction, either in hardware or in software, because of how the original sounded on some old recording then you are probably not taking into account all the external processing that was used when it was recorded, EQ, compression, tape saturation, the “sound” of the mixing board it was put through, reverb, delays and other FX etc etc… And if you think that because our music heroes used these particular synths then they must be the best, just remember that back in the day there wasn’t much other choice… if you needed/wanted an 8voice 2-oscillator programmable polysynth back in the late 70s/early 80s then your options were extremely limited to what we now call “classic” synths… they were your only options, it was either them or trying to make an organ, string machine or piano sound like something other than an organ, string machine or piano. Now I’m not being critical of the lucky few (since I am one of those lucky b@stardz) who currently own an original yama-ober-arp cs80xa or sequenti-moog-poly pro8Tx or anyone firmly believing that because something new made with modern higher quality components doesn’t sound the same as or as good as an original synth made with old, poorer quality components (because that’s all they had to work with) with 40 years of component degradation, then whatever floats your boat… but i remember a time when synths were about making new, never heard of sounds, where synth manufacturers were striving to give us instruments that could push the boundaries… and definitely not sound like something that had gone before it. I’m a behringer fan, i own and use their “cloned” synths all the time because they actually make these synths that i want to own and use. I’m also a fan of moog, oberheim, arp, sequential, the list goes on… but these companies stopped making the synths that i wanted or could afford years ago.
Great comment
I guess you could argue every piano sounds the same too. Why would someone buy a expensive Steinway 9 foot grand if they can get ‘fundamentally’ the same sound from a cheap Yamaha upright piano, right? I bet if it’s buried in a mix and you listen to it on your phone speaker, you can’t tell the difference. So this is great for you I guess, that your ears are this undiscerning. You can just use a bunch of free plug-ins and tell yourself it all sounds the same! 😂👍
@@MacXpert74that's a strawman, the op speaks sense.
@@MacXpert74False equivocal
@@jdmjesus6103 Is it? Please explain to me how the argument 'Every synthesizer sounds fundamentally the same" is different from saying "Every piano sounds fundamentally the same"?
Because they do! A piano can be recognized as a piano by everybody with working ears. They produce 'fundamentally' the same sound. However if details matter to you, there are big differences between them. The same goes for analog synthesizer, for many enthousiasts.
Therefore 'every synthesizer sounds the same' is a poor argument for anybody that can tell the differences!
These differences might not matter to him or you, but they do to synth enthousiasts like me!
Thanx for the video . Nice shot indeed mostly when you know that OB-Xa is more than 40 years old, meaning that circuitry & components had time to drift a bit :) . I guess that 2 OB-Xa may not sound now really the same ! Cheers
Its more the Coolaudio filter is lacking nothing about drift
THANK YOU! 😎
Rüdiger, you won the Internet today! That's a fine and accurate comparison of the two blue-striped. And I'm really stunned how similar they sound despite of all the negative comments in the forums. Seems like it was worth waiting the 6 years since it was announced (at least for those who don't want to spend the $$ for the Obie).
Well, that sounds great. Once I move to a bigger place I'll be able to fit one in I'm sure!
Better an Underheim in my studio, than an Oberheim in my dreams 👍
Best comment ever
Sounding very good. I'm sure any differences in brightness/character could be further edited to match. The UB-Xa basically sounds like an OB-Xa in a box around half the size for a lot less money. I like it!
Sounds great to me. Good video!
Very hard to match settings, the chorus/ filter(?) settings were the most off?
That being said, I would prefer the Bhoberheim for it's stability. That is super-close.
Definitely sound different in headphones due to the significant stereo panning from the OB. That seems to give it more life. Can the UB be set up to do this?
Of course. The panning is possible to adjust individually for each of all 16 voices
I also panned the voices in the UB, maybe in the OG it was stronger
@@vintagesynths Yeah it seems like a harder pan, and maybe even bounces around a bit more? Anyway, thanks for the great demo!
Do I hear it right, OB has much more interesting voice spread and stereo, while UB is “sometimes” and more like no stereo.
No happy little accidents? I seems can tell them apart easily, after random scroll, blind listen.
Kudos. I was looking for exactly this comparison (which is excellent by the way).
The OBXa seems to be more beefy than the new clone; anyway, 40 yrs component drifts would alter the overall sound, therefore such as a direct A/B comparison IMHO is uneven at any condition. Maybe I'll order the UB-Xa just as polyAT keyboard, because the GEM S2 I'm using has some issues on its keybed. For the true old analog sound, my Chroma, Prophet-6, Polysix and Take 5 would be enough.
Indeed, still I didn't find any detailed info about the UB-Xa keybed. Is it a decent one?
Great video man. Thank you for doing this dry.
UB sounds great! Only thing I hear is a little more bite with the OB attack sounds. Thoughts?
I wonder if they've contemplated remaking the Xpander in a more modern sized compact box.
And a desktop version might be nice.
Thx the compare and the works...
I absolutely hear the difference.
But the two synths will rarely be heard at the same time.:-)
It is the low harmonics that are different, the Behringer seems thinner OBx dirtier in a good sense.
That's the way I hear it too. Something missing in the low mids on the Behringer. Still a decent synth though and well worth it for the price.
its amazing, so glad to have the opportunity to own one! in my opinion, almost all those sound exactly the same, (none of them better or worse) only like some mentioned the "tom sawyer" patch there sounds way different. but i think thats just different parameters.
Why didn’t you play the
Low notes in the sync sound on Behringer?
Very convincing as a clone, bravo all the team who worked on this, you’ve built a formidable synth here.
thanks for your job! at first I thought OBXa is way deeper and full but then (around 10:00) the OBXa sounds thicker. I think is just a matter of the presets and the new components. I have an OB8 but almost unusuable (repared many times) and Ill definitely buy the UBXa as a substitute.
Very nice 👍🙂 spot on cheers
For a synth costing a fraction of the price of an original its much closer than I expected maybe a little too close.
I wonder who would score 100% in a blindfold comparison 😂
I’d go as far to say the Benringer has more presence which I find appealing
Wow, thanks for making this comparison! Obviously there are some differences but over all yes Spot On! Keep in mind this is a brand new re-creation of an old legend, I'm very optimistic about this new Ub-xa from Behringer because I have their new pro-800 and after the firmware updates things have only gotten better with time, so judging by that this new synth could very be on the same road as well and will certainly get tweaks to make it even better, I'm all in! Got mine on order and anxiously awaiting it's arrival, Thank you Behringer!
Not a Behringer fan, but from a strictly design and production standpoint I think they did a ended up with a pretty good product here, even if it took 6 years after the announcement. It's definitely not a perfect match sonically, especially with low brass, strings, pads, Tom Sawyer type sounds, but it sounds quite good considering the price point and extra features: 16 voice polyphony/PolyAT/Etc.
Two OB-Xas won't be a perfect match sonically. imho the matches that ARE impressive indicate that the unimpressive matches could be coaxed into place with enough time. The filters and oscillators seem pretty capable of doing what's important.
They seem really close, there should be some differences as they are both analog which is the appeal.
@swanofnutella4734 - If I had a dollar for the number of times I've heard this rhetoric... I actually have 2 OB-Xas (one early production, one late) and the variances are not nearly as significant as the ones between the UB-Xa and OB-Xa... Two OB-Xas still sound like OB-Xas - The UB-Xa clearly sounds like a different synthesizer. But again, it's close and Behringer should be commended.
PS - I know a UB-Xa beta tester and they spent countless hours trying to match each preset (beta tester units were distributed almost 3 years ago) - this is as close as they can get them.
@@SacSynths_Jack_Z If I had a dollar for every time I've heard somebody comport filter positions with ability I'd own an OBX8 and a Nina by now.
Please keep in mind these are dry built in patches. The real power is what you do as a programmer so we shouldn't just look at patch comparisons for synths of this caliber. If one sounds a bit different than the other, so what? That's what tweaking is for! I cannot wait to start digging into this thing. I pre-ordered and cannot wait. Let's be honest there are maybe a several hundred people in the WORLD that can definitively tell the different on an A/B in patches. And in a mix? The difference between $1,000 and $5,000 becomes a blur.
For a mix even 1k is too much. You can use plugins. The point is to possess the real thing or the fake. This is the cheap fake for the kids. If you want Oberheim why don't you get Oberheim? It's like wearing glass instead of diamonds. Or sleep with a sex doll.))) "It's so cool, alomst like the original, blablabla..." But what for?
@@slavamakarkin2528 I do use plugins 95%. Between Diva, Spire, Pigments and others I really do not need hardware. I have only two hardware synths, one for piano/controller, classical/jazz and the other a MODX7+ for playing out/synth action controller. All compositions are done with plugins. I agree with you. A recent article by a major VST designer for Cherry Audio spoke with Anthony Marinelli and even Marinelli has turned the corner towards VST's.
You are much closer UB to OBXa in comparison than i am getting out a comparing OB-X8 in Xa mode?The difference is very clear ,more drive/push and "roundness" in -X8,a more pleasant sound ,while the UB lacks some kind push and sounds little "sharper",but maybe a original OB-Xa and a OB-X8 in Xa mode won´t match each other close either?Good job done and thanks for being part of making the UB-Xa,and absolute love what you are doing!
Does the UB have analog or digital envelope generators? I suspect digital because there's something that feels different about the attack. It's the same kinda thing I hear when comparing a J60 (analog) and J106 (digital).
It’s digital
Exellent video , i do think that the dynamic is better on the Og , the B sounds like a little compressed on some pacthes , we don't feel the contour as the OG , might be the enveloppes , don't k now , anyway ... B did a superb job , and the diff i hear could be the diff i hear between the OG and another high end unit ....
Thks for taking the time !!
I hope B released a desktop version as well ...
There's clearly a difference in either the enveloppes' curves or the voltage response of the filters, it's very noticeable on short percussive sounds. I think the only modern polyphonic synth that got this right so far is the prophet 5/10 rev 4...it really shines in that regard.
Exact , the Prophets have one of the best shaping feel , hard to explain , but still a great one imho , need to test it to really feel it and if it's ok or really something that can handicap .... giving the quality of sounds we heard , not sure , if we didn't had the og that we would be disturbed ...@@rebours
👍🏻 owner of an OBX-8 and 2 SEM’s. Now I ‘am waiting for the OBX behringer + the SEM!!!
But why?
@@bengsynthmusic like a back up… we never know. And I guess I am a fetishiste!?😂
Not a big fan of the company, but still very impressive to see that it comes that close to the OB sound. There are however places where the OB sounds warmer and more alive due to some drifting and slight detuning of the voices. It's very evident at the 1:30 mark where the OB sounds so alive and lush whereas the UB sounds sterile in comparision.
Thanks so much for making this vid, highly educational!!
I am a fan of the company, but I agree with you . Still, amazing sounding recreation.
yeah...there is a difference.
@@ScottLSimon
I wonder how much that difference really is?. Back in the Day I had several Analogue synths ( couldn't afford an OBXa or OB8) but had more than one of several synths and even the same model synths sounded different when A/B together.
Often with more difference than between these two.
That Said the Filters Sound Slightly Different at resonance and to my ears the basic waveforms sound different.
But I think once you add Eq and some effects there isn't £10k of difference.between them or £5K between the Behringer and the re-released Oberheim version
@@Lamster66 ok yeah. True enough on the difference between analog synths. Also: it's a youtube video and you will never really hear what you need to in this format. That is why you need to be in the room and hear it yourself. It is also valuable for people to report what they hear when making videos.
@@ScottLSimon
I will certainly go and try one out at the local music shop.
I know what I like about the Oberheim sound and know how that should sound. It comes down to perception at the end of the day and whether it does what you expect it to do.
I bought the ModelD the Pro one and a deepmind12 module.
And have to say the pro one sounds like the SC Pro1 I had years ago and The modelD sound as close to a minimoog as makes no difference. The only gripe with the Deepmind is there is a character to the sound that seems to be there whatever the sound. And whilst that was true for virtually all 70s and 80s analogue synths the deepminds character isn't that great.
There is more prestige on having an Oberheim.
No duh.
5k for a synth that costs them 200 dollars to build while the Behringer is just as good..... Good luck with your prestige; Make sure you always put a picture of the real one on your album cover 😀
The truth is that synth nerds think there’s prestige, but actually, no one cares.
No there isn't. In fact, someone paying 5 grand for an old design, added with some new features which cost a couple of 100 in parts, while you can get 99% the same sound a lot less expensive? Prestige is not the word I'd use. No offense. It's ok if you can afford it and want to waste the money. Nothing wrong with that. And agreed, Tom Oberheim deserves respect for his achievements; It's just 5K isn't remotely justifiable these days where electronics cost almost nothing.
@@harveyspecter1653 It cost way more than 200 to build a keyboard analog poly., .
They don't benefit from economy of scale like the Behringers of the world and good parts don't come cheap. Look up the price breakdown of a legit Buchla module ...more than 200 and thats a MODULE!
Were you using any of the 8 vintage modes on any of the patches for UB-Xa? For me personally I am more excited by the UB-X, Pro-16, and DS-80. However, this is a major accomplishment at this price and a great platform for those synths to use going forward.
Used atrophy setting ob-xa
@@vintagesynths I am hopeful they will give full access to end users for all the parameter which make up those 8 presets. I listened on a full range monitor setup and the differences I heard were at most what I would call small and seemed to be amp and/or filter dynamics along with some EQ being more pronounced for a few.
More detail and character in the OBXA. Not bashing on the behringer but I prefer the obxa.
Even the obx8 is lacking midrange detail compared to the older models.
You can still make great music on either… Cheers 🎉
just received the ubxa Behringer 4 banks of presets A B C D - not sure if this was a used item or what but im missing some factory presets- ive seen the bank letter and the number of the patch on different you tube videos (I CROSS REFRENCED) and when i go to the bank DIAL THE PATCH takes me to what it says PRESET WITH ONE WAVE- BASICALLY MISSING THE ENTIRE PATCH- CALLING SWEET WATR TOMORROW- I DID THE SYSTEM UPDATE AND STATES ITS CURRENT - $1200.00 AND MISSING PATCHES- OMG
very nice comparison indeed! In the last patch (17:11) I hear something from the UBxa, sounds like clipping, or some other distortion, what can that be?
I think it’s clipping because the sound is very loud in the high frequencies
The Uliheim sounds good, albeit a bit more static then the Obie. Did you use the built-in vintage modes? Anyway, a no-brainer for that price (if I hadn‘t an OB-X8 already).
UB-Xa sounds even better than the original and twice as many voices as the ridiculously over-priced OB-X8. Can't wait to get mine. Cheers.
I think this will be fun (and useful) synth. I like that it's bitimbral. 👍
Both very similar, the ub-xa has a consistent slight brightness/harshness to it over the ob. It's possible this could mellow down with age. I doubt anyone would notice the difference once it's gone through a pre-amp and some effects/filters with a sound engineer, particularly in any sort of reasonable mix. A more apples for apples would be an ob straight out of the factory brand new in the 80s vs the ub now, time does some things to componenets.
Behringer has done a great job at recreating a legend.
I'll add to this, I have an OB-6 which I think is just fantastic and because of it wouldn't buy an OB-8/Xa or UB, but if I didn't have it I'd be very happy with a ub-xa. Apart from pure nostalgia it would be pretty hard to justify an original OB over the UB for the price, reliability and availability. I say this staring at a bunch of 80's synths and drum machines in my collection, but most of them hadn't had a modern recreation when I bought them.
You got very close with most of those for sure. People getting so hung up of the small differences, but are they baked-in or just programming?
Either way, it seems a bit of a blind avenue to get hung up on, the original presets were a bit of a mixed bag and for me would be starting points for tweaking.
Behringer have done an incredible job, and the new features make this probably the best value synth of all time, but I now really appreciate how amazing the genuine Oberheim synths sound. No wonder you've kept yours 😎
I'll be able to buy a UB-Xa with the knowledge that it's as close to the original that most people would never know the difference.
I really doubt anyone is able to hear a difference in a blind test in a mix. I do agree there IS a difference when comparing each patch directly against eachother sound per sound, but thats not how you will hear it in a mix, and the extra features especially on gear from before midi was introduced commonly there is mostly always many "quality of life" features in even recreated fully analog synths that makes the old instruments practically useless for touring with compared to a modern recreation.
What Keyboard stand do you to stack two keyboards . . .? Great Video, Waiting for availability of UB-Xa.
With some presets the Oberheim sounds a bit "thicker" (a little bit more low end?). Anyway, good to hear them both.
Do we have some info about the auto tune and calibration process ? It sounds to me the ub has a “too perfect” auto tune routine … it sounds too rigid to my ears
small differences in the envelopes and filters maybe, but pretty spot-on
It is very close except that the OBXa (had one and hated tuning it) just sounds ver so slightly too tight compared to the original. I'm guessing the oscillator drift modes will help with that. I may get one though if finances are ok :)
I definitely hear the potential to get one or two usuable sounds out of that synth
It sounds good. I liked it, as much identical to the original as expected of a good clone I would say.
That's really impressive.
BUT, does it Love Like Blood? 👀
UB-Xa is Definitely worth $1100.
Très bonne comparaison c'est assez bluffant a voir sur place mais il aura une différence c'est sur
Really nice comparison - thank you for this! The only big difference I noticed was at the 6:00 mark (Tom Sawyer patch?) The resonance harmonics were noticeably lacking in the UB-Xa.
Yeah, that was a massive difference. If i were paying $1200 anyway, i’d just save up the extra few hundred and get the real deal. Anyway if i can avoid it i don’t buy any new products from sweatshop-conditions manufacturer Behringer.
Can someone explain how Behringer is able to copy so many classic synths, like this and the Minimoog without getting sued for copyright infringement? Do they have expired copyrights?
I’ve always wondered the same thing.
thanks!
Good comparison. Honestly though, I wish we could hear the IDENTICAL MIDI going into them.
Nice comparison, thanks for sharing! Berhinger did a very nice job. Yes there is a difference for 2 main reasons: each OB-Xa sounds different and this original has old circuits more than 40 years old, which have lived and therefore which sound different from a model with a recent circuit, more "straight" (which has not, moreover, probably not the same quality of components either).
But the rendering of the Behringer is very convincing! 👍
Good video! I'd like to hear two OB-Xas compared - probably a similar amount of variation between them (especially if they've got very different life histories). People are too used to digital instruments sounding identical.
If you only had a Jupiter 8 sitting on top of a CP-70 you’d have it made.
I have one on pre order, was told around February for that to hit the distributor,,,, that place being where the water is sweet😮😮😮
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I definitely get the impression that the UB-Xa definitely would be worth having as the perfect alternative to the 1981 classic.
There is maybe a little more higher frequencies on the Behringer, but otherwise it's not a bad comparison to the OB-XA. Sounds almost identical.
I couldn't differentiate between the two in a majority of the patches, but there are some glaring differences in filter behavior when the resonance is cranked. Overall it's very impressive when considering the OB commands 10x the price!
Yes, 6 minutes in there is a bass sound where you can hear the original have it's filters spread with multiple resonance points (lovely) but the Behringer's filter has all filters at the same peak in frequency.
Interesting.
@@jlindborg1105 Curious to see if this is configurable using the atrophy calibration setting, maybe its a programming thing
Sounds like the filter key tracking is way off on the Behringer patch.
Thank you for compering , filters sounds very different. And LFO as well
Fair comparison with dry sounds!! The quality is here - This is an awesome result with very close presets!
The only big difference I noticed was at 6:00. I wonder if you can get per voice variance in the filter envelope in the "atrophy" settings.
If you can, then I think you could make that resonance sing exactly like the origional in that patch.
I wonder if they'll make a desktop module. No room for another large synth at the moment.
Yeah, also wanted to mention this part. Pretty big difference in filters. Why? Original sounds way bigger here
Damn, the purists are out in this thread aren't they? You know it has vintage modes if you want it to sound unstable and worn out, right?
If it’s a clone, it should be a clone. Deflect anyway you please, but it’s a claim they made, not the purists.
@@ElectroPanPipes it is a clone though, what's your point?
Subtle differences in sound, very impressive considering the price of the UB-Xa. They really knocked it out of the park with this synth.
Sounds great! I could hear small differences in the Oberheim OBX8 vs OBX demos too. Imagine how inexpensive the desktop is going to be!
As you know I had them all here. I really was thinking make a contest of all three but was afraid of dissing. Both the OB-X8 and UB-Xa come very close to the OG, but both have some small gap to the OG.
The OG sounds better but B. did a great job, as you did porting the patches. My Prophet-10 v4 doesn't sound like a vintage unit, just to say that despite being made by the original brand a vintage unit sound can't be exactly replicated. Thank you for this comparison.
90% of all sounds from Oberheim sound identical on the Behringer. The remaining 10 only have small details missing. The extra cost wouldn't be worth it if it was just about the sound.
Pretty close there’s more rasp in the obxa and more harmonic interplay. Maybe a built in tube warmer would do it?
been waiting on this synth now i just have to see if they any bug's in it, but it sounds amazing both do actully