underworld breach combo explained
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Awesome video! As a beginner in cEDH this step-by-step of the meta combo staples are extremely educational. Thank you mons :D
We all begin somewhere. Right. It was the same for me one time.
Totally agree! I'm in the same boat and it was very useful.
So I just recently got into cedh and I'm building Kykar. Watched this video and you brought him up for the combo so its definitely a sign. Thanks for the great content!
Thank you for doing these kinds of video, as a newbie to cEDH this helps a lot!
People often take for granted that everyone knows about these combos. Sometimes there are people that still need to see the complet run down of it.
Thanks so much for this! been wanting this for a while now :D
Your welcome man.
Thank you. I didn't really understand the combo until now. ;)
your welcome. Glad I could help.
I appreciate your videos Mons. Glad to have met you in Tier1con.
Hi me again with a question
I think that I have found another infinite mill combo but I’m not sure if it is legal. It’s similar to the Lions eye diamond, underworld breach, and brainfreeze combo.
It involves Cormela, the Glamour thief, Goryo’s Vengeance, and Altar of dementia.
Cormela, the Glamour Thief
Haste
Pay 1, tap
: Add U, B, R to your mana pool.
. Spend this mana only to cast instant and/or sorcery spells.
When Cormela, Glamour Thief dies, return up to one target instant or sorcery card from your graveyard to your hand
Goryo’s Vengeance
Return target legendary creature card from your graveyard to the battlefield. That creature gains haste. Exile it at the beginning of the next end step.
Splice onto Arcane
As you cast an Arcane spell, you may reveal this card from your hand and pay its splice cost. If you do, add this card's effects to that spell.)
Altar of Dementia
Sacrifice a creature: Target player mills cards equal to the sacrificed creature's power.
Start….
You pay the one colorless mana ( a land, sol ring, etc) to activate Cormela’s ability
Then you tap her to get one red, one black, and one blue in your mana pool
Then you sac her to alter of dementia. Mill target player equal to Cormela’s power.
You still have a red, a blue and a black mana in your mana pool. Right? You can only use it to cast instants or sorcery spells at this point. I stay in the same phase (Either 1st main phase, combat, or 2nd main phase) so that I don’t lose my mana or have to exile Cormela.
Cormela goes to graveyard
Trigger: then you return Goryo’s vengeance to your hand
You use one black mana and one other color (red or blue) to cast Goryo's vengeance
Return Cormela from your graveyard to play. She has haste but you do not attack with her.
Goryo's vengeance resolves so it goes to your graveyard again.
With the one floating Mana that you have left, which should be blue or red, use it to tap Cormela again to get the one red, one blue, and one black mana again. Then sac her to altar of dementia again
Return Goryo's vengeance to your hand again
Wash. Rinse. Repeat.
If this works it’s kind of cool cause I can mill out, potentially, all my opponents in one phase of my turn. I can also mill myself if I so choose.
This is one of the combos. It works. I don't think it is the standard combo. But it is one of the cool things she can do. So all good. Never be afraid of asking questions.
Thanks I can’t wait to tell my friends
Cheers!
Don't tell them. Destroy them!
@@cedhtv LMAO
Will do!
thanks for this
Amazing video, really good explanation I hope to see more in the future, and watching your videos I already started building the combo but with lotus petal in budget, maybe it can work with kykar easily. But maybe I will go for kess.
I am trying to have everything that is cEDH in this channel. Soo all new combos will see a explination.
@@cedhtv I will see them 😃.
dear mons! keep up the amazing videos!
I will never let you down on that.
Huh, very interesting to see the different ways of playing this combo
I think there are some more ways you can do this that I don't really know about to.
When you play bomberman instead of brain freeze, how do you draw/mill your deck? This only works in thrassios/kenrith right?
Also why do you need breach then when you got bomberman? I feel like im lost
I love your content. Your definitely helping to grease the wheels of my getting into cedh. Just put together you Codie turbo Mai’s build. I’m gonna hit you up on Patreon.
Thank you! I try and play games with Patreons now and then.
Also your idea about more graveyard stuff, I'm SO excited for the return to innistrad. I know they are themed around vampires and werewolves but a man can only hope we'll get some crazy new zombies and spirits/ghost/ghouls
Wish you would've run through an actual scenario once. You started with casting LED 10 times somehow, why? It would take you several loops to even have the cards in your graveyard to pay for something like that. By the time you did that, you'd not actually have enough cards left in your library or graveyard to do 10 more of anything... I run out of cards to exile to UB before I find enough storm copies of BF (and its not really close).
Would forced draw actually get around shuffle titans? The copies of Brain Freeze all resolve one at a time, so whichever copy mills the titan will put the titan trigger on the stack, and before the rest of the Brain Freeze copies resolve, there will still be cards left in that player's deck right? And can't recast Brain Freeze to get around that either, because the original Brain Freeze is still on the stack.
Kenrith can just steal the titan with reanimate of course.
12+13+14+15+16+17+18 is 105 btw
so i think your right about the draw not working, as kozi goes on the stack, i believe the correct approach is reanimate, however kenny can't steal. he reanimates under opponents control.
The draw works. So with a bunch of brain freeze copis on the stack kozi puts itself on top of that stack. Inrespons to the kozi trigger you force draw.
@@cedhtv thanks for explaining Mons!
@@cedhtv It only works if it's in the last three cards (or if you can make your opponent draw enough in response to it). If the titan is, let's say, the 21st card from the bottom and you have 10 brain freezes targetting the opponent left after the titan is milled, the trigger goes on top of the stack and resolves before the 10 brain freezes resolve. Then you mill another 30 cards once the graveyard's already back in the library.
@@cedhtv It doesn't work because it goes 3 at a time. You also cant respond to the trigger with brain freeze or force them to draw because its not likely that it will be in the bottom ~10 and because brain freeze is still on the stack and not in the graveyard. All of the copies of brain freeze go on the stack at the same time and the shuffle trigger will go on the stack while the og brain freeze is still on the stack. This doesn't work.
Most amazing combo ever viable in magic.
I can imagen why you like it.
It started in Legacy and then Wotc banned breach.
You can do budget replacing the lion's eye with lotus petal
correct really good card in general and works great with this strat.
Does the math actually check out on lotus petal though? I'm no math wizard but will one mana vs three mana really work especially when needing to cast other cards just in case for interaction?
@@chrispy6953 it's easy the math:
-play the lotus petal
-play the underworld breach
-play brain freeze, spell count are 2, so you mill 9
-escape petal 2 times for blue and colorless
-escape brain freeze, spell count goes in 5, so you mill 15 cards, repeat until you escape your win condition.
After the first, you have mana to interact.
@@mdlbelc wouldn't that give you just enough Mana to cast freeze the first time loop with no mana left over until you escape petal enough for extra mana? I see how it works now but I feel uneasy about not having that extra mana with two LED cracks in case someone tries to stop you where with petal you have 0 Mana left over and LED you have at least 4 Mana on 1st loop. Correct me if I'm wrong but I only see the extra mana coming from petal once you're in the 2nd part of storming off which yes you can interact but that 1st loop can be crucial for needing to stop someone trying to stop you.
Also math isn't my strongest subject so after a few storm counters I need to use a calculator lol. I was great in science and biology.
I'm totally going use my lotus petal to try out now that I learned it works with petal, but I just want to know what safety net I'll need before going off.
@@chrispy6953 lotus petal can work if you are fueling your graveyard with fetches + cards like faithless looting. I can't afford an LED so I go off with a Lotus Petal. Gotta do math though
Once you are fully milled out you cast thassas oracle with counter support
Yo cool video, i actually use this wincon with elsha
its a great wincon for elsha.
I'm running this I'm my melek deck
It's such a good combo, It can be turboed out and end games on the spot
I’m offended that the reshuffle effect is referred to as Kosilek effect and not Gaeas blessing effect
oh your old school :)
@@cedhtv :)
I think in the current meta, it has shown me that brainfreeze is the better option, with all the tutor to top going on.
Thing is brain freeze dosen't do much unless someone top deck manipulate. But sure when someone dose it is really good.
u can also do this with lotus petal i think if my calculations are correct :) .
great video once agains mons keep up the good work !
Yes, but you'll need a bit more cards in graveyard. Exile 42 cards for 14 mana with storm count 15 (or more), then Brain Freeze for a total of around 130 times.
@@xdavid00 true but defintly worth it if u play in a more budget variant and dont want to pay 300 euros for one LED als opens up easy thassa's oracle winlines then :).
@@Tobba3 Yes, LED is hella expensive. I think the only major downside of Lotus Petal is running into things like Thalia (and not being able to use it with Auriok Salvagers and Wheel of Fortune). The extra storm counts make up for having to exile more cards from graveyard anyway.
Also doesn't discard, which could be good or bad.
I have a super idea for a video! „How to get your combos“. A video specifically about getting various combos into play.
P.S: I am playing a grixis Deck and mostly i work with enchantment + equipment/artefakt, in case you want to mention that in the video.
Giving away all my precious secrets! :P
Great Video Mans!!
I Like how you tied Ad Nauseam angel's grace into the combo.
Nice thanks u
I would love to see an updated gitrog deck primer
And….they….die….
I love the video my only question is with Cephalid Coliseum. (Assuming 2 players have shuffle titans) How do you repeat the process on the same turn? Don't you need to replay Cephalid Coliseum in order to sac it again? In which case you already played your land for turn or am I missing something?
What are your thoughts on LED + Breach with Wheel of Fortune instead of Brainfreeze? To me Wheel looks more attractive because it's a stronger standalone card but maybe I'm missing something.
It can frizzell. brain freeze is really consistent. You can give an opponent interaction like force of will during the run and sometime you have to exile combo pieces. It usally works and you usally have it in the deck aswell but it isn't equally safe.
I'm actually going to save up for LED. What commander is everyone using this combo with?
Thanks mons, i was gonna play a list with my friends but was apprehensive about the Brain Freeze combo in it
Can you please tell me where you found that gorgeous background you used for this video?
Also what happens if you don’t have an LED for the combo?
thats the art for valakut the molten pinnacle
Lotus petal dose a decent good work.
Laggy Potato my bad I meant the art starting at 2:55
@@mikebarker1306 Found it www.pinterest.com/pin/601019512742555331/
Don't sleep on Mind's Desire. Would work great with Thassa's Oracle as a finisher.
I think the more fun move with Kenrith in play is to reanimate Kozilek for them with the trigger on the stack. Here you go, have a Kozilek in play, and I will continue to mill you out. :)
hey man, lotus petal works in the place of led?
yea you just dont net as much mana and works better if you have a cost reducer on board like helm of awakening
The true combo here is go to 3:35, wait for "THEY DIE" then fast-forward 20 seconds, wait for "THEY DIE" then skip another 30 seconds
Laughed harder than I probably should have 😂
I need to update my list to have brain freeze! I keep forgetting.
Yes you do Tris :P
So casting LED multiple times works with the discard the hand activation cost?
discarding your had isnt and activation cost, its just a drawback to using LED, so if you have no hand no drawback
correct well said Larry.
@@larryrobinson2373 I've looked into it since I posted... It is a cost because it's before the ":", but I understand now that the hand is a game zone so the fact that there is no card in it doesn't stop the action of discarding a hand of 0 cards. Now if it said discard 2 cards (for example), then it wouldn't work more than the 1 time, unless you have a way to draw in between
To elsha or to demonic tutor...that is the question
That is a really good question.
Ever seen the croods in every story they DIE!!!
Basically.
You just counter breach. Problem solved.
That is a good way of dealing with it. I prefer stax cards like rule of law tho.
@@cedhtv that also works lol
Or you just let your opponent demonic consultation naming breach and hope breach 2nd from the bottom 😂😂
@@Amprae funny demonic consolation story.
My Thasa's Oracle got countered, I named Oko. Oko was 6 from the bottom. My friends thought I was going to reanimate Oracle so the shuffled her into my 6 card library.
On my upkeep I cast as many cantrips as I can. Drew Oracle, 2 cards left, cast Thasa's.
Profit. lol.
I seriously thought I lost because of that consolation but I got way too lucky by having all those cantrips and 6 cards left since I don't have a tainted pact yet.
What about when dealing with a card like Nexus of Fate?
same like kozilek. That is also A trigger I belive.
Nexus is worded as if it “would” go into the gy, unlike kozilek, so it triggers immediately.right?
I don't think it would be a problem however. I am sure there is a way to figur it out on how to kill them anyways.
and then they diiie.... :)
worth noting on the kozilek with kenrith and cephalid is that the draw only works if kozilek is in bottom 3 or you have the mana to counter brainfreeze and cast it again in pool in response to kozilek shuffle. This is because brainfreeze is several instances off mill 3 that can be responded to and not one huge chunk
You can however reanimate him in response and then mill with kenrith
I'm just happy to see a combo that isn't the fish
Even tho fish is actually in it from time to time?
yea im so tired of the fish i took her out of my build and run rolling earthquake/angel's grace combo