Your product knowledge is superb! Keep up the great content. In 2015, my mother moved to a more rural area and wanted an SUV (plus her knees are bad, so it's easier to get in/out of an SUV). Where she was moving to only had a Dodge/Jeep/Ram/Chrysler dealership, so I recommended a Jeep. We bought her Jeep Patriot in the city. I knew the Patriot's 4x4 system is mostly FWD with rear axle kicking in as needed, but there's a 4x4 Low so you can lock it 50/50 front and rear for low-speed off-road operation. Just to test the salesman, I asked what the 4x4 Low button was for, and he said to put it in 4x4. "It will never be in 4x4 unless you push that?", and he said yes "it will be in 2x4 until you push that". Which is BS. 4x4 will lick in automatically as needed. Ugh. He said he proudly has been selling Jeeps for 12 years, but he never had time to read a brochure and learn the features and 4x4 systems?!?!?!
Product knowledge is an issue across the industry. I'm not perfect, but I do spend a LOT of time trying to make sure that I understand as much as I possibly can so that I can communicate it with others. Thanks for watching!
We love you channel, hope you can help me (and others). Are you able to place an order for a PHEV SX Prestige with black interior? Dealer here in the US says that is not possible for custom order, and that website allowing you to build that way is a glitch. I find it hard to believe black seats are not available for the top trim, but he said the system won't even let him input my build specs. Are you able to confirm as a dealer?
Really appreciate the information- well done. How long to charge the battery from low using level 2 and level 1? What is the approximate cost using Toronto/Brampton electric cost to charge battery.
I don't actually have the spec on this, so I don't want to assume yet. If I don't get the spec soon, I'll run our vehicle empty on battery, and look in the dash to see what it says, and I'll make a video about it.
One thing that disappointed me when I got my 2022 CEED PHEV was the charging speed. I knew it would be slow using the included charger, but not when using a public charger. According to my dealer, the maximum charging speed is 3,5 kW (no matter how powerful the charger is) which makes charging on long trips feel pointless.
You bought the wrong car then. PHEV with 25-45 miles of EV range are obviously not meant for long trips. They're meant for going to and from work, picking up the kids running an errand and charging over night.
I love the car as a whole but even 3-4 hrs to get a full charge is frustrating. Is there an adaptor that can be safely used to charge at non level 2 J1772(?) chargers so you can get in & out quicker?
Hi there. I placed an order for my Sorento plug in recently. When do I WANT to use ONLY EV? I find myself sitting in parking lots with my kids waiting for my wife for example? or just driving shorter distances at a time. When would you only use EV mode ONLY?
What's the fuel economy like once the battery is depleted - say on a long highway drive? I'm also reading about serious problems with the transmission.
I have a 2022 Sorento plugin hybrid, when it is cold the engine will run at 1,100 rpm but the engine temp does not rise. If I run on the express way the engine temp will rise to mid point. I have run a scan and I do not have any codes. The KIA service dept says it is running fine. I question this because I am not getting much heat out of the car even though the engine is running at what amounts to a high idle. It will go 10 or 12 miles, at 1,100 rpm and still not move the temp gauge off the bottom.
Question: would you happen to know why Hyundai/Kia chose not to provide the option of an EV "Lock Out", thereby putting the car exclusively in HEV mode and allowing the EV range to be maintained for later in the trip (city portion), rather than depleting the EV range during high speed highway driving? It seems that the only solution is to put the car in "SPORT" mode, limiting EV engagement. This feature was present in my prior Volvo XC60 T8 Recharge (as well as other manufacturers). Thanks!
Why is my brand new Phev Sorento burning gas mile for mile when I am driving electric mode on a full battery??? I have even tried turning off all heat, seat and steering and it still happens??
They don't recommend anything to us. In my experience, I wouldn't buy the cheapest possible ones. We've seen a few act up in our time where they decide not to work, so the mid priced ones are good for that. Some people have their chargers hook up to their wifi and gain features that way. In my life, I don't find that to be necessary, but it's up to you.
Do you have a video somewhere that talks about how often you should change oil in a phev? im assuming oil can last a lot longer in a phev/hybrid vs a traditional gas car
I've actually stayed away from that. The "official" statement from Kia says that the oil change intervals don't change, but I hear where you're coming from. I won't advise any different than the Kia company line on this, and again... I hear you. So I'll just leave it at that. :)
I would like to know more about how the charging cable works. I have the Tucson PHEV and I have had to figure it out on my own as it's not covered in the manuals. Right now I get 1.2kw per hour charging. But the specs say you can charge in 7.5 hours which in the 13.8kw battery would need to be 1.8kw. I am going to assume that this would be based on a 120v 20amp breaker. My question is will the charging cables for the Kia/Hyundai support a 1.8kwh charging rate? I know, pain in the *ss question! Thanks.
Honestly, this is something that I'll have to research more. It's not something I have memorized yet. I know with me, I just plug it in and ignore it. I haven't paid attention to the specs in the same way that you'd like. I'll have to do some more research.
It will only charge at a maximum of 3.5kwh. That is what the cable supports. The rate it charges at depends on what you plug it into. If you use the 3 pin wall plug (I'm in the UK) it will charge at 2.2 kwh on a 240v system. I have a 7kw home charger and have also charged at 22kw public chargers. No matter what the max speed of the charger, the car will not charge at more than 3.5kw. As long as what you are plugging into is Type 2 however the cable will be fine, it will support anything up to 3.5kwh
I live in a small town, just 2 km from the highway on which I drive 150 km to the nearest small city, 250 km to a midsized city, or over 500 km to a large city like Toronto or Ottawa. If I plug in at home, can start off by driving in hybrid mode right away to save most of the battery, then switch to pure EV mode for the last 40ish km of stop and go city driving, or will most of the 51 km of battery slowly get used during the hybrid driving?
Thanks for this video. Wondering what maintenance schedules look for a PHEV, and what kind of things owners need to watch out for in addition to the ICE ones.
Maintenance is very similar to all gasoline car. As far as the schedule, like all Kia's that can vary based on your location. There is a Severe maintenance schedule that applies for most of Canada, while other areas would be on a different schedule. Again, schedules would be similar to an all gasoline car.
@@BrantfordKia first of all, thanks for the great info! So regarding the maintenance, even if I were able to drive the vehicle 6000 of the 8000kms in full EV mode, Kia still recommends an oil change and such? Would it be possible for you to share Kia’s recommended maintenance schedule for this vehicle? Much appreciated!
@@michaelastrickland14 The short answer is that Kia's recommended schedule tends to be the same for their PHEV's. With my Kia badge on, I have to recommend that. I think the reality is that some owners do extend things out a little bit, and maintenance is always the responsibility of the owner. I'll be honest, I'm probably going to stay out of the maintenance debate here on CZcams. I understand Kia's side, and I definitely understand what you're saying. I don't want to put myself in position to face the wrath of CZcams comments on both sides of this issue! The owner's manual can probably be found online, and you can see what it says there. Too often, what happens to me is I face the CZcams comments angry at me when I have no say in this topic. So, respectfully, I'll likely stay out of the maintenance topic for these cars, and I'll let others tackle that.
@@BrantfordKia I appreciate your response and am sorry that you have to deal with such negativity while trying to provide people with the information they seek.
@@michaelastrickland14 It's all good. If I take my Kia badge off, I might stretch my oil change intervals a bit, but if I had to guess, no one will say that, because how do you predict how much each individual driver will go on purely electric, and there are other things that need maintenance in the vehicle. Either way, it's easier for me to leave maintenance up to the owner and their dealer. I do very few maintenance related videos. Thanks for watching!
It does not. It's more complicated than that though, it is capable of blowing some heat even with the engine off, but you do want that engine to run in the winter a little bit for a number of reasons.
Does the gas engine always turn on automatically if you turn the heat on? I have a 3 mile commute to work, I have a Nissan leaf because the heat works in 1 minute.. a gas engine doesn't have time to warm up on my commute so it's a waste and I'm not going to idle it in my driveway. I was considering consolidating my two vehicles into one and this one looks good, but I'm not interested in a gas engine auto starting on a 3 mile commute because I asked for a little heat.
So 3 seasons of the year, you would get the benefit of (nearly) full EV driving in a commute like yours, but in the winter, the vehicle will start up, because it doesn't know that you're not going to need that engine in the cold, so it will prepare the engine to run, and also provide heat to the cabin. I currently have one fully electric vehicle, and one fully gasoline vehicle, and between the EV an an Ebike, I'm able to make most of our in-town trips on full electric power, but we have a fully gasoline model still because, as of today, it's still the most convenient to tow our trailer and do some other things that our EV either can't do, or can't do as well. For your use, you'll have to decide which compromise makes the most sense for you.
I expect to see the next generation of the Gasoline powered Kia Sportage in early 2022, with a hybrid added a few months later, and then I expect the PHEV within a few months of that. So it's my expectation that we'll see the PHEV Sportage by next summer, but don't hold me to those timelines.
Thanks for all this. A question I had, that you probably don't have the answer to, is whether Kia will be launching a full BEV version of the Sorento or similar. The Niro is too small for our family and the EV6 is a different beast altogether.
The platform that the EV6 is built on is very modular. A very simplistic explanation of that platform is that it can be widened and lengthened to fit a variety of vehicles large and small (larger vehicles get more powerful motors and more battery cells, smaller get the opposite etc) So while I don't expect a full battery electric Sorento in the near term, I do expect to see fully electric vehicle in that size class based off of the basic architecture of the EV6.
@@BrantfordKia Thanks! That's a very helpful answer. I'm thrilled about the growth of BEV in the next year or two, but most aren't quite big enough for our family's needs.
@@BrantfordKia I am impressed by how fast Hyundai/Kia is now moving into BEV vehicles. And the platform you talk about for the EV6 looks to be really good. Exciting times indeed!
@@robertknorren6228 They've really done their homework on EV's. There was a long wait where they had EV's ready to go, but the market wasn't ready. They have a long history of research, and I expect this new generation to be excellent! We'll see it soon!
Hi Peter.. so my Sorrento is a 2WD hybrid 1.6Litre Turbo. My first trip was from the dealership to my home 355kms approximately driven on smart mode. Average was about 7l/per 100. I'm coming upto 3weeks motoring STILL on the same tank (on 1/4) been in ECO mode all the time. My driving is ALL short urban driving. The regenerating system is brilliant it runs virtually on the battery. I'm averaging 6.1 per 100 now. I think I have another weeks driving before I refuel the tank. I think I will get 6 weeks out of one tank without a open road drive
That's awesome! Thanks for sharing! We haven't seen the hybrid model yet in Canada (PHEV only) and when we do, it will be an AWD model, but I'm really looking forward to seeing how it performs here as well. Thanks for watching!
@@BrantfordKia I think the AWD has a slightly heavier MPG but nothing to scream about as the regenerated braking /petrol engine is having to drive all 4 wheels instead of 2.
@@isaachunt5799 my previous was a diesel 3.0 SQ5 yes was fuel efficient but im filling my Sorrento Hybrid once every 6 weeks So a there not a scam and b your talking out of your backside
Hi Peter! Thanks for the Sorento PHEV showcase. Question-- for car camping, does this PHEV have "utility mode" like the KIA Niro EV-- allowing the car's heat/ac to run from only the battery? I'm trying to see if a PHEV from KIA/Hyundai would be an option for my car camping endeavors? Thanks!
@@azerogliev6520 ahh got it Azer! Thanks for the insight-- will be really amazing if one day an automaker makes PHEVs with a camping mode! Will be a game-changer!
I'm not able to have 2,6L/100km with my 2022 Hyundai Tucson PHEV. When heat is on, engine always turn on. When i turn off heat, engine turn off. I'm no able to do lower than 3,6L/100km. Do you if there is an software update?
Mileage will definitely vary. This was exceptionally good mileage, I don't think there's anything wrong with your vehicle. I'm not aware of any software update.
That is what Kia recommends. I understand why some customers feel that this should be adjusted, and I mentioned in another comment that I don't think I'll have an opinion on this on our CZcams channel. I see both sides, and I'm not the one who makes these decisions, so I think I'll save myself from the CZcams comments that come from holding a position on this. :)
I travel and live 6 months out of country. My 2 ICE autos are parked. Gas stabilizers added, batteries disconnected. What does one do to store a PHEV long term? And, is there shortening of battery's efficiency? Great video.
I haven't received any information on this, so I can't be perfectly sure. The PHEV does still have a traditional 12 volt battery, so I would assume that you disconnect that. We're also told with our EV's that storing them at around 80% battery life is ideal (don't store them fully charged) so I would assume that taking 10 or 15 kms of the 51 kms of range before storing it would also be a best practice, but again, I haven't really looked into this. There may be something about it in the owner's manual, but I don't remember seeing it.
Peter, don't stop making these videos, very informative! Biggest concern/complaint for me is Hyundai/Kia won't sell me a PHEV in Florida. Supposedly only 10 states will be able to get them....guess I'll have to wait.
Pretty common to find them in Florida more or less from the US debut. The markups are insane though, so I ended up going to western Tennessee all the way from Florida to avoid nearly $12k in markups and mandated "options" local dealers wouldn't let me remove (at MSRP and with federal tax discount it feels really "cheap" for what you get). Very happy with our panoramic roof Sorento PHEV. We haven't refueled it in a month since returning to Florida, great daily usability on electric power.
@@wouland1 Thanks for sharing your experiences! Also, those dealer markups don't happen in our dealer group. I just want to be clear for anyone who may read this and is considering shopping with us.
@@wouland1 The few dealerships that are getting them in the DC metro don't have many of them. As such they are charging a 'low inventory' mark-up'. Tends to be a minimum of $7,500.
Question for you. I have a 2022 Sorento PHEV and even with the engine warm and the temps outside in the 50’s, the engine will turn on and stay on during a short trip, about 4 miles. The battery is fully charged as well. I keep the acceleration light and to test it turned off the climate control and other accessories. Any idea why it won’t slip back into EV mode and turn off the engine? Kinda frustrating…
Yea, I honestly don't think PHEV is worth the premium unless you live in a place with mild weather. If you're never in EV mode when you have your climate control running, you basically paid $10k more for a regular hybrid. I live in las vegas where temps can hit 115f. I'd never see EV only mode.
had another test it, and said even at 17 celcius the engine kicked in, and thinks it doesn't have to do w/ a lack of a heatpump or outside temperature, but just the way the engine is programmed to run. It has a very narrow band of when it will actually urn on pure EV which makes the PHEV pointless in mho..
How do you control the start and end time of charging after you plug in to take advantage of the off peak time-of-use rate? Does it require some kind of smart wall socket?
No, that's a simple setting in the dash. It takes just a few seconds to set. I haven't seen the UVO Intelligence app for this specific car, but I'm almost positive that you'll be able to set up that feature from the cell phone app as well.
Hello, could you charge your battery while you're driving? Like using the hybrid mode in the smart mode on a trip in highway. With kind regards from France.
I haven't tried it yet, but usually using Sport mode would do that. The catch is, I'm not sure why you would want to, I don't think it's the most efficient way to do things, it's probably more efficient to just run in hybrid mode than to charge the battery using the engine.
@@BrantfordKia Thank you so much, but I was just wondering if we could recharge the battery after a long journey so that we can drive in full electric again, for example when arriving in town after a motorway trip.
Like leaving your home in EV, take the Higway and at the end of the trip, recharge your battery to have a full EV for the next town. I don't know if I'm clear enough? But thank you so much for your videos. I will have my New Sorento PHEV delivered in january 22.
@@drkpg1 I think I understand what you're saying, and I believe that can be done SLOWLY in Sport mode. The only thing that I'll point out is that's probably a less efficient way to work, and I don't think you'll be able to charge anywhere near a full charge in just a single tank of fuel. If you leave it in Hybrid mode, it will likely give you the efficiency you're looking for instead of trying to charge the full battery by using the gasoline engine.
Question- what if we use Tucson or Sorento phev vehicles just as normal gasoline ? Meaning without plug in charge, just running on gasoline. What's the mileage at that time? Just not sure this 2.6/100 is combination of plug in charge and hybrid or just hybrid??
I don't have the Tucson number, but expect 7.1 or 7.2 (I don't remember which one off the top of my head) for the Hyundai Santa Fe once the plugged in charge is no longer available.
@@BrantfordKia thanks for the response.. then what are these numbers 2.9l/100 km? They gave in Hyundai website. It's through pure electric or hybrid? I am confused on 2.9l/100 vs the estimate you gave 7.1l/100
@@koushikytp4744 I don't know how the fuel efficiency tests are run for a PHEV. You could conceivably drive for over 50 kilometers on these vehicles and use NO gasoline at all. I've driven the vehicle and averaged in the 2's and 3's so how they get there numbers is something that I'll have to look into. The 7.1 is the mileage that it will get once the pure electric range has been all used up, which is still about 30 percent better than an all gasoline comparable vehicle.
I have a Sorento PHEV and am planning a long highway trip. Do you think I should press the button and choose "Hybrid" for the trip??? Otherwise, my battery will be drained in the first hour of the trip.
Just finished watching all 3 of your videos on this, super helpful, thanks Peter! I'm very interested in this vehicle and was wondering if you have any idea when you would be getting lease info on this?
I just checked, and it looks like we don't have residuals yet. If you're in Ontario, feel free to reach out, and I'll have our team reach out to you as soon as we know. Here's a link to reach me. www.brantfordkia.com/youtube.html
Great question and I'm not sure. I'd like to see the final official numbers. The ones that I have are on a preliminary information sheet where we're warned that any information could be updated at any time.
I just bought a 2022 Sorento PHEV and love it! One thing that has been bugging me is that the car has a battery in the cargo hold, which I believe is used to start the car, power the radio and other electronic equipment. And what I'd like to know is, how is this battery recharged? Do I need to run the car in gas mode to power an alternator to recharge this battery or does the battery recharge when I charge the car? PS. so far, I'm getting 90 mpg in the US (so far, just a lot of local driving and it is mostly done using the electric motor).
Charge times is something that I have to double check (believe it or not, its not in our initial information, I have my guesses, but I'm going to wait until I have the official information before I post that on the internet) You never HAVE to charge, but the more often you charge, the more pure electric range will be available for you, and that means less cost to drive.
@@wouterbrouwer5915 Thanks for this! I'm always a little cautious about directly translating European charge times to North American ones because of our different electrical grids, but yes, that's an accurate number for our level 2 charging, would be my guess.
I have a question regarding the range, the 460 miles range is based on one charge and one full tank right? If I recharge often, then one tank can last way longer than that?
Yeah, PHEV range can be tricky to calculate because when it predicts the range, it's assuming NO charging, and NO refueling. I've spoken with multiple PHEV drivers who charge regularly and drive short trips, and they've gone over 2000 kilometres without needing to get fuel, simply by charging and keeping their trips short.
@@BrantfordKia Thank you! Also, the 51km range is the full electric range before it shifts to regular hybrid mode right? And after the EV range is done, the hybrid gas consumption will be 2.8/3.2 as PHEV or 6.4/7.0 as regular hybrid models?
Quick question … I understand in a fully EV vehicle that the battery should not be charged to 100% every time to maintain battery life … on the Sorento PHEV I have been told that it is OK to always charge to 100% that it will not compromise battery life … is that true?
I'm not the expert on this, but my understanding is that it's not so much a problem to charge it to 100% but in fact it's storing it at 100% or only running the very top end of the battery. So, for instance, with an electric car with a lot of range, it's entirely possible that a user will store the car at 100% and only ever use the top 10% of the battery in their regular driving, then return home and charge from 90% to 100% over and over again. On a PHEV, regular driving will take you into the heart of the battery regularly, and therefore it's very unlikely that a user will only use the very top end of the battery for week after week, month after month, and year after year. The hybrid also takes care of the lower end of the battery all by itself where as EV drivers can get to the point where they run very low on charge, and only slow charge enough to get where they're going. Running continually only on the bottom end of the battery can be an issue as well, but the PHEV takes care of that bottom end, so you don't have the same concern. In essence, we recommend that EV drivers do most of their driving and charging between 20 and 80 percent, unless they need the charge on either ends of that. But on a PHEV, we know that people will use enough of the top end charge regularly, and the vehicle will take care of the bottom end, so we don't have to worry about the best "long term" practices for the battery. Hopefully that makes sense.
Hello and thank you for the video. We have this car and had an issue driving in a snow storm last week. We were in very dangerous driving conditions (snow storm and 15 degrees F) on snow mode and the car alert said for us to pull over and idle the car in order to charge the battery. The battery was at 2%. It wasn't safe to pull over as there were semis sliding and it was snowing. We were also going up hill so the battery wasn't recharging. Question, shouldn't the car just go into gas mode and disregard the ev/hybrid battery? If we go to the mountains a lot is this car going to slow to almost a stop every time? We had the pedal to the metal and could only go about 2 miles and hour. Thank you for your help.
That sounds like something that should be brought to the attention of your local service department. That's not how it's designed to work, so it seems that there was an issue.
I own a 2022 Sorento SX Prestige PHEV since September 30 and installed a Level 2 charger in my garage. So far I noticed two annoying things: 1. When the car is fully charged (both the UVO app and car itself says that the battery is at 100% and my wall charger says it is not charging anymore since the battery is full) and I turn the engine on, in about 3 seconds, before putting the car into drive, the available Electric Km falls from 51 to 49 Km **instantly**!!! 2. When the car is at slow sleeps, say 12 Km/h or less, in full electric, Eco Drive mode, if I need to brake hard, the gas engine turns on instantly (even if the heater is off). Care to chime in?
The 51 to 49 kilometer jump may be related to the climate system kicking in. On my EV, on a really cold day, I can drop and raise the EV range by as much as 80 kilometers by cranking the fan speed. In reality, when the fan speed kicks in, the range prediction drops, but as the car warms up, I get a lot of that range prediction number back. So that's one thing to try. Lastly, when hard braking, if the engine starts... I haven't tried that myself, but keep in mind the car has to anticipate needs. if you brake hard, it may assume that you're in a situation where traffic is not normal, and it may be preparing itself to accelerate hard and have the engine ready to go. At the end of the day, PHEV buyers need to look at their overall fuel consumption over some of the other displays. PHEV buyers also have to realize that their vehicles are still going to run the gasoline engine for a number of reasons. It's not a design fault to have that engine run. If people want an EV, all the time experience, a full EV is the way to go. The PHEV is ultra efficient, but may still run the gasoline engine for a number of different reasons. That's ok, it's designed to do that.
Leo, we are looking at this suv to mainly drive 6 miles here, 9 miles there for school drop offs and practices ( 35-45 MPH and sitting at lights and sitting in traffic). A/C running and or heat usually a must. From your experience, does the electric mode stay on when you use these features in this environment?
@@gregatkinson6650 , in my experience, even if the car is fully charged, once heating accessories are on (including steering wheel and seats), the engine pops on almost immediately and the car operates in hybrid mode. The software in the Sorento has higher priority than user's settings (as it should be), the problem is that the battery package is so weak (compared to full electric vehicles) that the software is forced to use the engine very often. It is very interesting to drive observing the power flow screen. The ICE engine is used quite often, sending power to the transmission *and* to recharging the battery (even when the battery is 99% full). I guess it is fair to the software, as the ICE engine needs to be maintained as well and the software does not know how long you will be driving for, so it cues the engine as often as possible just to keep it running and lubricated. To sum it all up: I do not like this car. If I had to buy a Kia today, that would have to be the fully electric E6. Ideally, I would not buy a Kia at all, but a Tesla. Problem with those being availability. Hope this helps.
I can maybe help. I just bought a 2022 Tucson PHEV and I wanted to know my electricity cost. The number to know is how much KWh the vehicle uses. For the Sorento PHEV according to the US Gov't is 43 KWh per 100mi or then 160km. If you look on your electric bill and find your price per KWh (mine in Alberta is 6.8 cents), then for me it would be .068x43=$2.92 per 160km.
@@robertknorren6228 I love when people do math so that I don't have to! (disclaimer, not every commenter has done their math correct, so I can't promise that this is correct!)
I would love to get phev model. Just wondering how long it takes for full charge ?plus I live in apartment. No power source on parking area to charge the car overnight . Do I need to sit down in a car 3 to 6 hours to charge it at the phev charging station??. Or can I charge it at least 20 percent everyday . At least don't have to stay for long hours to get it full charged.please give me an idea.thank you.great info
I actually don't have full specs on that at this moment, but you will need several hours to charge. Probably 3 and a half hours from full to empty. If you don't charge, you'll still get fantastic mileage, but obviously the big selling feature of the PHEV is the ability to plug in. A Hybrid version will be coming out soon where you won't have to ever plug in, and it will cost less to purchase. That may be an option for you.
Hello again. My question is if I fully charge the battery before going on a long road trip (all highway), I put it in econ mode or smart mode what range would be possible before I would have to fill up with gas? I know that this is a new product, so your best guess is ok .
It's a little too new for me to make a guess on this... Let's just say that over 1000kms should be easy to reach, with several hundred kilometers more that that certainly possible. Give me some time, and I'll have a better answer. It's a 67 litre tank, so you can do some math. 5 litres per 100km would put you over 1300 kms! Whether that's possible or not, we'll have to see.
@@BrantfordKia ahh that's interesting. I have the Hyundai Santa Fe plug-in which I thought was basically the same as the Sorrento PHEV but I only have a 47 litre tank. Interesting that Kia manage to use a bigger tank. As a result on highway I get about 800 kms. This is based on 6,000km of use so far over the last 5 weeks. In the Santa-Fe if I was to drive a long road trip on highway it returns about 7-8litres per 100kms. Crusing at 120kms (in France). My average since buying it at the moment is 5.7litres per 100kms.
@@BrantfordKia PHEV version has 67 litre gas tank? Basen on European leaflet it has got 47 only (HEV 67). So 1000km is absolutely not possible to reach. Basen on some tests would be below 800km.
@@rafalkociemski5997 I am getting around 800km to 850km in real life. Not according to "tests" but actual use. I think the on board computer uses the 47 litre tank divided by the (6'000 km) average consumption of 5.7litres.
The problem with this is that the 5.7litre consumption is based on some days when I use a fair bit of electric only, this brings the total average down. If I just jump in and drive straight onto the highway even after using the 50km of electric Kms I still won't be able to do 800km. More like 650km. This is slightly annoying because I find myself needing to fill up with fuel more often than my previous car. But you get used to it.
No! The initial size of the fuel tank was listed incorrectly. Although, in theory, if you just drive short trips, you can run on pure electric power, and that would allow you to get incredible fuel range, but it would not be on a single trip.
@@Bruntygenius do you have over 10k saved for new batteries? they only garantee failure..they do not garantee wear and tear. do you think anyone will want that hybrid you own when 8 years old? i wouldn't give u a fiver for it
@@isaachunt5799 last week I totaled my 2012 kia optima hybrid with 140,000 miles onit. My insurance company gave me $10k. I was quite happy with that. But this is a weird car market nowadays.
Once you deplete the batteries (ev range) you get worst fuel mileage then a regular hybrid, since you're now transporting a much heavier empty battery (450lbs is a lot).
I've heard it's good practice to charge batteries between 20 and 80% capacity. Is that good practice for a PHEV or does the computer take care of this and allow for topping off at 100%? Thanks for all the videos you do! They are very informative!
Great question. With PHEV's is much less of a concern. What they don't want with an EV is they don't want you using the top ten percent, and then charging, then repeat and repeat again. They also don't want it stored long term at a full charge. With an EV, you're regularly cycling through the battery, you're VERY rarely only using the very top of the battery, and the hybrid system takes care of things from there. I guess my only advice would be, if you're planning on having the car sit for. along period of time, don't leave it fully charged while you're away, or while it sits. Keep it in that 80 percent range or so. (That last bit is just advice from me, not from any official source) I hope that helps!
@@BrantfordKia the best looking and least family friendly hybrid. Captain chairs makes it effectively and 4 passenger vehicle. 3rd child or cargo space on road trips. No go.
@@Drogos79 I mean, it depends on the family. My family has 4 people and this would work well. Stay tuned though because the Santa Fe PHEV will be here this month, and I'll be getting it on video in detail.
@@BrantfordKia well, yes, it does depend on a family lol. Not questioning car choices of families with 2 kids as there are plenty...but there are families with 3, who also enjoy road trips and would like to be able to pack some bags and have AWD capability and be on more environmentally conscious side while lowering fuel costs....and these families will instantly scrap kia as an option. Just saying. Yes, santa fe remains a valid option since I refuse to buy toyota.
@@Drogos79 You're voicing things that I've said for a while. If you want a Kia Sorento with a Turbo or hybrid and you have 3 kids, you're sacrificing half your trunk, to take the third child. I hear you. A roof box is an option if you really like the vehicle, but that may not work for everyone.
You likely won't be able to sustain that mileage, but if you did, you'd be charging a lot, and in that case, yes, we've seen PHEV's run thousands of kilometers on a single tank of gas.
The problem is the spindly battery capacity. You want at least 100-150km electric only range. Built in obsolescence by all car companies. Really? Is car battery only expected to last 7yrs?
Wow... a lot to digest here. If someone wants a full electric vehicle, Kia makes great ones. This one is designed to give incredible fuel efficiency without any range anxiety at all. If you wanted that size of battery, you would sacrifice fuel efficiency as the battery would be too heavy. These cars are able to run the equivalent of many driver's daily drive on full electric, and when that range is done, the driver is STILL going to save significant fuel as the vehicle runs as a hybrid. Lastly the idea that a battery is only going to last 7 years? What's that based on? The warranty? By that logic, there should be a lot of Honda's that won't last beyond 3 years in Canada.
@@BrantfordKia I would sooner have the compromise. I get you want to make money, preserve profit margins, but not all customers are the same. If all car companies were honest they wouldn't hide the battery capacity. A hybrid capacity of 6-8kW will be useless in 7-8yrs. You'll be living on petrol. You can't even recharge from home solar panels because of that useless battery after 7 years. Even until then, you're limited in how far you can go...before you need petrol. Built in obsolescence. There is only one car in the market that meets that criteria with a 23kwh battery. Not too big; not too small. It can deteriorate and still offer long term life. Stop the virtue signalling and offer value. Many people will want to use free renewable solar anyway.
@@AndrewSheldon Respectfully, I'm going to leave your comment without a response from me. I think we see a lot of things differently. Maybe we have more in common in our views than it seems, but the CZcams comment section isn't likely to be the place to have this discussion.
I would think it's an excellent road trip car. You get 51 kms of pure electric range before it switches over to an ultra efficient hybrid. There's a misconception that these aren't good for long drives, when in reality they're much better for long drives than the regular gasoline vehicles.
@@BrantfordKia 51 on pure electric but how about gas? I know that they work together to give more kms but just wanted to make sure. What if I'm out camping for a few days how often do I need to gas up the car when there's no place to plug it?
@@gedDous514 Even if you never plug in this vehicle, it will still always work as a hybrid vehicle. You just gas and go like a regular vehicle, but it will get better mileage because when it has no "plugged in charge" it still has some electric power that charges and discharges through braking, coasting, and in some cases by using the gasoline motor. Long story short, even when you don't plug in, you still get much better fuel mileage than you would get in a gasoline-only car.
Ahh! 2.6L per 100kms rate of fuel consumption only when the battery is used with the motor in auto mode. Once the battery is drained, the rate of fuel consumption drops to 7L per 100km
Yeah exactly. But isn't that fantastic? That's a LOT of regular driving at absolutely mind blowing fuel efficiency and it's still about 30% better fuel efficiency than a non hybrid Sorento even if you never charge it. That's the point of PHEV'S. They're pretty great for fuel costs and overall emissions.
@@BrantfordKia my diesel tucson did 7l per 100km's..8 years down the line who is gonna buy a hybrid that will need a new battery. it's a marketing scam this hybrid crap. i know i just bought one. utter waste of time.
I agree... but keep in mind there would likely be compromises. The batteries add weight, so that alone could lower payload and towing capacity, and the 1.6 litre turbo may also lower towing capacity. It would be interesting because I think there would be a market for it, but it would add cost, and potentially lose capability. Having said all that, I hope the Santa Cruz succeeds enough that they consider it! We know the platform is capable of hybrid and PHEV drivetrains.
@@1stfrompuertorico568 You definitely should have! I do my best to report and delete all of those! You're still first in my heart... you know... compared to the troll!
37 minutes? You drive 37 minutes to quote us this average?!?! Why not just drive it 15 seconds? …are you serious? Drive it for 2 weeks and then tell us
So, you may be new to this channel. I do work for a dealer group that sells Kia and Hyundai vehicles. I make videos every single day that I'm here. This is an example of the first drive that I had in the vehicle where I was able to achieve the results that I showed. I've got a series of videos on these PHEV's and I'm pretty clear about what our customers are getting, and what real world expectations can be over the longer term. My job is to inform, and this video is a piece of that information, but not the total piece. I've been up front about that.
10l per 100 km's these do.. people are being fooled and scammed by this. if you live in the city and only drive in the city then yes. but for a normal driver like me it's a scam. just buy a diesel . forget this crap
Bull sh.iit. I buy new sorento phev, it take 13 liters in hybride mode, same autochoise, no metter if is smart mode or eco mode. Not tried sport, not want to see 20 liters/100km. All indicators are wrong. It show 55 km electric autonomy, after 5 km at 60km/h it go down to 71%. Car get locked down with wondows open, they not close automatic. I go back of the car with laugages, it unlock and open back door... but only 1 time in 5 tries. Than also all most every time when actualy open alone back door, after it lock back it unlock alone after just 10 steps away or so, so really bad thing if i enter for example inside a building near the road... it unlock alone and open back door. This is family car, nobody buy it to drive it alone inside. Also this 13 liters are consumed with just 2 adulta and 2 kids in car, you not want to write here what is show on board when full 7 people with laugages in.... And so many other problems, beside when travel with familly, you cant find that type of charger in Europa, it show in google map, but all most nowere is that type for this car. I am for 3 weeks in Greece, and bot yet find a working electric station to recharge. For example in Sitonia, popular turistic peninsula, is bot even 1 place where to recharge any kind of electric car. Their country burn in fire, but they not care about electric. In Olympus mountain is no more water. All is deserted. So i feel scammed. The only way to recharge is at some private howses, from normal socket and it do it at 1,2 ampers in... 14 hours!!! LOL that car not stay nowere 14 hours.... we travel not sleep in car.,. wtf....
Thanks for all 3 of the videos on this car, I've already put in my order for but now I'm even more excited.
You're going to love this car! I continue to be more and more impressed each time I spend time with it!
have u rec'd yours yet? I've heard a 1 year wait? :) congrats on the buy. :)
These are awesome. I am a Kia guy strongly considering a 2022 Sorento PHEV, and these provide tons of info.
Thanks for watching! I appreciate it!
@@BrantfordKia Got my Sorento PHEV last week, and Tucson is on wife’s list, so now I’m REALLY watching!
@@Andrew8126 Haha! Feel free to subscribe, we should have a lot of relevant information over the coming months!
Thanks a lot!
Answered all the questions!
Hope you are my next door kia dealer!
When you lose the charge and move into hybrid mode, does that affect the power for AWD at all?
Your product knowledge is superb! Keep up the great content. In 2015, my mother moved to a more rural area and wanted an SUV (plus her knees are bad, so it's easier to get in/out of an SUV). Where she was moving to only had a Dodge/Jeep/Ram/Chrysler dealership, so I recommended a Jeep. We bought her Jeep Patriot in the city. I knew the Patriot's 4x4 system is mostly FWD with rear axle kicking in as needed, but there's a 4x4 Low so you can lock it 50/50 front and rear for low-speed off-road operation. Just to test the salesman, I asked what the 4x4 Low button was for, and he said to put it in 4x4. "It will never be in 4x4 unless you push that?", and he said yes "it will be in 2x4 until you push that". Which is BS. 4x4 will lick in automatically as needed. Ugh. He said he proudly has been selling Jeeps for 12 years, but he never had time to read a brochure and learn the features and 4x4 systems?!?!?!
Product knowledge is an issue across the industry. I'm not perfect, but I do spend a LOT of time trying to make sure that I understand as much as I possibly can so that I can communicate it with others. Thanks for watching!
Thanks for sharing. Very informative
Thanks for watching!
We love you channel, hope you can help me (and others). Are you able to place an order for a PHEV SX Prestige with black interior? Dealer here in the US says that is not possible for custom order, and that website allowing you to build that way is a glitch. I find it hard to believe black seats are not available for the top trim, but he said the system won't even let him input my build specs. Are you able to confirm as a dealer?
Really appreciate the information- well done. How long to charge the battery from low using level 2 and level 1? What is the approximate cost using Toronto/Brampton electric cost to charge battery.
I don't actually have the spec on this, so I don't want to assume yet. If I don't get the spec soon, I'll run our vehicle empty on battery, and look in the dash to see what it says, and I'll make a video about it.
Thanks! These videos are really helpful! Btw, today I learned that my Sportage phev weighs 200 kg more than a Cadillac Fleetwood 1955 series 75. 😄
One thing that disappointed me when I got my 2022 CEED PHEV was the charging speed. I knew it would be slow using the included charger, but not when using a public charger. According to my dealer, the maximum charging speed is 3,5 kW (no matter how powerful the charger is) which makes charging on long trips feel pointless.
You bought the wrong car then. PHEV with 25-45 miles of EV range are obviously not meant for long trips. They're meant for going to and from work, picking up the kids running an errand and charging over night.
My 2.2 Diesel Kia is amazing on fuel. I will be sticking with this until PHEV become better.
Better how?
I love the car as a whole but even 3-4 hrs to get a full charge is frustrating. Is there an adaptor that can be safely used to charge at non level 2 J1772(?) chargers so you can get in & out quicker?
Finally a great video about these specific details! Many thanks!🙏🏻
Thanks for watching! Feel free to subscribe. We'll have a PHEV in our studio again today. We'll be live at 2:00 but you can watch anytime.
Hi there. I placed an order for my Sorento plug in recently. When do I WANT to use ONLY EV? I find myself sitting in parking lots with my kids waiting for my wife for example? or just driving shorter distances at a time. When would you only use EV mode ONLY?
What's the fuel economy like once the battery is depleted - say on a long highway drive?
I'm also reading about serious problems with the transmission.
I have a 2022 Sorento plugin hybrid, when it is cold the engine will run at 1,100 rpm but the engine temp does not rise. If I run on the express way the engine temp will rise to mid point. I have run a scan and I do not have any codes. The KIA service dept says it is running fine. I question this because I am not getting much heat out of the car even though the engine is running at what amounts to a high idle. It will go 10 or 12 miles, at 1,100 rpm and still not move the temp gauge off the bottom.
Question: would you happen to know why Hyundai/Kia chose not to provide the option of an EV "Lock Out", thereby putting the car exclusively in HEV mode and allowing the EV range to be maintained for later in the trip (city portion), rather than depleting the EV range during high speed highway driving? It seems that the only solution is to put the car in "SPORT" mode, limiting EV engagement. This feature was present in my prior Volvo XC60 T8 Recharge (as well as other manufacturers). Thanks!
Why is my brand new Phev Sorento burning gas mile for mile when I am driving electric mode on a full battery??? I have even tried turning off all heat, seat and steering and it still happens??
Can this prevent. Be stored for months at a time? Thanks
Hi Peter! Is there a level 2 charger that Kia recommends? Are all made similar or are there things to look for/avoid? Thanks!
They don't recommend anything to us. In my experience, I wouldn't buy the cheapest possible ones. We've seen a few act up in our time where they decide not to work, so the mid priced ones are good for that. Some people have their chargers hook up to their wifi and gain features that way. In my life, I don't find that to be necessary, but it's up to you.
Do you have a video somewhere that talks about how often you should change oil in a phev? im assuming oil can last a lot longer in a phev/hybrid vs a traditional gas car
I've actually stayed away from that. The "official" statement from Kia says that the oil change intervals don't change, but I hear where you're coming from. I won't advise any different than the Kia company line on this, and again... I hear you. So I'll just leave it at that. :)
How di I tell where the air is flowing to when I push the button?
Look forward to a test drive and possibly ordering a new Kia Sorento PHEV:)
We have one available for test drive here!
How do you disable the annoying reverse beeper?
Hello Peter will all countries get the plug in we don’t have the new Santa Fe yet in the Philippines. Good show and presentation keep it up 👍
I don't have information on what the Philippines will receive. You may want to check with your local dealer to see what they plan to receive.
I would like to know more about how the charging cable works. I have the Tucson PHEV and I have had to figure it out on my own as it's not covered in the manuals. Right now I get 1.2kw per hour charging. But the specs say you can charge in 7.5 hours which in the 13.8kw battery would need to be 1.8kw. I am going to assume that this would be based on a 120v 20amp breaker. My question is will the charging cables for the Kia/Hyundai support a 1.8kwh charging rate? I know, pain in the *ss question! Thanks.
Honestly, this is something that I'll have to research more. It's not something I have memorized yet. I know with me, I just plug it in and ignore it. I haven't paid attention to the specs in the same way that you'd like. I'll have to do some more research.
It will only charge at a maximum of 3.5kwh. That is what the cable supports. The rate it charges at depends on what you plug it into. If you use the 3 pin wall plug (I'm in the UK) it will charge at 2.2 kwh on a 240v system. I have a 7kw home charger and have also charged at 22kw public chargers. No matter what the max speed of the charger, the car will not charge at more than 3.5kw. As long as what you are plugging into is Type 2 however the cable will be fine, it will support anything up to 3.5kwh
I live in a small town, just 2 km from the highway on which I drive 150 km to the nearest small city, 250 km to a midsized city, or over 500 km to a large city like Toronto or Ottawa. If I plug in at home, can start off by driving in hybrid mode right away to save most of the battery, then switch to pure EV mode for the last 40ish km of stop and go city driving, or will most of the 51 km of battery slowly get used during the hybrid driving?
You can save your EV range for later, so what you're talking about should be possible.
Thanks for this video. Wondering what maintenance schedules look for a PHEV, and what kind of things owners need to watch out for in addition to the ICE ones.
Maintenance is very similar to all gasoline car. As far as the schedule, like all Kia's that can vary based on your location. There is a Severe maintenance schedule that applies for most of Canada, while other areas would be on a different schedule. Again, schedules would be similar to an all gasoline car.
@@BrantfordKia first of all, thanks for the great info!
So regarding the maintenance, even if I were able to drive the vehicle 6000 of the 8000kms in full EV mode, Kia still recommends an oil change and such?
Would it be possible for you to share Kia’s recommended maintenance schedule for this vehicle?
Much appreciated!
@@michaelastrickland14 The short answer is that Kia's recommended schedule tends to be the same for their PHEV's. With my Kia badge on, I have to recommend that. I think the reality is that some owners do extend things out a little bit, and maintenance is always the responsibility of the owner. I'll be honest, I'm probably going to stay out of the maintenance debate here on CZcams. I understand Kia's side, and I definitely understand what you're saying. I don't want to put myself in position to face the wrath of CZcams comments on both sides of this issue! The owner's manual can probably be found online, and you can see what it says there. Too often, what happens to me is I face the CZcams comments angry at me when I have no say in this topic. So, respectfully, I'll likely stay out of the maintenance topic for these cars, and I'll let others tackle that.
@@BrantfordKia I appreciate your response and am sorry that you have to deal with such negativity while trying to provide people with the information they seek.
@@michaelastrickland14 It's all good. If I take my Kia badge off, I might stretch my oil change intervals a bit, but if I had to guess, no one will say that, because how do you predict how much each individual driver will go on purely electric, and there are other things that need maintenance in the vehicle. Either way, it's easier for me to leave maintenance up to the owner and their dealer. I do very few maintenance related videos. Thanks for watching!
Does it have a heap pump? I've been looking for this info everywhere. Thanks
It does not. It's more complicated than that though, it is capable of blowing some heat even with the engine off, but you do want that engine to run in the winter a little bit for a number of reasons.
Does the gas engine always turn on automatically if you turn the heat on? I have a 3 mile commute to work, I have a Nissan leaf because the heat works in 1 minute.. a gas engine doesn't have time to warm up on my commute so it's a waste and I'm not going to idle it in my driveway. I was considering consolidating my two vehicles into one and this one looks good, but I'm not interested in a gas engine auto starting on a 3 mile commute because I asked for a little heat.
So 3 seasons of the year, you would get the benefit of (nearly) full EV driving in a commute like yours, but in the winter, the vehicle will start up, because it doesn't know that you're not going to need that engine in the cold, so it will prepare the engine to run, and also provide heat to the cabin. I currently have one fully electric vehicle, and one fully gasoline vehicle, and between the EV an an Ebike, I'm able to make most of our in-town trips on full electric power, but we have a fully gasoline model still because, as of today, it's still the most convenient to tow our trailer and do some other things that our EV either can't do, or can't do as well. For your use, you'll have to decide which compromise makes the most sense for you.
Thank for this video. What a bout KIA Sportage PHEV ?
I expect to see the next generation of the Gasoline powered Kia Sportage in early 2022, with a hybrid added a few months later, and then I expect the PHEV within a few months of that. So it's my expectation that we'll see the PHEV Sportage by next summer, but don't hold me to those timelines.
Thanks for all this. A question I had, that you probably don't have the answer to, is whether Kia will be launching a full BEV version of the Sorento or similar. The Niro is too small for our family and the EV6 is a different beast altogether.
The platform that the EV6 is built on is very modular. A very simplistic explanation of that platform is that it can be widened and lengthened to fit a variety of vehicles large and small (larger vehicles get more powerful motors and more battery cells, smaller get the opposite etc) So while I don't expect a full battery electric Sorento in the near term, I do expect to see fully electric vehicle in that size class based off of the basic architecture of the EV6.
@@BrantfordKia Thanks! That's a very helpful answer. I'm thrilled about the growth of BEV in the next year or two, but most aren't quite big enough for our family's needs.
@@beyondtherhetoric The larger models are coming... I don't have exact dates, but it's going to be an interesting next few years.
@@BrantfordKia I am impressed by how fast Hyundai/Kia is now moving into BEV vehicles. And the platform you talk about for the EV6 looks to be really good. Exciting times indeed!
@@robertknorren6228 They've really done their homework on EV's. There was a long wait where they had EV's ready to go, but the market wasn't ready. They have a long history of research, and I expect this new generation to be excellent! We'll see it soon!
Hi Peter.. so my Sorrento is a 2WD hybrid 1.6Litre Turbo. My first trip was from the dealership to my home 355kms approximately driven on smart mode. Average was about 7l/per 100. I'm coming upto 3weeks motoring STILL on the same tank (on 1/4) been in ECO mode all the time. My driving is ALL short urban driving. The regenerating system is brilliant it runs virtually on the battery. I'm averaging 6.1 per 100 now. I think I have another weeks driving before I refuel the tank. I think I will get 6 weeks out of one tank without a open road drive
That's awesome! Thanks for sharing! We haven't seen the hybrid model yet in Canada (PHEV only) and when we do, it will be an AWD model, but I'm really looking forward to seeing how it performs here as well. Thanks for watching!
@@BrantfordKia I think the AWD has a slightly heavier MPG but nothing to scream about as the regenerated braking /petrol engine is having to drive all 4 wheels instead of 2.
@@davidcooper3317 Yeah, we only have the AWD model available here.
my diesel did that..this hybrid crap is a scam..i own a hybrid. it's all bollox. diesel is the best
@@isaachunt5799 my previous was a diesel 3.0 SQ5 yes was fuel efficient but im filling my Sorrento Hybrid once every 6 weeks So a there not a scam and b your talking out of your backside
Hi Peter! Thanks for the Sorento PHEV showcase. Question-- for car camping, does this PHEV have "utility mode" like the KIA Niro EV-- allowing the car's heat/ac to run from only the battery? I'm trying to see if a PHEV from KIA/Hyundai would be an option for my car camping endeavors? Thanks!
It can't. It has no heat pump. It has to burn fuel to get heat. Kia made a huge omission.
@@azerogliev6520 ahh got it Azer! Thanks for the insight-- will be really amazing if one day an automaker makes PHEVs with a camping mode! Will be a game-changer!
I'm not able to have 2,6L/100km with my 2022 Hyundai Tucson PHEV. When heat is on, engine always turn on. When i turn off heat, engine turn off. I'm no able to do lower than 3,6L/100km. Do you if there is an software update?
Mileage will definitely vary. This was exceptionally good mileage, I don't think there's anything wrong with your vehicle. I'm not aware of any software update.
Does the PHEV have the same services cycle of 6000Km/6 month between each servicing like the gaz models?
That is what Kia recommends. I understand why some customers feel that this should be adjusted, and I mentioned in another comment that I don't think I'll have an opinion on this on our CZcams channel. I see both sides, and I'm not the one who makes these decisions, so I think I'll save myself from the CZcams comments that come from holding a position on this. :)
I travel and live 6 months out of country. My 2 ICE autos are parked. Gas stabilizers added, batteries disconnected. What does one do to store a PHEV long term? And, is there shortening of battery's efficiency? Great video.
I haven't received any information on this, so I can't be perfectly sure. The PHEV does still have a traditional 12 volt battery, so I would assume that you disconnect that. We're also told with our EV's that storing them at around 80% battery life is ideal (don't store them fully charged) so I would assume that taking 10 or 15 kms of the 51 kms of range before storing it would also be a best practice, but again, I haven't really looked into this. There may be something about it in the owner's manual, but I don't remember seeing it.
Peter, don't stop making these videos, very informative! Biggest concern/complaint for me is Hyundai/Kia won't sell me a PHEV in Florida. Supposedly only 10 states will be able to get them....guess I'll have to wait.
Wait? why would you wait when you could move to Canada and buy one today?! :)
Pretty common to find them in Florida more or less from the US debut. The markups are insane though, so I ended up going to western Tennessee all the way from Florida to avoid nearly $12k in markups and mandated "options" local dealers wouldn't let me remove (at MSRP and with federal tax discount it feels really "cheap" for what you get). Very happy with our panoramic roof Sorento PHEV. We haven't refueled it in a month since returning to Florida, great daily usability on electric power.
@@wouland1 Thanks for sharing your experiences! Also, those dealer markups don't happen in our dealer group. I just want to be clear for anyone who may read this and is considering shopping with us.
@@wouland1 The few dealerships that are getting them in the DC metro don't have many of them. As such they are charging a 'low inventory' mark-up'. Tends to be a minimum of $7,500.
@@BrantfordKia That's great for anyone that lives in the area. Still cost prohibitive to those of us that live in the US.
Question for you. I have a 2022 Sorento PHEV and even with the engine warm and the temps outside in the 50’s, the engine will turn on and stay on during a short trip, about 4 miles. The battery is fully charged as well. I keep the acceleration light and to test it turned off the climate control and other accessories. Any idea why it won’t slip back into EV mode and turn off the engine? Kinda frustrating…
I have a 2022 CEED PHEV, and the only way I know to "force it" into EV mode is to set the HVAC to OFF. Choosing "EV mode" is pointless imo.
Yea, I honestly don't think PHEV is worth the premium unless you live in a place with mild weather. If you're never in EV mode when you have your climate control running, you basically paid $10k more for a regular hybrid. I live in las vegas where temps can hit 115f. I'd never see EV only mode.
had another test it, and said even at 17 celcius the engine kicked in, and thinks it doesn't have to do w/ a lack of a heatpump or outside temperature, but just the way the engine is programmed to run. It has a very narrow band of when it will actually urn on pure EV which makes the PHEV pointless in mho..
How is your fuel economy?
On the EX+ there is a 110V inverter can you discuss this, what can you do with it?
It will power lower powered devices. Great for laptops, kids gaming systems etc.
How do you control the start and end time of charging after you plug in to take advantage of the off peak time-of-use rate? Does it require some kind of smart wall socket?
No, that's a simple setting in the dash. It takes just a few seconds to set. I haven't seen the UVO Intelligence app for this specific car, but I'm almost positive that you'll be able to set up that feature from the cell phone app as well.
Hello, could you charge your battery while you're driving? Like using the hybrid mode in the smart mode on a trip in highway. With kind regards from France.
I haven't tried it yet, but usually using Sport mode would do that. The catch is, I'm not sure why you would want to, I don't think it's the most efficient way to do things, it's probably more efficient to just run in hybrid mode than to charge the battery using the engine.
@@BrantfordKia
Thank you so much, but I was just wondering if we could recharge the battery after a long journey so that we can drive in full electric again, for example when arriving in town after a motorway trip.
Like leaving your home in EV, take the Higway and at the end of the trip, recharge your battery to have a full EV for the next town. I don't know if I'm clear enough? But thank you so much for your videos. I will have my New Sorento PHEV delivered in january 22.
@@drkpg1 I think I understand what you're saying, and I believe that can be done SLOWLY in Sport mode. The only thing that I'll point out is that's probably a less efficient way to work, and I don't think you'll be able to charge anywhere near a full charge in just a single tank of fuel. If you leave it in Hybrid mode, it will likely give you the efficiency you're looking for instead of trying to charge the full battery by using the gasoline engine.
@@BrantfordKia Ok I understand and I think and I'm sure you're right !!! Thank you again. ;-)
Question- what if we use Tucson or Sorento phev vehicles just as normal gasoline ?
Meaning without plug in charge, just running on gasoline. What's the mileage at that time?
Just not sure this 2.6/100 is combination of plug in charge and hybrid or just hybrid??
I don't have the Tucson number, but expect 7.1 or 7.2 (I don't remember which one off the top of my head) for the Hyundai Santa Fe once the plugged in charge is no longer available.
@@BrantfordKia thanks for the response.. then what are these numbers 2.9l/100 km? They gave in Hyundai website. It's through pure electric or hybrid?
I am confused on 2.9l/100 vs the estimate you gave 7.1l/100
@@koushikytp4744 I don't know how the fuel efficiency tests are run for a PHEV. You could conceivably drive for over 50 kilometers on these vehicles and use NO gasoline at all. I've driven the vehicle and averaged in the 2's and 3's so how they get there numbers is something that I'll have to look into. The 7.1 is the mileage that it will get once the pure electric range has been all used up, which is still about 30 percent better than an all gasoline comparable vehicle.
@@BrantfordKia make sense. Thank you!
I have a Sorento PHEV and am planning a long highway trip. Do you think I should press the button and choose "Hybrid" for the trip??? Otherwise, my battery will be drained in the first hour of the trip.
Still hoping Peter will read this and answer my question before I begin my road trip.
Can you use 87 gas in this or does it require 91 or higher?
At this point, every gasoline vehicle that we sell runs on 87.
Just finished watching all 3 of your videos on this, super helpful, thanks Peter! I'm very interested in this vehicle and was wondering if you have any idea when you would be getting lease info on this?
I just checked, and it looks like we don't have residuals yet. If you're in Ontario, feel free to reach out, and I'll have our team reach out to you as soon as we know. Here's a link to reach me. www.brantfordkia.com/youtube.html
@@BrantfordKia Sent you an email earlier today, Peter, definitely let me know as soon as residual info is available!
Do you know when the Sorento PHEV will be added to the NRCAN fuel consumption list?
Great question and I'm not sure. I'd like to see the final official numbers. The ones that I have are on a preliminary information sheet where we're warned that any information could be updated at any time.
I just bought a 2022 Sorento PHEV and love it! One thing that has been bugging me is that the car has a battery in the cargo hold, which I believe is used to start the car, power the radio and other electronic equipment. And what I'd like to know is, how is this battery recharged? Do I need to run the car in gas mode to power an alternator to recharge this battery or does the battery recharge when I charge the car? PS. so far, I'm getting 90 mpg in the US (so far, just a lot of local driving and it is mostly done using the electric motor).
How long will it take to charge again with normal driving after charging or I would have to charge everyday? Estimatedly how long?
Charge times is something that I have to double check (believe it or not, its not in our initial information, I have my guesses, but I'm going to wait until I have the official information before I post that on the internet) You never HAVE to charge, but the more often you charge, the more pure electric range will be available for you, and that means less cost to drive.
In Europe with a wall box it will charge at 3.8 Kw so will take approx 3.5 hrs
@@wouterbrouwer5915 Thanks for this! I'm always a little cautious about directly translating European charge times to North American ones because of our different electrical grids, but yes, that's an accurate number for our level 2 charging, would be my guess.
I have a question regarding the range, the 460 miles range is based on one charge and one full tank right? If I recharge often, then one tank can last way longer than that?
Yeah, PHEV range can be tricky to calculate because when it predicts the range, it's assuming NO charging, and NO refueling. I've spoken with multiple PHEV drivers who charge regularly and drive short trips, and they've gone over 2000 kilometres without needing to get fuel, simply by charging and keeping their trips short.
@@BrantfordKia Thank you! Also, the 51km range is the full electric range before it shifts to regular hybrid mode right? And after the EV range is done, the hybrid gas consumption will be 2.8/3.2 as PHEV or 6.4/7.0 as regular hybrid models?
@@darrenh5745 Once your electric charge is done, the car should average around 7.2 l/100 kms and yes, that works as a hybrid.
@@BrantfordKia I see, so the 2.8/3.2 rating is based on there is still electric range left. Thanks a lot for the help!
as long as the battery is regularly charged we are easily getting 1000miles out of each tank.
Quick question … I understand in a fully EV vehicle that the battery should not be charged to 100% every time to maintain battery life … on the Sorento PHEV I have been told that it is OK to always charge to 100% that it will not compromise battery life … is that true?
I'm not the expert on this, but my understanding is that it's not so much a problem to charge it to 100% but in fact it's storing it at 100% or only running the very top end of the battery. So, for instance, with an electric car with a lot of range, it's entirely possible that a user will store the car at 100% and only ever use the top 10% of the battery in their regular driving, then return home and charge from 90% to 100% over and over again. On a PHEV, regular driving will take you into the heart of the battery regularly, and therefore it's very unlikely that a user will only use the very top end of the battery for week after week, month after month, and year after year. The hybrid also takes care of the lower end of the battery all by itself where as EV drivers can get to the point where they run very low on charge, and only slow charge enough to get where they're going. Running continually only on the bottom end of the battery can be an issue as well, but the PHEV takes care of that bottom end, so you don't have the same concern. In essence, we recommend that EV drivers do most of their driving and charging between 20 and 80 percent, unless they need the charge on either ends of that. But on a PHEV, we know that people will use enough of the top end charge regularly, and the vehicle will take care of the bottom end, so we don't have to worry about the best "long term" practices for the battery.
Hopefully that makes sense.
@@BrantfordKia that makes perfect sense … thanks for the helping me understand the tech behind charging.
@@frankiejane1109 I'm going to try to make a video about this as early as today.
Hello and thank you for the video. We have this car and had an issue driving in a snow storm last week. We were in very dangerous driving conditions (snow storm and 15 degrees F) on snow mode and the car alert said for us to pull over and idle the car in order to charge the battery. The battery was at 2%. It wasn't safe to pull over as there were semis sliding and it was snowing. We were also going up hill so the battery wasn't recharging. Question, shouldn't the car just go into gas mode and disregard the ev/hybrid battery? If we go to the mountains a lot is this car going to slow to almost a stop every time? We had the pedal to the metal and could only go about 2 miles and hour. Thank you for your help.
That sounds like something that should be brought to the attention of your local service department. That's not how it's designed to work, so it seems that there was an issue.
I own a 2022 Sorento SX Prestige PHEV since September 30 and installed a Level 2 charger in my garage. So far I noticed two annoying things:
1. When the car is fully charged (both the UVO app and car itself says that the battery is at 100% and my wall charger says it is not charging anymore since the battery is full) and I turn the engine on, in about 3 seconds, before putting the car into drive, the available Electric Km falls from 51 to 49 Km **instantly**!!!
2. When the car is at slow sleeps, say 12 Km/h or less, in full electric, Eco Drive mode, if I need to brake hard, the gas engine turns on instantly (even if the heater is off).
Care to chime in?
The 51 to 49 kilometer jump may be related to the climate system kicking in. On my EV, on a really cold day, I can drop and raise the EV range by as much as 80 kilometers by cranking the fan speed. In reality, when the fan speed kicks in, the range prediction drops, but as the car warms up, I get a lot of that range prediction number back. So that's one thing to try. Lastly, when hard braking, if the engine starts... I haven't tried that myself, but keep in mind the car has to anticipate needs. if you brake hard, it may assume that you're in a situation where traffic is not normal, and it may be preparing itself to accelerate hard and have the engine ready to go. At the end of the day, PHEV buyers need to look at their overall fuel consumption over some of the other displays. PHEV buyers also have to realize that their vehicles are still going to run the gasoline engine for a number of reasons. It's not a design fault to have that engine run. If people want an EV, all the time experience, a full EV is the way to go. The PHEV is ultra efficient, but may still run the gasoline engine for a number of different reasons. That's ok, it's designed to do that.
@@BrantfordKia Thanks for your reply. The 51 to 49 happens when the climate system is off. Cheers!
@@hopingtolearn Interesting. I'll have to look into things.
Leo, we are looking at this suv to mainly drive 6 miles here, 9 miles there for school drop offs and practices ( 35-45 MPH and sitting at lights and sitting in traffic). A/C running and or heat usually a must. From your experience, does the electric mode stay on when you use these features in this environment?
@@gregatkinson6650 , in my experience, even if the car is fully charged, once heating accessories are on (including steering wheel and seats), the engine pops on almost immediately and the car operates in hybrid mode. The software in the Sorento has higher priority than user's settings (as it should be), the problem is that the battery package is so weak (compared to full electric vehicles) that the software is forced to use the engine very often. It is very interesting to drive observing the power flow screen. The ICE engine is used quite often, sending power to the transmission *and* to recharging the battery (even when the battery is 99% full). I guess it is fair to the software, as the ICE engine needs to be maintained as well and the software does not know how long you will be driving for, so it cues the engine as often as possible just to keep it running and lubricated. To sum it all up: I do not like this car. If I had to buy a Kia today, that would have to be the fully electric E6. Ideally, I would not buy a Kia at all, but a Tesla. Problem with those being availability. Hope this helps.
Can it tow?
Peter, sometime can you try to define a number or a range for Ontario of how much cheaper it is on electric versus gas.
That's a great idea. I'll try to gather that data and post in the future.
I can maybe help. I just bought a 2022 Tucson PHEV and I wanted to know my electricity cost. The number to know is how much KWh the vehicle uses. For the Sorento PHEV according to the US Gov't is 43 KWh per 100mi or then 160km. If you look on your electric bill and find your price per KWh (mine in Alberta is 6.8 cents), then for me it would be .068x43=$2.92 per 160km.
@@robertknorren6228 I love when people do math so that I don't have to! (disclaimer, not every commenter has done their math correct, so I can't promise that this is correct!)
In Ontario the kWh is only 1/3 the price of electric bill.
I would love to get phev model. Just wondering how long it takes for full charge ?plus I live in apartment. No power source on parking area to charge the car overnight . Do I need to sit down in a car 3 to 6 hours to charge it at the phev charging station??. Or can I charge it at least 20 percent everyday . At least don't have to stay for long hours to get it full charged.please give me an idea.thank you.great info
I actually don't have full specs on that at this moment, but you will need several hours to charge. Probably 3 and a half hours from full to empty. If you don't charge, you'll still get fantastic mileage, but obviously the big selling feature of the PHEV is the ability to plug in. A Hybrid version will be coming out soon where you won't have to ever plug in, and it will cost less to purchase. That may be an option for you.
Hello again. My question is if I fully charge the battery before going on a long road trip (all highway), I put it in econ mode or smart mode what range would be possible before I would have to fill up with gas? I know that this is a new product, so your best guess is ok .
It's a little too new for me to make a guess on this... Let's just say that over 1000kms should be easy to reach, with several hundred kilometers more that that certainly possible. Give me some time, and I'll have a better answer.
It's a 67 litre tank, so you can do some math. 5 litres per 100km would put you over 1300 kms! Whether that's possible or not, we'll have to see.
@@BrantfordKia ahh that's interesting. I have the Hyundai Santa Fe plug-in which I thought was basically the same as the Sorrento PHEV but I only have a 47 litre tank. Interesting that Kia manage to use a bigger tank. As a result on highway I get about 800 kms. This is based on 6,000km of use so far over the last 5 weeks. In the Santa-Fe if I was to drive a long road trip on highway it returns about 7-8litres per 100kms. Crusing at 120kms (in France). My average since buying it at the moment is 5.7litres per 100kms.
@@BrantfordKia PHEV version has 67 litre gas tank? Basen on European leaflet it has got 47 only (HEV 67). So 1000km is absolutely not possible to reach. Basen on some tests would be below 800km.
@@rafalkociemski5997 I am getting around 800km to 850km in real life. Not according to "tests" but actual use. I think the on board computer uses the 47 litre tank divided by the (6'000 km) average consumption of 5.7litres.
The problem with this is that the 5.7litre consumption is based on some days when I use a fair bit of electric only, this brings the total average down. If I just jump in and drive straight onto the highway even after using the 50km of electric Kms I still won't be able to do 800km. More like 650km. This is slightly annoying because I find myself needing to fill up with fuel more often than my previous car. But you get used to it.
Do you need anything special to charge the car when you are traveling long distances and can't plug in at home?
Just access to a regular plug or a regular level 2 charge station (which are plentiful!)
@@BrantfordKia Thanks, love your videos, so informative.
I have booked 2022 Kia Sorento PHEV... is it true that one full tank yu can go up to 1400km? What's the realistic # you can go with full tank?
No! The initial size of the fuel tank was listed incorrectly. Although, in theory, if you just drive short trips, you can run on pure electric power, and that would allow you to get incredible fuel range, but it would not be on a single trip.
We are easily getting 1000 miles out of a tank as long as the battery is regularly charged. We are averaging around 100mpg (UK)
@@Bruntygenius do you have over 10k saved for new batteries? they only garantee failure..they do not garantee wear and tear.
do you think anyone will want that hybrid you own when 8 years old?
i wouldn't give u a fiver for it
@@isaachunt5799 last week I totaled my 2012 kia optima hybrid with 140,000 miles onit. My insurance company gave me $10k. I was quite happy with that. But this is a weird car market nowadays.
Once you deplete the batteries (ev range) you get worst fuel mileage then a regular hybrid, since you're now transporting a much heavier empty battery (450lbs is a lot).
I've heard it's good practice to charge batteries between 20 and 80% capacity. Is that good practice for a PHEV or does the computer take care of this and allow for topping off at 100%? Thanks for all the videos you do! They are very informative!
Great question. With PHEV's is much less of a concern. What they don't want with an EV is they don't want you using the top ten percent, and then charging, then repeat and repeat again. They also don't want it stored long term at a full charge. With an EV, you're regularly cycling through the battery, you're VERY rarely only using the very top of the battery, and the hybrid system takes care of things from there. I guess my only advice would be, if you're planning on having the car sit for. along period of time, don't leave it fully charged while you're away, or while it sits. Keep it in that 80 percent range or so. (That last bit is just advice from me, not from any official source) I hope that helps!
exact same drive train and battery between 22 sorento and tuscon plug in?
I can't say the exact same yet, but there will definitely be a lot of parts sharing between the two.
@@BrantfordKia the best looking and least family friendly hybrid. Captain chairs makes it effectively and 4 passenger vehicle. 3rd child or cargo space on road trips. No go.
@@Drogos79 I mean, it depends on the family. My family has 4 people and this would work well. Stay tuned though because the Santa Fe PHEV will be here this month, and I'll be getting it on video in detail.
@@BrantfordKia well, yes, it does depend on a family lol. Not questioning car choices of families with 2 kids as there are plenty...but there are families with 3, who also enjoy road trips and would like to be able to pack some bags and have AWD capability and be on more environmentally conscious side while lowering fuel costs....and these families will instantly scrap kia as an option. Just saying. Yes, santa fe remains a valid option since I refuse to buy toyota.
@@Drogos79 You're voicing things that I've said for a while. If you want a Kia Sorento with a Turbo or hybrid and you have 3 kids, you're sacrificing half your trunk, to take the third child. I hear you. A roof box is an option if you really like the vehicle, but that may not work for everyone.
Its called giving it the full beans
Haha! Yup!
Are the second row seats removable for additional cargo space?
They do fold down, but they're not removable without tools.
When are they available?
Today!! We have one in stock, with more on the way!
2.6 litres per 100 km. The 2022 kia sorento phev has a 12.4 gallon (56 litre) gas tank. Based on 2.6L/100km, the maximum range is 2100 kms?!!!
You likely won't be able to sustain that mileage, but if you did, you'd be charging a lot, and in that case, yes, we've seen PHEV's run thousands of kilometers on a single tank of gas.
The problem is the spindly battery capacity. You want at least 100-150km electric only range. Built in obsolescence by all car companies.
Really? Is car battery only expected to last 7yrs?
Wow... a lot to digest here. If someone wants a full electric vehicle, Kia makes great ones. This one is designed to give incredible fuel efficiency without any range anxiety at all. If you wanted that size of battery, you would sacrifice fuel efficiency as the battery would be too heavy. These cars are able to run the equivalent of many driver's daily drive on full electric, and when that range is done, the driver is STILL going to save significant fuel as the vehicle runs as a hybrid. Lastly the idea that a battery is only going to last 7 years? What's that based on? The warranty? By that logic, there should be a lot of Honda's that won't last beyond 3 years in Canada.
@@BrantfordKia I would sooner have the compromise. I get you want to make money, preserve profit margins, but not all customers are the same. If all car companies were honest they wouldn't hide the battery capacity. A hybrid capacity of 6-8kW will be useless in 7-8yrs. You'll be living on petrol. You can't even recharge from home solar panels because of that useless battery after 7 years. Even until then, you're limited in how far you can go...before you need petrol.
Built in obsolescence. There is only one car in the market that meets that criteria with a 23kwh battery. Not too big; not too small. It can deteriorate and still offer long term life. Stop the virtue signalling and offer value. Many people will want to use free renewable solar anyway.
@@AndrewSheldon Respectfully, I'm going to leave your comment without a response from me. I think we see a lot of things differently. Maybe we have more in common in our views than it seems, but the CZcams comment section isn't likely to be the place to have this discussion.
So it's not a good road trip car?
I would think it's an excellent road trip car. You get 51 kms of pure electric range before it switches over to an ultra efficient hybrid. There's a misconception that these aren't good for long drives, when in reality they're much better for long drives than the regular gasoline vehicles.
@@BrantfordKia 51 on pure electric but how about gas? I know that they work together to give more kms but just wanted to make sure. What if I'm out camping for a few days how often do I need to gas up the car when there's no place to plug it?
@@gedDous514 Even if you never plug in this vehicle, it will still always work as a hybrid vehicle. You just gas and go like a regular vehicle, but it will get better mileage because when it has no "plugged in charge" it still has some electric power that charges and discharges through braking, coasting, and in some cases by using the gasoline motor. Long story short, even when you don't plug in, you still get much better fuel mileage than you would get in a gasoline-only car.
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Tell us in miles and gallons
Ahh! 2.6L per 100kms rate of fuel consumption only when the battery is used with the motor in auto mode. Once the battery is drained, the rate of fuel consumption drops to 7L per 100km
Yeah exactly. But isn't that fantastic? That's a LOT of regular driving at absolutely mind blowing fuel efficiency and it's still about 30% better fuel efficiency than a non hybrid Sorento even if you never charge it. That's the point of PHEV'S. They're pretty great for fuel costs and overall emissions.
will be 10l per 100km's i garantee you that..waste of time buying this crap unless u only drive and live in the city
@@BrantfordKia my diesel tucson did 7l per 100km's..8 years down the line who is gonna buy a hybrid that will need a new battery. it's a marketing scam this hybrid crap.
i know i just bought one. utter waste of time.
If they brought this drivetrain to the Santa Cruz it would he hard not to want one more.
I agree... but keep in mind there would likely be compromises. The batteries add weight, so that alone could lower payload and towing capacity, and the 1.6 litre turbo may also lower towing capacity. It would be interesting because I think there would be a market for it, but it would add cost, and potentially lose capability. Having said all that, I hope the Santa Cruz succeeds enough that they consider it! We know the platform is capable of hybrid and PHEV drivetrains.
Give me a PHEV Telluride. I'll change manufacturers and give Kia a chance
Toyota Rav4 PHEV! Cheaper and longer EV only range. no brainer.
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Haha! Slacker!
@@BrantfordKia I could have written 1st because the one ahead me was a troll 😄
@@1stfrompuertorico568 You definitely should have! I do my best to report and delete all of those! You're still first in my heart... you know... compared to the troll!
@@BrantfordKia 😄👍💪
37 minutes? You drive 37 minutes to quote us this average?!?! Why not just drive it 15 seconds? …are you serious? Drive it for 2 weeks and then tell us
37 minutes drive is not enough data to make a video . Is more like a sales person try to sold a car not a good review . And you working for kia
So, you may be new to this channel. I do work for a dealer group that sells Kia and Hyundai vehicles. I make videos every single day that I'm here. This is an example of the first drive that I had in the vehicle where I was able to achieve the results that I showed. I've got a series of videos on these PHEV's and I'm pretty clear about what our customers are getting, and what real world expectations can be over the longer term. My job is to inform, and this video is a piece of that information, but not the total piece. I've been up front about that.
10l per 100 km's these do.. people are being fooled and scammed by this. if you live in the city and only drive in the city then yes.
but for a normal driver like me it's a scam.
just buy a diesel . forget this crap
Bull sh.iit. I buy new sorento phev, it take 13 liters in hybride mode, same autochoise, no metter if is smart mode or eco mode. Not tried sport, not want to see 20 liters/100km. All indicators are wrong. It show 55 km electric autonomy, after 5 km at 60km/h it go down to 71%. Car get locked down with wondows open, they not close automatic. I go back of the car with laugages, it unlock and open back door... but only 1 time in 5 tries. Than also all most every time when actualy open alone back door, after it lock back it unlock alone after just 10 steps away or so, so really bad thing if i enter for example inside a building near the road... it unlock alone and open back door. This is family car, nobody buy it to drive it alone inside. Also this 13 liters are consumed with just 2 adulta and 2 kids in car, you not want to write here what is show on board when full 7 people with laugages in.... And so many other problems, beside when travel with familly, you cant find that type of charger in Europa, it show in google map, but all most nowere is that type for this car. I am for 3 weeks in Greece, and bot yet find a working electric station to recharge. For example in Sitonia, popular turistic peninsula, is bot even 1 place where to recharge any kind of electric car. Their country burn in fire, but they not care about electric. In Olympus mountain is no more water. All is deserted. So i feel scammed. The only way to recharge is at some private howses, from normal socket and it do it at 1,2 ampers in... 14 hours!!! LOL that car not stay nowere 14 hours.... we travel not sleep in car.,. wtf....