Saxon v Coxsone - Soundsystem History pt1
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- Dennis Rowe (Saxon Studio) & Blacker Dread (Sir Coxsone) go head-to-head, as they recall the bitter rivalry, of how their respective sound systems rose to prominence in the early 1970's UK reggae scene. The show was net-casted in 2007 and presented by DJ Senior P, in a series called: Sound System History, on www.genesisradio.co.uk
Love the sound system,grew up in the late night blues back in the day.
Nuff respect to all sound man inna de world.
Peace and one love....
My father followed both, also Jah Shaka!!
RIP Daddy, Jah Roy H Rattray missing you...x
Thanks for posting
yea mon respect to all roots soundsystems positive vibes.. no negativity in this world...Strickly sweet reggae music nice up the session
History!
I was told by an elder that the tune that Blacka Dread was talking about, that Fatman played against Shaka, was called "Horseface Shaka" and, due to this tune, Shaka swore that he would NEVER play with Fatman ever again. I think that, to this day, Shaka has never played with Fatman in the same dance.
Respect due to these sounds they shaped all sounds in UK
Fatman Sound, Jah Shaka,
Sir Coxsone,Mafia Tone
Quaker City,Saxon Studio,
King Tubbys & Lord Koos
...or I should say - Ourstory!
As I recall the pursuit of music and sound systems kept many a youth out of trouble back then. Groups settled differences with the skanking challenges on the floor - not killing each other over turf they didn't even own.
If economic power is running countries and nations into bankruptcy then yes they have it, and all colours are suffering for it.
I believe power is achieved with cohesion. If all we do is undermine each other then how will we achieve anything
Both Saxon v Coxsone are uk foundation soundsystems which are Indirectly and directly responsible for many of the advancements of todays generation and few really know this, trust ;). Clearly mentioned in a book titled; "Ghetto Boy's road to Success!"
Ur right my grandad was the original dj for sir coxone sounds
thanks lance man yes I remember lord rocket playin severall gigs in Manchester.. when I was about 13 ?I used to stand by skylark in the Monton House ready to watch the sound system ..
Nuff respect to these two bastions of the sound system era. They helped to keep our cultural identity alive in the face of blatant racism!. Men of any colour often have the enthusiasm of children when reminiscing past glories, music ,cars, women . Better a child than an old fart I say.
Who conducted the 'white people laughing at us survey??' ...and who gives a toss??
Bless up from the Original OFFICIAL Tippa Irie channel (since 2009)
VERY NICE!
My grandad was the original dj from Kingston Jamaica and had songs fresh from yard his name was Herman George Miller born 3/11/39
Wicked tings me brother a dat me love. An true me love it me ago post some coxsone dance this week, me have most of the coxsone/saxon dances watch it the post a come
Respect jetblakink
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I hear you. However the interview is over an hour long. This is just the beginning and a very good place to start.
Mighty diamonds, i need a roof ....big tune
Real soundmen!!!
@cdrom5 ...and make it a BIG slice too!" LOL. Very wise words fam.
@cdrom5 I remember them skanking challenges back in the day. Peckham vs Brixton, Wandsworth man dem v Junction, Lewisham v Deptford... Rivalry was intense, but you are right about not trying to kill each other (most of the time). If my memory serves me correctly, it did spill over into ruff and tumble couple times. Usually after that Cultural roots tune, Mr Boss man, which for some reason used to get us into war mode. Something to do with the bassline methinks. "bra-braa bra-braa bra-braaah!..
Brilliant :)
lovely, I think there needs to be more of Saxon. Where is the saxon old footage?
@jetblakink We lived in Camberwell but followed Lord Shane from Peckham. There was a guy called Albert . Baddest skanker bar none !! The brother had new moves every week and people used to just stand and watch him.No mobiles back then but I wish someone could have filmed him. True Jetblakink there was fights, but the violence was not on the scale it is now. People can call these sound sytems and their followers childish but Shaka, Coxone and Saxone have travelled the world playing to the masses
@jetblakink Yes dready..and if the cake is too much for you and me.....we can give to others or teach them how to get theirs...biggup to this forum and all the positive contructive contributers
Jah Shaka play
1.Creation Dubs
2. Jahoviah
3.Kunte Kinte
4 Moulding
Fatman Played
1. It must Hell
2.Hugh Brown Special
3 Mission Impossible
4. Horace Andy Take 5 riddim
Sir Coxsone
1.Homeward Bound nuff cuts
Fatman and Jah Shaka
Rivalry started at
The Red Lion Pub
Leyton stone.
Then Nightingale Pub
Wood Green
Phebes Club
Stoke Newington
There was always a rivalry between North & South London Sounds.
But yes Club Noreik did ram people on top of speakers also the balcony ledge
Red Lion
where was monton house now? i only know westwood st and polish club. i also know bout the nile club... watching them man with the sound was wicked! lord rocket my dad he passed away thou in January..
when you do ah interview turn music off or way down bless up still
@ninjanbounti A role model is the leading example in a particular field. D. Rowe and Blacker Dread have reached this point. If you listen, you will hear them share years of experience in the sound system field. There are many younger people who have tried to emulate the example of these two over the years. Not only do I claim this as MY country, as a black man and an original inhabitant of Earth, I claim the whole PLANET! But then that's just me, I'm not fazed by what white people do or say.
@ninjanbounti How you can describe a historical conversation about two top sounds systems in London, as petty I'll never know. Especially when a whole generation of black youth came up emulating these guys as role models. If we had this level of engagement today from our elders, maybe there would not be the killings you mention. YOU may not be interested in what is being said here, but that does not make it petty. By the way, my view is that this is MY country, and shall do as I please in it.
Lance Nile and Reno was Princess road Monton house was one down from Lloyd St. just off great western St : I am sorry to hear about your dad a great sound system from those days although I never new him personally I seem to remember a very well lit amp: Do you still have his rocket rig? and gigs at a club at the end of Alexandra road although I can`t remember the name of it : Persian was the main man in the reno and they still have reunions for the reno people: and theres a website google Reno:
about 1974/75
@ninjanbounti Its clear to me (and should be to anyone reading these comments) that you have nothing sensible left to say. Let it go... I display what I want on my page!
It's good to see man I have not seen for years. I was at Noriek that night and Shaka tore Fatman and Coxsone apart. Noriek was in Fatman turf. Fatman only played Horseface because Shaka shamed him. Big up to all the sound man dem
what happen to manchester sounds Sky lark :lord Cas :Persian from the 70s
sky lark lives in nottingham him retire. lord cas is back home in jamaica do you know lord rocket
?If this isn't my country then where the hell is ??
Born here, educated here, work here, pay tax here. If you're smart you find opportunities the do well !!..I don't care who's cake it's perceived to be ...as long as I get my slice....
Respec the history but nuff of these souds forgot about Unity High Power, they used to beat Saxon. Even Small Axe beat Saxon.
@ninjanbounti contradiction
@ninjanbounti The idea that there is some connection between me not being fazed by what white people say or do, and allowing a clip by the nation of Islam onto my page, illustrates a sad attempt at a legitimate argument on your part. Maybe in your mixed up understanding of what it is you think I am about, you are able to justify what you seem to see as a contraction. If anyone is confused, it is surely you. Your view of things carries no weight on my page. You're wasting your weak words here.
@ninjanbounti I fail to see why black people should be concerned about what white people laugh at. If we allow that to have any bearing on what we do, or don't do, then God help us. No one laughs when ageing rockers make documentaries about the swinging 60's and roaring 70's... and yes, some of them are still playing today.
Wolverhampton "the pig pen" Coxsone mashed up The midlands