Will the UK Rejoin the EU?
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Labour is likely to win the next election. Does this mean that we will have a different UK approach to the EU?
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No and no.
Why would the EU go through the whole renegotiation every few years... same issue as the leaving joining leaving problem
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To make sure they are fully committed, the EU should require that they start driving on the right side of the road.
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Cheek! Always your way, the E.U. is such a nasty, unfair bully. Why should we drive on the right, or have another E.U. referendum! You E.U. are so unfair
Only wanted our billions of money!
Freedom, sovereignty is priceless! I was overjoyed when we won the E.U.
Referendum, to leave your wretched E.U. ! Northern Ireland is part of our United Kingdom of Great Britain, and Northern Ireland! You are a big nasty
Bully , put us through hell to leave!
Why would we want to ever join the
E.U. again. You only ever want your way! We do not want to speak all your
Foreign languages, drive on the wrong
Side of the road, or be dictated to by you E.U. ever again! I am a proud Brexiteer! Not a remainer/ remoaner!
...and share some rain to Spain...
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Ok⊠until we do, we stay outside. Deal!
If Starmer says no, then the answer will eventually be yes.
If itâs done in the best interests of the UK, AND improves our lives, does it really matter?
Why?
I think it shows heâs always thinking about us, which is a huge difference in our lives.
Itâs very unlikely things would get worse here.
@@ascgazz7347 Starmer doesn't want to say anything on Brexit or the UK rejoining until after the elections, he doesn't want to divide the votes so he's keeping his cards close to his chest.
The truth is, we really don't know what Labours policies are on Brexit and the UK rejoining the EU, because Starmer is scared to death of talking about it because he fears losing voters from Brexiteers, but after the election, that tune could change, we'll have to wait and see.
But either way, I don't see the EU letting the UK back in for quite some time and unless there's a massive shift from the public, media and political parties in how they see the EU project, that will take time.
@@paul1979uk2000 The truth is, we really don't know what Labours policies are on Brexit and the UK rejoining the EU,
Yes we do.Starmer has repeated it time after time. Only no remainer wishes to believe him on it.
Starmers policy on the EU is that we are not rejoining. He has said it.
@@paul1979uk2000 did I say it would be fast? Nope.
Have Starmer (and Lammy) made enough trips over there to talk about things already? Yes.
We know what Starmer says recently, if youâve heard..? And that enough for now.
Thereâs no point going full lefty before heâs won, the Overton window is so far to the right in this country heâs got to be careful, and look, itâs working wonders.
Unless youâd rather stick with this lot and make it another 19 years of Tory misery..?
I get that impressionâŠ
stamer is no fool he knows what the people are saying, and he knows what Brexit has done to the other governments he will bend or be broken, let's hope Lib Dems become the second party
I would like to see the UK rejoin the EU, but as you say, that would be them signing up for everything. If they can't commit to the full EU, then it's best they stay out.
So you would rather not have all the benefits of the Uk in the eu rather than let us not take the euro?
@@gothicgolem2947your comment is biased since youâre British. If you guys donât adhere completely itâs likely for you guys to back out again. It would start a trend of countries backing out of EU when itâs not advantageous for them, and joining back when it is. Itâs kind of moronic to re-accept a country without renewed and better promises. It would undermine the EU alliance.
@@gothicgolem2947indeed, itâs a matter of trust
@@boylikenik6167 not really biased I am saying how I see it. Sweden hasnât backed out despite not having the euro and has shown no intention of doing so. So us not taking the euro would not mean we would back out. So itâs less moronic to lose the benefits of the Uk being in because of a currency that others already donât have??? Also after Brexit I donât think anyone is gonna want to leave the eu
@@abbofun9022 geez⊠what does trust have to do with our currency?
Sadly the UK will never rejoin, Europe will insist on it joing the eurozone and UK simply cannot afford to join it. Its economy is far too focused on finance to not have complete control over its monetary policy
Good point, the hardest topic would be the euro clearly, but i think they should not join if not adopting the euro.
I disagree. You conventiently forget that the EU is not only an economic undertaking. The EU has a duty to unite europe peacfully and there are a lot of idealists that keep that in mind. Getting the UK back in is a presitge project and it will be started as soon as the british are ready.
Indefinite delay
That is a red herring. The UK government has done nothing with it's control of currency in decades. In fact it last action was to make the Bank of England independent. Furthermore as we have seen with the last PM, the BOE does not have the depth of resources needed to strongly defend the pound in times of crisis.
@@dooley-ch Well we know this from every currency in the world, even the US dollar. When you can print money willy-nilly without any forethought about what that will cause, your currency is now a fiat currency and is worthless. And CBDC's will only make that worst .... because "printing" money is now infinite.
I mean, in an ideal world would I want to see the UK rejoin? Yes. But I have to say, I tend to agree with the position that UK politicians have historically been a significant blockade to further EU integration. And I don't like that. So, personally, I would only want to see the UK rejoin if their politicians became more pro-integration. And I'm not sure that I see that happening, unfortunately.
Exactly. I have a lot of british friends who all want to rejoin, and I get it, but I cant help but feel that letting the UK rejoin would mean shooting ourselves in the foot.
well said. British exceptionalism needs to disapear first.
I'm sorry you've been subjected to the Tories, just think how much more annoying they've been for people living in the UK though.
@@blizzi8428 I'm a Brit, who's lived in the Netherlands for 30 years. I would re-join immediately if it were up to me. However, asking Brits to get rid of the pound in favour of the Euro will never work. You might as well ask them to eat horse or drive on the right.
The union itself will collapse soon, its combined GDP figures are pathetic and getting worse. 20 years ago it had 44 corporations in the top 100 list, now there are less than 15, the union does not have a single worthwhile tech company. Whilst the developing world is about Innovation, entrepreneurship and technology, the EU is fixated on migration, regulation and diversity. Britain needs worthy partners if it wants to progress, the old mindset has to change.
No more exemptions for the UK if they ever want to rejoin. Put them full in the single market, with the euro and completely into shengen as well.
It won't ever rejoin then. The most that would happen is it becomes part of the single market
â@@Lando-kx6sowant them back too but they need us more then we need them. Either they will commit fully or they can wait till their situation becomes so dire that they won't have any other choice... Even if it takes 20 more years.
@@Lando-kx6so yep
Schengen membership would violate the Good Friday Agreement unless Ireland also decided to join. With the current refugee crisis that is unlikely.
â@cainneachdaugherty7172 Not neccesarily. There's no reason that the UK could he part of schengen and Ireland not while the Common travel agreement remains in place.
Europeans would he able to move without checks into the UK, and then via the UK to Ireland.
Even now while Ireland is not part of schengen, any EU citizen can still come to Ireland and in theory sneak across the border into the UK.
So you don't need full alignment of the UK and Ireland for the GFA to still be in place. But it would make things more complicated
I want them back in the EU. But only if they don't get any special deals. We never wanted the UK to leave, but to let them get back with their old deals or better deals would just mean another brexit soon, just to get even better deals. Its also not fair to the other EU countries. Not wanting the UK back is silly.
Nothing silly about not wanting UK back. If they cannot behave and be proper EU member with EURO currency and be part of Schengen, then they need to stay out.
i saw a poll that i think around 70% of people think it was a mistake to leave.. I wish we would rejoin and i think itâs fair enough that we have no special treatment, plus the euro is a beautiful currency so iâm not complaining đ
@@theultimatewazzer We won't have to take on the Euro, there are other countries in europe who don't use the Euro, such as Hungary for example
@@TheTfrules yeah and sweden is think i was just thinking they might make us go all the way but fairs mate
@@TheTfrulesHungary, Poland, Czech republic, Romania, Bulgaria all are obliged to adopt the euro at some point, Bulgaria is striving to 2025 or 2026 finally. Sweden was the only, with the UK, special opt-out, but Sweden will adopt it eventually. I believe because they are still unsure of the stability and power of the euro and back then they had the complete right to do so, it was a brand new currency. However, as times goes on and euro strengthens up, they are really likely to change their mind, and Brussels would make a soft push as well. It turns out that people donât get the core idea behind the euro, it is just a second layer of strength and protection of the union. And like marital contract, if you leave, you will lose more. Itâs not a reason to fuck up economies or peopleâs life. If the UK wants to join back, they will have to become at least also Schengen members. But the euro must still be on the table, especially after all states have adopted it.
The EU should definitely not allow the UK to join under the old privileged arrangement, if it comes to that!
The UK donât see themselves as âEuropean projectâ. Thatâs cultural,
They didnât want to get involved in European affairs historically. They were interested in other parts of the world
Bretin? Britback? How would you call it?
Breturn maybe
bretwompwomp
Brexitnât
Call it âBrejoinâ.
Guys you're making my day lmao ahahhaha your answers are brilliant
And what exactly makes you think we want you back after all this mess?
UK had SO MANY cherries they picked the first time. And they still quit. They openly declared us as the worst thing to ever happen to them.
Donât assume a few people in suits speak and and everyone agrees with them, the EU was decision was literally the closest vote yet. If you wanna open your mouth. Know what youâre talking about đ
@@lukewilliams9360 âA few people in suitsâ the people of the uk are not âa few people in suitsâ
You can close your mouth yourself
â@@PongLenis-zw8kvWhat do you mean the UK people? The referendum barely got past 50% the first time and consensus largely agrees that's mostly because it wasn't taken super seriously which affected turnout. With hindsight we know the drivers for Brexit were a small group of right wing interest groups and a vocal minority of followers who were either already super xenophobic or were just tricked into thinking the EU was a bad deal. The situation is far more nuanced than you let on.
@@notmyuseristolethis 50% of the population are still not a few men in suits. Knowing how shitty it was in hindsight, after all the fucked up stuff happened, is not making this all good. You donât ditch a partner like that and go back to normal once you realize your not better off, and then expect all trust to still go back to how it was.
Stay out.
Edit: and its not better to watch former brexiteers blame everything else, but not themselves for this bs.
You ppl destroyed this. Now live with it.
@@PongLenis-zw8kv I'm American lmao
England's problem is that it still thinks it is a middle power with something worthy of a free trade agreement. It tried to get one with the US but they have nothing of importance to us that we want and neither side of our political aisle is interested in trade policies that don't benefit us tremendously. This isn't the 1990s. So the UK needs to be a subordinate part of something bigger or they will just fade away.
Indeed, self reflection has been their strong suit
exactly, during negotiations both sides need to offer something to get something.
and right now the UK wants a lot of things, and has nothing to offer.
and the EU doesn't need the UK, and don't have to give any privileges to the UK.
Technically, the UK is a middle power, the problem is, the gap between the EU, US and China compared to other middle powers is massive, which weakens the voice and relevance of middle powers a lot.
The major powers are the EU, US and China, and I'm sure others like Russia would like to be seen as a major power, but the truth is, it doesn't have the economy, the population size and its performance on the military front has been a joke over the last few years, basically, Russia is a lot weaker than what many in the west thought they were and it's showing in Ukraine.
There are many many problems with this statement. And it's mostly full of fallacies.
Globalisation is a con for the working people of the world. Under EU was created to implement a continental government, dictating to all the countries that are in it. The fallacies that you cannot be independent. You absolutely can and you do not need to submit to unelected bureaucrats.
â@@ChristiaanHWdid you even watch the video???!
I bloody hope so, I was only 14 so wasn't able to vote when the referendum happened and have had to watch my country deteriorate further and further as a result without ever getting a say
I also never had a vote in the 1970s ! When I as a teenager, endured our
Beloved United kingdom of Great Britain and NORTHERN IRELAND, join
the wretched E.U. ! I waited for about
50 years before we could BREXIT!!!
@@user-mx1gh3mn3w Hope it was worth the wait
@@user-mx1gh3mn3w Nice story, boomer. Only, at that time, Great Britain was known 'the sick man of Europe' . And that was for a very obvious reason. Its economy was in ruins. Then it joined the EU, got back on its feet during the Thatcher area, only to vote for Brexit and economically decline again. I see a picture being painted. One of a petulant child wanting its cake and eat it. Well, that's not how the international community works.
â@@user-mx1gh3mn3wur dumb
@@user-mx1gh3mn3w your name looks like Russian bot name.
The polls are nonsense, they said we would vote to remain in 2016! If Liebour dragged us back in, we would just leave again when the conservatives got back in.
The current arrangement is actually much better for both parties. The UK can fly solo and daydream about empire, while the EU can deepen integration more smoothly. We like having the Uk as a satellite.
yep -the EU's going really smoothly at the minute.. deepening and opening their borders to one and all.. the people of Europe are lovin' it
Has anyone else here read the book by Stefaan De Rynck, Barnier's special advisor during the Brexit negotiations, entitled "Inside the Deal (How the EU Got Brexit Done)"? If they have they'll understand why, for the foreseeable future, the EU is content with the TCA as it stands, merely wants the UK to comply with it and has no great wish to reopen the can of worms that negotiation with the UK appears to entail.
Do we want them back? Personally I would say no. They weren't very "European" and blocked a lot of stuff
We do not need them back in the EU. Leave them on their islands !
How many decades was British chocolate banned from export to other EU countries again? British marmite was banned for being a medicinal product and so on and so on. Brussels was a pain in the arse to deal with on so many levels.
And they will behave in the same way if they rejoin. Read English newspapers.
@@damionkeeling3103 the member states decide on what is allowed and not allowed.
Yeah and Poland and Hungary and Italy are all so similar, give me a break. The EU is a pain and is getting worse, member states are all getting fed up and will all stop playing by the EU rules.
"There is no appetite from the EU side to reintroduce a troublesome member state" (2:29). That's THE stumbling block in having the UK join the EU again. As for the British military forces being an addition to the EU's, at least for the time being what actually matters in that field is that the UK already belongs to the same union as most EU countries, NATO.
Vice versa on the British side
If the UK rejoins then no more opt outs. No more rebates. And joining the Euro.
Well everyone lost their vetos so that would have happened anyway but as for rebates shouldn't you be complaining about the existing members getting them first?
@@immoloism When did everyone lose their vetos and what existing members have rebates? Details please.
@@maxharbig1167 6 months ago when they voted on it and I can post links so search for eu member rebates and while the UK was was the highest they were not alone in getting them.
That is precisely why we won't join
Euro and Schengen are probably why you'd never get a 2/3 majority for rejoining. They are not exactly popular even in left wing circles here
No, they simply can't rejoin right now. The EU is not an hotel, where you come and go as you please.
But if we rejoin it would make everyone see how good the EU is.
@@NOAHPCPRO sure, but it would imply things like "do whatever you want, the door is always open". As he had told in the video, we should be sure Brexitism is no more
@@NOAHPCPRO Or hpw weak it is and 27 countries each with an individual veto will take that into account.
â@@maxharbig1167 for example Greece will veto till they will have back their historic tresure, ROI will veto till an united Ireland, Spain want Gibrotle, and France will behave as french...
@@Lorre982 Yep and there are probably a few other reasons as well.
Only after a referendum with a 66% yes vote and no opt-outs.
And accepting ALL the requirements to join and a binding agreement that we're in PERMANENTLY.
No!
Out means out
Stay out.
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@@fcassmann "out means out" means absolutely nothing as an argument.
if it is better for everyone (european countries and the UK) then they should rejoin. if it's not then they shouldn't.
@@paulszki
Oh, yes it is.
â@fcassmann uk did so well after leaving eu
If the UK does rejoin the EU I think there will have to be some conditions to ensure they donât leave again. Something like adopting the Euro would probably be necessary to make leaving super unappetizing in the future. Think of it like the condition West Germany needed from France before having its approval to reunite with East Germany (they also had to get rid of their previous currency and take up the Euro).
Exactly, the EU has already stated how Switzerland is a pain in the ass with negotiations much less have an actual member that is also a pain in the ass on top, again. It's likely these opt out that the UK had for decades contributed to their alienation feeling and eventual vote to leave. If they would join again, no concessions, full membership. We don't need another clown show in 15 years because some populist party wants a Brexit Season 2.
If the UK were to rejoin again, the UK would be treated as a new member, in other words, there would be no op-outs on the Euro or Schengen zone, and because of that, there will likely need a sizeable shift from the public, media and political parties in the UK in how they see the EU project.
Basically, I don't think that shift will change overnight and it will take time, but at the very least, the ones that want the UK to rejoin the EU, need to make it crystal clear to the people that rejoining won't be under the same terms they had before leaving, they will be rejoining everything, if they still want to join and have a more positive view on the projects, then the odds will go up a lot for them rejoining, but we are probably talking decades off.
The ⏠is no longer optional for any new member.
If the British start making these demands, it is better for us Europeans if they stay out of it.
It is "super" to realise that the UK is never going to join the euro. And if you think that locking a democratic country into a oligarchical organisation like the EU then you are showing contempt for democracy itself
My impression is that British Labor wants to have the foot in two shoes. They would like a policy that brings the United Kingdom closer to the EU without being part of it, so as not to upset the Brexiters, but by seeking votes among the re-joiners. However, I hope that Europe rejects this model. Otherwise the idea would pass that there is no need to be part of the EU to be able to reap its benefits. It is right that enough time passes for most Britons to abandon their idea of exceptionalism. And then I fear that the British may want to impose British English as the European standard. It would bother me a lot to read "centre" and not "center" in the international activities of my country.
I truly agree with you, the only way they could join the EU would be with the acceptance of the euro and all EU laws. Other than that it would be a simple no, no more âspecial statusâ for the ex-empire british
@@lastsovietspy Salty, what about the ex-French and Spanish empires? Just as bad ;).
â@@epicmonkeydrunk And don't forget the Dutch and German empires! The difference is that EU countries accepted that they are not an empire anymore, and that the way forward is closely coöperating with their neighbours. In that way they are at least as powerfull as they were in their empire days (when they were in a semi constant state of war with eachother)
BE should be the standard spelling for English worldwide!
Btw Switzerland is aspiring to do this, staying out of the EU while profiting the most from it..
I agree with the commentator. Only if the UK is committed as a full EU member. With all conditions
Pretty good analysis. One really important point that makes me optimistic for UK rejoining is the age divide. Brexit was largely driven by an older generation which didnât experience ww2 but have nostalgia for the British empire, this generation is literally dying off. Meanwhile, the youth are overwhelmingly pro EU with 80% supporting rejoining according to YouGov.
Indeed. But it will take one generation if.
But that's the thing with all young voters. It's easy to demand other people pay taxes. But when you start earning money and the govt starts demanding that they pay taxes, they start changing their political identities. So over time, their choices will change. I've seen polls recently that But that said, aren't YouGov the same polling company that said, pre-referendum, that there is no possibility that Brexit was possible because their polling data supported the idea that Remain was going to win? So how can you trust any polling company these days?
The Baby Boomers are in their 60s and 70s. None of us experienced the Empire and have absolutely no nostalgia for it.
@@parachute5274 funny how the empire is always mentioned. It's always the pro Eu types.
Brexit is the best thing that happened to the EU in the last decades. Rejoining should mean they get in line after North Macedonia, Albania, Serbia and Turkey, and they should pass the same criteria judged with the same scrutiny.
No. That ship has sailed. A Norwegian or a Swiss model might work out eventually, but it sorta goes against everything that Brexit was about, so that will be yet another drawn out process. As a European I wish the best for both the EU and the UK, may they live long and prosper as a team, not as adversaries.
That wont work, the eu is not interested in more of these deals, and norwa and switzerland wont accept british efta membership as it would end their dominance.
@@ldubt4494it might benefit the eu to have the Uk in the single market tho
" goes against everything that Brexit was about"
Nonsense, you are rewriting history. Remember this : "Only a fool would leave the single market" ?
Even Nigel always mentioned those two countries as an example knowing very well that they are in the Single Market.
â@@gothicgolem2947It might economically in the short term, but it would involve UK following EU rules. And that will be a political problem in the long term. How can EU be sure that UK will have the same stance after next elections? Just too much risk for instability.
And it seems another example of cherrypicking. Trying to reap the economicbenefits of EU, without committing to it..
@@gothicgolem2947 _it might benefit the eu to have the Uk in the single market tho_ Single Market access is for EU and ETFA members only, and the UK is neither.
The EU isn't just a marketplace, isn't just an economical union. *The EU is also very much political* and a peace project at heart: intertwining nations trough trade, thus securing peace between these nations. The goal of the EEC and later EU has always been: an ever closer union between the peoples and nations of Europe. This goal was already written down in the 1957 Treaty of Rome. Are those Britons that now want to return to the EU fold aware of this goal? I wonder if they are, and I wonder if they subscribe to it. Once again it seems to be only about the money.
Plenty of governments want opt-outs for a number of things these days, just like the UK did. And if everyone has a opt-out of migration and agriculture, then why even bother in the first place. In my opinion, nobody should get any opt-outs for anything anymore. You are either in 100% or you are out. No more 50/50 bs.
ââ@@JaegerDreadfulyeah why should you get an opt out? you should be dictated to by the unelected bureaucrats in Brussels đ
@@Halebopp97 Brother we literally just had the European Parliament elections, what do you mean "unelected". The Council is elected as well, just like the commission, just indirectly. I recommend you watch some videos from this channel about the subject before you start spreading misinformation.
@@JaegerDreadful hahaha! And you think electing an MEP really gives you some accountability and say of what the EU does???!! Surely you're not that deluded???
@@JaegerDreadful the council and the commission are not elected. When did you last vote for a commissioner please pray tell???
1:52 excuse me but wtf, name one major party in Hungary who is campaigning to leave the EU. There is none, maybe some fringe parties. EU approval rating in Hungary is high. I don't know what to make of this graphic.
Yeah, that tends to be the case in shithole countries like Hungary.
Hungary is not stupid. Most countries who are in the EU know how much we. all profit from. the free single market.
Itâs not the question if you should return, itâs the question if Europe wants youâŠeven after kneeling showing respectâŠ.you would not be let in the EU. The EU should not be damaged by this crazy bunch of people. They are not on an island for nothing.
Mainland Europeans weren't this ungrateful back in 1945 lol. What changed ?
Just keep in mind!! Okay!!
It's the Western Elites who want to be in Europe! People like no constituency appointed appointee's, Ursula Von der Leyen and Josep Borrell. Including the other 25 no constituency appointed appointee's European Commissioner's. Ordinary decent people want nothing to do with it!!
IT'S JUST A GLORIFIED CORPORATE CORRUPT CLUB. It's a Whitehouse & NATO PROXY-ARMY TO FIGHT A NEVERENDING WAR WITH RUSSIA!! That's what's going on folks!!
No constituency appointed appointee's, Ursula Von der Leyen and Josep Borrell, are taking us for a ride on behalf of the Corporate corrupt Whitehouse & NATO. We're just suckers!!
â@@Joep1209 The Whitehouse and NATO just got too big for their jackboots and politicians and voters got lazy!! We're dealing with full on Corporate corrupt Warmongering corruption.
I honestly believe that đ·đșâ€ïžPresident Putin đ·đșâ€ïž is the only adult politician that can save us from Whitehouse and NATO hellhole.
@@Joep1209 In 1945, you were not part of the first unions. You joined rather late in the 1970s because of economic difficulties, do you remember?
@@YvonneHoerde in 1945 you weren't part of a free country and wouldn't be if not for us. Show some respect.
Nah, no way, it can't under go back under Starmer. Brexit was a once in a generation vote. That's the rule with referendums in the UK.
"You don't know what you have until its gone." An old adage that still holds true in these days and times.
You donât know what you HAVE until itâs gone.
@@ralphhebgen7067 adjusted, thanks
@@AurediumRiptide đ
The UK is like an estranged sibling for me. I would happily welcome them back if we're able to settle our differences.
Iâm in a weird place where as a 20 year old British citizen I donât want to join the eu as it is.. BUT if there was a guarantee of deep integration into a European state with an integrated army, economy, etc then I would actually be for it but as of now I think the eu is a sinking ship as well anyway and I donât think us joining would help anyone
@@Josh-bn4lb I'm completely on board but I feel like the rest of the UK wouldn't agree with that vision
@@Josh-bn4lb I'm a Brit who has lived and worked in Italy for the last 35 years, and we are doing fine. There's nothing "sinking" about us.
@@michaeljohnangel6359 youâre economy is in free fall and youâre constantly running horrendous deficits, immigration is rife and thereâs nothing getting much better, as everywhere
@@Josh-bn4lb And you know this because you live and work in Italy? How long have you lived here, to have developed such opinions? Or are you just another opinionated armchair academic? We are doing very well in Italy, in spite of the usual problems that every country has.
(I think you mean "your", by the way, not "you're.")
The problem is many rejoiners (not all of course) think they can join the EU on their own terms, because they think that the European Union needs the United Kingdom in the same way that the United Kingdom needs the European Union. I think that they too should learn to be less arrogant and learn that there is no reason why they should have different treatment, in my opinion, the only nations and territories that should have greater autonomy and special laws are the most physically isolated territories from the continent, such as Cyprus, the Azores, the Canary Islands and the French overseas departments.
We are not arrogant. We do not want to rejoin. I am a happy Brexiteer. It was
unfair we had to pay billions more than
Other countries. We do not like the way we were dictated to! Had to have
Straight bananas, etc. It is you that sounds arrogant, nasty, like the E.U..
Stop sending us boats full of illegal
Migrants! They should stay in the ,
E.U. where they arrive safe first!!!
Brexiteers think that the EU needs the UK like Russian nationalists think that the EU needs Russian raw materials. Neither is the case.
So basically all islands should have autonomy ... so what is the UK exactly, if not an island???
@@realismatitsfinest5745 Who said anything about islands? peripheral and overseas territories are a specific thing.
Your mind remote mass mind reading powers aren't all you seem to think they are.
No special treatment for any new UK application. If we're back in, we're in absolutely đŻ percent.
The UK has left the EU. The question isn't whether it _rejoins_, it's simply whether it requests joining, goes through the accession process and is eventually admitted. The word "rejoin" may only be understood in the temporal meaning (i.e. "UK used to be in and might perhaps get in again"); but politically and technically, the application process won't and can't differ one bit from a new member's. Regardless of whether you or I would like it or not. However, the time it takes may be a lot shorter than in the case of other countries---unless the UK manages to drift very far from the standards and accession criteria required.
It has already drifted with its Australian deal, i.e. accepting hormone enhanced beef.
@@maxharbig1167 Yes, thatâs true. There was an obvious (and deliberate indeed) relaxation of standards for food imports (as the UK battles with food sustainability). But these arrangements can, I think, be reverted as quickly as they were (rather hastily) set up. The true problems would be divergence in production standards, environmental standards, healthcare system, social services, judicial system⊠Long-term, systemic changes like that.
@@vaclavkrpec2879 FTPTP as opposed to some form of PR that the 27 have?
As a European, I think that brexit was a mistake and that the natural place of UK is in EU. BUT, without special deals or privileges.
The EU should not let them back in! They will go right back to being trouble if they do!
yes, democracy is very troublesome if it doesn't follow the narrative.
UK MUST JOIN ORBAN WILGERS LE PEN PATRIOT EU. NOT A SATANIC GANG OF TRAITORS DESTROYING EUROPE
@@Curryking32000 The UK sabotaging the entire rest of the continent at every given chance, no matter the popular opinion on the continent, is not the definition of democracy.
0:02:47 - Irelands not in Schengan. We do have our opt-out due to the UK though. We have a sort of Schengen++ for about 100 years.
With full movement, access to benefits, housing, healthcare and voting rights the moment you change your address anywhere on the two Islands...
With Brexit, Ireland can't ever join Schengen without giving up something that holds Northern Ireland from tearing itself apart again.
However, British citizens actually have more freedoms in Ireland than EU citizens have, much like Irish citizens have in the UK. Ireland and the UK have their own Common Travel Area. One of these living in the other's territory can live, work, travel all visa free (EU citizens have to get visas for these). You can also vote in each other's elections (as long as you are a resident of that country). Also Ireland considers that anyone born in Northern Ireland (protestant or catholic), are Irish citizens, as long as one parent is a British citizen.
Notice: they don't say EU citizen ... the parent has to be British. And this alliance goes back a long time before the EU was even a thing and, as such, is still very much alive today. (Ireland is also the only country in the EU that has Common Law instead of Civil Law ... and this is thanks to the UK's influence over Ireland for so long, both good and bad. As someone who is descended from both Irish and British ancestry, I know all too well what the British *DID* to Ireland ... again, both good and bad.)
â@@realismatitsfinest5745 That's why I said Ireland couldn't join Shengan as the reverse applies.
We both would have to join together or not at all.
The Nordic countries also have a very similar thing to us, So Norway and Iceland had to join Schengen to make sure their own common travel area stayed compatible.
I personally like our little system and the only downside (for Ireland) is we have to show our passports when we enter mainland Europe. Not a bad tradeoff (for us anyway).
@@Eoin-BIn the case of Ireland there is little to gain with Schengen, Norway had its border with Sweden. The biggest benefit of Schengen(this is a point of contention with Romanians and Bulgarians) is the land border. The air and Sea borders are just some checks, but at the land border its an actual barriers, Ireland only has one land border(and believe it has none), and its to another part of the same Island, Schengen has almost no benefit at all, Air and Sea borders can be made with bilateral treaties that achieve the same thing.
Ireland's enjoying EU immigration policy so much these days, it would be a shame to spoil their fun
I'm not British, but my girlfriend is English and her parents are keen supporters of Brexit so I more or less know what they think.
These are indeed disappointed by Brexit, but not in the sense that they would like to return to the EU, on the contrary they are convinced that Brexit has been boycotted and that in reality the United Kingdom has only partially left the EU and that the tyranny of Brussels prevents the United Kingdom to recover. They believe that a few years after Brexit they would have become like Switzerland and if they are not it is because there was some conspiracy that prevented it, they believe that the Tories (who they have always voted for) have betrayed the country in favor of Brussels and in fact they will vote for Farage in the next elections. I have noticed that these are not isolated cases, in rural areas of England, especially among older people, ideas like these are the most common; Therefore, my opinion is that the solution to rewind Brexit and rejoin the EU is generational change, when the boomers are numerically irrelevant and the votes of the millenials are the most important then there will be the possibility of a return to the EU, even if it is not obvious, it depends on the evolution of events and on what the new generations, such as the zoomers and the alpha generation, will decide.
Sounds to me that they really don't understand what Brexit implies.
Thatâs what happens when the political class and the media take a complex issue and strip it to its bare bones to simplify it and push its agenda.
âBrexit is so simple weâll just leave and use the money we give the EU on the UK why on Earth are things not working properly? Must have been boycottedâ this general feeling among those who were convinced Brexit was a good idea by people who cared more about gathering votes than painting the full picture is normal and will entirely the fault of these campaigners.
Obviously nothing good will come from this, when people feel betrayed the grow resentful and seek a strong figure which can gather their frustration.
@@ysteinfjr7529 They demand that all European tourists must have a visa to come to the UK and pay a tax, while they would like the British government to make agreements so that British people can unilaterally travel freely around Europe.đ”âđ«
A balanced and objective comment.
I am much like your gfs family. I have written a comment here earlier.
Brexit was ill managed by both sides. A lot of bad blood, nothing sensible, mature just cock fighting and media hype.
My concern is more present with global geopolitics ie wars China Russia etc. globalisation is gone as we know it. Itâs now protectionism. You can see it in EU elections, how the woke left have let the rise of the right happen all over.
Similar was the beginnings of WW1/2. Xenophobia creeping in. Baltics questioning Russian natives, Chinese/indians immigrating as cheap labour (Italy signed migration accords) while boats still keep crossing and cost of living is high - no food, no housing for citizens yet immigrants get more than taxpayers. The right will obviously rise, theyâd be stupid not to. Itâs happening too fast.
Politicians bureaucrats donât care, their jobs are safe.
Until a revolt rises.
As a Brit, Iâm concerned of EUs direction. Do the maths, youâll see the same.
@@cuginidifrancia94 They could join Schengen. Norway is in Schengen even if we're not in EU.
As a European, I don't want UK back to the EU. We're better without the UK, they kept their currency, they got preferiencial treatment and more...
If UK come back to the EU, then they have to take Euro as currency, and being treated like every states.
Can we kick them out of Cyprus as well? Especially since they support Turkey's illegal split of the island nation.
Pound is powerful. We can't let them leave it behind.
All other opt outs should be rescinded.
@@blazer9547 I know, pound is powerful yes, but if the UK's people want to came back to the EU, we have to be united and being clear. The fact that some states in EU like Poland and some other states have a different currency is a problem, and UK should not be treated differentely.
But the Uk economy could benefit the eu as could our fishing waters for certain countries in the eu. You really want to not have that rather than let us not take the euro?
@@Warsaotteif Sweden and others can not take the euro why canât the Uk?
Eu is turning right while uk is turning left interesting
Not the EU but many of the member countries. They are also turning anti-EU.
turning right to win the people but not really right if you read the fine print. I won't believe it until any of this *right* leaves the EU
Probably because the UK has been right wing since 2010 and people are fed up. Most other EU countries was governed by the left or centrists during the 2010s and people are reacting the same way, just that they are turning right wing instead.
Not sure Starmer's Labour can be described as 'left'. The choice here is between incompetence or the possibility of a vaguely adequate government.
@@howardrisby9621 Jeremy Corbyn was a pre-1968 leftist. Starmer is a Eurocommunist.
It seems inevitable that the UK will rejoin the EU.
The age demographics of the Brexit vote showed that it was older age groups who voted to leave. With lots of pro Brexit voters no longer with us and massive support for rejoining amongst new voters, over 80% in the under 25s, it may happen sooner than people think. There are also huge numbers of leave voters who would now vote to rejoin.
It looks like we may end up in the strange situation of the UK being one of the most pro EU countries in Europe. At this point in time, all the major political parties in the UK are likely to support rejoining in a fully committed way. To do otherwise would mean electoral defeat. The EU would then be likely to welcome the UK back. They would gain the benefits of having the UK as a member, without the disruption it previously caused.
You paint a very rose picture regarding the future. With wishful thinking doing most (if not all) of the heavy lifting.
@@maartenaalsmeer Iâm using statistics to create a well informed opinion. No wishful thinking needed.
@@maartenaalsmeer Admittedly though, with the way politics has been over the last decade, perhaps we should expect the unexpected and not try to predict the future. đ€Ł
Guess what, Uk peeps are not the only one having their say...
Thats one of the point of the EU and it seems you still haven't understood the lesson.
@@Morkhard I agree. Itâs also up to the EU. It will need a large public and political consensus in the UK to reassure the EU of the UKâs commitment.
If they want to rejoin, they are welcome, but they must accept and apply the treaties
I voted Leave and I donât regret it for one single second.
And I agree that should this country rejoin which we will not do then yes absolutely we would have to accept ALL aspects of EU laws without fail without resistance.
And yes that would also mean becoming a part of Schengen and being made to join the EuroâŠ.and from day one not further down the line.
And these conditions would simply not be suitable or acceptable to the British people,especially giving up the ÂŁ for the Euro.
And that is why we will never rejoin.
Oh and the EU will not want the hassle and trouble a U.K. re entry would bring.
Damn, you look like the absolute chad meme with that strong af jawline. Based.
Keep it up my guy.
I will remind you all of this
September 19, 1946. University of Zurich
What is this plight to which Europe has been reduced? Some of the smaller states have indeed made a good recovery, but over wide areas are a vast, quivering mass of tormented, hungry, careworn and bewildered human beings, who wait in the ruins of their cities and homes and scan the dark horizons for the approach of some new form of tyranny or terror. Among the victors there is a Babel of voices, among the vanquished the sullen silence of despair. That is all that Europeans, grouped in so many ancient states and nations, and that is all that the Germanic races have got by tearing each other to pieces and spreading havoc far and wide. Indeed, but for the fact that the great republic across the Atlantic realised that the ruin or enslavement of Europe would involve her own fate as well, and stretched out hands of succour and guidance, the Dark Ages would have returned in all their cruelty and squalor. They may still return.
Yet all the while there is a remedy which, if it were generally and spontaneously adopted by the great majority of people in many lands, would as by a miracle transform the whole scene and would in a few years make all Europe, or the greater part of it, as free and happy as Switzerland is today. What is this sovereign remedy? It is to recreate the European family, or as much of it as we can, and to provide it with a structure under which it can dwell in peace, safety and freedom. We must build a kind of United States of Europe. In this way only will hundreds of millions of toilers be able to regain the simple joys and hopes which make life worth living. The process is simple. All that is needed is the resolve of hundreds of millions of men and women to do right instead of wrong and to gain as their reward blessing instead of cursing.
Therefore I say to you âLet Europe arise!â
Winston Churchill, Zurich, 9 September 1946
please don't forget
Firstly, last time I checked the calendar, we have moved on from 1946. Ideas change and the people change. We cannot vote on what someone from ancients times wanted and we cannot think like them. We have to do what is best for us TODAY ... not want someone thought should happen 80 years ago and try and impose his will and vision on our current situation. Things change. The EU has become the Fourth Reich. And over-bearing and over-reaching organization that has no place in a democratic environment. The power should be with "We The People" not the globalist elite oligarchs, as it is now with the EU and their pathetic pseudo-science on their man-made climate hoax, as one example.
All they want is people to shut up and obey. But as we're seeing with many European countries, and now USA and Canada, "We The People" want a seat at the table, not serving the oligarchs their food at that table. We're tired of being told we're too stupid to vote for the right causes (as was the case with Brexit and voting for Trump). In Canada, we're on the verge of ridding ourselves from the disaster that is Trudeau and the foot irons he has around our feet with Net Zero carbon taxes, inflationary monetary policies and his child abuse policies on transgenderism.
We're instead about to head in the opposite direction of you Brits and adopt a anti-Net Zero, anti-trans, anti-inflation fiscal policy. And we're going to boom while you Brits are going to flounder even more. If I were you, I'd move abroad. It's what I did under Trudeau (and all previous Liberal-Socialist govts of Canada) ... in this globalized world, it's very easy to do. And, while living abroad, you also don't pay taxes, so you ensure that your hard earned cash isn't wasted on policy decisions you don't agree with. So I'm looking forward to finally moving back to Canada ... very, very soon.
Churchill said to De Gaulle in 1944, "Each time we must decide between Europe and the open sea, it is the open sea we shall choose". He also said in 1953, "We are with Europe, but not of it. We are linked but not comprised. We are interested and associated but not absorbed."
@@georgesdelatour Yes you are right however at the end of the day it's better we are in than out and when we get back in it will not be the same as before with those foolish opt-outs
â@@WinstonMelbourne-vt2vt At the end of the day, these megalomaniacal dreams of a giant European Imperium are folly. I notice that Churchill spoke well of tiny Switzerland as a society worthy of emulation. Maybe Europeans should think on that.
To a degree, Brexit shows fractures within the UK, as much as with Europe. I suspect that rejoining would be more likely to work if parts were to join independently.
Interestingly, I suspect that the Tories' problems have mostly come from trying to make Brexit work. But I don't think the population as a whole has quite come to this conclusion, and anyway figures that rejoining is unlikely an option near term. If Northern Ireland, being effectively in the EU, starts doing better, with new factories meant to serve the EU market, maybe this'll change. Or if Northern Ireland rejoins the ROI.
Anyway the important money laundering sector doesn't want to be under EU oversight. And that may prove the determining factor.
Twenty-seven countries have a say in whether the UK would be accepted as a candidate country and all of them have to agree to any country becoming a full member. There would be no more special exceptions from the EU law, no more negotiated opt outs. The UK would have to be a signing party to all the laws that were contentious to them and led to the UK leaving the Union. Perhaps it is best for all that the UK stays out and enjoys the blue passport and freshly regained sovereignty for many decades to come.
EU will do in relation to the UK what the USA says, especially considering the spinless policies we have in the EU in the last 5, 6 years⊠Letâs face it, in a political sense, it doesnât matter to me whether they come back or not, but thatâs the reality about the EU
The only way for the UK to get a further negotiation on any deals concerning EU is for the UK to allow free movement of people between EU and UK, because this is what the EU wants. The Scottish will put pressure on the new UK government for another debate on Brexit as the Scottish want to be part of the EU, or even go it alone.. who knows
I think the UK will re-join at some point, probably with a few opt-outs but less than before, hopefully within my lifetime.
Why would EU grant any opt outs?
There won't be any op-outs, if the UK were to do that, other existing members will want some of the same and countries that want to join will want the same as well, there's no way the EU would open up that can of worms to let the UK back in.
Besides, think of the message it would send if the UK starts demanding op-outs, it sounds like a lot of the same troubles they've had with the UK for decades, so why would the EU and its members want that?
If the UK is really serious about rejoining, it has to show commitment to the project, signing up to everything would be a good start in building trust, in other words, if the UK were to demand op-outs, it would be a major mistake on the UK part and likely would delay the UK rejoining for decades.
Nah, But I think they eventually will join the EES like Switzerland or Norway. Which was what many more moderate Brexit supporters campaigned for in 2016 - which is also a good middle ground for Remainers that then can access the single market, study in the EU and have less hassle when traveling
Seems like the only realistic option at this point, reading the comments section it seems the EU doesnât want Uk back anyway
they meet the requirements for EU membership, so sure, they should join. but not with special provisions this time around.
Are you sure the UK currently meets the Copenhagen Criteria? The first step is an acceptable application and there are 27 potential vetos even for that.
@@maxharbig1167 they trivially have to collectively decide to join. If they don't there is no way to help them any more than the proverbial horse that couldn't be made to drink from the water it was led to
The UK was a payn in the ars. And there will be no cherrypicking.
London made itself the financial centre of Europe unfortunately Brexit is eroding that position the UK has lost at least I.5 trillion Pounds. Thatâs half the UKâs yearly GDP. The big blow ( losing Euro clearing) will come in less then a years time. Costing the government billions in ta revenue. Starmer will undoubtedly try to postpone that again but he is unlikely to succeed because euro clearing outside the block is a systemic risk. Same goes for a veterinary deal, the EU knows the UK has a severe shortage of vets therefore wonât be able to keep up its end of the deal. The UK market is fully open to EU businesses simply because the UK is only pretending to do customs checks. Whatâs worse is that the UK ( economically ) cannot do without EU imports.
what?
yes, we will join but not like before, we have learned our lesson now it's time to eat a lot of humble pie, having us back in will strengthen the EU, and yes we will have to reapply and accept things like the Euro which is an excellent thing, a lot of things will be changing in the next few years, on both side,
Still canât believe the election is being held on American Independence Day đ
And on this day we elect that , that land is ours again . Letâs go , redcoats.
Who cares about that
Why? itâs an irrelevant day to europeans. The world doesnât revolve around the US
@@ant11368 I'm just memeing ngl, but it is kinda funny
The UK was originally provided way too many Opt outs and benefits. If the UK wants to join, no more opt outs. Euro, Schengen and Single Market.
Don't get me wrong, I love the UK, and I realise that not all countries want to completely join the EU and want some level of national autonomy (Such as Norway, Iceland and switzerland), but these countries also pay taxes to the EU and follow (at least most) of EU laws, something that the UK doesn't want to.
You're either in, or out.
Oh, and if you want to come back in, you go through the current process that all other countries are going through.
I would like to rejoin but it seems like we have to sit in the chair we've made for now.
If rhe UK rejoins the EU this time they will not have any opt-outs nor privileges!
They have to adopt the Euro, they have to be part of Schengen, and all the other stuff.
They have to accept that they will be part of a team, and should not act like a jerk as previously.
Yes. As @vaclav⊠points out (above), it is silly to use the term "rejoin." Britain must now apply to join as a new addition to the EU, and agree to all the requirements. Brexit was the stupidest thing that Britain has ever done.
If the UK wants to stay relevant it should join back the club
Lol the UK would have to forget their trade agreements with the USA and Canada đ
The UK tried to pursue a free trade agreement with the USA, which is still pending because according to the USA, the UK has nothing of value to offer them.
@@beasley1232 You're not paying attention: the EU has much better agreements with the USA and Canada. Rejoining the EU would give these better agreements back to the UK.
@@beasley1232 Probably also those with Australia and New Zealand and leave the CTPPT (or whatever) as well. But the EU has deals with New Zealand and 9 of the 11 members of the Pacific organisation anyway. The Australia deal didn't go though because of hormone treated beef, Strange that some Aussie beef producers don't decide to meet EU regulations like some Americans and Argentinians do. I can buy their beef with the EC mark here in Italy.
I would like them back. As said the 750bn ⏠corona bailout would never happen with UK included. The union is heading even more in the wrong direction now without them. We Swedes often sided with the brits and now without them our voice is drowning.
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@@ciaranReal The Nordic countries should leave and form an alternative to the EU lead by the UK.
In france we have had 5 republics, maybe britain try to compete with our sillyness and try to have 5 brexit follow up with re entering.
Well, us brits always want to outcompete the french. Though perhaps this one wouldn't be one to be proud about...
Patience s'il vous plaĂźt. Nous ne nous sommes pas encore mis d'accord sur un design pour les tumbrils.
As soon as Gibraltar and Northern Ireland are return they will be allow to start negotiating
Return Gibraltar to who tho? Spain, or the USA's oldest ally Morocco?
The USA already recognizes Western Sahara and Gibraltar as Morocco lol.
@@beasley1232 Since the 1713 Treaty of Utrecht, Gibraltar has remained a British Overseas Territory. The U.S. Department of State recognizes Gibraltar as an Overseas Territory of the United Kingdom based on this Treaty.
Western Sahara was recognised as part of Morocco by Trump, with Biden following suit.
@@beasley1232 Gibraltar is attached to Spain, not to Morocco.
â@@beasley1232Go study an atlas. I suspect you've confused Ceuta and Melilla, which are on the African continent, with Gibraltar which hasn't been attached to Morocco or any other part of Africa since before the first of us modified chimps first clapped eyes on it.
*Nice video!*
I would suggest you could make a video about how đŠđČArmenia could apply to become the 10th Candidate country too - as a lot of media outlets are estimating this year!!
Iâm an American with relative in England. To me, even if you got over every other hurdle to rejoining the EU, there would be one thing that would prevent it. Itâs the same as if such an idea were proposed here. Brits will never adopt the Euro. Of all the things theyâre attached to, that would be the last thing theyâd let go - much like how Americans would never adopt another currency to replace the Dollar (no matter what the tech-bro crypto-pushers try to say). And it seems to me that one of the conditions of the UK rejoining the EU would be âIf youâre in, you are IN - none of this halfway crapâ. I think youâll see an independent Scotland in the EU before the UK.
I think an independent Scotland will definetly happen before the UK re-joins. We should really just get it over and done with and rejoin now to save the embarrassment of grovelling on our knees to come back a divided and further weakened nation.
No cherry picking. No renegotiation.
No bloody tories with any luck
I am pro EU as an english teen, but i am not a fan of the sentiment of punishing us for re-joining. Many young people share the view that the EU is a positive thing, not to mention the original vote was incredibly close to begin with. The vote was 52.89%/47.11% in favour of leaving, that's half of british citizens that never wanted this in the first place, so why do all the europeans in the comment section want to force us to drive on the other side of the road when we have no road connections, use the same currency, pay joining fees and the like? Britain as a whole was manipulated and lied to by untrustworthy politicians spewing their puppeteer's crap about the EU, and we see a shift back in favour due to a reversal of these sentiments now that the media and their sponsors have got what they wanted.
At the base of it all, it's not about the countries as a whole, but the people. The people of europe, in my opinion, should not have to be so divided. We share common goals, ways of life and national interests, so why be so bitter about this all? I think, it seems, that everyone focuses too much on the nation of Britain itself and the overall outcome of brexit and not enough thought is given to those who live it and oppose it within britain.
I'm afraid that wishful thinking does not align with the "realpolitik" of any political organisation of which the EU is one. Its core goals have not changed since they were stated in the Schuman Declaration of 1950, which I partially quote, "an ever increasing social, economic and political inter-dependency and integration between the member states". The EU has moved on since 2016. It is no longer the EU the UK left. For example, the Copenhagen Criteria made the adoption of the euro mandatory which was not the case when Sweden and the UK joined. The EU 27 are not "punishing" the UK. The UK legally and legitimately according to article 50 decided to not only leave the EU but also the Single Market and Customs Union,. thus becoming a third country. Article 50 para. 3. "The Treaties shall cease to apply to the State in question from the date of entry into force of the withdrawal agreement or, failing that, two years after the notification referred to in paragraph 2, unless the European Council, in agreement with the Member State concerned, unanimously decides to extend this period." The period was, in fact, extended for the UK. Hardly a punitive action? So the EU, under WTO rules, has to treat the UK like any other third country, except for what has been agreed between the UK and the EU in the TCA. The TCA is up for review/audit, not renegotiation, in May 2026. The review will consider the implementation status of the Trade and Cooperation Agreement and the fulfillment by the parties of their obligations under it. As of now the UK has not fully complied with its obligations regarding import controls. Will it have by May 2026? Who renegotiates with someone who has not yet fulfilled their existing contractual obligations? The UK has forfeited trust and it is not forgotten in the EU that a UK government Minister could stand up in the Commons and blithely say that the UK could legitimately "break international law if only in a specific and limited way". Do you really think that anyone would not be very sceptical and wary in dealing with a country where such a statement could be made without national condemnation? The EU is content with the TCA as it stands. There are 27 sovreign states and their 400 million plus citizens that have to be thought about before reopening the can of worms that negotiating with the UK would entail. Particularly, because the UK being such a large and important member, its exit was, for a brief period , considered to be an existential threat to the union itself. I'm afraid it's a case of once bitten twice shy but since you're a teenager you might just live to actually see re.entry as a grandfather but before then I doubt it very much ,
â@@maxharbig1167Perhaps it should?
@@howardrisby9621 What should what?
I hate when people pronounce "nuclear" as "nucular" đ
Nucular
You mean mispronounce
â@@walterrudich2175A veritable đŻ for the Pedants' Revolt!!
It is almost certain that Labour will form the next government, it will be an opportunity for Labour to begin talks of introducing PR with other parties Libdems and Greens.
They can also throw a lot of wrenches into the works of the EU like before... they wanted all benefits but give none.
No thanks. i don't have the appetite to rejoin
Starmer already states the UK won't. Anyway, they would be forced to adopt the euro, so... They're doomed. No privileges this time
Can you even trust what Starmer has to say?
@@smashingthreeplates2171 I shouldn't. Starmer has taken back so many opinions. But there are objective difficulties. If the Brits are ready to accept the euro and Schengen, to rebuild their Constitution (which is not a Constitution) and so on, then they might be in, and I'd be ok with that
@@mrantipatia1872It would be difficult. But I think Labour is most likely going to win a landslide majority in July, so that wonât be an issue. The issue is trying to negotiate with EU member states, and not to piss off the rural working class of the Labour Party.
@@smashingthreeplates2171 I've already told my opinion. There will be no favours this time. The British people must be ready to "turn European" if they want to rejoin. I'm not sure they won't be in by this government
@@mrantipatia1872 Iâm just adding on to what youâre saying.
At 02:45, the Schengen Area does not include Ireland. Ireland can never join Schengen unless the UK does (and vice versa) as there is a Common Travel Area between the UK and Ireland, and a land border between Northern Ireland and the rest of Ireland.
In 1975, Labour's position on the EEC was not unified, with a split between left and right factions caused b anti-market sentiments, leading to confusion and dissent within the party.
Exactly like David Cameron did, Harold Wilson opted for a national referendum to address party unity issues and to present the Labour Party as more democratic.
This confusion remains today despite a shift towards supporting EEC membership in the late 1980s under Neil Kinnock's leadership.
Both major parties have deep-seated divisions over Europe, impacting uk governance and its approach to Brexit.
So, rejoining under Labour or the Tories seems unlikely.
100% agree! Welcome to rejoin as a member supporting EU project at fullest! â€
Because UK would be a contribution payer, EU would have benefits of rejoinment of UK. Macron stated te idea of a Multi Tears EU constitution reform. Which could make it possible, that Norway, Switzerland, Turkey etc. could join gradually EU, without harming EU to much. And with such an approach an UK rejoinment would be simplyfied.
This thing about net contributors and receivers is very badly understood, it is only a balance sheet of tax contributions, it does not take into account the economic revenues due to belonging to the single market. Also because if we reasoned like this, the richest regions of each nation would have to separate.
They should join as a regular member without any privileges. They should be obligued to change their constitution to forbide any party or ideology against the EU
More important question will some Member allow the rejoin? Maybe Greece will Veto until they will have back their historical tresure, Spain maybe want Gibrotle and Ireland let say want a united island, and Frence will be french... Each one of this country has 1 or more reason to veto this
Short term: it won't happen. Medium term: it'll likely rejoin the single market if it doesn't secure a trade deal with the US & EU gets a deal with India or if the EU will give the UK opt outs like being able to use the Pound & no schenghen it'll probably rejoin. Long term: it's inevitable the UK will rejoin simply due to the fact that the vast majority of people in the 18 - 44 age bracket want to rejoin & are against brexit couple that with children aged 16 & 17 being able to vote soon the pro rejoin camp will only grow.
_it'll likely rejoin the single market_ Single Market access is a privilege that's reserved for EU and EFTA members. The UK is neither. And 'the vast majority of the UK want to rejoin' is fine in regards to the UK applying for a second EU membership. The UK can *ask* but it's the EU that will either grant or refuse membership. To be accepted as a member you need the approval of 38 regional and national parliaments plus the EU parliament. One veto and the application will be denied. Considering the UK/s behaviour since 2016: what do you think is the chance that there won't be any vetoes?
ââ@@maartenaalsmeer you don't need to be in the EU or EFTA to be in the single market. I don't think there will be vetoes b/c 1. The change in government & attitude of the British people when it comes to the EU has changed. 2. Believe it or not having the UK in the EU only makes the EU a hell of a lot stronger & gives it more clout on the world stage. 3. Ireland
@@Lando-kx6so _you don't need to be in the EU or EFTA to be in the single market_ But you do. You not knowing this simple fact and even denying it when its pointed out to you is very British. No knowledge of the EU and thinking the UK can cherry-pick its way back in is also quite British.
âââ@@maartenaalsmeerit will probably rejoin IF the UK is unable to secure a trade deal with the USA and other Pacific nations.
There is already a trade deal among Pacific nations like Canada, Mexico, USA, Chile, Australia, the Philippines, Japan etc which the UK has been trying to increase trade between.
@@beasley1232 'Rejoining' is not up to the UK. All it can do is apply for a new membership. But it's the EU that will decide. To be accepted as a member the UK would need the approval of 38 regional and national parliaments plus the EU parliament. *One veto and the application is denied* so chances for the UK are *very* slim, to say the least.
Your statement that the UK is a ârich Countryâ is based on the history but is no longer actual. The UK is facing a steep decline and is falling below the EU average by real GDP per capita. The EU does not need one more poor half bankrupt member state.
What an utterly biased hateful post. While it may be true the UK is on the decline, it still has a large GDP per capita higher than even France and Italy. The UK was also the 2nd largest contributor to the EU budget before leaving not mentioning the benefits of London and British Universities. So cry all you want, the UK is still a rich country.
@@ryandanngetich2524UK gdp per capita ppp has fallen below Frenceâs one (France: 58,8K; UK 56,8K) and the UK average income is projected by the British authorities themselves to fall even below the Polandâs one within the next decade. Hence, I am truly sorry if this hurts your ego, but Britain is no longer a rich Country.
â@dariob4997 You clearly wish so but it isn't. Britain is till a rich country love it or hate it. Revised figures puts us ppp per capita ahead of Frances now as the UK has overtaken them PPP gdp. By your logic the 190 + countries if the world are poor since Britain is on the top 30 per capita and top 10 GdP. However much Anti-British sentiment you have, it will not skew the facts
Rather not the uk after Hungary was one of the most incorporetive counties in the eu.
No way. Lots of EU member states have benefited from Brexit. They are enjoying their new found wealth and are not about to give up. It takes only one to object and the deal is off
Just because one declines doesnt mean those that oppose can't work together to settle it. That's part of the final processes of EU membership.
The issue is with the UK is that Scotland voted overwhelmingly to remain in the EU, and the six occupied counties in Ireland also voted for the same. Should there be referenda in the near future that succeed in seeing an independent Scotland and a reunified Ireland, England is going to be in an even tougher position to remain out of the EU.
OMG you're Minecraft Steve!
Driving on the left is one of the charms of Great Britain. As someone who lives in Holland, it really disorients me. You should always pay attention to which side to drive when leaving a parking lot, for example. I almost had an accident too, but that also applies to the British who come to the continent. In 1973 when Great Britain entered the European Union I was so happy, well that's all over!
i'd love it if we just switched to the right side, you lot use our plugs! lol
Really don't see the connection with the side of the road a country drives in the rejoin debates. Who cares, Ireland drives on the other side as well
i think they shouldnt rejoin, we already have enough problems with countries like hungary.
but whats much more important then britian is that we need to change the EU itself, its a huge problem that just one country can block everything, stuff shouldnt happen thru majorities.
No,because we will want to leave again soon after re-joining!!
I completely agree with your opinion. Thank you for your videos, it feels real good because I don't get the feeling you want to convince people on a specific thing, much more you freely inform. Thats how it's supposed to be and I enjoy it a lot!
Great to hear :) thank you
I truly hope so
Not on the same terms as before. That ship has long sail! UK made other europeans willing to leave EU, to think again! No more exit!!đ
I wish if uk come back to the EU
A few words of caution. Rejoining would mean compliance with all EU rules and regulations. All of them. Remainers will have to take the flack for regulations that might increase costs or taxes. Plus, we need to remember the EU is not in a good position at the moment. Anti~EU, nationalist sentiment is chamging politics in Europe. This change will eventually affect the EU. Also, no British politician, no matter how pro~EU he or she might be, wants to open the EU can or worms
I donât see why certain exemptions can't be made for a British reentry if reentry is good for both sides. I mean, do we really need to force them to drop the pound when Denmark and Sweden haven't dropped their own currencies?
No it won't happen. The EU will never allow it.
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If the EU did require the hypothetical candidate state UK to adopt the Schengen area, would Ireland also have to as well if they want to avoid checks at the NI-Ireland land border? đ€
I suspect Ireland may have reunified by that point.
@1:29 into the video, you weren't tempted to draw an arrow from Northern Ireland (UK) to Ireland (EU) in your illustration of the UK rejoining the EU, no? đ
As in Ireland simply annexing UK, you mean? :D
There should be a referendum in the E.U. if we want them back! đ
Why would the EU want them back?
Massive economy and military power, like he said in the video
We never wanted them gone. Thats why.
@@roban2799the military part is irrelevant for EU
The current situation is bad for both sides. Particularly the Irish border which still hasn't been properly resolved.
@@abbofun9022 It really isn't. Hopefully the EU will have its own armed forces in a couple of decades.
Whether the UK wants to join the EU, it's likely too soon under the likely Labour government, for one, the EU isn't likely to allow the UK back in and I can think of a few EU members that would block that, and two, I'm not so sure if it will go down well with the people to try to rejoin so soon, and three, and this is the most important one, the British people need to realise that rejoining the EU, there will be no op-outs, in other words, the UK will have to adopt the Euro, Schengen, no rebate and so on, but I think the UK and EU could work something out on the rebate.
Realistically, the best thing the UK can do under a Labour government is heal wounds, create closer ties and maybe even join the single market and custom union, which I think that could be possible over the next 10 years, maybe sooner, but rejoining, I don't see that being a possibility for at least 2, maybe 3 decades with how hostile the UK government and many of the people were, there's also another factor, I can't imagine the EU and many of its members wanting the UK back in unless they see a sizeable shift in how the UK public, the media and political parties see the EU project, in other words, a more constructive member, not obstructive as the UK have been over the last few decades.
Because of the geopolitical situation that's changing around the world with the US, China and Russia, I think it's in the interest of the UK to rejoin the EU, but I also think it's in the interest for the EU to further integrate in key areas like defence and forign policy matters, as well as capital market if we really want to stay competitive and protect our interest, we can do that much better by banding together, but first, the EU is highly unlikely to let any new countries join until there are some major reforms to the EU, especially on veto areas.
Anyway, 14 years of Tory government, you really have to wonder why the people would vote them in when they keep lurching from one mess to another, the Tories over the last 14 years have done major damage to the UK, that the future doesn't look promising, and even with a Labour government, until we know what there real policies are, which we won't know until they are in power, then I wouldn't expect much change, but I would love for Labour to prove me wrong, but history has shown us, not much really changes.
In any case, let's not delude ourselves, there's no way the EU would let the UK rejoin so soon, think of the message that would send to others, that you can just leave and rejoin at will, and as I said above, some in the UK seem to get this impression that if the UK does rejoin the EU, it would be under the terms they had before leaving the EU, there's no way the EU would allow such special treatment, the UK will be treated as a new member, which means no op-outs, if the EU were to allow the UK back in with op-outs, other existing members as well as countries that want to join will set their own conditions, there's no way the EU will want to open up that can of worms, so yes, the UK can rejoin, but it won't be any time soon and it will be as a new member with no op-outs, that message really needs to be drummed in with the UK population so you have a more accurate picture on what rejoining the EU means.
Also, the UK can try to rejoin the EU, be on the waiting list and that will still send a powerful message to other countries to not want to leave, the EU doesn't have to let the UK back in for that message to be heard loud and clear by other members, the UK wanting in will be enough.
The UK will never drop the pound. Why would they get rid of their more successful currency for one that is failing?
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