Why Restaurants in Kyoto will Reject You

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  • In Kyoto's traditional hanamachi (entertainment districts) where you can meet maiko and geiko, many stores do not accept first-time visitors.
    You may think that Kyoto has many xenophobic people and doesn't want to accept foreigners… but even Japanese people are rejected. You must always have an introduction from someone to be accepted. Here lies a special rule of the hanamachi.
    At the hanamachi, the guests can dine with the maiko/geiko without even bringing a wallet. All expenses, from cab fares to meals, are paid for once by the landlady, and the bill is sent to the customer a few months later.
    This is considered hospitality of the landlady, which wants customers to enjoy the day without concern. But of course there is a risk of not being paid, right?
    In order for the store to always collect the amount they charge, the customer must be introduced by someone. This is because, if the first-time customer doesn’t pay, the one who introduced him/her will have to pay instead. The introducer will only introduce someone they can trust, so it’s a system to run the business with the best hospitality and trust.
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  • @LetsaskShogo
    @LetsaskShogo  Před rokem +10376

    In Kyoto's traditional hanamachi (entertainment districts) where you can meet maiko and geiko, many stores do not accept first-time visitors.
    You may think that Kyoto has many xenophobic people and doesn't want to accept foreigners… but even Japanese people are rejected. You must always have an introduction from someone to be accepted. Here lies a special rule of the hanamachi.
    At the hanamachi, the guests can dine with the maiko/geiko without even bringing a wallet. All expenses, from cab fares to meals, are paid for once by the landlady, and the bill is sent to the customer a few months later.
    This is considered hospitality of the landlady, which wants customers to enjoy the day without concern. But of course there is a risk of not being paid, right?
    In order for the store to always collect the amount they charge, the customer must be introduced by someone. This is because, if the first-time customer doesn’t pay, the one who introduced him/her will have to pay instead. The introducer will only introduce someone they can trust, so it’s a system to run the business with the best hospitality and trust.
    If you’d like to learn more about Japanese traditional culture, Kyoto, and social problems in Japan, please check out my channel & subscribe!
    *The content is based on personal studies and experience
    There is no intention of denying other theories and cultural aspects

    • @OtherSideOfTheFence
      @OtherSideOfTheFence Před rokem +123

      Money and class status. Cast system....old head thinking.
      Most ways in the world are created for those with power to keep their power.

    • @bearthedevil9675
      @bearthedevil9675 Před rokem +59

      Then wouldnt there be a "open secret" service that you could pay them for introducing you and also paying them for the night out so you can have the experience?

    • @dan2014
      @dan2014 Před rokem +48

      Ngl thats actually kinda smart ... It force ppl to trust each other

    • @RandomPersonaYT
      @RandomPersonaYT Před rokem +57

      Okay but how did the very first person to eat there get in

    • @KManAbout
      @KManAbout Před rokem +20

      @@RandomPersonaYT same way you get your first job

  • @livingphantom
    @livingphantom Před rokem +44339

    This feels like the “needs 4 years of experience” with a 2 year old program kinda feeling.

    • @gravyz2cute4u
      @gravyz2cute4u Před rokem +1662

      More like you need 50 years worth of networking and connections to even be considered for an invite :p
      (I mean in a generational wealth sense and not simply an old guy sense)

    • @tiffanywongshaiboon3663
      @tiffanywongshaiboon3663 Před rokem +145

      Yes! I was looking for a comment like this!

    • @Milo_Estobar
      @Milo_Estobar Před rokem +117

      Very based japanese stereo....

    • @bunnieyumi
      @bunnieyumi Před rokem +196

      @@Milo_Estobar it happens everywhere

    • @primetimehome
      @primetimehome Před rokem +551

      saw a job listing the other day requiring 10 years of experience in a less than a month old programming language

  • @AshBud13
    @AshBud13 Před rokem +14128

    That bill being sent a few months later would only heighten my anxiety. I'd rather pay it off right then and there.

    • @gillwolfbat2191
      @gillwolfbat2191 Před rokem +379

      Facts

    • @tobyk.4911
      @tobyk.4911 Před rokem +488

      This sounds like paying with a credit card: When I buy something now and pay by cc., the money will be taken from my bank account next month.

    • @SirDankleberry
      @SirDankleberry Před rokem +285

      @@tobyk.4911 This I why I don't have a credit card.

    • @primetimehome
      @primetimehome Před rokem +198

      @@tobyk.4911 yeah but you get a list of all your transactions on your account thus easy to keep track of, including a limit, there is no such thing with this

    • @JediOfTheRepublic
      @JediOfTheRepublic Před rokem +125

      This type of experience isn't for you, you know poor people.

  • @hayz9338
    @hayz9338 Před rokem +2467

    To all who are concerned about the “hospitality”: these restaurants are for ppl who don’t have to worry about money. It’s not for us peasants so don’t worry 😭😭

    • @mspotato1354
      @mspotato1354 Před rokem +127

      Exactly. Most of us could never afford it

    • @yseson_
      @yseson_ Před 4 měsíci +13

      Im single with no kids and a decent job, my friends with the same career and families are living just above median income but im "rich" 😂
      I can afford all kinds of reckless foolish spending

    • @expertgaming
      @expertgaming Před 4 měsíci +8

      ​@@yseson_same, i know people that only have kids because of pressure from their families and now they cant afford to pursue their dreams, im on like the same wages as them yet manage to save 10x more money. i dont really want kids and no one is pressuring me to have any so im lucky there...

    • @fortheloveofnoise9298
      @fortheloveofnoise9298 Před 4 měsíci +5

      ​@@yseson_i have no kids and can't even afford my medical bills....and I am in my 20s

    • @fortheloveofnoise9298
      @fortheloveofnoise9298 Před 4 měsíci +3

      ​@@expertgamingi have no kids but still struggle

  • @jaddaj5881
    @jaddaj5881 Před rokem +7469

    I lived in Kyoto for 2 years. You’ll also be told “I’m sorry japanese only “ at many establishments. And no it doesn’t help if you speak Japanese.

    • @marklane61
      @marklane61 Před rokem +268

      tokyo also

    • @rechitsapivo
      @rechitsapivo Před rokem +231

      ​@@marklane61 ToKyo, KyoTo.

    • @maxleong304
      @maxleong304 Před rokem +206

      Does "Japanese only" mean speaking their language or Japanese folks?

    • @marklane61
      @marklane61 Před rokem +663

      I've never been to Kyoto but when I visited Tokyo I was barred from entering many businesses. I was told its because I'm not Asian and not with an Asian.

    • @phantomkate6
      @phantomkate6 Před rokem +1091

      ​@@maxleong304 It means ethnic Japanese only. Other races unwelcome.

  • @justinweber4977
    @justinweber4977 Před rokem +4114

    "His restaurant was so exclusive that the only way to get a reservation was to create a parallel universe where you already had reservations!"
    - Futurama

  • @theyeetgod8914
    @theyeetgod8914 Před rokem +4586

    Imagine your having a bad day and then randomly you get a bill from months ago 💀💀

    • @Cookiedible
      @Cookiedible Před rokem +229

      Wait until you hear about student loans. Bills from years ago, every month.

    • @TuberoseKisser
      @TuberoseKisser Před rokem +43

      @@Cookiedible believe it or not, not everyone has debt

    • @Cookiedible
      @Cookiedible Před rokem +38

      @@TuberoseKisser i know i don't. How does that relate?

    • @HoneyBadger1226
      @HoneyBadger1226 Před rokem +60

      @@TuberoseKisser nowhere did he say everyone had debt

    • @admiralmonocle3874
      @admiralmonocle3874 Před rokem +11

      @@Cookiedible If you live in a civilist nation, you will not have that problem. Except 300€ per Semester is enough for you to be in debt.

  • @WeissLiebe
    @WeissLiebe Před rokem +5239

    This is like the "I need experience to get a job and I need a job to get experience" thing...

    • @letsomethingshine
      @letsomethingshine Před rokem +213

      "volunteering doesn't count, it's not real work." Yep.

    • @nessalambert3584
      @nessalambert3584 Před rokem +49

      Those restaurants are high end members only club, kinda like a ceo opening is only for who worked as a ceo before and personally knows the cfo and coo of the hiring company 😂

    • @geoffreyherrick298
      @geoffreyherrick298 Před rokem +14

      Catch-22

    • @josefwoodend
      @josefwoodend Před rokem +22

      Not really more like a private member's club. The members are curated which is better for both the business and the guests. The business takes on alot less risk and the majority of members are going to be of the higher classes which is there target demographic. The guests get the added safety of everyone being vetted, and the opportunity to meet other high class individuals.

    • @BrazilianImperialist
      @BrazilianImperialist Před 10 měsíci

      No its not

  • @doctorwilly
    @doctorwilly Před rokem +1977

    I met a Japanese guy who moved to Kyoto 7 years ago from Nagoya. He told me he loved Kyoto as a city, but in some places he's always treated like an outsider and kept outside the circle. I guess this is one of those instances

    • @Kefka2010
      @Kefka2010 Před rokem +94

      If I'm trying to make a successful business I can't imagine turning away a ton of customers just so I can send a bill a month later instead of accepting pay right away.
      This sounds like a formula for an unsuccessful business.

    • @AarPlays
      @AarPlays Před rokem +120

      @@Kefka2010 if it was unsuccessful it would have shut down a hundred plus years ago

    • @Kefka2010
      @Kefka2010 Před rokem +23

      @@AarPlays Maybe many were? How well do those business models do when you open a new company and new store?

    • @chegu613
      @chegu613 Před rokem +182

      ​​@@Kefka2010 this is like a social club in western countries, it totally works because it is exclusive.
      sending out a bill once a month instead of accepting instant pay pretty much guarantees that you will only have rather wealthy patrons who don't have to worry about their budget - and the wealthy patrons in turn appreciate the exclusivity.

    • @Kefka2010
      @Kefka2010 Před rokem +17

      @@chegu613 If it works then props to them! Maybe I'm just ignorant of savvy business practices but it seems bad to me. Possibly it appeals to a lot of wealthier customers who are whales and spend a lot.

  • @anarchist_parable
    @anarchist_parable Před rokem +10026

    "They want the customer to enjoy the day without concerns"
    If I'm not able to calculate how much my visit is costing me, I am full of concern and won't be able to enjoy my day 😹

    • @Rwissam1987
      @Rwissam1987 Před rokem +979

      I guess this type of service is for the wealthy that doesn't have this tyyof concerns...

    • @ClaimClam
      @ClaimClam Před rokem +334

      peasant mindset

    • @ilo3456
      @ilo3456 Před rokem +126

      I am pretty sure you will still be able to see the price of items and of what you buy, I don't see why you wouldn't be able to see that.

    • @p.a.681
      @p.a.681 Před rokem +489

      @@ClaimClam classist mindset

    • @SuperHuscarl
      @SuperHuscarl Před rokem +198

      You hit it on the head. I very much want to know what I’m paying in total before ordering things off a menu, especially if it’s a place where I have to get an invite from someone.

  • @Ali_Ahlulbayt
    @Ali_Ahlulbayt Před rokem +11896

    “Hospitality”
    -Remember when you dined here 3 months ago?
    Here’s your bill: 70,000 yen

    • @Ali_Ahlulbayt
      @Ali_Ahlulbayt Před rokem +244

      @@cezarcatalin1406 That wasn’t the point. The point was “hospitality”

    • @Cookiedible
      @Cookiedible Před rokem +285

      @@Ali_Ahlulbayt hospitality doesn't have to be free

    • @Ali_Ahlulbayt
      @Ali_Ahlulbayt Před rokem +611

      @@Cookiedible Then it’s not hospitality it’s a paid service with standards. Hospitality is generously giving without seeking a service.

    • @Cookiedible
      @Cookiedible Před rokem +612

      @@Ali_Ahlulbayt hospitality
      noun
      the act of being friendly and welcoming to guests and visitors
      You're mistaking your idea of what constitutes hospitality with what the word means.

    • @Ali_Ahlulbayt
      @Ali_Ahlulbayt Před rokem +139

      @@Cookiedible Are you going to charge your house guests? Just because you’re friendly and welcoming doesn’t mean you’re hospitable.

  • @fallofshadows2209
    @fallofshadows2209 Před rokem +2489

    “Enjoy our ‘hospitality’ without concern.” “But I’m concerned about how much this might cost me.” “If you have to ask, you shouldn’t be here.”

    • @kanalkosong
      @kanalkosong Před rokem +29

      True. 😊

    • @crowe6961
      @crowe6961 Před rokem +107

      The sort of place where some of the true dregs of humanity hang out. They exist in the West too, under different names. We all know it deep down.

    • @effbar2400
      @effbar2400 Před rokem +3

      You think they wouldn't tell you the price

    • @AzamaraSehki
      @AzamaraSehki Před rokem +26

      Yakuza moment.

    • @Teutoburg09
      @Teutoburg09 Před rokem +17

      Why be concerned? They give you months to save up for your bill.

  • @ivankyoshiro5263
    @ivankyoshiro5263 Před rokem +365

    Quest name :"Enter a Restaurant"
    Objective : Get in touch with restaurant owner and max your friendship bar with the owner.
    Alternative objective : Bring a friend to the restaurant who already has maxed friendship and connected with the restaurant.

    • @noheiro9877
      @noheiro9877 Před rokem +14

      Yakuza?

    • @inkbold8511
      @inkbold8511 Před rokem +15

      Why bother with restaurants that discriminates? I won't visit such garbage restaurants in the first place as there are plenty of places that accepts my money and doesn't discriminate me for who I am.

    • @user-xh2mv2su1j
      @user-xh2mv2su1j Před 10 měsíci +1

      The power of friendship 😂

    • @gloop7458
      @gloop7458 Před 9 měsíci +5

      @@inkbold8511
      They’re making it into a joke by putting it in an RPG format, which points at how unnecessarily complicated it is
      But yeah, I wouldn’t go to a business that excluded certain people in my own country, regardless of if that group included me or not, let alone in another one

    • @keagaming9837
      @keagaming9837 Před 6 měsíci

      Yes.

  • @059echo
    @059echo Před rokem +17451

    Thats why you should always pack instant cup noodles when you are traveling to Kyoto

    • @susear5939
      @susear5939 Před rokem +297

      Just eat at the konbini

    • @ughlwtmechangerhisthabks8349
      @ughlwtmechangerhisthabks8349 Před rokem +607

      Only very specific places do this, really. 99% of kyoto's restaurants don't

    • @Domspun
      @Domspun Před rokem +595

      @@susear5939 Gets rejected by restaurant, goes to the nearest konbini, sadly eat fried chicken and finish it all with Strong Zero. That is the way.

    • @susear5939
      @susear5939 Před rokem +140

      @@Domspun Family Mart chicken with Strong Zero hits different.

    • @nissnynass
      @nissnynass Před rokem +5

      nice pfp

  • @ShaolinViolin
    @ShaolinViolin Před rokem +1996

    Lived in Kyoto for 3 years. This type of thing is for rich businessmen and I never met anyone who went to these types of stores

    • @mariono8372
      @mariono8372 Před rokem +94

      i did, as a foreigner living in japan for few years, one of my co worker kinda cool, his dad has lots of connection and he bring us there, a night to two

    • @Ndasuunye
      @Ndasuunye Před rokem +17

      Seems kind of messed up. What if I'm rich with western dollars and I want to be around this sort of setting.

    • @AC_336
      @AC_336 Před rokem +187

      ​@@Ndasuunye then go networking to find the right people who can refer you.

    • @thierryfaquet7405
      @thierryfaquet7405 Před rokem +71

      @@Ndasuunye if you were rich you would know how…

    • @johnwong5317
      @johnwong5317 Před rokem +22

      @@Ndasuunye If you are rich, you will get connection regardless everywhere you go. That's how we called "It's a big club and you are not in it" mean.
      Quite frankly, there are many rich events everywhere, like Jeff Bezos used a towing ship for his yacht half way across the world while he himself fly over because it is one of billionaire's club and for business connection and such.

  • @blurryface9910
    @blurryface9910 Před rokem +176

    3 months later... "Pay us $6,000 or we're coming for your friend"

    • @leonardosuarezsanchez3645
      @leonardosuarezsanchez3645 Před 5 měsíci +1

      Friend? Who are you talking about 😂😂😂😂

    • @Teuwufel
      @Teuwufel Před 20 dny

      ​@@leonardosuarezsanchez3645you need to have friends to enter such restaurant. You have trouble connecting dots?

  • @AwfulWeather5684
    @AwfulWeather5684 Před rokem +642

    I’m sure the tourists who walk in and get rejected for seemingly no reason, will walk away thinking “those people were so hospitable :)”

    • @mallarieluvsgirls
      @mallarieluvsgirls Před 10 měsíci +7

      the people who are getting their business will though. why would they care about their opinion? it works for them. so why care?

    • @QWERTY-gp8fd
      @QWERTY-gp8fd Před 10 měsíci +19

      @@mallarieluvsgirls its no hospitability. just business.

    • @jonasw3945
      @jonasw3945 Před 6 měsíci +2

      Why would you walk there though ? As a tourist you won't just go to a closed invite only restaurant unless you are looking for trouble

    • @farazalam3325
      @farazalam3325 Před 5 měsíci

      Exactly! A

    • @peterc4082
      @peterc4082 Před 4 měsíci +1

      @@jonasw3945 If a restaurant is closed and invite, it is closed and invite. If it allows entry publicly it is public space. Then sure Japanese can discriminate but I think we can call them out on that because we don't discriminate them in our countries. And they have copied our culture. Most of Japan runs on Western culture and technology. When Japanese study music they study Chopin and Mozart and not their own medieval composers.

  • @amandaidange4981
    @amandaidange4981 Před rokem +8083

    I would be "very" concerned, not know the cost of the stuff Id been doing since I wouldnt be able to keep track. One big sum at the end would stress me out.

    • @telegramsam
      @telegramsam Před rokem +2013

      It seems like the sort of place only wealthy people go in the first place. "If you have to ask the price you can't afford it" is the old saying here. It's not for the working class.

    • @bolson42
      @bolson42 Před rokem +760

      You would likely not even be able to enter the store if that’s what you were worried about. Restaurants like this are reserved for the wealthy who are able to spend so much and not care about it. It’s kinda messed up, but it does happen everywhere. In our modern society money is power

    • @DavidCruickshank
      @DavidCruickshank Před rokem +218

      If your concerned about the price your too poor for them to accept you.

    • @Gilvids
      @Gilvids Před rokem +57

      @@bolson42 knowlege is power. Not money...

    • @celestiaXX
      @celestiaXX Před rokem +34

      Exactly!!! When I went to a all you can eat place, they will charge you the normal dinner price at the end. I was so worried that I was gonna be charged for the price for all the dishes. :/

  • @benjaminwhite7421
    @benjaminwhite7421 Před rokem +5761

    My father in law has a restaurant that operates like this in Osaka. There's no menu and price is per person negotiated in advance. His clients are executives, doctors, lawyers, etc.

    • @nightmendo7844
      @nightmendo7844 Před rokem +211

      Just curious, what type of food do they serve to certain customers paying different prices if there is no menu? Or if the customer wants to order something spicific?

    • @benjaminwhite7421
      @benjaminwhite7421 Před rokem +749

      @@nightmendo7844 it's traditional Japanese food and there's never different prices for different people dinning with the party. Remember, it's not open to the general public. They would only send one invoice, no splitting checks. A customer would call and make arrangements, like this many people at this time on that day and one of us likes this and someone likes that. Everything is bought fresh that day at that big fish market in Osaka, so what's available dictates the menu. It's very seasonal.

    • @KaibaSeto.
      @KaibaSeto. Před rokem +264

      @@benjaminwhite7421 That's pretty cool
      Knowing that the food and ingredients always will be fresh

    • @carinalaurel2571
      @carinalaurel2571 Před rokem +127

      it's pretty cool concept ngl. i hope find the network to that restaurant

    • @JacobthePoshPotato
      @JacobthePoshPotato Před rokem +98

      @@benjaminwhite7421 Ah so kind of like a celebration venue or a catering service. Makes sense.

  • @psnachtmuzik
    @psnachtmuzik Před rokem +890

    Also Kyoto: why is our old culture dying away?

    • @Abhishek-fe3zs
      @Abhishek-fe3zs Před rokem +127

      Ikr? This is essentially fusing modern capitalism with traditional kindness and ruining both

    • @dycedargselderbrother5353
      @dycedargselderbrother5353 Před rokem +203

      @@Abhishek-fe3zs There isn't really anything modern about this. It's a holdover from feudal Japan. The purpose of it was to get closer to the ruling class, back when Kyoto was the capital. It's just like patronage of the arts in medieval Europe, which also required sponsorship and put you around the ruling class.

    • @Abhishek-fe3zs
      @Abhishek-fe3zs Před rokem +7

      @@dycedargselderbrother5353 yeah man, that's what I meant

    • @Kefka2010
      @Kefka2010 Před rokem +39

      I wonder how many of these businesses are successful? Maybe if you've been around for a while you have a strong customer base but if you're a new business I can't imagine this is a model you would actually choose.

    • @nknown3982
      @nknown3982 Před rokem +4

      ​@@Kefka2010 I'm sure they charge their regulars with hospitality

  • @jasonlee3055
    @jasonlee3055 Před 10 měsíci +65

    Hospitality means showing friendly and generous reception and entertainment to guests or strangers.
    By definition, it’s the worst hospitality if strangers are not welcomed in.

  • @JustSomePenguin
    @JustSomePenguin Před rokem +615

    It feels like I would be considered ungrateful in Japan for blinking too fast at this point.

    • @Veronicz
      @Veronicz Před rokem +195

      You can’t blink before your senior does. Show some respecc

    • @ContactsNfilters
      @ContactsNfilters Před rokem +61

      They're actually cats. Blink slowly to show you're at ease and they can trust you.

    • @woodside4life
      @woodside4life Před rokem +13

      Even typing “blinking“ is disrespectful.

    • @hopefulromantic.
      @hopefulromantic. Před rokem +4

      sorry their culture annoys u 😬

    • @giviseiprusa
      @giviseiprusa Před rokem +13

      You have to be respectful toward other cultures, especially when you're visiting their homeland. Most Asian cultures are much stricter and have many more rules for politeness than Western ones do, and it's not just Asia. Only shows the much higher level of societal and customal development. In many Asian languages there are entire language systems divided in "polite" and "common/familiar", with lots of special honorific terms and so on. If you can't respect those things, don't come visiting. Anywhere.

  • @SCP-tn2ln
    @SCP-tn2ln Před rokem +5564

    "You may think that Kyoto has many xenophobic people..."
    **You are right, they do have too many xenophobic people*

    • @luciddream2033
      @luciddream2033 Před rokem +384

      Well its a common theme among Asian countries.

    • @luciddream2033
      @luciddream2033 Před rokem +294

      @@delix8869 to be xenophobic is smart? How so?

    • @revimfadli4666
      @revimfadli4666 Před rokem +64

      @@luciddream2033 perhaps except ex-european colonies that somehow still glorify white/European people as "smarter, richer etc", or compare their own social turmoil with the USA's moon landing as if the latter doesn't have social problems too

    • @honestdave
      @honestdave Před rokem +288

      @@revimfadli4666 hey at least we don't kick people at a restaurant for not being from a very particular part of the country. Let's go capitalism.

    • @proudmen1220
      @proudmen1220 Před rokem +14

      @@luciddream2033 yes,look in Europe, many foreigners

  • @Acle75
    @Acle75 Před 10 měsíci +24

    "Why are our economy crashing?"
    "Nobody was invited"

  • @SwimminWitDaFishies
    @SwimminWitDaFishies Před rokem +40

    I can just imagine getting the bill and there are all kinds of "surprise" add-ons / like a charge for using the washroom ($50), premium sake surcharge ($90), overtime charge for dining over 60 min ($70)

    • @jeffweber7043
      @jeffweber7043 Před 10 měsíci +6

      Breathing $10 existing $15 sitting $45

  • @jasonpark1556
    @jasonpark1556 Před rokem +8649

    How did the first customer get accepted 💀

    • @pillowcaseee
      @pillowcaseee Před rokem +2824

      The owners knew them.

    • @jasonpark1556
      @jasonpark1556 Před rokem +618

      @@pillowcaseee twas a joke my humorless friend

    • @-opresiet-1414
      @-opresiet-1414 Před rokem +1467

      @@jasonpark1556 He's not humorless it was just a really bad joke. (jk don't hurt me)

    • @BrumEldar
      @BrumEldar Před rokem +128

      Probably with magic or screaming around🤔

    • @uuu12343
      @uuu12343 Před rokem +165

      @@jasonpark1556
      I genuinely asked that question too though

  • @erhiueQWEF
    @erhiueQWEF Před rokem +548

    I can't imagine how many lifelong friendships have ended over this exact thing.

  • @eggmug562
    @eggmug562 Před rokem +161

    That just sounds like a way to get someone to go way overboard with drinking and eating and then get smashed with the bill later.

    • @dabest217
      @dabest217 Před rokem +13

      if you need to read the bill. then you're not supposed to be in there

    • @Ashley-lm4nv
      @Ashley-lm4nv Před 11 měsíci +21

      @@discoloured3492 Rich people don't get rich by not knowing what they pay.

    • @arcticafrostbite617
      @arcticafrostbite617 Před 11 měsíci +5

      @@Ashley-lm4nv thanks for telling everyone you're not rich but think of yourself as rich.

    • @JM-mh1pp
      @JM-mh1pp Před 10 měsíci +11

      ​@@arcticafrostbite617one of the richest guy in Sweden used both sides of paper to print... cause it was cheaper

    • @tfordham13
      @tfordham13 Před 10 měsíci

      ​@@dabest217no

  • @MrFuggleGuggle
    @MrFuggleGuggle Před rokem +184

    Annnd, that's why Kyoto is still at risk of going bankrupt.

    • @Aristocratic13
      @Aristocratic13 Před 11 měsíci

      Are you for real?

    • @XxPrettiestGirlxX
      @XxPrettiestGirlxX Před 10 měsíci +14

      @@Aristocratic13I mean these restaurants are literally shooing away potential customers. Ik that this is part of their culture but they shouldn’t be shocked that these restaurants are going out of business.

    • @Skiskiski
      @Skiskiski Před 8 měsíci +5

      Their fault!!

  • @F.B.I
    @F.B.I Před rokem +514

    This is literally giving "We only accept 20-year olds with 30 years of experience" vibes

    • @MainDoorFrames
      @MainDoorFrames Před rokem +2

      Intriguing

    • @jaredreynold6336
      @jaredreynold6336 Před rokem +2

      @@MainDoorFrames you both truly are 🙈
      The thing is... One of you oughta be lying, if not even the both of you!😜

    • @JesiAsh
      @JesiAsh Před rokem

      You have never been in vampire club?

  • @dilsoncamacho4100
    @dilsoncamacho4100 Před rokem +751

    IMO this sounds like a scheme to overcharge for stuff without the dude paying actually knowing and then socially pressure the guy into paying for it... a lot like casinos not having windows so you forget about the time, no bill makes you forget that you are buying expensive drinks and that the restaurant is more expensive than others around.

    • @emancebo13
      @emancebo13 Před rokem +100

      Japanese culture does not reflect that kind of behavior, although of course that might happen in different contexts.
      Even behind all that complexity, what lies there (imo) is trust and service beyond the logic of the times. This is what tradition looks like, and tradition has a expensive price most of the time. A true jewel of the past. Of course, if the business keeps running it is probably because of the clientele, which is probably affluent.
      Just like Americans, Japanese do things their own way, they’re just not in-your-face about it, and act more as a community. Wether we (as in third parties) like it or not is of little importance for them.

    • @emancebo13
      @emancebo13 Před rokem +75

      I’ve definitely watch videos of sketchy bars in Tokyo pulling off those schemes though

    • @seanbirtwistle649
      @seanbirtwistle649 Před rokem +36

      i'm not sure theres anything deceptive about it. the person who introduces you will either know you don't mind the bill or they won't. there's an understanding in place that negates any deception. what you get is a relaxing time. casinos on the other hand... well you need to learn the hard way to have a relaxing time

    • @revinaque1342
      @revinaque1342 Před rokem +63

      Not within this culture. It's a very close-knit community that thrives off of exclusivity and tradition. If someone abuses the system, they'll find themselves ostracized. It's definitely a status symbol to be able to enter a place like that, which is why the patrons are mostly VERY rich businessmen. That's where they entertain important clients and seal deals. A family friend of ours married into a very old aristocratic family in Kyoto, and when she took us to that area, she explained how those things work.

    • @fsdds1488
      @fsdds1488 Před rokem +30

      @@emancebo13 Now this actually hapoens once, where a branch of high end vip only restaurant from Kyoto was found recycling leftovers, the scandal spread across the entire chain despite they were actually rivals, the family was split and they only kept the inherited name of the restaurant.

  • @alexandergoh338
    @alexandergoh338 Před rokem +83

    I just left Kyoto today and for the past 2 nights my wife and I were rejected by at least a dozen restaurants for dinner when we walked in and asked politely for a table for 2! 😢

    • @Awddicted
      @Awddicted Před rokem +24

      For a popular restaurant frequent by locals, you have to get your reservation, this applies to everywhere in Japan, you can ask your hotel to help you reserve them

    • @marcuschen786
      @marcuschen786 Před 2 měsíci +1

      Well.
      I traveled alone and I am single so I wont have those problems

  • @lucasmetro
    @lucasmetro Před rokem +21

    "No gaiji no gaiji, yankee go home" was my last experience there with locals. Guy is straight spitting lies, place is increadibly xenophobic and hes whitewashing one of the worst districts to put a positive spin on it.

  • @bengermin3104
    @bengermin3104 Před rokem +527

    "Don't accept first-time visitors"
    Alright then I'll step right back in the moment I'm out because that means I'm now a second-time visitor

  • @mbralliable
    @mbralliable Před rokem +391

    I'm sure that's going well for them. Kyoto is, *checks papers* going bankrupt.
    Oh...

    • @leorobin832
      @leorobin832 Před rokem +18

      Your profile picture is perfect for this comment

    • @Mr_Yeah
      @Mr_Yeah Před rokem +72

      @@leorobin832 Such tradition. Much debt. Wow.

    • @ArcAngle1117
      @ArcAngle1117 Před rokem +18

      You do realize it's possible for a business to be profitable while a city is in debt right?

    • @sclarin2
      @sclarin2 Před rokem +29

      @@ArcAngle1117 You missed the point and farted on the joke. Nice work ace

    • @chrismanuel9768
      @chrismanuel9768 Před rokem +11

      @@ArcAngle1117 You do realize most of these businesses have gone under in the past few years, yeah? 🙄

  • @mrmacross
    @mrmacross Před rokem +18

    You get served today and get billed months later... So it's like getting medical treatment.

  • @Ed19601
    @Ed19601 Před rokem +9

    Simple, i don't go to businesses where i am not welcome

  • @jmanok
    @jmanok Před rokem +339

    Imagine needing a resume to eat dinner

    • @Klayperson
      @Klayperson Před rokem +17

      Need food to eat dinner
      Need money to get food
      Need job to get money
      Need resume to get job
      Fugg

    • @salguodrolyat2594
      @salguodrolyat2594 Před rokem

      Depends on what type of dinner you are eating.😁

    • @jokerpilled2535
      @jokerpilled2535 Před rokem +8

      @@Klayperson need nepotism to build resume

    • @falloutbattlefield521
      @falloutbattlefield521 Před rokem

      ​@@Klaypersonneed education credentials and qualifications to build resume
      Need money to get education fugg

  • @dumchin
    @dumchin Před rokem +2577

    The dark side of hanamachi has been revealed by a former Maiko. She was forced to drink a lot and even to take bath with some customers when she was an early teen. There are many things that they cannot show ordinary people. That is why they refuse new comers.

    • @nvdll3883
      @nvdll3883 Před rokem +81

      And the age of consent is 14 in Japan...

    • @tiarezavaleta8850
      @tiarezavaleta8850 Před rokem +414

      @@nvdll3883 they are still forcing her.

    • @shimmerydew
      @shimmerydew Před rokem +328

      @@nvdll3883 no it's not. 13 is the lowest a prefecture can go, because anyone 12 or younger is automatically deemed as unable to consent. Most of the country is 16-18.

    • @stingrae919
      @stingrae919 Před rokem +423

      @@nvdll3883 that’s not exactly true. No prefecture that I know of in Japan has that low of a consent age. It is still illegal for an adult to engage in sexual activity with a 13 year old in Japan. That is a misconception that really should be smoothed over by now but people are still confused about. It’s kinda like how the legal minimum wage in the USA is $7.25/hr but it’s illegal to pay that little wage in many of the states because of the individual state rules. Just because the legal consent age is 13 doesn’t mean that Japanese prefectures don’t have laws prohibiting them. The corruption of minors/obscenity statutes makes sure that it is illegal to engage in sexual activity with a 13 year old as an adult.

    • @daruthebeast
      @daruthebeast Před rokem +77

      they refuse new coomers

  • @theotherjared9824
    @theotherjared9824 Před rokem +57

    "No first time visitors" because that's a sustainable business model.

    • @PolevayaMysh
      @PolevayaMysh Před rokem +1

      If it works, it works. If it didn't work, they'd changed it by now.

    • @joedefraties3304
      @joedefraties3304 Před 11 měsíci +6

      typically these restaurants have been around a long time which is kind of the definition of sustainable.

    • @mrparts
      @mrparts Před 10 měsíci

      These are entertainment clubs for the very wealthy. You only get in if you’re in the circle.

  • @EZRinc
    @EZRinc Před rokem +13

    Imagine needing a co-signer to eat dinner

  • @deanmcintyre4334
    @deanmcintyre4334 Před rokem +1559

    Ehhh this would make me very uncomfortable I'd rather pay for my meal day of.

    • @DavidCruickshank
      @DavidCruickshank Před rokem +66

      If your uncomfortable about the cost your too poor for them to accept you.

    • @deanmcintyre4334
      @deanmcintyre4334 Před rokem

      No Dick, it's not appropriate to not list the price of your product. Real business is negotiated before hand. Anything else is just a scam.
      One day you'll learn.

    • @DelightfullyGrace
      @DelightfullyGrace Před rokem +361

      @@DavidCruickshank or you’re the kind of person who likes to keep full tabs on their budget, so things like this are out of your comfort zone. I like to be prepared, regardless of situation - I look up menu items and decide what I want in advance, I like to have a grocery list preplanned when I go to the store, I like to know exactly how I’m going to spend my time every day when going on trips. It’s less about the money and more about the assurance that you’re in control. Even if I stray from my plans, list, or budget (which I usually do), there’s a calmness in knowing that I made those decisions with full certainty of what I was choosing. Some people just have a certain way of doing things and don’t like straying from it.

    • @ElMizuki
      @ElMizuki Před rokem +31

      Well, eastern cultures are completely different from western countries. It's just a matter of perspective.

    • @clothar23
      @clothar23 Před rokem +101

      @@DelightfullyGrace Dude these kind of places aren't for control freaks like you. They're for moderately wealthy people to have a relaxing time.
      I don't necessarily agree with the whole premise but I have got better things than to complain about how a business is run.
      They are plenty of other places just as nice that run a much more transparent business. In fact I would argue nicer since they're much more inviting.
      Even if their furniture isn't some overpriced antique collection.

  • @BoringFlightVids
    @BoringFlightVids Před rokem +317

    "In order for the store to always collect the amount they charge" a group of wonderful men will find and kindly ask for you to pay in a yet to be determined alleyway....with your face....

    • @KAT-hs3xh
      @KAT-hs3xh Před rokem +4

      The Yakuza 💀💀

    • @AmyraCarter
      @AmyraCarter Před 2 měsíci +1

      Oh yes, I'd love to see them try...
      I don't care who they are; underestimating me, regardless, is a mistake anyone, and everyone, will only make once...

  • @camille2141
    @camille2141 Před 4 měsíci +4

    I loved Kyoto and was mildly fluent in Japanese. I was living in Japan then , but it was thirty years ago. A friend of my father’s sponsored us for a couple nights and we were lavishly treated and catered to. My dad of course gifted him back with a private weekend trip for his family somewhere all expenses paid. Found out 15 years later both parties had spent over 20 grand on each other 😮😮 It was a weekend I will never forget though!!!

  • @seaotter4439
    @seaotter4439 Před rokem +27

    It's like a Mafia-run business. You have to know a guy who knows a guy, and if you're worrying about the fees for services, maybe you shouldn't be here

  • @lupisvolk2420
    @lupisvolk2420 Před rokem +1905

    Ah Japan, where even xenophobia comes with extra steps.

    • @Lena-zn4re
      @Lena-zn4re Před rokem +409

      More classist than xenophobia I would say. Since most Japanese people who aren’t wealthy enough to have these connections would be rejected as well.

    • @bunnieyumi
      @bunnieyumi Před rokem +230

      @@Lena-zn4re I agree. Clearly many Japanese don't like foreigners but this is more of a wealth and trust thing.

    • @aeonremnant
      @aeonremnant Před rokem +47

      @@bunnieyumi I’d say it’s split fairly 50/50.

    • @qaq8296
      @qaq8296 Před rokem +131

      Rejecting first time customers does not equal to being xenophobic, there are lots of clubs in western countries which requires the consumers to be introduced by other members too, are these clubs all xenophobic? The membership system used in both examples is more of a marketing strategy

    • @panzerplays2189
      @panzerplays2189 Před rokem +17

      Oh-oh yeah (burps) Morty. It’s like slavery but with extra… steps

  • @hurrsia
    @hurrsia Před rokem +3213

    “You may think Japan has many xenophobic people….and you’d probably be right!” XD

    • @Afmedic85
      @Afmedic85 Před rokem +163

      Yeah but nobody criticizes Japan over it. The US though...

    • @ruefullysage
      @ruefullysage Před rokem

      @@Afmedic85 yes, Japan is less relevant globally than the US.

    • @elmerandrewcrowley2822
      @elmerandrewcrowley2822 Před rokem +152

      @@Afmedic85 because it's when it's Japan it's just seen as a cultural people stuck in their ways whereas the US should know better somehow?

    • @caturdayz44
      @caturdayz44 Před rokem

      Asians still have some degree of racial and national pride, it has been beaten out of the US through generations of media and (re)education. The process in the east is ongoing.

    • @thefollower89
      @thefollower89 Před rokem +275

      @@Afmedic85 well historically Japan has had long periods of isolation from the rest of the world while the USA is a country founded by immigrants

  • @MonBerry
    @MonBerry Před rokem +7

    This is like every corporate company nowadays. They wont hire you unless you know someone or you have 2000 years experience.

  • @raraavis7782
    @raraavis7782 Před rokem +6

    Reminds me of Victorian era England. Where you weren't allowed to talk to someone at a ball or elsewhere in public, unless a common acquaintance would introduce you first. Even if you knew, who the person was. Which, I'm sure, seemed silly in some situations, but it also went a long way towards protecting people from folks with bad intentions.
    Even today, an introduction by the right person, will open a lot of doors for you. In business and socially. So let's not pretend, we're totally above this type of behavior.

  • @SauceChef
    @SauceChef Před rokem +96

    This seems way more convoluted than it should be

  • @jasleensarna5224
    @jasleensarna5224 Před rokem +128

    Hey can I-
    Get out.
    *✨Best hospitality✨*

  • @user-vy4dt6jg9g
    @user-vy4dt6jg9g Před rokem +7

    Longest way of saying “Yakuza restaurants”

  • @ashtar3876
    @ashtar3876 Před rokem +20

    Sounds like they want you to spend more than you plan to

    • @crptnite
      @crptnite Před 10 měsíci +1

      Sounds like they don't want new customers 🤷🏽🙄

  • @Feuerex
    @Feuerex Před rokem +310

    Typical convoluted system to solve a problem that doesn't exist, love it!
    "Hey, can you let me in?"
    "Oh, sorry, we don't allow just random visitors in, because we bill them later and are afraid they may not pay."
    "Well I can pay right now, and eat later, that's an option, or maybe.."
    " *N O* "

    • @johnr797
      @johnr797 Před rokem +34

      I think part of it is they want to make sure the patrons will be respectful of the Maiko or Geiko they will be dining with.

    • @ContactsNfilters
      @ContactsNfilters Před rokem +19

      @@johnr797 this makes sense as often people think that using "their hard earned money" gives them a right to act disrespectful.

    • @KossolaxtheForesworn
      @KossolaxtheForesworn Před rokem +10

      @@johnr797 I asked for food, not company.

    • @johnr797
      @johnr797 Před rokem +19

      @@KossolaxtheForesworn then go somewhere else?

    • @KossolaxtheForesworn
      @KossolaxtheForesworn Před rokem +1

      @@johnr797 no.

  • @articusramos808
    @articusramos808 Před rokem +116

    I'll befriend the vending Machines instead.

    • @SirDankleberry
      @SirDankleberry Před rokem +31

      At least the vending machine won't judge you.

    • @bunnieyumi
      @bunnieyumi Před rokem +27

      The vending machine isn't classiest or xenophobic.

    • @honestdave
      @honestdave Před rokem +23

      The vending machine keeps it simple.

  • @chezdesy
    @chezdesy Před rokem +4

    This is the opposite hospitality. Change is eminent.

  • @csl9495
    @csl9495 Před rokem +9

    Months later....
    Charged for food and drinks you didn't order.

    • @AmadeuShinChan
      @AmadeuShinChan Před rokem

      😂dude you have no idea about order in japan. Go there and get blown… away.😂😊

  • @MrVyrtuoso
    @MrVyrtuoso Před rokem +79

    Seems more efficient to ditch the landlady hospitality and just serve the first time customer and bill them for the meal.

    • @maalikserebryakov
      @maalikserebryakov Před rokem +6

      Yeah but its their culture

    • @ldobehardcore
      @ldobehardcore Před rokem +39

      @@maalikserebryakov Literally every culture in the entire world with wealthy people has High-end invite-only clubs that bill you later.
      This isn't a tourist attraction. This is the kind of place Yakuza heads own, operate and frequent.
      "Oh you can't pay your bill? I guess I could give you a loan" and then a few weeks later you're decapitated in a ditch.

    • @revimfadli4666
      @revimfadli4666 Před rokem +14

      @@ldobehardcore it does give Yakuza vibes, especially the "select guests only"

    • @ArcAngle1117
      @ArcAngle1117 Před rokem

      Then you're missing the point.

    • @revimfadli4666
      @revimfadli4666 Před rokem +1

      @@ArcAngle1117 the point being?

  • @chompythebeast
    @chompythebeast Před rokem +7

    Separating people from their wallets is never a form of "hospitality" when there's a bill coming later, it's a way to make people so comfortable they spend even more. It's manipulative, not gracious. Disney does the exact same thing

  • @Danny.0788
    @Danny.0788 Před rokem +8

    "It's not about what you know, it's about who you know." Always, remember that.

  • @Canadia_Ball
    @Canadia_Ball Před 10 měsíci +5

    Enjoy the day without concerns??? I'm gonna be concerned about that bill for the next three months now because I didn't get to pay it off before!

  • @justanotheryoutubeaccount0
    @justanotheryoutubeaccount0 Před rokem +787

    This prevents Majima Goro having to get involved.

  • @dansir4102
    @dansir4102 Před rokem +1659

    Seeks best hospitality
    Turns you away because they don’t know you
    😂

    • @lilchristuten7568
      @lilchristuten7568 Před rokem +130

      The very opposite of hospitality.

    • @porthosduvallon5301
      @porthosduvallon5301 Před rokem +71

      @@mickeyrace873 bigotry by any other name

    • @mickeyrace873
      @mickeyrace873 Před rokem +21

      @@porthosduvallon5301 would you call not owning a JP morgan reserve card bigotry? Last i heard that card was printed for invitations only

    • @gavins9846
      @gavins9846 Před rokem +13

      @@mickeyrace873 Makes no sense.

    • @Kefka2010
      @Kefka2010 Před rokem +7

      Just sounds like bad business but maybe they have a lot of customers that bring in friends for business?

  • @brandoferg6460
    @brandoferg6460 Před rokem +5

    Japan needs a patch, the updates are getting slow on that server.

  • @johnlarnelladams8783
    @johnlarnelladams8783 Před 9 měsíci +1

    😊Thanks for the great video short 📹 Shogo itoko and its informative touches and knowledge on Kyoto and its entertainment.

  • @luke_fabis
    @luke_fabis Před rokem +328

    So, you come in, you're wined and dined to your heart's content all the way down to the littlest expense, never really knowing how much it's going to cost you, and then months later, you get a bill for heavens know how much? And this is supposed to be a sort of hospitality where you can spend your day not worrying about anything?
    I can only speak for myself, but this would be a very uneasy experience for me. "When am I going to get the bill? How much am I in the hole for? Oh, man, they won't even let me cover my own cab fare!?" That's a really bitter mix of uncertainty and emasculation.
    It's not even about the price tag. I'm sure it's pricey; that's what one should expect. It's the opacity of, and lack of agency in the experience that makes it deeply uncomfortable.

    • @cupofjoen
      @cupofjoen Před rokem +32

      Lack of business legitimacy.

    • @bunnieyumi
      @bunnieyumi Před rokem +48

      Well clearly the rich who go there don't think that way, that's why these still exist. People like the luxury

    • @thassalantekreskel5742
      @thassalantekreskel5742 Před rokem +101

      What people in these comments don't seem to understand is that the reason there's no discussion of the bill, and this leaves the visitors worry free, is that the clientele are typically rich, or at least affluent enough that the actual price they pay is inconsequential to their budget. When the bill arrives and how much it is doesn't matter, because they know they have enough. You and I don't have that kind of fiscal security, so a "mystery bill" would be stressful.

    • @Joel-bh5xd
      @Joel-bh5xd Před rokem +45

      If you need to worry about the invoice… you can’t afford to go there. It’s simple really.

    • @Chris-de2qc
      @Chris-de2qc Před rokem +11

      These clients don't care. It would be like McDonald's charging you later.

  • @ManuelRiccobono
    @ManuelRiccobono Před rokem +2121

    I immagine what chaos can cause a karen going into a restaurant in japan

    • @mzrorange7527
      @mzrorange7527 Před rokem +145

      Ohh no the horror

    • @emancebo13
      @emancebo13 Před rokem +189

      Not even Godzilla would make such a mess…
      Tea houses better get those kids’ menu chicken fingers and fries ready just in case…

    • @soundsculptor3549
      @soundsculptor3549 Před rokem +10

      Whats a karen?

    • @reddfeather8007
      @reddfeather8007 Před rokem +184

      @@soundsculptor3549 a slang for a person, usually female, who thinks they are entitled to being treated differently.

    • @opheriayu
      @opheriayu Před rokem +34

      @@emancebo13 Godzilla is cute and adorable too 🥺💗
      I have a plushy. He also sleeps a lot 🤭
      Karens... Not sure about those

  • @Ulquiorra_Cifer
    @Ulquiorra_Cifer Před 10 měsíci +2

    Yeah in my country we have something similar, except it's for getting an actual job or even an internship

  • @bigmr9505
    @bigmr9505 Před rokem +2

    And then when the "introducer" doenst pay that where they call the yakuza 🤣🤣🤣

  • @Bzorlan
    @Bzorlan Před rokem +480

    That's not the landlady being hospitable though. You still have to pay her back.

    • @tickledonions9483
      @tickledonions9483 Před rokem +8

      They are offering a type of after pay service though

    • @sirstamfordraffles6557
      @sirstamfordraffles6557 Před rokem +67

      @@tickledonions9483
      Which is like-Why would you even want that in the first place?

    • @sirstamfordraffles6557
      @sirstamfordraffles6557 Před rokem +13

      @@cyan_oxy6734
      That’s not how a loan works tbh.

    • @musicwithj1759
      @musicwithj1759 Před rokem +5

      @@cyan_oxy6734it’s a loan 😂😂 no it’s food, not a car or house 💀💀💀

    • @laurencepaille5753
      @laurencepaille5753 Před rokem +19

      I think its more like an "hospitality experience". You come for the experience of eating, drinking and have fun without the hassle of having to exchange money at the end of the night.
      And for those who are worried about the bill, are not the type of customer they want to attract.

  • @wohdinhel
    @wohdinhel Před rokem +83

    same energy as “entry level job, 10 years of experience required”

  • @amandarengel7260
    @amandarengel7260 Před 8 měsíci

    I love your CZcams shorts. Very informative and well done. I share them with my cousin. We are both learning Japanese.

  • @CultReaperGaming
    @CultReaperGaming Před rokem +23

    Japanese version of Karen’s diner

  • @saadmaanshahrier
    @saadmaanshahrier Před rokem +98

    Imagine one-day you are chilling in your sofa and suddenly you receive a 1000$ bill
    That would be epic

  • @bhud5235
    @bhud5235 Před rokem +134

    "How do they collect the money owed?"
    *Mr Shakedown would like to know your location*

    • @ZX3000GT1
      @ZX3000GT1 Před rokem

      Well, time to pull out the bat and beat him senseless yet again

  • @edwardmadden1231
    @edwardmadden1231 Před 10 měsíci

    That’s hospitality that is finest!! So polite n kind hearted way of doing things!! Love learning their culture would love to learn the language to

  • @LeonValCh
    @LeonValCh Před 10 měsíci +1

    In other words, those restaurants are the "Invite only" kind. Except the invite can be issued by any regulars to people whom they trust.

  • @jjprs3062
    @jjprs3062 Před rokem +833

    "oh sure, I'll just bill you months later. Don't worry, I know exactly how much you owe me that night. I will never try to overcharge you at all"

    • @irregulargamer1352
      @irregulargamer1352 Před rokem +20

      If you're rich you don't care

    • @jjprs3062
      @jjprs3062 Před rokem +121

      ​@@irregulargamer1352 That doesn't excuse the fact that it's quite literally a scheme.

    • @irregulargamer1352
      @irregulargamer1352 Před rokem +8

      @@jjprs3062 yeah but there's a demand for exclusivity and unique services people will pay extra for. if you can provide it why not?

    • @jjprs3062
      @jjprs3062 Před rokem +71

      ​@@irregulargamer1352 So you are accepting that it's a scheme?
      "Yeah its a scheme, but people are willing to pay for it! Why not?"
      If people are willing to pay for a scheme, that doesn't make the scheme in question any better.
      It's a very dubious business that preys on the customer's memory. It might not even be sustainable for how it works.

    • @Ms.AllSunday930
      @Ms.AllSunday930 Před rokem +10

      @@irregulargamer1352 The rich are dying out and its hard to get rich if you werent born that way.

  • @mikkeldavidsen7352
    @mikkeldavidsen7352 Před rokem +153

    From what Ive heard, there’s still a lot of people who get rejected because they’re foreign ://

    • @FlorianBuchholz1
      @FlorianBuchholz1 Před rokem +13

      I mean, there has to be someone, probably from Japan that trusts you a lot. Which would take some time to get to know someone that well.

    • @kotori40
      @kotori40 Před rokem

      100%

    • @maxxor-overworldhero6730
      @maxxor-overworldhero6730 Před rokem +1

      Which is why Kyoto's nearly bankrupt.

  • @stungunnotapplicable1953

    To appropriate a George Carlin quote: "It's a big club, and you ain't in it."

    • @AmyraCarter
      @AmyraCarter Před 2 měsíci +1

      Deserves a hundredfold as many likes.

  • @timefoolery
    @timefoolery Před rokem +1

    This is actually how it is to get into the Court of St. James in England. You must either be already well-known or be introduced by someone well-known to the Court, and you must then be vetted by the Lord Chamberlain before you may attend any Court events the King/Queen might be attending. This process is very much mirrored in this niche society in Kyoto with the mistress of the tea house acting as the Lord Chamberlain with somewhat more power in a way, for she is also queen!

  • @de0509
    @de0509 Před rokem +478

    This is running a business with too many additional steps. Just feed me, charge me on the spot, and let me go home

    • @clothar23
      @clothar23 Před rokem +47

      Everything in Japan has extra steps. Unless it's a macdonalds or some other similar western import.
      Even their local bars have odd customs.

    • @joshs5577
      @joshs5577 Před rokem +27

      I mean this isn’t that unusual to me. Something similar is Soho House where you can only enter their locations after 1) being nominated by two accepted members 2) turning in an application regarding your career and 3) pass a highly subjective committee of whether you fit in to their overall mission statement. Overall, this just seems like a more expansive version of highly exclusionary social clubs that have existed since the dawn of complex society.

    • @de0509
      @de0509 Před rokem +65

      @@clothar23 And even before covid, their economy stagnated. This is not a business practice that should be celebrated

    • @fabianlaibin6956
      @fabianlaibin6956 Před rokem +6

      @@de0509 and that's not really relevant to this business though, I'm pretty sure the practises of a hospitality and service industry doesn't somehow rule all of Japan's economy...

    • @Somebody-dl8og
      @Somebody-dl8og Před rokem +4

      Y'all don't understand what tradition is.

  • @marcusaurelius6847
    @marcusaurelius6847 Před rokem +819

    Japanese be like, let's just complicate life for no reason

    • @deepalall647
      @deepalall647 Před rokem +173

      They're bored on that small island so have to make stuff up to keep themselves entertained.

    • @gandalf8216
      @gandalf8216 Před rokem +55

      @@deepalall647 That's culture for you.

    • @deepalall647
      @deepalall647 Před rokem +6

      @@gandalf8216 No

    • @gandalf8216
      @gandalf8216 Před rokem +48

      @@deepalall647 Praying in church is culture, and to cure boredom. Thinking too much (philosophy) is too. Not to mention science, it would never exist unless people were bored. Boredom is incentive.

    • @taylorbug9
      @taylorbug9 Před rokem +1

      Seriously

  • @Nippleless_Cage
    @Nippleless_Cage Před rokem +5

    What a relief to find a YT Short that doesn't have a cringe loop at the end. 😅

  • @buckovin
    @buckovin Před rokem +7

    I can see why Japan's society is dying quickly

    • @Cheepchipsable
      @Cheepchipsable Před rokem +1

      Because they are not getting served in random restaurants?

    • @jonasw3945
      @jonasw3945 Před 6 měsíci +1

      Because a random invite only restaurant exists ?

  • @generalbkkg1684
    @generalbkkg1684 Před rokem +1434

    This is the shitiest system that I've ever seen in my life

    • @mazen6446
      @mazen6446 Před rokem +100

      Agreed.

    • @books2438
      @books2438 Před rokem +412

      Literally. What even is the advantage of paying later? So you can enjoy a “stress free” day? If you’re rich enough to eat somewhere even though you don’t know the price, you’re rich enough to not worry about the price even if it’s right in your face as you eat

    • @Mormollio
      @Mormollio Před rokem +230

      You're not the target demographic

    • @EliAs-ub6yf
      @EliAs-ub6yf Před rokem +85

      Aren't there invite only clubs, bars and restaurants in the entire world too?

    • @leroyjenkins4811
      @leroyjenkins4811 Před rokem +261

      @@Mormollio
      You’re right. I’m not the target demographic for this type of service. I’m a very straight up and no nonsense type of person. I don’t like surprises. Tell me how much this stuff cost so I can pay you right now. That way our business will be complete and since I paid you, the bill is settled. There are never any bad feelings because I paid the restaurant owner, I didn’t embarrass my friends, and I didn’t dishonor myself. Everyone remains friendly. Besides , I’m pretty sure restaurant owners need their money immediately.

  • @3xfaster
    @3xfaster Před rokem +209

    “Ey, I know a buddy of mine, lemme introduce ya”

  • @ardianhesa4340
    @ardianhesa4340 Před rokem +1

    My friend was introduced to a restaurant in kyoto by his boss and at the time he had no idea what he got himself into since he's not Japanese (his grandma is), his seniors just clapped when he returned to work 3 days later and then got the explanations, up to today, he had introduced 7 people to a restaurant in Kyoto

  • @corgisaan
    @corgisaan Před rokem

    Oh wow thanks for explaining this! We went to Kyoto years ago and was turned away at multiple restaurants in the area. It always left a bad impression but now I understand why. Thanks!

  • @sirmeowmeow7319
    @sirmeowmeow7319 Před rokem +11

    well he ddnt say it but this is controlled by yakuzas

  • @zukodude487987
    @zukodude487987 Před rokem +148

    I just opened a new restaurant that nobody has ever visited, but to get in you must be invited by someone who has visited the restaurant before...

    • @11facehugger
      @11facehugger Před rokem +23

      And don't worry, you can spend as much as you want without worrying about it! (Until you forget a few months later and get the bill)

    • @nknown3982
      @nknown3982 Před rokem +5

      Genius

    • @wasdkug_tr
      @wasdkug_tr Před rokem +4

      And unless your rich. If your not rich you cant get in

    • @black_wink1649
      @black_wink1649 Před rokem +9

      Maybe you can invite the first round of guests yourself

  • @ShaneTheViking
    @ShaneTheViking Před rokem

    Oh I love this, I want this business model to be expanded to nearly everything, I mean being vetted as respectful, and accountable, with risk of consequence and personal shame, while encouraging the business to provide a quality of service? Beautiful.

  • @Rob17Cotton
    @Rob17Cotton Před 4 měsíci

    I really enjoy your videos explaining Japanese culture I'd love to visit Japan one day

  • @SuperHuscarl
    @SuperHuscarl Před rokem +241

    “According to this bill, I drank 4 gallons of sake in one night.”
    “Only 4, Jim?”

  • @baggier
    @baggier Před rokem +55

    That's insane gatekeeping

  • @mazzysmainframe
    @mazzysmainframe Před rokem

    That is an amazing concept!

  • @joshdaniels2363
    @joshdaniels2363 Před rokem +32

    There are dining clubs in the US that are available to members only, too, so this doesn't strike me as all that unusual. The structure is a it different, but ultimately, it's simply a matter of needing to be sponsored by someone who's already "in."

  • @ElizaHamilton1780
    @ElizaHamilton1780 Před rokem +1676

    Yeah, well. They shouldn’t complain about why the geisha district isn’t getting as much business and it’s dying on the vine. They have zero right to complain. They boxed themselves in. They need to pay the price for that, literally.

    • @flyby3079
      @flyby3079 Před rokem +247

      Exactly. They should allow first time customers to come & pay right away. Would be such an easy fix.

    • @theinvisiblewoman5709
      @theinvisiblewoman5709 Před rokem +328

      No. This is a lesson that traditions naturally die. Some people learn this the hard way. Forcing them to concede or adapt their traditions will only cause resentment and drama

    • @Cyb3rP5ych0
      @Cyb3rP5ych0 Před rokem +33

      ​@@theinvisiblewoman5709go away gaijin

    • @FN-ib8wd
      @FN-ib8wd Před rokem +169

      @@Cyb3rP5ych0 You don’t seem to be from Japan either.

    • @GrikWorldNomad
      @GrikWorldNomad Před rokem +25

      When in Rome..... I have been very disappointed by gaijin behaviour in Japan.

  • @edmg7
    @edmg7 Před rokem +691

    Seems like a system that can be abused, but can also lead to much greater trust between people.

    • @cameronschyuder9034
      @cameronschyuder9034 Před rokem +116

      Oh it was/is definitely abused. Check out his video on the news of someone pressured (I think) to drink alcohol as a maiko when she was 16

    • @shotnothing3419
      @shotnothing3419 Před rokem +49

      @@cameronschyuder9034 i think OP is referring to the customers, not so much the staff

    • @matahari2667
      @matahari2667 Před rokem +55

      The introducer will only introduce someone they can trust. E. g., I would never introduce my sister, who is shameless and dishonest, but would introduce a friend I know I can trust.

    • @edmg7
      @edmg7 Před rokem +7

      @@shotnothing3419 I mean either.

    • @yothiga
      @yothiga Před rokem +5

      They actually negotiated before enter is what I understand. More like a catering business.

  • @gkd258
    @gkd258 Před rokem +2

    No, just no. If I ever encountered this I may just egg the shop out of spite. This is a great business model if your goal is to agitate people.