@@davidkirathe7058 just look at kenya a so called religous country, they worship wealth more than money, everyonw belives in god yet they cant wait for their chance to plunder or steal .
Even his all powerful and all knowing father regretted that the humans he made were "sinning" if he's all powerful and knowing why didn't he make a world he wouldn't regret? He's also all good but goes ahead and creates evil anyways. And lastly his spoiled kid flies to space without a space suit no wonder why he never returned :)
If the Bible was written to specific persons, how do we fix ourselves in the same bible where our names have not been mentioned? How do you apply a letter to Corinthians to a church in Nairobi? I think the pastor can get a better argument
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@@SecularKenyan hey man… I have debated within myself whether to comment here or not… Let me start by saying I am a christian, & I hope that does not put you off immediately. Secondly, I appreciate the concerns you raise in this talk. It is very sad that questions regarding faith are not usually answered well, leading to people losing their faith. I have contended with the issues myself, but I still remain a believer. Which is why I comment. I would really like to engage with you on some of this topics. Not because I have all the answers 😂, believe me I don’t. When I say engage you I don’t mean that in any combative way. I only wish to listen to your concerns & only give answers where I can. In other words, I would like to have conversations with you about these issues. Not to convert you or win some debate, but just to talk. I don’t know if that is even possible. But in case you see this & are interested, let me know. At the risk of repetition, I have really had a conflict within on whether or not to write this comment (for months now I believe). So I’m taking my shot to see what happens (fingers shaking as I type). Feel free to ignore or turn me down, its all good 😊. But I really wish to engage in this kind of talks (& to be clear, I don’t mean on national television 😂). Anywho, 🖖🏾😎
My Friend. If you refuse to depend on your God given mind. The perfect reasoning that the same God gave you you'll only be be used as a tool. Why do you think people are being convinced to starve to death all in God's name???
Applying logic is not finding fault! If you genuinely decide to understand the bible for what it is only working with facts and logic, and not a mythical idea like the "holy spirit", without bias because you are after God's favour or trying to secure a place in heaven and most importantly without fear of thinking (because religion thrives off of fear of the unknown i.e not knowing what happens after we die and threats of eternal suffering if you do not believe basically giving an ILLUSION OF FREE WILL! Then you will really see the bible for what it is a psychological weapon that controls thinking which makes it's a perfect tool to rule and conquer! It's upto to you to seek the truth for yourself, nobody will do the work for you. "Emancipate your minds from mental slavery, none but ourselves can free our minds" - Bob Marley.
@18:20 Sometimes it takes one to be an Atheist to read the Bible differently but it's not a must. When an Atheist reads the Bible he/she is looking for meaning while others don't People claim they've read the Bible 3 times from Cover to cover yet they have no memory of what the first books of Moses entail let alone half the scripture
@8:30 the Pastor has said a very true statement. The Bible was addressing a specific people at a specific time under a specific culture. Meaning at this Time, with this generation under a hugely different culture the Bible should be treated as a historic text more than a practical text. And with this you cannot defend or explain why God's book supported murder, slavery and other atrocities without referring it to the same God
Reading the Bible ni kama kusoma text book ya shule. What ever you'll gain from it will not be used to prepare the test. They will twist the questions but refer to the lesson you gained from the text book. Unfortunately, alot of people who fail in school end up leading churches 🫢
Life even away from religion requires faith. Everyone has faith in something. You have faith that you’ll be paid at the end of the month & thus one works for the whole month awaiting pay at end month.
It depends from what perspective you are studying From. If it's to please your religious leader, you Absolutely don't have to question anything. But if it's for understanding basis, religiously or non-religiously you DEFINITELY have to QUESTION.
The overlap between dogmatism and meaning in life will never cease to storm unending questions about what God is. And that's where philosophy comes in. We have a long way to go Africa. Unfortunately what most people describe as God is just an innate description of their will to power. It has always been knowledge and information against the masses.
Kingori kindly one day invite an SDA pastor to join u in conversation as such .....he will answer this gentleman correctly ,make sure you come with Bibles
I don’t think the Pastor is saying that anywhere. What he is saying that between the here and now and the there and then, there are gaps that arise from history, culture, language and philosophy. That needs to be taken into context while interpreting scripture.
The Pastor is spot on. He is presenting facts that needs to be considered in Bible interpretation. The starting point is that the books in the Bible were not written to be compiled into a Bible. The consolidation of the Bible came far much later. Of course God was in control all along.
When the pastor says there were instructions given to specific people, 😅😅😅 even ten commandments were given to israelites, and tithing, why do they follow them.
You're late. The Bible has also been criticized. Even by the same people who put it together. They argued about which books to include and exclude. The world is not coming to an end.
Dr Kingori,am not a christian but i was raised as a christian,had the same questions and luckily i found the answers to the question s,am not a muslim either,kindly invite me to your show and invite the man with the questions and see how it goes,you will be amazed,had gone thru the same and am not an atheist either,
This would mean that while some of the things in the Bible applied only to the people back then, there are also things that do not apply to us today. What would deny me raising the claim that Jesus, or, let's say, Paul, was set in the time of the traditional Israeli society and not my small village in Kenya, where we had our own forms of practises that had nothing to do with them? I find it to be a double standard to agree to some things in the Bible and accept some of them. Thus, one needs to adopt it to the letter or do away with it. Or else, use it as a good guide based on the instructions it gives, just like any philosophical book, without needing to believe in the existence of God at any given time.
The most useless thing is to read the Bible seeking to understand it without the Holy Spirit who only unfortunately comes to us when we believe in Christ. Spiritual things are spiritually discerned and cannot be understood with a carnal mind.
Another thing to note, in the existence of anything, there has to a force/a mind a brilliant kind behind it... A computer to exist there has to be a software developer who ensured all commands run and hence we get a computer... For a human brain to exist, we cannot deny there has to be a mind who is God in this matter
I also took this path of reading the bible and I only came out with more questions than answers.I have not watched the video and already am commenting because reading the bible in verses is like reading sentenses without making correlations. However should you read it like a paragraph or a chapter ,you will also come out with contradictions.
Why would a universal god include culture of some people in the book he expects everyone else to read and follow without questions. How do we know the rest of the bible is nothing but cultures...why do god need people to tell others about him.
You cannot "just exist". There must be a strong deity towards the powerful forces of nature that causes Time and seasons. It is simply ACKNOWLEDGING. Once you begin from this point "knowledge" then conviction is formed. You can then move to faith. It is upon this journey and transition from knowledgelessness to information that rubberstamps your belief on something.
The matter at hand here is all about two things. For an atheist its UNDERSTANDING SEEKING FAITH. For a christians it's different. FAITH SEEKING UNDERSTANDING.
No that's not the case. The case is whether the belief in God can be substantiated, is there compelling evidence for the existence of God and hypothetically if we were to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that there is a God the question still remains, is he worthy of worship? Personally I wouldn't worship Yahweh even if I found out he's real bcz his nature isn't consistent with the values that I hold to. He is cunning, evil and absolutely violent.
Applying logic is not looking for fault! If you genuinely decide to understand the bible for what it is only working with facts and logic, and not a mythical idea like the "holy spirit", without bias because you are after God's favour or trying to secure a place in heaven and most importantly without fear of thinking (because religion thrives off of fear of the unknown i.e not knowing what happens after we die and threats of eternal suffering if you do not believe basically giving an ILLUSION OF FREE WILL! Then you will really see the bible for what it is a psychological weapon that controls thinking which makes it's a perfect tool to rule and conquer! It's upto to you to seek the truth for yourself, nobody will do the work for you. "Emancipate your minds from mental slavery, none but ourselves can free our minds" - Bob Marley.
Bob Marley acknowledged the existence of Jesus Christ. What are you on? He only rejected religion. Working with "facts and logic" only means, you fail to recognise the existence of a soul/spirit. Then go quote a very spiritual person like Bob. /??????/ How can there be illusion of free will If what is written is meant to protect you and uplift you. Pluuuss forgiveness is free. Have you ever actually practically lived the life of a devout Christian, year to year for years? Cos I have.
@@whoopdewhoop7154 😂not once did I mention Jesus in my entire comment but all you concluded is that I don't believe in the existence of Jesus? wow! You grasped nothing from all of that, comprehension seems to be the issue!
@@collettemagana7193 because there is no way to God without Jesus. Bob marley came to understand that despite being a rastafarian. Facts and logics is simply practical ways of living. So read books that address that..i.e proverbs,sirach. Spiritual books are meant to draw you to God through prayer and show off God's might. Not threaten you. I quoted Jesus because He condemned churches a lot. Jesus was more of a spiritual person than a church mouse. The christian church was founded by Peter and Paul. Saying you reject the holyspirit is the same as rejecting God. Because God is a spirit and He is also the son and the father. Be careful that you are not mislead my dear. The Bible which you reject, clearly speaks on this. People rejecting God and choosing to listen to their own wisdom. Be extra extra careful that you are not deceived. It is better an atheist, than a lukewarm believer in "God". Go all in or not at all.
@23:40 "God was not endorsing the issue pf slavery, but God was saying that i realise that this is what the world has become" this statement suggests that God is weak. He was forced to bend His devine morals for public opinion/ perception. When we refuse to confront the Truth, we tend to create & communicate lies thinking that we are ministering. This is why he advocates for people to stop reading Bibles on their own because "we lavk the science of Bible interpretation"
Safety in numbers. This is the illusion that is life, which will lead many in the so called Wide road while only a few will use the narrow road. Isn't this Logic?? 🤔
shida ya mwafrika ni kujifanya kujua dini yenye mzungu na mwarabu walileta😂..huyo pastor angetwambia mbona ni lazima tupatiwe majina ya kizungu na kiarabu baada ya kukubali dini wakati mzungu na mwarabu hawawezi kukubali majina ya kiafrika
God is beyond human comprehension. Some people think they know God better than others. The bible is not Gods word. Emperor Constantine together with other bishops who formed the council of nicea, decided the content to include and exclude from the bible.
@@ngeewa8029 Not really, you can take a tour through Israel and see sites like the manger where christ was born, river jordan , footprints of his ascencion to heaven and many others..All that cannot have been made up
@@mwitahillary1217 you lack knowledge brother........the is no physical evidence to definitively prove the actual manger of Jesus , river Jordan is a physical feature it will always be there about the footprint we know Jesus ascended on Mt olives but there is no physical definitively prove to show that there is a footprint of Jesus
The atheist in this discussion is humble and polite, while the pastor is emotional and slightly arrogant. The points made by the atheist were well-thought and one can tell that he is not making a mockery of Christians but is merely stating the facts.
Like the constitution of a particular land....It takes lawyers to assist clients to interpret the clauses in a case of a client before the judge.... Similarly it takes the HOLY SPIRIT to help HUMAN BEINGS who desire to know to UNDERSTAND HOLY WORD(scripture). Minus help of Spirit of God. Scripture would just be like any other literature works.... The holy word read under the influence of the Spirit of God...Is a life changing FORCE... Anyone who has tried would attest to this as true.... If a word entering or coming forth is backed by Spirit of God.... Only those who are tuned in Spirit will decern. Word of God is DECERNED. God is the Judge.
About culture ; since the bible condemns homosexuality right now, means that a century from now, pple will change their perspective on homosexuality and embrace it saying in our century God recognized culture but imechange
If you listen to the pastor keenly, you would become an atheist. Does it mean god accepted slavery because it was in the culture of the people, unless the people created the god
If you understand how kingdoms work then to understand the bible is so easy since the bible is about a King and a kingdom. Jesus message was about the kingdom of heaven and kingdom of God.
The pastor says "Don't cherry-pick verses in the bible" - then goes ahead to cherry-pick verses when it suits him 😐
You noticed too
Hee didn't have any superior argument to counter
What do you mean?
Hypocrisy of these religious types
I am a fan of appreciating knowledge rather than faith.... Thank you Morris
The Pastor is forcing his points... next time just invite our Pastor T
@@austineomondi1271 it is hard to defend religion.... It makes very little sense
@@davidkirathe7058 Indeed
@@davidkirathe7058 just look at kenya a so called religous country, they worship wealth more than money, everyonw belives in god yet they cant wait for their chance to plunder or steal .
It is knowledge that leads to faith. After you've known ,which brings you to conviction.
When pastor says Christ saved who he could , but then you remember he is all powerful
Its simple Christ is roman , Greek mythology to attempt to explain the origin of life
Even his all powerful and all knowing father regretted that the humans he made were "sinning" if he's all powerful and knowing why didn't he make a world he wouldn't regret?
He's also all good but goes ahead and creates evil anyways.
And lastly his spoiled kid flies to space without a space suit no wonder why he never returned :)
@@licioussamuels lol
😂😂😂
wapi likes za "GOD BLESS THEM"
In this conversation.. you could have brought pastor T Mwangi
God says in the Bible - "Be still and know that I am God".
I wish they would ask theology lecturers from St. Paul's University. Those lecturers are good at providing the information required.
Kingori why don't you extend these episodes for CZcams, coz we understand that TV time is limited. Tunataka full debates bwana
Kuna kitu inaitwa contract he can't be allowed to do that
@@jamesnjenga813 I never knew that..... cheers bro
@@frankdaniel5157 yeah unless contract yake na io TV station iishe n he concentrates on making his own content
I support
ntv contract
Hit the like button for those of us who came to the comments section for the extended version...
Hahaha! Hapo umegonga point, pokea salamu
@@peterweffy6486 👊🏽
If the Bible was written to specific persons, how do we fix ourselves in the same bible where our names have not been mentioned? How do you apply a letter to Corinthians to a church in Nairobi? I think the pastor can get a better argument
Hahah good question
Huyu pastor ako na bangi sana.
Answer. You can't.
You need to understand the mode of thinking behind this text so that you may apply the same in your everyday life.
Yet, this isn't what we are taught now are we?
Are you an atheist
The bitter part is that the atheist is winning the debate 😂😂😂
If I was God and this preacher was my lawyer representing me in a court of law, I'd be surely going to prison for a very long time.
Love kingori and his questions
So educative well done kingori
The pastor's arguments have made me even more atheistic.
Beyond comprehension by human mind.... The word. The holy word....
Brilliant pastor... explains things explicitly
Great show
Morris would pass for the christian, The calmness and humility Morris has in explanation...Pastor calm down! Truth will out.
IKR, He is instilling fear 😢
@@judywairioko3984 ...yup pastor better know the bible he's preaching from.
Dr. King'ori, thanks for bringing this up again . Let's deal with cults ...and how politics is also a cult in Kenya. We follow mindlessly.
CULT + TIME = RELIGION
@@collettemagana7193 ????????
@@vesh1998 i think they mean a cult over a period of time spreads and becomes a religion. I could be wrong.
If our spirit is concious why do people became mad/insane?
as a person whose struggled with some of these questions, i would really want in on this conversation
What do you mean ?
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as in?
@@SecularKenyan hey man… I have debated within myself whether to comment here or not…
Let me start by saying I am a christian, & I hope that does not put you off immediately.
Secondly, I appreciate the concerns you raise in this talk. It is very sad that questions regarding faith are not usually answered well, leading to people losing their faith.
I have contended with the issues myself, but I still remain a believer. Which is why I comment. I would really like to engage with you on some of this topics.
Not because I have all the answers 😂, believe me I don’t.
When I say engage you I don’t mean that in any combative way. I only wish to listen to your concerns & only give answers where I can. In other words, I would like to have conversations with you about these issues. Not to convert you or win some debate, but just to talk.
I don’t know if that is even possible. But in case you see this & are interested, let me know.
At the risk of repetition, I have really had a conflict within on whether or not to write this comment (for months now I believe). So I’m taking my shot to see what happens (fingers shaking as I type). Feel free to ignore or turn me down, its all good 😊. But I really wish to engage in this kind of talks (& to be clear, I don’t mean on national television 😂).
Anywho, 🖖🏾😎
Sin is constructive,it's what the majority consider right and acceptable under certain different circumstances 😉
Pastor's teaching is deep 👌 Its true if you read the Bible to find faults, you will find many faults. Let the Holy Spirit guide and reveal the deep
My Friend. If you refuse to depend on your God given mind. The perfect reasoning that the same God gave you you'll only be be used as a tool. Why do you think people are being convinced to starve to death all in God's name???
If you can find faults then is a lie
i thought pastor said it is a perfect book. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Applying logic is not finding fault! If you genuinely decide to understand the bible for what it is only working with facts and logic, and not a mythical idea like the "holy spirit", without bias because you are after God's favour or trying to secure a place in heaven and most importantly without fear of thinking (because religion thrives off of fear of the unknown i.e not knowing what happens after we die and threats of eternal suffering if you do not believe basically giving an ILLUSION OF FREE WILL! Then you will really see the bible for what it is a psychological weapon that controls thinking which makes it's a perfect tool to rule and conquer! It's upto to you to seek the truth for yourself, nobody will do the work for you.
"Emancipate your minds from mental slavery, none but ourselves can free our minds" - Bob Marley.
so if you read the Satanic bible to find Godly things does that make it a Godly book
More of this... let's learn
the guy have alot of valid questions you cant ignore!
you too are seeing things
Mazee
Questions based on ignorance.
This atheist has understood the Bible on specific verses and not the whole concepts.
Congratulations to the bishop for breaking it up well.
The bishop has failed totally
Pastor is portraying God as helpless, weak and at the mercy of men.
@18:20 Sometimes it takes one to be an Atheist to read the Bible differently but it's not a must.
When an Atheist reads the Bible he/she is looking for meaning while others don't
People claim they've read the Bible 3 times from Cover to cover yet they have no memory of what the first books of Moses entail let alone half the scripture
spectacular answer!
I love logic. Wow.
Dr Kingori.
.we don't exist to explain to nonbelievers that God exists, instead we shall evangelize to them.
We had no religion in Africa but we believed in God
Supreme being not god
That pastor concluded with fear. Interesting
@8:30 the Pastor has said a very true statement. The Bible was addressing a specific people at a specific time under a specific culture.
Meaning at this Time, with this generation under a hugely different culture the Bible should be treated as a historic text more than a practical text.
And with this you cannot defend or explain why God's book supported murder, slavery and other atrocities without referring it to the same God
Then why use it and does that means the laws and promises were not addressing you?
absolutely. according to the pastor the bible is outdated and not meant for the current century🤣.
@@mrt6787 😂
Reading the Bible ni kama kusoma text book ya shule. What ever you'll gain from it will not be used to prepare the test. They will twist the questions but refer to the lesson you gained from the text book.
Unfortunately, alot of people who fail in school end up leading churches 🫢
He could have asked him if the tithing thing was addressing us today or those guys of that time.
Life even away from religion requires faith. Everyone has faith in something. You have faith that you’ll be paid at the end of the month & thus one works for the whole month awaiting pay at end month.
God has already shown me he's God when i look at nature even if the world was cursed
The good pastor got cooked by an atheist hands down
Utterly..
When you want to study the bible you must accept everything in it and don't ask questions question
It depends from what perspective you are studying From.
If it's to please your religious leader, you Absolutely don't have to question anything.
But if it's for understanding basis, religiously or non-religiously you DEFINITELY have to QUESTION.
amen
The overlap between dogmatism and meaning in life will never cease to storm unending questions about what God is. And that's where philosophy comes in. We have a long way to go Africa. Unfortunately what most people describe as God is just an innate description of their will to power. It has always been knowledge and information against the masses.
Kingori kindly one day invite an SDA pastor to join u in conversation as such .....he will answer this gentleman correctly ,make sure you come with Bibles
Why SDA specifically, doesn't the SDA church not have the old testament which is very vile, violent uses erotic language and a poor moral guide.
The pastor is contradicting himself. Do you want to mean because of the coming up of activists we should interpret the Bible differently
I don’t think the Pastor is saying that anywhere. What he is saying that between the here and now and the there and then, there are gaps that arise from history, culture, language and philosophy. That needs to be taken into context while interpreting scripture.
The Pastor is spot on. He is presenting facts that needs to be considered in Bible interpretation.
The starting point is that the books in the Bible were not written to be compiled into a Bible. The consolidation of the Bible came far much later. Of course God was in control all along.
When the pastor says there were instructions given to specific people, 😅😅😅 even ten commandments were given to israelites, and tithing, why do they follow them.
Idk but the fact we select what to follow from the old testament is crazy
if we've reached at a point of criticising the word of God...then truely the world is coming to an end
So, if we follow it blindly, without question, the world will not end🤔
You're late. The Bible has also been criticized. Even by the same people who put it together. They argued about which books to include and exclude. The world is not coming to an end.
Since when man's words called bible became a word of god,,,stop being childish
I'm with Tyrese😂cause why people leave things in Jesus hands, knowing he got holes in them. Is beyond me..
Wueh 😩
😂😂😂 Keep cooking. I'm loving this..
actually tyrese looks like the man..or the man looks like tyrese
😂😂😂 this is golden
LMFAO 😂😂
The pastor indirectly agreed that the bible is just full of faults.👏
True
A perfect question would be, why call yourself a believer?. The state of of being a believer only arises when one is not sure.
Well done if you were in my class I would offer you a hundred
Dr Kingori,am not a christian but i was raised as a christian,had the same questions and luckily i found the answers to the question s,am not a muslim either,kindly invite me to your show and invite the man with the questions and see how it goes,you will be amazed,had gone thru the same and am not an atheist either,
This would mean that while some of the things in the Bible applied only to the people back then, there are also things that do not apply to us today. What would deny me raising the claim that Jesus, or, let's say, Paul, was set in the time of the traditional Israeli society and not my small village in Kenya, where we had our own forms of practises that had nothing to do with them? I find it to be a double standard to agree to some things in the Bible and accept some of them. Thus, one needs to adopt it to the letter or do away with it. Or else, use it as a good guide based on the instructions it gives, just like any philosophical book, without needing to believe in the existence of God at any given time.
There's no God, never was and never will be!
Mr T would be great participant
No he wouldn't, he's the Kenyan Jordan Peterson, full of word salads but communicating little.
Unbelief is a result of someone's corrupt life.
He is still meeting his initial desire.
You will always see what you want to see.
I believe in God 💪
Why?
The most useless thing is to read the Bible seeking to understand it without the Holy Spirit who only unfortunately comes to us when we believe in Christ. Spiritual things are spiritually discerned and cannot be understood with a carnal mind.
Another thing to note, in the existence of anything, there has to a force/a mind a brilliant kind behind it... A computer to exist there has to be a software developer who ensured all commands run and hence we get a computer... For a human brain to exist, we cannot deny there has to be a mind who is God in this matter
You have to come out of that theory to understand everything
@@ngeewa8029 what do you mean by everything?
If God and devil are fictional characters how come good and evil are not fictional?
It's right and wrong ..good and evil exists in religion
Gikuyu mwinathiina maa!
The pastor isn't answering exact questions he is being asked. He is answering different question.
The foolishness of God outshine human knowledge and understanding
Its absurd to think that way
@@ngeewa8029 he just means that we cannot understand God fully.
I also took this path of reading the bible and I only came out with more questions than answers.I have not watched the video and already am commenting because reading the bible in verses is like reading sentenses without making correlations.
However should you read it like a paragraph or a chapter ,you will also come out with contradictions.
The pastor is actually like "oooh foolish Morris who bewitched you?"
That's for sure😂
😂😂
The truth in this😅😅😅
Why would a universal god include culture of some people in the book he expects everyone else to read and follow without questions. How do we know the rest of the bible is nothing but cultures...why do god need people to tell others about him.
huyu ungemuletea man kush.angeokoka🤣🤣🤣🤣
You cannot "just exist". There must be a strong deity towards the powerful forces of nature that causes Time and seasons. It is simply ACKNOWLEDGING.
Once you begin from this point "knowledge" then conviction is formed. You can then move to faith. It is upon this journey and transition from knowledgelessness to information that rubberstamps your belief on something.
Bring us more content whether Lucifer was God's wife then broke up and God's anger cursed Lucifer 😇😇😇😇
😂😂 Lol
Nice show kingoch😂
Our great ancestors used too believe in God as they used to give sacrifices to what they believed
Waaaooohh it seems you don't know how programmed you are
The matter at hand here is all about two things.
For an atheist its UNDERSTANDING SEEKING FAITH.
For a christians it's different. FAITH SEEKING UNDERSTANDING.
True
No that's not the case. The case is whether the belief in God can be substantiated, is there compelling evidence for the existence of God and hypothetically if we were to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that there is a God the question still remains, is he worthy of worship? Personally I wouldn't worship Yahweh even if I found out he's real bcz his nature isn't consistent with the values that I hold to. He is cunning, evil and absolutely violent.
Atheists huku wanataka tuwapee pesa tumepewa na Mungu
bana where is the lie😅😅
pesa ya nini nani amekuitisha pesa
Ungefungia huyo Bishop na Morris mahali, Morris angevunjwa stoke akisema AMEN. vile Bishop anamwangalia wacha tu.
Bring this Bishop again
When I was beaten up by my parents and sibling infront of a pastor, was my line
Defending religion using the bible is the most absurd thing
Applying logic is not looking for fault! If you genuinely decide to understand the bible for what it is only working with facts and logic, and not a mythical idea like the "holy spirit", without bias because you are after God's favour or trying to secure a place in heaven and most importantly without fear of thinking (because religion thrives off of fear of the unknown i.e not knowing what happens after we die and threats of eternal suffering if you do not believe basically giving an ILLUSION OF FREE WILL! Then you will really see the bible for what it is a psychological weapon that controls thinking which makes it's a perfect tool to rule and conquer! It's upto to you to seek the truth for yourself, nobody will do the work for you.
"Emancipate your minds from mental slavery, none but ourselves can free our minds" - Bob Marley.
Bob Marley acknowledged the existence of Jesus Christ. What are you on? He only rejected religion. Working with "facts and logic" only means, you fail to recognise the existence of a soul/spirit. Then go quote a very spiritual person like Bob. /??????/ How can there be illusion of free will If what is written is meant to protect you and uplift you. Pluuuss forgiveness is free. Have you ever actually practically lived the life of a devout Christian, year to year for years? Cos I have.
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😂not once did I mention Jesus in my entire comment but all you concluded is that I don't believe in the existence of Jesus? wow! You grasped nothing from all of that, comprehension seems to be the issue!
@@collettemagana7193 because there is no way to God without Jesus. Bob marley came to understand that despite being a rastafarian. Facts and logics is simply practical ways of living. So read books that address that..i.e proverbs,sirach. Spiritual books are meant to draw you to God through prayer and show off God's might. Not threaten you.
I quoted Jesus because He condemned churches a lot. Jesus was more of a spiritual person than a church mouse.
The christian church was founded by Peter and Paul.
Saying you reject the holyspirit is the same as rejecting God. Because God is a spirit and He is also the son and the father.
Be careful that you are not mislead my dear. The Bible which you reject, clearly speaks on this. People rejecting God and choosing to listen to their own wisdom.
Be extra extra careful that you are not deceived. It is better an atheist, than a lukewarm believer in "God". Go all in or not at all.
That pastor is not fit for a sober debate..,
Its not about the pastor
i wonder why its difficult to explain God
if he is so powerful why does he need explaining
The pastor clearly acknowledges the flows but is ashamed to show it. He is in a serious denial.
He is just defending what he believes in, perhaps even his church wasimwone dhaifu
@23:40 "God was not endorsing the issue pf slavery, but God was saying that i realise that this is what the world has become" this statement suggests that God is weak.
He was forced to bend His devine morals for public opinion/ perception.
When we refuse to confront the Truth, we tend to create & communicate lies thinking that we are ministering. This is why he advocates for people to stop reading Bibles on their own because "we lavk the science of Bible interpretation"
Not many people have the courage to follow logic
Safety in numbers.
This is the illusion that is life, which will lead many in the so called Wide road while only a few will use the narrow road.
Isn't this Logic?? 🤔
Pewa mbili
shida ya mwafrika ni kujifanya kujua dini yenye mzungu na mwarabu walileta😂..huyo pastor angetwambia mbona ni lazima tupatiwe majina ya kizungu na kiarabu baada ya kukubali dini wakati mzungu na mwarabu hawawezi kukubali majina ya kiafrika
Dr Kingori i would like to ask this man what are those questions
God is beyond human comprehension. Some people think they know God better than others. The bible is not Gods word. Emperor Constantine together with other bishops who formed the council of nicea, decided the content to include and exclude from the bible.
Let me follow up
I have heard before that some books were done away with like Susan,Tobit etc
Because the bible was written to hold down black people google pastor Ray Hagins
I have an Ethiopian friend of the orthodox Catholic and they have bibles with 81 books..the 66 books bible is edited...
Waciira -cooka na mũciĩ wee wĩ mũciiri thĩiniĩ wa bũrũri wa Gĩkũyũ, ũrĩa ũtuetwo aciraga akarĩkia, Gĩkũyũ-inĩ nĩ Tũũĩ Ngai Mwene Nyaga .....nooo Saitani Gũtirĩ, tũũĩ wehia ũgwatwo nĩ thaahu ,waaga gũtheria thaahu ũrũmwo nĩ kĩrumi.
The Perfect example by God is through Jesus becoming Flesh and leading a pure life on earth
you forgot even the story of jesus is about faith not knowledge
@@ngeewa8029 Not really, you can take a tour through Israel and see sites like the manger where christ was born, river jordan , footprints of his ascencion to heaven and many others..All that cannot have been made up
@@mwitahillary1217 you lack knowledge brother........the is no physical evidence to definitively prove the actual manger of Jesus , river Jordan is a physical feature it will always be there about the footprint we know Jesus ascended on Mt olives but there is no physical definitively prove to show that there is a footprint of Jesus
Atheists always appear to have the upper hand in these debates
Context
Knowledge of Bible doesn't come from college but comes from God and he gives those he wants but not all. 14:03
I'm always baffled by those who dismiss science and choose to believe in myths
Me too
The atheist in this discussion is humble and polite, while the pastor is emotional and slightly arrogant. The points made by the atheist were well-thought and one can tell that he is not making a mockery of Christians but is merely stating the facts.
Like the constitution of a particular land....It takes lawyers to assist clients to interpret the clauses in a case of a client before the judge....
Similarly it takes the HOLY SPIRIT to help HUMAN BEINGS who desire to know to UNDERSTAND HOLY WORD(scripture). Minus help of Spirit of God. Scripture would just be like any other literature works....
The holy word read under the influence of the Spirit of God...Is a life changing FORCE... Anyone who has tried would attest to this as true....
If a word entering or coming forth is backed by Spirit of God.... Only those who are tuned in Spirit will decern.
Word of God is DECERNED.
God is the Judge.
Leta man kush ajibu huyu😂😂
That pastor is just hot air..why are we still reading verses wrote to someone else
Never thought of it like that 😂😂
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When Jesus went to hell He went to preach to those that had died
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Wachira uko top....you need to meet these pastors that are deceiving people tuskie vile watajitetea.
About culture ; since the bible condemns homosexuality right now, means that a century from now, pple will change their perspective on homosexuality and embrace it saying in our century God recognized culture but imechange
If you listen to the pastor keenly, you would become an atheist. Does it mean god accepted slavery because it was in the culture of the people, unless the people created the god
If you understand how kingdoms work then to understand the bible is so easy since the bible is about a King and a kingdom. Jesus message was about the kingdom of heaven and kingdom of God.
His questions are valid but he didn't read to understand Bible but just quoting actual this was rule given to moses in wilderness .
His explanation of the Bible is top notch. Thank you pastor.
You are very foolish
No it's abhorrent.
Morris moped the floor with that bishop repeatedly 😮.