How the Hammer of the Waters Explains the Mythology, History & Geography of Planetos | ASOIAF Theory
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- 🌍 Exploring Planetos: Geomorphy and Geography Before the Hammer of the Waters 🌍
📑Chapters:
- 00:00 Intro
- 00:41 Hammer of the Waters
- 02:26 Dorne
- 03:37 Stormlands
- 06:43 Crownlands, Veil, North & Riverlands
- 08:14 Westerlands & Iron Islands
- 09:09 Reach
- 13:47 Free Cities
- 14:48 Central Essos
- 21:01 Far East
- 25:16 Sothoryos, Basilisk Islands, Naath & Summer Isles
- 27:37 Full Planet Conclusions
- 29:19 Outro
📖Sources:
- ASoIaF book series, Game of Thrones Histories & Lore HBO TV series, The World of Ice and Fire, The Hedge Knight Novels
- The Late Pleistocene mollusk fauna of Selitrennoye (Astrakhan province, Russia): A natural baseline for endemic Caspian Sea faunas. DOI:10.1016/j.jglr.2019.04.001
- Rise and fall of late Pleistocene pluvial lakes in response to reduced evaporation and precipitation: Evidence from Lake Surprise, California. DOI:10.1130/B31014.1
- Quaternary time scales for the Pontocaspian domain: Interbasinal connectivity and faunal evolution DOI:10.1016/j.earscirev.2018.10.013
- Shout out to Crowfood's Daughter from the Disputed Lands (@TheDisputedLands) for inspiration!
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- Maps from Atlas Of Ice And Fire, Sigils from A Wiki of Ice & Fire
🔍Keywords: Theory, Analysis, ASOIAF, A Song of Ice and Fire, asoiaf theories, Geography, Hammer of the Waters, Great Empire of the Dawn, Fisher Queens, Dawn Age Planetos. - Zábava
I am not a geographer nor do I claim to be, I just enjoy geography and geology a lot!
I didn't mention it, but most likely the the fights between tCotF and the Humans would differ slightly from area to area. For example, the conflicts in the Stormlands would have been about cutting down trees for use in buildings and other artifacts, but in the Reach and the Riverlands, they would also deforest large areas to create farmlands and fields, with Ironborn and other seafarers using the timber for shipbuilding, thus differentiating the fights.
19:11 Oddly enough, I think this could help to explain Balerion's size, since he's said to have been able to swallow a mammoth whole. If the mammoths in question are Ibbenese Mammoths, and if they experienced dwarfism based on being stranded on an island after the Hammer cut off Ib from the mainland, they could be similar in size to the Wrangel Island mammoths.
Thus they'd be about the size of an IRL Aurochs (otherwise Balerion was INSANELY huge).
Counterpoint: Balerion was INSANELY huge. Discuss
10:51 This just makes it that much more crazy to me that Unwin Peake was only leading 1000 men to support Ormund Hightower; if he had THREE keeps and their lands and wealth at his disposal, one of which was at the mouth of the Mander, the Peakes should have been rolling in dough.
(I've been doing a military analysis of the Dance on my Tumblr blog, and OH BOY, George was NOT sending his best with this one!)
Peak was trying to save his back I think and was trying to not use all his resources. I think at least, it would make sense with his character.
@@CompanyOfTheCat Which would make sense, if George didn't have literally the entire rest of the Reach support Rhaenyra for some bizarre reason. Especially with Starpike being in the Marches, and thus probably close to the Tarlys, I don't think Peake would have had much just but to go all in, purely for survival's sake. And I mean it, if Daeron doesn't win at the Honeywine the war is literally over
Great video :) 23:30 I definitely agree with LML's idea of the timeline where the hammer of the waters is the physical event that triggers the long night, his meteor impact theory makes so much sense and explains how such dramatic geographical changes could happen and why the night lasted so long. It makes more sense than the lack of logic in the children choosing to break the arm of Dorne after thousands of first men had already crossed it.
The edits on the maps are definitely not rough.
Last video was uploaded during the Hammer of the Waters!
χαίρε! Ohhh, I like the idea of a long lost inland sea. This would make the language of the "Dothraki Sea" that much more compelling. The phenomenon of the "Fata Morgana", in which light rays are bent along the horizon to create an optical illusion of a "floating" ships/islands/buildings, is well know to sailors and/or pastoral nomads alike. It's also very GRRMy to make the Water Pirates (Iron Born) have an inland equal, but opposite Land Pirate (Dothraki) counterpart (Ice & Fire). They're all "Raiders" that "Do not sow" at the end of the day.
If much of Westeros could only be reached from the West for a time, this would also support Mance's story of his red sash that was found in the far Nortwest of the lands beyond the Wall was feasible, and not the first expedition of its kind. Indeed, "approaching from the West" may have been the original way for many people in the East to get to Westeros from Essos itself. "To go West you must go East"......of Essos......which becomes the Westcoast (of Westeros) on a sphere/planet ;)
This may be what Quaithe is referring to (i.e. the Long Lost, original, more ancient, "backdoor" route to Westeros, that involves going East of Essos to land on the West of Westeros, as it were......Again very GRRMy in terms of the "equal, but opposite" motif he loves so much.
Not to mention the fact that human history has proven that once folks can make boats, they can/will go anywhere #VeryGreek, amirite? :)
Cheers! See you in streams....
I can tell you how much I appreciate you taking the cations off the screen when you’re reading what’s on the screen. I hate having them overlap
1:36 Also the seat of House Goodbrother is called Hammerhorn.
Yes, there is a bunch of Hammer and Horn things.
And I also loved a comment from a sub: "Horns symbolize magic straight from nature (fertility for example) and hammers symbolize more human, technology-related magic - the kind the smith does at his forge - transformation of the natural into a tool."
@@CompanyOfTheCat I love that quote. Makes a lot of sense.
Dragons might be both hammer and horn, as they seem to be a crafted manipulation of nature.
@@CompanyOfTheCat "Horns" are also large continental, geographical features that sailors use as "signposts" while at sea (e.g. the "Horn of Africa") and could be formed in world from the remnants of a Moon Meteor impact, mayhaps? Many mountains are also called "horns" (e.g. the Matterhorn, the Hornberg(LotR), as well, and are formed from dramatic geological events, as well.
The English word "Horn" is also derived from the Latin "Cornus". This is where we get terms like "Uni-CORN" to mean a single "horned" creature. We also see it in Old English words like "CORN-ucopia" which refers to both the "corn/horn" shape of the serving vessel, but the "Corn" as the seed/grain/food found within it, as well. Hence, making it the "Horn o' Plenty" we see at harvest/Thanksgiving time here in the US, for example.
This play on the words horn/corn (.....hehehehehe..... :) ) is used by Mormont's raven, too. Corn! Corn! Corn!.......Horn! Horn! Horn!......He's trying to tell Jon, and anyone else who will listen, what to look for and where to look for it.
In this case, both a musical "horn", which is made from a literal (dragon) "horn", and buried in the ground like "corn" on top of a mountain, which can also be called a "horn".......Horns are great for playing a "song" of ice and fire on too.
In other words, "The horn horn is on the horn. CORN!"
GRRM loves his wordplay, doesn't he? ;)
I'm only a third of the way through, and will finish watching later, but I (and my compliments) can't wait. Astounding work, truly. Stuff like this is exactly what I want to know, but won't put the work into.
ASoiF is so popular. It's possible, George could be telling little fibs about him not reading theories. At least he will pick up Theory trends every time he is asked a sly (super esoteric) question. Then we proceed to pounce on his answer like rabid dogs. The work in this video shows that he's creating masterpiece. Sometimes, I forget... His books are SO good. We got 5 of them, and we love them probably .
I don't like the cold much. Summer is fun! Winter winds can take their time.
Thanks, I'm so happy people dig this video, bc it's about stuff that I enjoy very much and why I find this series so interesting!
Tysm for this video. I'm also not a geographer/geologist but into that stuff & this video was so useful because I have a theory about the Hammer and your video is helping me a lot in my research to see if I could possibly be right. Especially grateful for u sharing where you got the before & after the Hammer maps from. Those are going to be super useful for me!
Yo, for real, you deserve so many more likes on your videos. Idk whats wrong with people, but this is a 1k👍 for sure. An exceptionally well crafted video essay exploring a fascinating concept with more views than you have subscribers? Its a dang shame.😢 Ill be sharing your videos all over in an effort to get you the thumbs and subs you deserve.
Aw thanks, I'm glad you're enjoying the content 😊
I have a theory that fits perfectly with what you are saying. In ancient days there was a northen passage from Essos to Westeros, very much like Asia and and Alaska.
Ngl, at some point I was considering it, but that would make the narrow sea an inland one and the things even more complicated than they already are. That's why I just dropped it😂
Another amazing video CotC! Great map edits by the way!
10:46 So I noticed a while back that all the maps of the kingdoms in TWOIAF have faint lines of either white or dark green on them that seem to indicate minor roads. In the Reach, there's a white line connecting Brightwater Keep with the Ocean Road, and it crosses the bottom of the "v" formed by the Mouth of the Mander. This is just speculation, but that could be where Dunstonbury is; then you could situate Starpike in the Red Mountains between Horn Hill and Uplands (same longitude as StarFALL roughly). Put Whitegrove somewhere southwest of Highgarden, and you have the three seats of House Peake in a roughly "v" shaped formation on a map, just like on the Peake coat of arms.
Makes, sense even though I'm not sure Martin has put as much thought into the whole "v" thing since the house is way older than when they took all three Castles. Idk about the rest, but I'm fairly sure about Dunstonbury, it must be at the mouth of Mander, I have seen people put Whitegrove and Starpike north of Hornhill, but personally I haven't put much thought into the Peake castles, bc I don't really care about them 😂
About Starpike it kinda makes sense to be located at the mountaintop above Hornhill at the peak that is west of Highgarden and it's again in the same longitude as Starfall, as for Whitegrove I think too is somewhere North of Hornhill, bc there is a big area that seems pretty flat and all in all great for a Keep under the tributary where Ashford is located and there are no Castles or Keeps there, but close to the Honeywine there are already quite a lot of them.
Great video. I've never thought much about the geography of the land before, but the maps helped me grasp it
All the changes make sense to me
As a fellow geography and asoiaf fan I absolutely loved the video! The video is extreamly in depth and well researched, and brings up a lot of intresting points about how the hammer would affect the geography. I wonder if George planned all this or we as the fandom is just looking into the series way to deep😂
The only problem I have with the video are the peninsulas pre-hammer. They are all really bulky at the end and narrow in the middle which is fairly uncommon in our world. It is more likely they were oval or pointy even thought some of them may have been narrow and pointy.
Despite my complaint I think the video is fantastic and you definantly earned a sub from me.
PS: The map edits are definantly not rough, they look great.
Visually I have more stuff that looks somewhat off, not only the peninsulas. In the end, I just said the maesters don't have accurate maps, otherwise I would still be mad over maps 😂
As for how deep we get into things, this is what 12 years without a book does to a person. Glad you enjoyed the vid!
@@CompanyOfTheCatAgreed, the Maps are not super precise. We should attribute this to the Grand Maester Conspiracy aswell. They have apparently already killed the dragons and caused Roberts Rebellion so why not sabotage the maps to so only the Citadell knows the true in-depth geography and to piss us geography nerds of😂
Love your content, thank you, keep it up!
I love your accent and enjoy your new look at a song of ice and fire.
This is so cool
Great vid! 😊
Love It!!!!
Yes!
Am I wrong, or does all this have to do with the moon? The text keeps making references to pulling down the moon. I know one moon exploded, but what if the other moon is too close in its orbit, causing major flooding and tidal waves? it seems that the Narrow Sea wasn't always there. If you look at the US, there are two mountain ranges and valley in between. If the polar caps melted or the moon flooded the world, there would be a narrow sea where the great plains are now.
Funnily enough, I said something similar to my horns video! I think that the horns, take power from the moon and if indeed the hammer of the waters was a horn then it fits magically too.
Are you aware of any theories comparing westeros to Antarctica?
In particular the idea that Antarctica became a cold climate due to the land bridge connecting it to the Americas broke away and the new water currents changed the temperature.
Side note: doggerland would be a better real world example with westeros representing Britain but the climate change aspect seems important if the long cold was a direct result of the hammer of the waters.
The change of the currents for sure messed up the climate in many places (some are extremely cold and others turned into deserts). That being said the seasons and how much they last it's more than just that, GRRM has said that there is a magical explanation along with everything and I think that the Wall is messing with the seasons too tbh, it's a huge magical ice barrier.
I have a fairly odd theory about the CotF. Before I elaborate...
We have a fairly interesting view of the CotF. We tend to see them as a monolith. But as I was reading I realized something that seemed odd to me. There are no myth and legends told in the voice of the CotF. We are led to believe that during the AoH the First Men and CotF exchange at the very least religion. The story about the Pact talks about heroes and chiefs from both sides. So, why do we have no myth or legend that is exclusively CotF? No myths about a First Men hero fighting with or against CotF. How do you share religion without at the very least having a memory of the CotF individual(s) who first taught them?
I do have an answer and I think jt explains a lot about why Bran is what he is. My question for the moment. If the First Men are believed to have bred with the CotF, can we assume the reverse was possible? Further, given 8k years of history, what would you expect a group of CotF to look like 8k years later? Even if they originally looked like the people in the cave with Bran, how long would you expect their partially human descendants could maintain that appearance?
Sire, a second hammer has hit Moat Calin
Good sire of course I remember.
I don't think the coastline change that much bc of this one, since there wasn't complete drowning and there wasn't a change in the currents either. The biggest change I think is the terrain there, which up until the Moat Cailin event was a normal forest, I believe.
What if the land bridge between Essos and Westeros was Y shaped so both Dorne and Stromlands connected to same land bridge, the First Men would have no reason to have Dorne as their first stop in Westeros, they would start colonising the continent from the Stromlands
It could be I guess, not that it couldn't make that big of a difference, in both instances there is a very easy passage to the Stormlands.
The reason I didn't put land there is that
1) The maps are kinda theoretical in many ways
2) they are talking about salt marshes between Dorne and the Stormland so I am guessing the sea level was kinda higher over there and there aren't any islands north of the Stepstones.
Finally! It's all coming together 😂
Do we know for sure that the Manderly sigil even existed before they moved to the mouth of the White Knife River?
We do not know 100%, but considering New Castle is a replica of Dunstonbury, I would say that it is their original sigil. The name Merman's Court along with this amount of sea-related stuff, makes sense for the sigil to be the original and for the castle to be located in the Mander estuary, plus it's a direct parallel to their current job and position, guarding the river from and the port from sea attacks.