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Don’t forget bums who rip out cables for copper.
Just happened here in Seattle.
gypsums :D
Awwwe,so sad,never mind.lol.😂😂😂😂
These are not bums and they are not after the copper... They are (like me) only interested in messing with your mileage and messing with your precious EV addiction...
They do that with solar farms. So easy to steal.
Wow, such a great holiday. Spend all of your time trying to charge your stupid car. What a complete joke.
Now you know why Hertz dumped their fleet. But how on earth can drivers be comfortable knowing they are guzzling THAT much POWER - it's mind-boggling. I'd like to know what some factories could turn out with the amount of power consumed by a regular EV in a week - it really is unsustainable!
Bloody disaster mate!
@@iscadean3607 LOL. Where do you think the energy to charge those stupid things comes from? Do you think the rare earth elements that children in Africa are pulling out of the ground is a good thing. What happens when those batteries are dead? Take your climate cult bullshit somewhere else.
@@iscadean3607as against digging up millions of minerals and harming the planet? By the way nice to see the EV shrill again.
@@iscadean3607 We don't need "Saudi oil" and CO2 isn't "causing harm to the planet". Get smart.
Some people learn from others mistakes.
Some people learn from their own mistakes.
Some people never learn.
Some people are brainwashed until they are stupid, Some people evolve to become more stupid over time, Some people are just born stupid and will always be stupid. Such is the story of how people become left wing radical Democrats.
If we'd had electric cars exclusively for the last hundred years and then today someone invented gas and diesel engines it would be seen as a great leap forward in technology.
Double the range, short recharging times, no battery degradation, less weight.
That's a fantastic point.
It probably would be too, less toxic materials, less environmental damage given the amount of earth that has to be moved to find enough lithium to make ONE battery, no need for everyone to have their own refuelling point. less tyre and subsequently less road wear and tear and so on. You're bang on there. Brilliant post.
Conversely if electric had seen the trillions of R&D that ICE has enjoyed including all the bailouts.
Gasoline would be a niche.
Because electrics are less than 5 years away from 600+ mile vehicles.
Just think where electrics would be if they had the same amount of research and development put into it.
Hell we'd probably be flying around by now.
Comes down to cost in the end (and pollution). With battery swap you can change to a charged battery in about 3 minutes (will get faster and faster). You can manufacture a very cheap EV with a tiny battery for everyday use - swap in a huge battery for the weekend. That system is already in place in China. When an EV is half the price of an ICE car most buyers will choose the EV.
@@martina5328 Yes, when all of that happens EV's will be viable. Until then EV's are not viable for most people. I look forward to your predictions of the future. Let me know when it happens.
@@jonellison9832I wouldn't hold my breath waiting.
I fill up my vehicle in 5 mins, and I'm good for two weeks. No muss, no fuss.... Think I'd ever want an EV?! Not even if it was given to me!
I agree...the fuel in my 2009 Aurion lasts two weeks
If you only drive less than 50 km average per day like you seem to do, it is not much of a hassle to plug in your EV and have it topped up overnight at home. That is, if you have your own driveway of course... Otherwise you will have to hunt down a public charging point and suffer like the driver in this video. Having your EV topped up at home and never having to drive by any gas station is a luxury you get used too...
@@ttkddryUntil you work out the costs. 😉
@@ttkddrymust be fun for the kids knowing they’ll never go on road holidays or weekend day trips that involve more than the range of your vehicle.
@ttkddry charging is just one of many drawbacks. There's also range, weather, high insurance, horrible resale value, huge battery replacement costs, tire wear, and fires. To top it off, they're horrible for the environment.
Don't forget that the more you use a fast charger, the more it decreases the life span of your battery.
Exactly
Who cares owning an EV isn’t part of my plans but if I did fast charging has to be my first option as I can’t stand waiting a few mins for my ice car to fill up piss off the EV’s problem solved. 😁
And charging a battery fully reduces its life a lot quicker. Toyota hybrids only charge the battery to about half to expend its life.
@@foppo101 what is rubbish?
@@TheLittlered1961the claim that fast charging reduces battery life. It’s been disproven, like most of what MGUY blathers on about.
Using EA in California as representative is ridiculous. Look at the rest of the country or at Tesla. I’ve never waited at an EA station and never waited more than about 15 mins at a Tesla SuperCharger (at exactly one location, and they’ve since added another in that area). 28k miles of Tesla road trips, 5k on EA. I won’t go back to gas.
Don't forget the increased likelihood these days of being robbed, beaten, kidnapped, raped, or murdered when you linger too long at a "fueling" station, be it gasoline, diesel, or electric. The idea is to go when it's daylight with lots of people around, get your fuel quickly, and get the heck out of there. It's a real concern in American cities now, and it's spreading.
No you're wrong. To avoid the queues you need to go charge after 11pm or 6am as this guys was doing. The most "safe" times.
You're like the last turkey in the window when tethered to one of these chargers. Very vulnerable. There should be an emergency release button in the car so you can get away quickly
Yep, the States of America is dangerous and getting more dangerous as it becomes more divided on so many issues.
It has become necessary to avoid the gas stations after 10 or 11 PM...unless you are armed, which many are where I live.
At least EV's are less desirable as targets for carjacking.
Imagine spending an entire afternoon, evening, night and morning worrying, planning, driving around, just trying to charge a car... when you could simply spend five minutes at a gas station and then be trouble free for the next couple days
This is why ICE has been around for decades because - it f**ing works! A gas station is a place where drivers are not supposed to spend more than 15min in, assuming they just want top up gas and not buying stuff.
Imagine spending 10 seconds a day charging your car, and never having to go to a gas station ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@diecastb imagine having to pay 1.5x more for an EV compared to an ICE car and having to install an expensive charger to boot, for a vehicle that you won't be able to sell used because its value will be zero, as noone will want to buy a used EV, all while being limited to the pathetic range of your EV?
EV owners obsess about being EV owners and everything is subject to that. Buy an EV, must redesign your home with a charger... or if you take a trip, you must constantly plan and worry about charging in public spaces...
Imagine having an amazing driving car that fits all my daily driving needs with plenty range to spare, where I never have to take it to a gas station. And if I want to go on a long trip I'll take my gas car.
EVs are not a direct replacement for ICE cars in all situations, but in many they are better. Idiot channels like this that say "Never buy an EV, ever" can stick to his 200k, heavier than a Tesla, gas guzzling Maserati. I think it's a stupid idea, but whatever floats your boat.
@@skuripandaburns3489
Also, it costs 1.5x more, but also you can't sell them second hand because they are worth zero. I guess buy a second hand one? seems like a no brainier. lol
I'm not buying a new Model Y for that 1.5x reason, but I am waiting for this magical second hand cheap one. Currently they are 2 years old, and you can only get a second hand one about 5% less than new, but I hope you're right.@@skuripandaburns3489
Never let go of your I.C.E car , you will regret it.
Don't get me wrong, we have Hyundai EV's at work and I drive them often, and the drive really well, but privately I own a 36 year old car with 2 liter petrol engine and will never let go of it!
I've got an old Holden combo and an old Hyundai Getz... both are paid off and work well and are cheap to comprehensively insure... I'm keeping them going as long as I possibly can.
I believe the combo could possibly be converted to steam according to a video I watched so if they cut off my petrol I'm good.. 😅😅😅😢
As I just mentioned in my own comment, before the video I got a short ad for the new Mitsubishi Triton Athlete . . . diesel. As EVs come and go away, ICE is here to stay!
@@cathymadsen2930 That's the spirit! 🤣
@@maifantasia3650 Absolutely!
EV owners, pushing the price of electricity up until EV's become uncool again.
They are only cool to a very small group lol.....
@@iscadean3607 LOL
Australians bought two and a half times more electric vehicles in 2023 than the year prior - for a total close to 90,000 - amid the arrival of a wave of new, more affordable models.
This new record marker of 87,217 EV sales represents a 161 per cent increase over 2022 - almost 54,000 cars - and accounted for 7.2 per cent of total industry sales in what was an all-time record high of 1.217 million units across all types of new vehicles.
I can keep finding article after article that says the same.....
SO to be clear out of just over 1.2 cars sold LAST YEAR only just over 87k was an EV..... NOT 2 million like you claimed.....
@@iscadean3607 Going to lie some more?
@@iscadean3607 .... you do know your EV is a brick in the making with only an 8-10 year lifespan before its dead... right?
Why would anyone want to be a slave to the utility companies that have a monopoly and can charge what ever they want, when the petrol stations have multiple different brands and competitors that force them to be competitively priced?
And there's the affluent neighbor lady who puts the area in darkness whenever she hooks up to charge her piece of crap.Throws the breaker on the pole, and we're all out of it.
It never ceases to amaze me how stupid people who consider themselves educated and informed really are 😢
What a complete and utter joke EV’s are.
Yeah, an EV was the NUMBER ONE selling vehicle IN THE WORLD in 2023; what a funny joke. Join us in reality.
@@sdcoinshooterSo what?
@@sdcoinshooter
Get your hand off it mate, you must work for Tesla.
@@masteryoda498 Wow, what a reply, and nope, I don’t even like Teslas, but DO keep up these witty remarks, very entertaining.
@@sdcoinshooter Isn't it amazing when governments take away as much choice as they can, use your money to subsidize, and also mandate to car manufacturers what they can sell. Presto, EV is number one! When in fact we know that EVs are pure number 2.
When Covid started, CZcams soon took down every video that was this much in conflict with the Narrative.
Yes, but for some reason, there are now a ton of videos on CZcams actually telling the truth. I wonder what happened?
And they are still taking down what people say. cancelling is still being done.
@@geraldscott4302 Don't worry, Google itself is still censoring and changing definitions.
Yes, why doesn't this have a banner at the bottom of the video pointing to the government / media narratives. It really should be informing us about the importance of Net Zero.
Maybe Mguy hasn't hit the popularity threshold yet. If he gets enough subscribers, he'll start getting strikes/demonetized.
edit: Also, it seems like YT throttles channels more domestically than internationally. It may help if he is getting most of his views from Europe and North America while being in Australia.
it was interesting story of the guy who drove like 10 or 12 hours a day for uber and burned up his battery by charging at fast chargers twice a day in 100.000 miles his car was ruined and he was still paying for it. the car was only a year old.
Well this is what your looking at if you use an ev like a ice vehicle....
Like a normal.person would use a vehicle ....
With the depreciation dropping off a cliff at the end of a year or so your ev would be battling to be worth scrap value.....
If you want to throw thick bundles of 100 dollar notes out the window for each km or mile you drive....
Buy an ev ....
I business cars can be run 12 hours a day..
I'm in my 12th month driving an EV, the experience of this poor guy is genuine. 2 months ago I completely dropped the idea of using my EV other than going to work and charge it once a week (at work). I'm repairing a 12 years old 125k Kms smart for two I bought in 2018 to have a car over the weekends. EVs are an absolute nightmare, don't buy one if you don't have a dedicated charger at home or at work and you need a car for holidays or weekends. It's just ok to commute, nothing else. I'm outraged each time I hear a politician speaking about having everybody on an EV, this is impossible. Some days ago I listened to a guy on the radio, a representative of the Spanish car industry, speaking about pushing EVs and stopping ICE. When the journalist asked him what car he was driving, he answered"a plug-in hybrid"... Of course!
That's what happens when idiot politicians overrule smart engineers.
Politicians and lawyers lack basis logic and common sense. And yet they are ruling us!!!
I blame the voters who put the politicians in power.
Engineers aren't smart. They helped cause this problem. They have high student debt and will take any job that pays them
@@davidvanderklauwThat's why I don't vote.
@@davidvanderklauwsadly in the USA we don't have free elections we have rigged elections. just look at mr so called 81 million votes he was so so popular that shithead couldn't even get 100 people at one of his campaign events, but he "won" with the most votes in history.. EU/AU/NZ/CAN elections are the same ALL RIGGED
Why would any sane person put themselves through this? Oh, wait. A sane person wouldn't.
EV cultists are not sane people. .... think 1920's Karens against booze... or any church related grifting program
its all about money.... and they trick morons into the scam
Will Kerry have one? Briben family? Secret service?
😂 👍
Agreed!
Last time someone checked I was sane. Have owned an EV since 2019 and 98,000 km. Never had to wait for my car to charge on long hauls across Europe. A 30 minute stop to have lunch and use the bathroom is all the 'waiting' Ive ever done.
Imagine having somewhere to go, and time IS an issue. An unexpected out of town emergency or an illness that requires you to go to the next big city hospital.
My concern exactly. So phev would solve this issue.. Saves fuel cost and environment and handles long distance emergency no problem.
Imagine the utter waste of time that continually running around charging your vehicle up! Day in and day out taking time away from your family!! Utterly impractical at the best of times. Let alone when the grid barely can handle the current loads, let alone the 20 fold needs for everyone to be in EV’s by 2035. Plus the generation capacity needs a 30 fold increase, which is primarily coal generated in the USA. Imagine the pollution generated from this! Utterly ridiculous!
i am so sorry daughter I can't come to the play you are going to be in I have to spend 6 hours trying to charge the car and oh you and mommy will have to walk the 5 miles to the school and back for the play while I am charging.
yes daughter I know I am never home and always charging the car I am sorry my daughter but we are saving the planet this way.
What do you mean mommy has a friend over when I am out trying to charge the car?
Now imagine doing it WITH your family. The infant who won't stop crying. The toddler always getting into trouble. The whiny pre-teen. The moody teenager. All waiting in your car with YOU for hours.
In a society that is increasingly about speed and efficiency, they want the public to deal with this.
Speed and efficiency and all the other good things promoted by politicians?
Speed and efficiency in modern society equates to unreliability, it's good when it's working.
It’s worse than that, they DEMAND you deal with this.
It's soooo convenient to own an EV.....
80% of motorists in Britain don't have access to charging at home. It's a joke.
which makes the extent of the fraud even more obvious, climate narrative as a sales concept until no one believes the narrative anymore, destroying entire industries for quick money.
EV owner here fed up with dodgy chargers, going back to my 426 Hemi Charger.
😂🤣👍
I see Dodge themselves have launched actual Dodgy Chargers
Mopar rules.
What sort of EV? If you had a Tesla you'd know that 99.9% of their chargers are working.
@@yggdrasil9039 Except in Chicago when it's cold?
Wow... imagine during the summer heatwave... power cut off and no nuclear power station !! Australia already in real power shortage now!!
Not only that, but many of these chargers are state-funded. In other words, taxpayers pay to have them installed. But if you don't have an EV, then you pay for someone else's charging station. I even heard that some motels offer free charging for their customers. So why wouldn't I get a food voucher or some other freebie from the same motel if I did not drive an EV? Why is one group singled out for privilege?
Looking good for a car free locked up city life.
Don't encourage the nutters, drive diesel/ petrol.
🤣
that is clearly part of the plan yes, in the end like UK already proved in some test towns they want people to only leave their home for work and not drive anywhere for personal reasons
I’ve said this so many times over, providing examples such as in this video, and yet people still don’t get it. They are absolute morons.
'Where did you spend your holiday this year' ? - I was at the chargers outside Walmart.
Expect postcards will soon be printed showing instead of, say, a picture of the Grand Canyon, a shot of some smiling goofball covered in spider webs charging his EV.
I was at Costco in Avon, OH yesterday. I think they have at least 20 pumps. I pulled in behind a lady in a midsize suv. She hadcissues with her card at the pump. Pulled forward, her card worked on the next pump. I waited for that pump. That whole transaction took about 7-10 mins. Then I pulled my F150 up and got 20 gallons of gas. Which took 5 mins.
I'll keep my ICE fleet for now.
2017 F150, 2019 Escape, 2023 Charger Daytona, 2010 Harley Softail.
5-10 mins and you're good for 300+ miles per tank in the Escape and Charger, 600+ in the F150 (36 gallon tank, 22+ mpg highway at speeds at or below 75 mph).
EV's will never be superior.
Even the most stupid person realised that this would happen. But our political leaders didn’t have the sense to realise it.
@@jodargoofmaztica5071 That's it exactly. A free and independent society is anathema to a (democratic) socialist government.
@@jodargoofmaztica5071 Yep, and make as much money as they can along the way. Funny how absolutely everything that's better for us/the planet costs more isn't it?
Agree with you, dont people (incharge)realise what is happening in other countries, diesel powered chargers what a joke, soon outback of Australia will be an EV dumping ground
The whole thing makes so little sense, but then again, the last 4 years have made so little sense that it has become plainly obvious to anyone with a dose of common sense why it is all being done, and who it is being done to. ❤
It only makes sense to the people making alot of money from this farce.
This will only ever get worse as more EVs take to the road.
Thats not true in Norway
@@dps615do not comapre population density in Norway to Australia and Canada. You just have not many places to go.
@@dps615
Don't you remember the electricity prices in Norway a couple of years ago during the drought? That's to be expected when all eggs are put into one basket. It will surely happen again, especially as more EV eggs are loaded into that basket putting even more strain on the grid.
It's about limiting mobility.
Horrible stress,exploding costs ,abyssal depreciating value,cardiac attack....
The power of 5,000 homes in 1 charging station? Go green by consuming more energy, amirite?
And all of it is powered by burning coal, and always will be.
You should be a politician.
You are not consuming less energy by consuming fossil fuel.
but we have to pay more for the green fantasy approach. Leave me alone and let me drive my working car.@@martina5328
@@martina5328 "You are not consuming less energy by consuming fossil fuel."
We increase our safety, living standards and productivity by consuming more energy, not less. Thats why fossil fuel, particularly crude oil, has been such a boon for humanity.
I was told that I was being ridiculous when I pointed this problem out. Someone said you charge your car at night at home on off peak electricity, then you do all your driving. When you return home you plug in your car and run your house off it. When the battery is empty you charge it off peak. It was a 'win win' . Off peak will not exist when everybody is trying to charge up. You cannot magically run your house from the car battery. There are not enough hours in a day to charge your car at home. You may not be able to park outside your house or you live in a block of flats. Glad the truth is slowly sinking in. People will believe anything they are told by an authoritative source.
We didn’t believe them about taking experimental drugs either 😉💉💀🚙
No I would slightly disagree with you on " People will believe anything they are told by an authoritative source " I think it is most people will believe what they are told by the MSM or they will believe because they have no ability to think for themselves and they don't want to risk being " that person " If you don't take in what the MSM says as gospel, do have some ability to think for yourself ( maybe a trade background helps ) or really don't care what others think of you, then I think you have a chance of seeing the scam for what it is. I also think it is part of some larger picture to get rid of us plebs somehow to extend the world's finite resources for our betters.
Did I it hurt when you thought this up? The concept of using access EV battery storage capacity is not predicated on ONE EV providing power for ONE house! It is designed to utilise spare capacity from a multitude of EV’s connected via an intelligent grid network. It is a sound and smart engineering solution coming to a suburb near you soon…
Authoritative (Source)
adjective
Able to be trusted as being accurate or true; reliable.
@@edappi8172 Sadly people see the MSM as an authoritative source. Call yourself a doctor and put on a white coat and people will believe you. Thousands have lost their lives because of it. Propaganda works, that is why it is used.
If the line is that long, why does he think anywhere near by would be any different? Why would anyone want a EV?
Because most of us charge at home. You drive a gas car when you have to travel long at distance.
@@i6power30imagine owning a car that's so terrible, you're required to have a second, more reliable car.
@@kingarthur5110 Not if you have a PHEV. You save 90% of fuel for regular commute and in town trips, and don't have to deal with downside of EVs when travelling long distance.
@@i6power30 you know what else doesn't deal with the downsides of EVs? (Of which there are many) ICE vehicles.
@@kingarthur5110 PHEVs beats ICE vehicles for reducing 95% of emissions and fuel cost. I only visits gas stations twice a year. Saving both money and environment. And having only 1/5 of size of battery of similarly sized BEV. Truly best of the both worlds. No ICE vehicles are not as good as PHEVs, nor is BEVs.
Clown world who on earth would want an Ev !!
How did all of the car makers and rental companies not see all these fail points in the EV scheme and jump on board? It's mind boggling.
GM engineers saw it during the testing of the EV1 in the 1990s. Many of them retired and moved on, replaced with ideologues.
Exactly!
Because governments have mandated the change without proper debate.
They certainly did see them and things are not going exactly as planned, they were hoping people would get a lot deeper invested before it failed.
@@robertkubrick3738 Great comment, I think you're spot on.
If you own one of these "VEHICLES" your part of the problem 🤨
*you're
@@cubey thanks 😊
@@Bobby-uv1xfyou know you can edit the original comment right? You're welcome 😉
Great video , total madness ! The fact that people buy there useless things , bribed by tax breaks from a gov that constantly traps you …. Crazy people 😂
It's bribed with my tax money.
Where are my "70% of owners will charge at home" folks?
They will also be the first to deny that government will restrict, control electrical energy usage in the future.
The people who can afford a new car are obviously the people who can most afford an EV, so the question has to be, if 70% can charge at home then why aren't 70% of all new car sales EVs if they're so good?
Already saw this in California.
A confession, I’m not a very patient person ,I think I might need anger management classes if I was to ever own an EV.
Definitely a depressing situation.
It's only a matter of time before there's a new type of 'road rage,'...'charger rage.'
There have been stories here in the New England area of this very thing. People with RIvians "towing" other EV's out of spaces so they could charge.
@@thumperjdm It is already a thing. I live about a block from a charging station and go by constantly on my walks/bike rides. I have seen several people in shouting/shoving matches and have seen the police there breaking it up a few times as well. It is a gas station as well and know the employees and they say it happens almost every day.
Yeah I get peeved turning up to a gas station and there's a bit of a queue! I couldn't imagine life like that guy had crawling around scrounging for a charger. The last thing would want to do after getting to my accommodation late at night is to then go out again look to find place to fuel up my car (even if it were ICE).
YES...LIFE IS TOO SHORT AND PRECIOUS TO WASTE SO MUCH TIME WAITING AT EV CHARGING STATIONS.
I don't feel sorry for those EV owners, and than the fights about who was first to load their crap 🤣🤣🤣Never trust a government!
Never ever trust a government. Get rid of the damn politicians and hire people who know what they doing to do the job. (Former lawyer, now minister for science said .... )
@@iscadean3607 Continue enjoying your EV🤣🤣🤣
I feel sorry it only proves most of the population should not have voting rights but I still feel sorry I was behind an e-mustang just yesterday and was wondering if he understood now that he bought a suv that can't do half of what my 3" ground clearance sportscar can do because I have almost twice the range and it doesn't go down in winter
@@iscadean3607i enjoy my ev - it's just a bastard to peddle when the battery runs out.
@@iscadean3607i bet you also wear a face diaper where ever you go too.
The best part about waiting in a queue for charging is you have stay in the the queue because you wont have the range to try somewhere else and will freeze to death if it's winter because you can't have the heating on for the entire 4 hrs of queueing.
This is one of the reasons Hertz is getting rid of their evs, who would want to waste hours charging, waiting to charge or looking for chargers for their rental car while on holidays
You're mad if you buy an EV and don't have charging at home, this is ridiculous.
Not everybody has a driveway or garage....
Many homes Cannot have chargers at home... Flats for instance.. Many house in the UK only have on street parking as the house has NO drive and no front garden, or gargae etc....So the only option is Public chargers or if they are lucky they may be able to charge at work... But hell the EV nutjobs will still Push for EV's saying they are the best thing ever... YEAH WHATEVER...
How many kids still have their battery powered toys after 1 month?
Your mad if you by an EV that is powered by a fossil fuel power station.
ok... if it uses power of 100 homes to charge. and you have a home charger you need a 400.000 amp service line coming in🤔?
Road trip holidays will become a nostalgic relic in the EV future.
These owners can never explore back roads and anywhere off the beaten path.
Coach holidays are a thing of the past too and that's not a bad thing 😂
On a positive note, EV theft shouldn't be a big problem. The thief wouldn't get far without a charge and should be easy to find😊.
No charging stations. What an epiphany
Just think if it was a minus temperature outside. The guy said everything was closed so you would have to sit in your EV for hours in the freezing cold waiting for your milk float to charge.😅
Plus everybody would have to try preconditioning their car which drains the already low battery quite fast
Rather than freeze, you could use the heaters but you would probably find at the end of the night you still don't have enough charge to go home .. 😂
Cold temperatures waiting to charge...turn on heater...another couple hundred watts less per min of batteries 😂 don't make it to the charger😮
Range and charge anxiety! Charge rage will be the next thing!
I can't even handle waiting in line for 5 minutes to put petrol in my car. I'll just drive to the next servo and pay extra if I have to. THERE IS NO WAY ON EARTH I WOULD TOLERATE WAITING FOR HOURS TO CHARGE MY CAR WHILE ON THE ROAD! NEVER GONNA HAPPEN!!
4 years running an EV van for work, in that time max wait for a charger was 5 or 6 mins, and only had to wait 2 or 3 times. a few times I see the chargers are in use, but as I've planned for that I simply roll on by and stop at the next set up the road and charge there.
I recently on weekend went to costco in Canberra and was staing in the queue 15 minutes. I was blaming and was saying. No more, no more go to costco on weekend. I was 15 minutes saying to myself go on weekdays. Do not go on weekend. This was 15 minutes wait. I can't imagine spending 1h to gat 50%.
It is already a thing. I live about a block from a charging station and go by constantly on my walks/bike rides. I have seen several people in shouting/shoving matches and have seen the police there breaking it up a few times as well. It is a gas station as well and know the employees and they say it happens almost every day.
@@stuinNorway If you're in Norway it's a different situation as the country has invested in it big time and more or less demonised ICE cars. You're also a small population mostly living in one area of the country and travel longer journeys by train, especially if you're going North. Totally different scenario over here in the UK, US and most other countries.
Incidentally, as luck has it we don't have to plan anything with an ICE car, we can stop and fill up anywhere. Most of us don't mind waiting a couple of minutes for a pump and most of the time there's no waiting at all especially if you avoid the busy periods. Having to plan your trip is just one more time consuming job to do, and will be confusing for older drivers.
I also will never join the stupid queues at petrol stations where the price is randomly lower than anywhere else. In the long run it will make not one bit of difference to my bottom line.
Charging Stations will become a criminal’s paradise! Perhaps armed guards could be stationed at each location to lessen the danger of sitting for 30 minutes to 2 hours waiting for a charge up. Wonder how much you’ll have to tip them to keep you safe!?!?
But Albanese said we can charge with our solar panels overnight... no problems.
The only thing green it the future they are pushing are the bloody lights they use on the charger
What else can you expect while politicians are allowed to make decisions?
@@iscadean3607nothing green about energy that takes up food production, poisons the ground, heats up the oceans. Nuclear is better.
Three km per hour on a wall charger?1?? F#CK THAT!
I could just about do my commuting to work and back with that charging only at home. If I had to go anywhere else I would be screwed.
Just be a bit patient it’s only about a week 24 / 7 to charge the battery😂
@@iscadean3607 The video lied...On Video? The video footage featured of the guy who actually likes BEV? Who traveled to another country to review the BEV? It's all lies? Someone is lying here.
@@iscadean3607- Nonsense
What you described is Not likely for 90% of the population
@@Pentti_Hilkuri that's their end goal we are heading full speed to 1984 dystopia you will only be able to go to work else stay in your cube
Video material suggestion... You have started to make excellent points. What is at the heart of the problem? Concepts... Two main concepts at play here. Fuel vs grid
1) It can take a year to make Ethanol or It can take a 2-3 months to make oil fuels, but nobody cares how long it takes at the factory or plant. To grow wheat for bread takes all season, but do we care? NO! You walk into the grocery store and buy the bread and walk out. This concept is NOT about cars, but how the world works. Time is money. We buy things from other people to SAVE time...
You drive into the fuel station, and fill up with 67.4 kwh (2 gallons gasoline, 7.57 liters), which is the typical charge of an EV. You do it at a rate of 20,220 kw (10 gal/min of petrol - gasoline) in 12 seconds. (67.4 kwh /20220 kw x 60 x 60 = 12 seconds).
A combustion car that got the SAME economy (coming soon...) as an EV would take just 12 seconds to fill up.
An old ICE car uses ~5x more energy which means 1 minute vs 12 seconds for 10 gallons vs 2 gallons. But why only get 2 or 10 gallons of fuel? Get 20 to 60 and spend 120 to 360 seconds or 2 -6 minutes filling the car while you wash the window of bugs, grab some food or take a pee...
Remember, that 20 to 60 gallons took 1 years to make as Ethanol (1 season of corn), and several months as oil, but you don't care in the least how long. You only care about the price. If time is money, you pay for the time it takes to make the fuel so when you show up and fill up, the tank is full after you finish cleaning the window or taking a pee.
This is how a market economy works. MacDonalds does it this way. You drive up, order, grab the poison and drive off. They make the burgers in advance, let them sit under a heat lamp and you get your "burger" on the go. This is why stores have stocked shelves. This is what a grocery store does. It allows you to save TIME in exchange for cash (time).
2) EV...
A battery or capacitor could, in theory, charge up and dump the power into the car at 20,000 kw, the same as a gasoline, but the problem is the stupid battery. The battery is like baking bread, it takes time and is limited by the max current the battery can take. 68 kwh at 100 kw is 40.44 minutes (2,426 seconds), not 12 seconds.
A station could have massive battery or capacitor banks (mega $$$) that buffer the surge loads of cars into station, thus having the grid making a more constant power feed to the station, allowing surge loads and 20,000 kw charging, but at what cost? It does not matter as the car battery cannot handle the charge by a factor of 100x.
Why are batteries so slow? Because they are a chemical process with ions needing to find a "home" in a chemical bath of electrolytes.
Fuel making is a chemical process too. In theory, fuel making and charging could be about the same rate...slow. KEY point... Nobody care about the rare with fuel, but they do with charging.
A customer cannot drive up and grab quickly what fuel offers. They have to wait for the electrons to find a home as they charge. The CONCEPT of a battery is silly stupid at the core compared to fuel.
What is a battery anyways? The Lithium in a battery is about equal to 67.4 kwh and weighs about the same as fuel. Lithium is 11,972 wh/kg and Petrol/gasohol (E10) is 12, 094 wh/kg. The rest of a battery is a "process" device for Li-ions to migrate across the board and find a new home... A 1000 LB battery is basically 20 lbs of fuel and 980 lbs of process device.
In theory, if a car captured CO2 and water, it could have a "process divice" on board that turned the CO2 and water back into fuel ON THE CAR, just like a battery does. It would have a 2 gallon tank (67.4 kwh) and when you plugged the car in, it would make fuel overnight and you would have 2 gallons of fuel waiting to be used. The process device would take up about the same space as a battery and weigh about the same...980 LB. Follow?
But nobody would want a car with 980 LBs of fuel making on board. The fuel maker should be at home making fuel, waiting for you to "fill up" when you get home. It would also be silly stupid to have a 2 gallon tank, so 20 would be typical. You would fill up every ten days or when you get the urge, if you will. It would take 2 minutes to get 20 gallons and the good fuel maker can go back to doing what it does best...making fuel independent of YOUR time. A nice 300 gallon tank at home would allow fuel to be stored up all ready for you to fill up as needed, and would make you energy independent from a grid in Winter.
20 gallons of battery electricity would cost around $448k with PowerWalls at $666/kwh. (20 x 33.7 x $666/kwh = $448,884) and 300 gallons would cost $6.7 mil. A 300 gallon tank costs around $300...
The point is, a battery is a silly stupid concept for a car, house, airplane, or anything that can use fuels and combustion. Time is money. Nobody cares how long it takes to make the fuel, but they do care how long it takes to make the battery "fuel" in the car. The processor, whether a fuel maker or battery, should be left at home/plant, and NOT be on the vehicle.
Yes, this was all known in 1990 when my old boss invented modern EVs. Elon failed to grasp this simple concept of processor. Any engineer worth anything should be able to understand the value of time.
In fact the entire economy understands time and is based on it. That is why we let farmers grow food, and car makers make cars...TIME.
Everything is about time. Time is the "fire in which we burn." "Time is money." People don't have time to waste on electron process and batteries are process devices. FAIL.
Looked like the ques were blocking off a lot of parking spaces needed by the stores customers. Just what every business owner wants, less parking
Politicians have always been ever so slightly sh!t at sums.
Onwards and downwards.
I will NEVER buy an EV unless there are technological revolutions in battery, charging and generation technologies.
Rubbish! If you had the money you would be down the showroom as if your life dependant on it. You will then be on the forums saying how great your EV is.
there wont be or it would have happened already
@jaysdood You will NEVER be able to change Ohm's law !!!!!
@@OfflineSetupI'd sooner walk barefoot than buy an EV.
@@OfflineSetupLove the sarcasm there.👏👏
It felt like a weird dystopian version of cuba except lining up for a charging station instead of bread rations.
They dont want you to travel anymore...which will wreck havoc with the tourist industry, at the very least.
My closest EV charge point...
5 miles from home.
There's 2 charge points.
1 of the charge points has been covered and out of order for the last 2 years!
Speaking to the petrol station person. She tells me there's suppose to be 8 charge points. 6 were never installed. Due to grid limitations.
They no longer report the out of order unit, it's been reported several times and now it's a waste of time, they know, they haven't bothered.
The EV queues are 4 to 6 deep.
I've filled up, seen someone waiting, been to work, come back, topped up with diesel and they are still waiting 6 hours later!
Wish I could waste my life like that. Time is money when you are self employed.
I like - Wish I could waste my life like that.
Closest charge point can be in your driveway / garage. Just saying. Saves time money, and gas money.
Time is money even when you aren't self-employed. Only morons don't count the time they waste sitting around doing nothing while their car charges as a cost.
@@diecastb around 40% of uk homes dont have a driveway or dedicated parking.
so 60% do. That doesn't line up with channels like this that say outright "never buy an EV, ever". If 60% of people can charge at home, and 10% of the remaining driveway-less 40% get EVs, then public charging station usage drops probably 90% compared to gas stations.
EV's are not an outright replacement for gas cars in all situations, but in a lot of situation they have advantages. And the percent where they do will only increase with better and cheaper batteries.
@@sahhull
Make sure you have at least 70 percent charge in your battery then look for public charging stations. 😂
Remember, EV manufactures recommend not charging past 80% to extend life battery paradigm.
@@stanmarks3950 Or under 10%.
@@stanmarks3950The Latest LFP battery can go to 100% without issue.
@@Graeme_LastnameIt can also handle near flat for the latest LFP battery , but like an ICE car do not let the fuel run completely out as that too is problematic.
@@raypalmer7733 Not really. It's just not as bad for them as lithium ion which shit the bed fast with a steady diet of 100%.
Carbon feeds the plants that feed everything ,
This reminds me of a vicious circle that takes place in life for many reasons. Many years ago I was at a seminar where we were talking about protocols for capturing refrigerant and not allowing it to be vented into the atmosphere. I raised the point of customers bringing their vehicles back for repair only when the system had already stopped cooling. Which by this time, the refrigerant had already been vented into the atmosphere due to a leak, so that refrigerant is not playing by the rules. Here we have the conundrum of electricity which never plays by the rules,. These high output chargers cant deliver this rating when many are in use simultaneously, plus there is a constant queue as well; so you wait for a charger but its now at a reduced charging output as well, so you wait even more for the reduced output. Then there is the dilemma of shortened battery life due to fast charging and the exorbitant replacement price of the batteries as well owners will have to foot. The landscape of the future is going to be littered with all these dead EVs in the near future that are worthless, we see its already happening in China.
Nothing says looser more than owning an EV 😂
* loser
Driving a EV does NOT attract women 😂
@@vanzell1912 most of these soy-infused "men" are not interested in women...
@@vanzell1912 woman usually like active sperm.
🤣
I read this morning a report that the Issa brothers (owners of Asda) are ordering that EV public charging points are to be ripped out of the forecourts of many of their supermarkets.
There are a few others in the UK doing similar some Sainsbury stores have removed their chargers.
@@bentullett6068 Same with some Tescos too... The nearest one too US is have theirs removed(Already been shut down with the notice on) And they are the only Public chargers for within 20miles of all directions of it too.... Such a shame (NOT)....
Why remove them? Thank you, 2001 Subaru driver 😊
Interesting. I'm curious to know what their reasoning is though. Maybe unprofitable? That's usually what it comes down to, but if they already have the infrastructure in place - which most likely hasn't yet recovered its installation costs - there must be a compelling reason.
@@melissasmess2773 wasted parking spaces others can use.... As well as possibe hdden costs the supermarket has to pay etc.
I have never seen a car charging at my local Wal-Mart, and I drive by near every day.
And that's with single figure % of electric, it only gets worse from here on..!
Images if you were on vacation and rented a EV. You would spend your whole vacation trying to get a charge. Ridiculous.
That's part of joy EV owners get kicks out showing off their planning abilities in charging logistics.
I experienced a similar situation long before EV's. In the late 80's I went on a family cruise through the Hawaiian Islands. We'd sail through the night and make port early in the morning. Then my BIW and I would run out into town to rent cars. We'd get back to the dock about 0930. Drive out for a few frenzied hours of trying to see the sights, then around 1500 we'd start the return process, getting back to the ship in time for it to head out to sea again. It was fours of work for four hours of "fun". I was always worried about the time, and certain timeless sleep-in relatives. After a few days of that I just wanted to lay on a beach somewhere.
I couldn't have possibly imagined then that this might be a preview of my future.
2022 Hertz leads EV rental market. 2023 Hertz dumps EVs from rental fleet. 2024 Hertz admits 'strategic error'
Unless you rent a NIO with battery swap. Battery swap and battery as a service is how it is done.
@@martina5328 Nio is doing really poorly in China
At least when nobody can get a charge then everyone will hate politicians. That's the only positive that can come out of this. It's time to get rid of politicians and hire people who know what they are doing.
After seeing this one, single video, EV car sales should go down to zero as a Dirac delta function. Well, they won't and this says a lot about people in general. Extraordinary.
Even charging at home has problems when lots and lots of people re doing it. Take the recent case in California where the energy authorities requested people to not run their air conditioners unless really needed and to not use their EV's unless really needed. Why didn't people listen to you, Simon before purchasing one of these time wasters?
Sorry but I had to laugh, I have been telling people for years and years that ev's would not work!
This is the issue Evanglists gloss over. The old ‘oh every charge at home’. Well obviously not. Millions live in apartments, terraces, town houses. Many more are travelling on holidays, long day trips. An ICE. You can live ANYWHERE!
Good points.
Yes, the way they talk about filling up with proper fuel as if it's some sort of really difficult, terrible chore we have to endure is laughable. Almost as though they think we've never seen a petrol pump and don't realise how it works. Most of those who can charge at home don't have a garage, so they have to faff about in the rain or snow or whatever the weather throws at us, almost certainly not under cover, and the same again the following morning to unplug it. And with most cars it seems that has to be done every 150 miles or so. But hey, whoopie-dooo, "magical chargers are coming that will charge your EV in 5 minutes and will take you 1000 miles between charging", they cry...yeah, whatever. Good luck with that you EV fans, you've fallen for the hype once while they emptied your bank account and you're STILL falling for it.
@@severnsea I know. They act like Star Trek fanboys with the promise of magic just round the corner.
@xr6lad I'm an Evangelist, but I won't gloss over this. Charging infrastructure is not as good as it needs to be, but its changing fast. Chargepoints are being installed at twice the rate petrol/gas pumps are DISAPPEARING.
When @MGUYTV talks about throughput he makes a schoolboy error. He assumes EV throughput needs to be the same as ICE throughput, but off course the majority of EV charging happens at home. Yes as you point out many cannot do this but in the UK workplace and street charging is becoming more and more common. Whatever case it looks like an EV needing a public charger for more than 1 in 5 charges is unlikely. So MGUYs throughput figures of 20 v 100 look equivalent!
Oh Dear MGUY has accindentally made an argument in favour of EVs, whoops!
So you can with a NIO. Swap in a new battery in about 3 minutes. Station can charge hundreds of batteries overnight when cost is low. You can choose to rent your battery as a service. That is why Tesla is dead unless the sign a deal with NIO for battery swap tech and infrastructure.
They want us off the road. Why make EVs user-friendly? 🤷
This is hilarious! EVs are nothing more than large fancy golf carts that go 150 kmh, but you can't use them on a path.
I guess this explains exactly why Hertz had to get rid of all their EVs. 🤣 Just imagine you're on a trip and rented an EV and then you have to deal with this charging hell.
If your rental vehicle breaks down then the hire company will send out a truck. I’d imagine that part of their decision was the thought of sending out diesel generators to each and every customer caught short without a charger.
I imagine all their rentals were being returned with sub-20% battery charge. LOL 😂
Imagine the violence that’ll break out over charging your car due to the frustrations that’ll be present.
Charge rage will soon replace road rage!
Yesterday I drove from regional NSW to Sydney and back. Approx 800 kms (500 miles) total. Did one top-up as we left, and another in Sydney for the return trip, each taking 3-4 minutes. Very rare to see an EV on the Mid North Coast, with bugger all infrastructure.
It's so quick and easy to fill up an ice car and I don't drive a lot so it doesn't even happen very often, twice a month at most and it takes maybe 2 minutes tops to fill up because I don't run the tank to empty. I couldn't imagine intentionally putting myself into a position where I'd have to endure long waits, slow charges and chargers that don't work at all. Why would anyone put themselves through that kind of never ending hell? Maybe if you own a home and don't really go anywhere, maybe then an EV makes sense, but what about the very many people who live in apartments and row housing? Do they take the bus? Screw that, YOU take the bus, I'll keep my ice car.
Freakin hilarious! Trust the science they say...can't make this shit up! 🤣
As we've found out over the last 4 years, trusting "the science" can cause medium to long term issues or death.
I'll trust proven track records instead 👍
Thank You for your channel. I'm 64 years and you are 100% correct. I'm old school and I never ever never will own an EV. I have a classic car, It's a 1963 Chevrolet Impala Super Sport Coupe. It has an aftermarket 454 Big Block Chevy gas engine. I will keep it that way as long as they keep making gasoline. My son will get it after I'm gone and he's only 27 and he think that EV's Are ridiculous too!
Rather have no car then an EV.
Public charging in Australia is now being priced to be roughly - very roughly - comparable to unleaded petrol. It seems very very unlikely that this is ever going to decrease. So those in apartments or park their cars on the street or have more cars than garage space for whatever other reason are entirely reliant on public charging (and CSIRO / AEMO figures suggest that that is fully 40% of the population) are NEVER going to recover the price premium they paid for the (dubious) privilege of driving an EV. And despite reality denier Your ABC's outrage on the matter, bodies corporate in blocks of units are not permitting installation of high current power points for EV charging in carparks under blocks of units.
They most likely are not allowing installation of fast chargers because they do not have the power to supply it.
And they haven't added the road taxes yet. Just wait, they're just getting started on pricing.
Charging at Public spots in the UK is the same, And from what have been told and seen, A full charge can in many cases be MORE than only half filling a Petrol car!!!
And governments will soon add taxes on EVs to match fuel excise.
EV running costs will only rise.
@@canwelook True, true. But Australia is not going to have a significant EV population for a while (despite what reality denying enthusiasts yell out), so it will be a while yet. But yes, this must happen, and it will.
Remarkabley there are still some people who are still drinking the EV KOOL AID.
What a bloody fiasco!
If I had to charge at a charging station that has no attendant late in the evening or late night could be very dangerous in many places
Hear the constant diesel hum at the charge station
Shhhh.. Don't let these folks know that, it might tarnish the virtuous sacrifice they've made for the planet.
I doubt the average EV owner has considered when they plug their car in at home it's the equivalent of plugging in 250 1kW electric bar heaters.
No fast-charging at home! At home people will likely have a 7kW (singe-phase), 11 kW or 22 kW (triple-phase) AC charger, which is similar to the consumption of a tankless water heater.
A private home would not be able to afford a 250kW fast charger that costs upwards of 100,000 US$. Therefore the car would need to charge about 8 hours overnight. Fast-charging at home is virtually impossible for the foreseeable future, as the grid can barely handle the slow chargers.
Another ICE owner who thinks they know everything about EVs. Seriously! Think about what you are saying!
@@wdazza 250kW is 250kW however you spell it.
@@ChristianWagner888So, the alternative is to que up for hours... lol. 22kW is still 22 1kW heaters isn't it. I wouldn't want to come home and think of plugging in 22 1kW electric heaters. It sounds rather expensive to me.
@@stevemumbling7720 I would spell it as a over a 1000A supply (250Kw x 4.2 A) Single phase.
Why anyone would consciously put themselves through this gormless scenario is beyond my comprehension. Enlighten me please?
Here in the United States road rage is a real issue. EV drivers are a large portion of the drivers involved in road rage incidents. They are unhappy with their EV'S and suffer from range anxiety, high charging costs (California), and the utter disrespect shown to them by other drivers. This puts them on edge and highly susceptible to road rage.
One would have to be a fanatical EVangelist to be happy with lining up like that !😂
Even with a queue at our local ICE fueling station, never more than about a 5 minute wait to get to a pump...
My XB Ford Fairmont 250CUI six cylinder is still going strong. Designed and built in Australia 1974.
Those machines are so messed-up that they can't even tell you that they're not working.
Don't forget the huge losses between the power station and the point of use, and when you throw Air Source Heat Pumps into the mix, it simple isn't viable.
The losses don't just happen between the power station and the charger; they happen upstream and downstream of that, too. Then there's things like pre-heating the car so it's toasty warm to get into, and pre-heating the battery to get it ready for charging, so all that hard-to-generate, limited supply, lossy, queued-up-and-waited-for electricity isn't even used directly for transport purposes.
Screw that electric car crap!! Keeping my two gas powered Toyota’s. Thank you for the video, Simon. Cheers mate.🇨🇦🇦🇺
There is a women here on CZcams that just pulled into a random strangers house and plugged her car in.
The guy comes out and she just carried on in an entitled manor, even giving the home owner an attitude....
There is no spare power for these things. That's why half the chargers don't work.
In my city of 2 milllion people, we do not have a single fast charger, but EVs are already being sold. The electric grid also runs near capacity most of the time. Most EVs here probably just get used as second or third cars by those who can afford them. Nevertheless the government is promoting BEVs and EV public transport. Hopefully the people of the Philippines will resist this fad forcing companies and governments to dial back their plans.