How boozers bypassed this ban
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- čas přidán 30. 03. 2024
- Stuart Goldsmith, Sophie Ward and Katie Steckles face a question about alcohol ban avoidance.
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Police chief is actually quoted as "If I would have known about it, I would have joined them."
Clearly they were on an unlicensed hovercraft
That was my immediate conclusion, given how well the hovercraft-bar skirted the law!
@@samuelmellars7855 Skirted, hehe
Exactly my first thought. What have you done to my thought process Tom Scott? 😂
One that was full of eels?
I cracked up listening back at my own delay in understanding Stuart's cocktail joke, and it was even better to see it caught on video. Thanks so much for having me Tom !!
It was a great line. Hope you can join us again soon!
Fun fact, the Coromandel peninsula in New Zealand is named after the British Ship, HMS Coromandel. Which is named after the Indian Coromandel Coast. Which derives it's name from the Tamil word Cholamandalam that was then translated into Portuguese. And that name means "Land of the Cholas" referring to a South Indian dynasty from 1000 BC
Which makes the New Zealand coast named after a dynasty all the way from India from 3000 years ago, which was then translated into 3 languages and copied over 3 separate times
Reminds me of the city of Philadelphia in the United States.
Named after the Greek (City of) "Brotherly Love", which was borrowed from the no longer used ancient name of a city in modern day Turkey because it was founded by a Greek king in honour of his brother, which was borrowed from the nickname of another Greek King who ruled over Egypt about 2300 years ago, who was referred to as a derisive because he married his sister.
Philly is a trash city
I'm Tamil and I never would've made the connection between Coromandel and Cholamandalam, even though we ourselves have tons of places named Coromandel. Thanks for this!
I'm a bit late to the party, but I'll add that Mandarin has a similar story, also winding back through the Portuguese and India.
The tale I heard is that, in exchange for tribute and such, China would send court officials to help the royalty down on the Malay peninsula. When the Portuguese came by to ask who those fancy-looking foreign fellas were, they were told they were Menteri, which the English later used and wrote as Mandarin, to refer to those people, their language, and their lovely oranges.
Menteri was from Mantram, which meant "the ones who give the mantras" or such, which is a holdover from the Hindu/Indian roots of the trading civilizations that took root in that area a long while ago. Any wise or important person was referred to with that word eventually, but at first it was for the people who, y'know. What it says on the tin. So over several thousand years, we get Mandarin from Mantra.
2.52 THE HOVER PUB IS ALIVE!
The great rallying cry "TECHNIALLY LEGAL!"
Dang it! I really thought it was gonna be jello shots. "We aren't drinking, we're eating dessert!"
Yeah, people have tried that. But usually the legal phrase is "consuming alcohol" so that doesn't work.
A desserted island?
"Other search engines are apparently available but I've never heard of any "
Not a British person here, but thanks to Tom's videos, I now immediately recognized that as a very British thing to say.
EDIT to add *spoiler* I guess since the youtube app will show comments even if you didn't ask for them
The BBC article has the title "New Zealanders build island in bid to avoid alcohol ban" for people wanting the photos
it's honestly much more impressive than i expected
Thank you!
Great spoiler, really appreciate it.
@@davidnickels1265 ❤️
""That's creative thinking - if I had known [about it] I probably would have joined them," said local police commander Inspector John Kelly when told about the sand island. "
Just place the table on a lazy susan right on the border between two states. Pour the drinks on one side, rotate the table, drink on the other side: no drinks were technically _served._
What I'm missing in these highlights is a mention of which episide they come from..
As a New Zealander I didn't actually remember the details but on learning them again, I did think "Yeah, that sounds like us."
Before watching this: surroundings of a peninsula screems to me that they were on a boat.
Wrong, but a consistent red herring throughout.
I find that sometimes the ones where I already know the answer can be more fun.
I dismissed going into international waters be ause of thd 12 nautical mile limit, which meant that I kept coming up with increasingly crazier hypotheticals.
At college, selling of alcohol was prohibited, but not consumption. So the campus cafeteria/bar started giving beer as a free complement when someone bought chips that cost the price of chips+beer
How and when did "ball park", as a colloquial reference to approximation get into British English?
Due to greater access to international television, the phrase "ball park figure" entered the British lexicon in 1991, replacing the clunkier idiom "Cricket Pitch Estimation".
@@2P4E "Cricket Pitch Estimation"
I'm definitely going to adopt that one.
Great line up this week!
I remember this being in the news at the time! Additionally, due to an actual loophole in our laws, it's legal to drink and drive in NZ, as long as you're over 20 years old stay under the legal limit.
I've heard of something like this but I thought it was on a sandbar or something! Something temporary that's usually underwater
That picture is indeed awesome ^^
I remember that news story!
The thumbnail had me assume was a question of prohibition. Can't sell drinks, but can give you a drink with this weirdly expensive sandwich.
3:23 awesome joke, love that you can see Sophie get it like half a second later haha
I was looking away from the screen when this started and did a double take when I looked and saw Tom with gray hair. Stuart's voice has such a similar cadence to Tom's.
I love the temporal idea. Like, could there be some argument that you swigged from the bottle in one year and swallowed the liquor in a different year, so somehow you can't be done for it either time? I bet there's a law somewhere that permits that kind of shenanigan...
Initial thoughts: I don't know anything about "Coromandel". A timezone shenanigan of it being yesterday/tomorrow doesn't sound Lateral enough.
Maybe they simply tied a floating picnic table to a ship that's outside the jurisdiction (e.g. international waters)?
Immediate guess after hearing the question: peninsula, so "surroundings" are mostly water, so they tried to say they were in international waters where the local law didn't apply?
Edit: at 2:32, I'm adding "they strapped an outboard motor to a picnic table"
It felt so obvious to me because there are so many cases of casinos using loopholes by being on the water
First guess, which I think would be too easy since it is common practice where I live: is to just set up a temporary fenced-in area.
There is a suburb in Sydney called Haberfield, which was set up with restrictive covenant that there are to be no pubs in its borders.
It does have a licenced club however. Haberfield is on the Parramatta River which flows into the Harbour. The Rowers Club is built on piers over the river to get around the ban.
In i think London there was a table and seats up in mid air. Was it this?
All the way through I was thinking that the ban applied on the beach, but they were up in a tree.
I just Googled the photo. They didn't build themselves much space, did they? Not even space for a fridge or a toilet.
I was thinking it would either be like those people who claimed to be doing an improvised stage play in order to smoke, or that they waited for the tide to cut off the peninsula so that the cops couldn't apprehend them.
In the latter case I was thinking it might be similar to drug laws where possession is the crime, not intoxication. If that was a viable option then they could arguably stop drinking before the tide we went out and claim that they were drinking earlier, but weren't actually drinking when they were arrested/issued the fine.
Haha, that poto is hillarious, what an impressive island!
Sophie Ward!
I was hoping the answer would be that they brought large curtains and toilets, thus making a latrine which is not technically public
My first thought was that they just brought some sort of marquee or tent, but I like your version better.
the instant guess was one of those pedal cars where four people pedal a moving picknic table.
The big question is why weren't they just allowed their drinks in the first place?
Laws around being overly drunk in a public place or certain behaviours related to drinking make sense, but out right banning drinking any alcohol is odd.
Do they never have public events that serve alcohol or have bring your own, or do they have to say fence it off and declare it a private event? Or do people never have alcohol with picnics? Imagine a parent being arrested on their family picnic because they had a single weak lager or cider with their food!
Or is it one of those outdated laws that's not really enforced anymore?
In states some gambling places are on boats to get around local gambling laws
Were they drinking in a boat on land, or an 'artistic' approximation of one?
30 seconds in, I'm going with they were mimes and they pretended they were in an invisible house
The ban was for beaches, and after tide thir island was not part of a banned beach.
It was for public spaces according to the BBC article about it.
@@mnm1273 You are probably right, I might have misread the article, still feel like it would have been more of the hustle to get to them and enforce alcohol ban than to ignore and joke a about it. :) Plus they were not in international waters but still not on the beach where they were enforcing it.
Is that's like Tom's hovercraft bar?
But...where are Soph's notes? ;-)
The alcohol has Diplomatic Immunity .
My first thought was
Spoiler protection just in case it’s it
That New Zealand is quite close to the international date line.
3:30 did they build a platform to sit and drink on, so they were technically at sea instead of in the territory?
6:00 I was in the right general area. but still far off.
Man, I had roughly managed to guess the answer, but dismissed it because of the very reason mentioned at the end being in the forefront of my mind as a disqualification of it being a sensible excuse.
I guess I am too aware of those sorts of things to be able to entertain it as a good approach.
Was it technically private land rather than public land?
It was a peninsula, so was the tide raised and made it technically an island which would exempt it from the local laws?
Initial guess: bouncy castle
Edit: Not even close
Before watch: I'm pretty sure I've read this one, they made an artificial island/partied on a small isalnd near the peninsula
Did they invite the Yongy Bongy Bo?
Oh wow, I got it instantly because Max Fosh did a video where he committed a crime on an unregistered dinghy 12 nm from shore--claiming it's on 'international waters'. Guess they should've done the same amount of research as Max did lol
I dont know if im gaslighting myself, but wasnt this in a technical difficulties episode?
I miss the Tom Scott channel
"Police officers on duty drink for free." And once the police officers are drunk, they cannot be on duty anymore, therefore they're not able to do something against the public drinking.
Edit: Ok, I was wrong.
Spoiler:
International waters and boat/island came to me right at the very beginning, because of the phrasing of the question, but since it would be extremely obviously not lawful I assumed there must be some local quirk to the boundary rule at the very least, so I'm not feeling like the correct solution satisfies me very much 😂 Creativity is a strong phrase, loads of people around the world do semi-criminal things a few hundred feet from the coast so there must be tons of stories like this one out there?
I also thought of international waters quickly but discarded the idea because I knew you'd have to be pretty far out for that to apply and therefore the police would be unlikely to drop by!
Doesn’t seem clever at all. Probably drunk when they came up with the idea. Everyone should know boarders extend into the sea.
Sophie has a really sexy voice.