M.A. Numminen sings Wittgenstein

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  • čas přidán 19. 02. 2007
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Komentáře • 165

  • @marceibel1131
    @marceibel1131 Před 4 lety +18

    A real artist. Without any irony.

  • @zsylvana
    @zsylvana Před 15 lety +30

    One of the great Tenors of our time!M.A have a timber voice that is a pleasure for our souls!May he soon came back to Gothenburg again and give us joy!

  • @broncobullfrog476
    @broncobullfrog476 Před 6 lety +42

    If there is at least one single video on youtube that remains after our downfall - it should be this!

  • @Zarniwooper
    @Zarniwooper Před 6 měsíci +3

    RIP Pedro

  • @ChristianEditVideos
    @ChristianEditVideos Před měsícem +1

    The voice of angels.

  • @masterkiller7254
    @masterkiller7254 Před 9 lety +160

    To those of you asking "WTF?", try to see the big picture in this video.
    -Firstly we have the last proposition from Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus repeated over and over again. There is a lot more to the book than that, all the other six theorems, their subtheorems and their subtheorems. Yet we have only the last one in this song. We also have a choir repeating it, not just Numminen himself.
    -Secondly he (and the pianist as well, but that is pretty normal for them) is dressed in a tailcoat, which, atleast in Finland, is worn during the presentation of one's doctoral thesis by the upcoming doctor, their opponent(s) and their supervisor. Thus the tailcoat is somewhat a symbol of sophistication.
    -Third thing to notice is that the pianist does not play but just turns pages. It is almost as if he did not understand what he was reading.
    What should be our conclusion? We have someone, who is part of the intellectual elite, reciting proposition 7 after the choir. This is like it was after Wittgenstein had published his work, it was deep, so, to appear intelligent, one had to have read the book. Those who had not understood Tractatus, kept repeating the last proposition to show others they had. That's the choir, that's the pianist too. He just skips everything to get to the last page. To be part of the intellectuals, Numminen joins the choir when it is his turn to speak.
    That's my interpretation of this video.

    • @selfishlucas
      @selfishlucas Před 7 lety +7

      This video is only a bit of a larger suite. More context and music: www.ubu.com/sound/numminen.html

    • @nocomments4902
      @nocomments4902 Před 5 lety +2

      Si, but perhaps it's the most fundamental one.

    • @Shmynkellbonkenstein
      @Shmynkellbonkenstein Před 5 lety +2

      When you talk about it like that, it’s almost existential, even

    • @mohammadalavi8848
      @mohammadalavi8848 Před 5 lety +2

      @@selfishlucas thank you soooo much for this

    • @MartinT50
      @MartinT50 Před 4 lety +2

      I recall reading that Wittgenstein, talking to a friend who could not understand the Tractatus, suggested that he just read the introduction and the last few pages. That, of course, is fairly easy to understand.
      But the irony is that quoting just the very last line out of context, it is liable to be misunderstood.

  • @mattgilbert7347
    @mattgilbert7347 Před 6 lety +4

    "Shut the fuck up, Donnie!"
    -The Big Lebowski
    (A deeply Wittgensteinian film)

  • @scholion
    @scholion Před 10 lety +19

    He's unique ..and needed.

  • @danielkarlsson1107
    @danielkarlsson1107 Před 5 lety +18

    I like to think Wittgenstein would have found this to be awesome, had he ever experienced it.

  • @TKDWolf
    @TKDWolf Před 17 lety +12

    wow, I wasn't expecting that voice.

  • @zsylvana
    @zsylvana Před 16 lety +10

    One of the great TENORS of our Time!!

    • @tonedeafsinger3936
      @tonedeafsinger3936 Před 3 lety +2

      Indeed, much better than Kaufman or Flórez. He is whining on purpose, they just because don't know anything better.

  • @Jaakk0S
    @Jaakk0S Před 14 lety +29

    I love Wittgenstein as I love Numminen's parody of the intellectual elitism around Wittgenstein after his death by people who quote his great one-liners without any real understanding of his philosophy apart from those. Numminen here is the "serious intellectual" in all proper upper-class setup.
    Wittgenstein is a super-legend but really understood by not so many.

  • @theyangist
    @theyangist Před 15 lety +6

    That is the only song that needs to be sung.

  • @iglooworkshop
    @iglooworkshop Před 16 lety +6

    This is by far the best song I know at the moment! It is sooo good. MA Numminen is a genius!

  • @khtervola
    @khtervola Před 15 lety +12

    The Finnish culture says that all things should to be observed by one's own eyes and heart. Just memorizing what others have said is thin, without spirit, almost better left undone - thus the singing style which is disrespectful toward the highly respected theory but gives room to Your own perceptions about life.

  • @marguskiis7711
    @marguskiis7711 Před 7 lety +39

    I like the piano work.

    • @mv_5878
      @mv_5878 Před 6 lety +12

      It's very minimalistic.

    • @1wiesehoefer1
      @1wiesehoefer1 Před 3 lety +2

      I play similar 😎

    • @tomt5745
      @tomt5745 Před 3 měsíci +1

      He understands the meaning of the proposition put forward in the song.
      :)

  • @EneriGiilaan
    @EneriGiilaan Před 4 lety +3

    Happy 80th Birthday MAN - still going strong 2020!

  • @lazydogmic
    @lazydogmic Před 17 lety +3

    haha great.
    se him live when i was kid , some 30 years ago in sweden,liked him ever since

  • @omenoid
    @omenoid Před 17 lety +3

    This is one of my favorites from Mr. Numminen.

  • @EmersonsL100
    @EmersonsL100 Před 12 lety +3

    You have just realised that the pianist doesn't play anything, he just turns the pages.

  • @asaisabella
    @asaisabella Před 12 lety +7

    Like with most smart art it´s good to have some knowledge about the artist. M.A. has been one of my very few "idols" since I was a child. Some think he´s a joke... and he make me happy but the man is a genious. With a big help from Pedro. Get to know him!

  • @CHAOTYROOVY
    @CHAOTYROOVY Před 15 lety +2

    einfach nur genial!!!
    hat schon tage gegeben an denen ich datt den ganzen tag gesungen hab :)

  • @stoerenungeheuer543
    @stoerenungeheuer543 Před 11 měsíci +1

    Exzellent.

  • @gwz
    @gwz Před 15 lety +12

    Numminen and Wittgenstein, a match made in heaven.

    • @Losrandir
      @Losrandir Před 3 lety +1

      Or in Hell. Either way, nice

  • @muskatmagda
    @muskatmagda Před 15 lety +2

    das bringt alles auf den punkt!!!!!

  • @Ninotchka1973
    @Ninotchka1973 Před 15 lety +3

    Finlands's performance in the Eurovision Song Contest 2009

  • @jarikuukasjarvi8198
    @jarikuukasjarvi8198 Před 3 lety +2

    Järisyttävää, amazing och underbart

  • @lechevalierdesmots2979
    @lechevalierdesmots2979 Před 7 lety +26

    I posted this video to British Wittgenstein Society's FB and been kicked out by moderator Prof Constantine ;-) I think they should change the name of the BWS to CWS ;-) Bebe Ludwig sings this to shut up Slum LandLords mouth ;-)

    • @MrSorbias
      @MrSorbias Před 7 lety +2

      I think they have already seen pasted it there too many times.

    • @jasondavis808
      @jasondavis808 Před 5 lety +1

      I did it too.

  • @KNGKZM
    @KNGKZM Před 13 lety +2

    genial. das video, die musik, einfach alles

  • @HANK77
    @HANK77 Před 3 lety +2

    Numminen on keisari.

  • @Tileck
    @Tileck Před 16 lety +3

    Great stuff! Numminen is the best.

  • @itsmistersmoke
    @itsmistersmoke Před 12 lety +2

    Dat serious face.

  • @tonedeafsinger3936
    @tonedeafsinger3936 Před 2 lety +4

    This is a piece that enlights me every single time, regardless whether it rains or not. Eventhough it's a short piece with a few words it still makes a strong statement. L. Wittgenstein was considered as a major western phillosopher of 20th century and the sentence here was his final outcome of Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus. The very last sentence. However, this song makes it even more meaningful or totally meaningless, it's up to you.

  • @verloc
    @verloc Před 17 lety +4

    Absolutely fantastic. Numminen did a whole album with pieces of wittgenstein in different musical styles. I think it's called Numminen sings Wittgenstein.

  • @ilesalmo7724
    @ilesalmo7724 Před 4 lety +3

    Yes. That is his real singing-voice unaltered if anyone is asking. And that's why he is popular

    • @MrSorbias
      @MrSorbias Před 3 lety

      When they were starting their band, he forget his drum and pianist said "you can sing then". Being stressed, Numminen invented accidentally this singing voice and later he made it on purpose. I think he can sing in normal way also.

  • @broncobullfrog476
    @broncobullfrog476 Před 6 lety +2

    Genial!

  • @j.e.hernandez9721
    @j.e.hernandez9721 Před 5 lety +2

    Great

  • @PEPEDEBARRO
    @PEPEDEBARRO Před 14 lety

    Wovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man singen!

  • @Lazarush86
    @Lazarush86 Před 16 lety +3

    This is just so.. Charismatic :D Even tho, it surprised me a lot how he made his sound like, but actually. Like it a lot ;)

  • @uusiJurpo007
    @uusiJurpo007 Před 11 lety +2

    Great!

  • @AnalogCzar
    @AnalogCzar Před 13 lety +3

    Bang up job by Pedro @ the piano!

  • @jvstAsYouAre
    @jvstAsYouAre Před 2 lety +3

    Why is my dad upsessed with this song lmao?

  • @cqueberel
    @cqueberel Před 17 lety

    they are singing "of that what one cannot talk of, one has to remain silent"

  • @spoilednose
    @spoilednose Před 13 lety

    I LOVE IT! thanks for this!!!

  • @sillilaari
    @sillilaari Před 11 lety +9

    I could also play this with piano. Seems easy enough.

  • @omannomann
    @omannomann Před 4 lety +5

    Vielen würde gut zu Gesicht stehen, dieses Motto oft zu beherzigen!

  • @Movielunatic
    @Movielunatic Před 14 lety

    Singing beautiful art!

  • @Pakanahymni
    @Pakanahymni Před 13 lety +3

    @Ptrrrrrrrr
    Wittgenstein was a moral philosopher and a predicate logicist. M. A. Numminen is a Finnish artist. What did you miss?

  • @joeyvanderkaay
    @joeyvanderkaay Před 13 lety

    i like it... new discovery for me

  • @linnanvouti7910
    @linnanvouti7910 Před 8 lety +10

    Strange that so many people can miss the one obvious point of this song (although as a
    philosophy quote it may have many points).
    “Wovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muss man schweigen” (what cannot be spoken of, people
    must be silent about” -my interpretation)
    To combine this with nazi type military march, we are reminded that any philosophical argument
    can be misused if accepted as an absolute truth by lesser minds and written to
    a flag.
    The singing style of M.A. Numminen is carefully planned. One heading that is comes under is
    “uusrahvaanomaisuus”, hard to translate but maybe neosimplicism with some carnevalism
    would be close. Listen to him more. His art makes you think and is loaded with sophisticated humor at the same time.

    • @lechevalierdesmots2979
      @lechevalierdesmots2979 Před 7 lety

      Bebe Ludwig sings this against Slum LandLords ;-)
      See my FB facebook.com/groups/1587725144778017/?ref=bookmarks

    • @timomastosalo
      @timomastosalo Před 6 lety

      That 'rahvaanomaisuus' would be 'folk-like', in simpler English.
      So uusrahvaanomaisuus might be neopopulism, except that populism is already quite an occupied definition.
      But I could imagine M A N had that on his mind, when coining his term :)

  • @LaylaVaughan
    @LaylaVaughan Před 12 lety

    I think I'll pass over this in silence.

  • @kristianyrjola
    @kristianyrjola Před rokem

    Danke dafür!!!

  • @hennoxxx
    @hennoxxx Před 7 měsíci

    Genius....

  • @foxdragoon84
    @foxdragoon84 Před 17 lety

    Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent.

  • @vonhausausgabber
    @vonhausausgabber Před 14 lety +2

    Hammer wie geil ist das denn bitte!! Gleich mal volle 5 Punkte! Diese Interpretation wäre bestimmt voll im Sinne Wittgensteins gewesen. Aber davon kann ich nicht sinnvoll sprechen, also muss ich drüber schweigen.

  • @jussix48
    @jussix48 Před 11 lety +25

    Kyllä se on niin, että kaikki maailman nerous huipentuu tähän esitykseen, itse Isä Jumalakin vaikenee tällaisen edessä...!

    • @timomastosalo
      @timomastosalo Před 6 lety +1

      Eihän totuus koskaan vaikene. Kivetkin kirkuu hänen ääntään.
      Hänen hiljaisuutensakin on täynnä merkityksiä.
      Joko on on muuten vastannu?

  • @kampvzw
    @kampvzw Před 16 lety

    best ever

  • @duffman2121
    @duffman2121 Před 14 lety

    Löytyy tuubista, kokeilehan! Aivan mahtava!

  • @AndreasBrink
    @AndreasBrink Před 14 lety

    There's a documentary film about M. A. Numminen in the making, you can see the trailer here on CZcams.

  • @sejdaren
    @sejdaren Před 14 lety

    brilliant

  • @Smultronungen
    @Smultronungen Před 15 lety +3

    Haha, wtf??
    What a beautiful voice xD

  • @haba3000
    @haba3000 Před 15 lety +2

    Kyllä se Pedrolta näyttää mun mielestä näyttää.

  • @tonitsi78
    @tonitsi78 Před 14 lety +2

    "Mistä ei voi puhua, siitä täytyy vaieta"... ilmankos pianisti ei soita lainkaan :)

  • @Ptrrrrrrrr
    @Ptrrrrrrrr Před 13 lety

    @Jaakk0S Thanks for sorta explaining what this song is about. I had no clue. I am only familiar with Wittgenstein as a student of philosophy.

  • @ari1234a
    @ari1234a Před 13 lety +2

    @Ptrrrrrrrr I dont understand german language so that part goes over my head...
    But i do know M A Numminen, and He has great sense of humor.
    Just take this, as these random videos You stumble on You Tube.

  • @aq2finland
    @aq2finland Před 13 lety

    Numminen PERKELE!

  • @duffman2121
    @duffman2121 Před 14 lety +1

    Ei näitä VOI vertailla keskenään, kaikki omalla tavallaan nerokkaan mahtavia! Omat ehdottomat suosikkini ovat mm. "Munat jäi vetoketjun väliin" ja "Laulu jossa on tunnelma"! Kannattaa kuunnella!

  • @onearthonelegion
    @onearthonelegion Před 2 lety +2

    I gave thumbs up to this to appear intellectual

  • @MTinakari
    @MTinakari Před 14 lety +1

    @Tigeraquaonvoimakone
    M.A. Numminen on ehkä hienoin ruotsalainen suomalainen viroa ja saksaa ja suomea ja ruotsia laulava artisti.

  • @SlaktadOchStolt
    @SlaktadOchStolt Před 11 lety

    you're the serious intellectual

  • @lukenukem23
    @lukenukem23 Před 12 lety +2

    Oh god. I'm on the weird side of youtube again.

  • @auffenpuffer
    @auffenpuffer Před 14 lety

    @xjuhox
    Line is from Tractatus logico-philosophicus by Wittgenstein.
    "Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be quit".
    Meaning that some sentences appear to be correctly formed by their syntax, yet lack any meaning. Such propositions should not be stated at all, as they cannot give rise to meaningful discussion (ie. their truth value cannot be determined).

  • @spoilednose
    @spoilednose Před 13 lety

    delicious!!!

  • @Waalleh
    @Waalleh Před 11 lety

    wounder full song! Makes me cry! :D haha

  • @treinik
    @treinik Před 15 lety

    Finnish music at its best....

  • @TheLisergicQueen
    @TheLisergicQueen Před 9 lety +1

    Strange thing, i must admit, put in music the wittgenstein propositions...the result sound to me like..uhm, this: "Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent” ;)

  • @Atomiumonamour
    @Atomiumonamour Před 15 lety

    Yes, there is. I've got a copy dedicated by Numminen to the civil name of Marathon-du-Médoc-participant and cartoonist Tex Rubinowitz. If anyone cares.

  • @Sokrateles
    @Sokrateles Před 13 lety

    Wittgenstein-Klasik-Blues.

  • @Sergoath
    @Sergoath Před 17 lety

    M.A. ja Pedro ovat...kovia!

  • @Tiiliskivimurhaaja
    @Tiiliskivimurhaaja Před 12 lety

    SUOMIIIIIIIIIIIII!!! PERKELE

  • @thepataphysical
    @thepataphysical Před 10 měsíci

    He’s an Andy Kaufman fan.

  • @jegres1892
    @jegres1892 Před 14 lety

    hahha geil

  • @alitllebitemo
    @alitllebitemo Před 13 lety +3

    Still better than Bieber.

  • @soofum
    @soofum Před 10 lety

    weiß irgendwer, ob es da auch eine ländere version gibt? bitte hilfe.

  • @Funkymushroom123
    @Funkymushroom123 Před 17 lety

    Yeah relly beatiful :DDDD. it so obvious

  • @juu2995
    @juu2995 Před 5 měsíci

    Persereikä!!!

  • @Sokrateles
    @Sokrateles Před 16 lety

    Nette Satire im volkstümlichen Stil. Klingt wie eine Synthese aus Kurt Weill und dem Wildschütz Jennerwein.

  • @BedBugAcres
    @BedBugAcres Před 12 lety

    You love Wittgenstein? LOVE???

  • @BedBugAcres
    @BedBugAcres Před 12 lety

    Is there anywhere else to be?

  • @gabriellucasviegas
    @gabriellucasviegas Před rokem

  • @Aivottaja
    @Aivottaja Před 14 lety

    @arschwurst11
    He is an avantgarde pioneer in Finland. He sings like that because..well, he wants to annoy people.

  • @Aivottaja
    @Aivottaja Před 14 lety

    Though I must mention that his antics as an underground performer shadow his numerous high culture achievements way too often. Singing like that is just a fraction of what he does.

  • @yzimsx
    @yzimsx Před 3 lety

    Wovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muss man ein Video machen

  • @fredrictengstrom9522
    @fredrictengstrom9522 Před 2 lety

    Hyvä Pä ivää Tampere yliopisto Jag skulle gärna hört Hr Witgenstein sjunga Ma Numinen I sometimes do Like Mr Jussi Björling almost

  • @Chesterton7
    @Chesterton7 Před 15 lety

    Would you kindly translate the lyrics-- many thanks in advance!

  • @Nora-wq1ud
    @Nora-wq1ud Před 2 lety

    Ulf sent me here

  • @tek216
    @tek216 Před 15 lety

    HAHAHA XD

  • @marguskiis7711
    @marguskiis7711 Před rokem

    I wonder Laibach never covered it.

  • @Chesterton7
    @Chesterton7 Před 15 lety

    correct. but zura's story is fun literary speculation, though!

  • @RD-170
    @RD-170 Před rokem +3

    I like how much this song mocks the pseudo-intellectuals that are drawn to and quote Wittgestein without actually understanding any of the philosophy.
    The pianist in the back doing absolutely nothing, just wanting to appear important, and the fact that they only repeat the most famous part of Logica-Philosophus, when it describes pseudo-intellectuals: ”Wovon mann nicht sprechen kann, darüber muss Mann schweigen” roughly translates to ”What cannot be spoken of, must be silenced on”. Pretty much meaning if you don’t know what you’re talking about, it’s best to not talk.