Was the Chieftain Nerf ENOUGH??? World of Tanks
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- čas přidán 20. 11. 2023
- Update 1.22 significantly nerfed the T95/FV4201 Chieftain now two months later... was it enough? Prinoot reveals all!
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Actually QB I bought the Lorraine 50t and I believe it is the most fabulous vehicle in the game
Fabulous? Yes, after all it's on the box version of the game. Useful? Nope, tech tree one is far superior. 😃
@@Firefocus-fz2weYou missed the joke dude
".... because it allows me to tease you with comments like this" ;]
@@trolley13 I know what was said in the video 😏
its utter garbage and you most likely havent played too many tanks
WG really should do much more vehicle balancing. Not just nerfing op tanks but buffing old, outdated and underperforming ones.
Better nerfing op tanks as to increase the powercreep
Asking WG for balance is like asking Santa for presents
it is way better to nerf the couple of OP tanks than buffing everything else. so much faster and cheaper regarding recourses. they even could give the players with OP tanks the option, we either nerf the OP ones or buff everyting else. even as a player it would be more interesting to get OP tanks nerfed because that means more resourses will stay available for fun gamemodes for example or new maps/rebalancing excisting maps.
They promised more waves of rebalance with more vehicles affected, but we haven't seen them as of yet..
And obviously they'll never nerf premiums unless it's pre-release.
They really need to buff some older premiums, tanks like the FCM 50t just have no reason to exist anymore.
I’d love the mutant M6 to get a slight hull armor buff and add just enough to to the face turret so that at least if it looks at you, the only weak spot should be the top like it is now. If standard shelves can punch through its massive fat face before you can really aim to hit them back…. Then atleast buff the gun handling.
The Lowe, maybe it doesn’t need to aim so long, maybe it could turn a bit faster and accelerate better. Maybe it could reload just a bit faster.
The M-51, Sherman with the 105. Maybe it could accelerate a bit better, have a bit better gun handling, penetrate a little bit more on the standard shell or at least on the premium shell. Maybe it could see a bit farther or hide a bit better.
Idk, I’m just a guy that plays these things and that’s what I would want
all they needed to do is to add bigger cupola on turret and everything would be fine
or just make it weaker, the cupola has like 55-95mm of armor so the actual pennable part is very small
But it doesn't have bigger cupolas on the real thing???
@@derrickstorm6976hasn't stopped them before.
They've removed parts of cupolas in the past.
@@derrickstorm6976 are we talking realism in wot? cmon man, that was forgotten YEARS ago lol
Same with the Kran, all it needed was cupolas to be about 50mm taller.
view range should get changed a crossed the board so it goes back to LTs being the vision and everyone else can't really max it out. Same thing with radio. Absolutely cut the radio ranges down so it actually has a purpose in the game. Right now radio stuff is just there to make you grind something.
you do realize that all the old players have 2 million + xp ready to convert or already converted, right? a new line gets released and they have it day 1
Light tanks should have around 420-430 meters view range at tier X, mediums should be around 380-390 and heavies and tds around 340-350. That would force players to sacrifice mobility for view range or viceversa.
You just need to make commanders vision system light tanks only equipment to make them relevant again.
I agree. Nothing more annoying that getting suicided by the enemy LT when I’m in my LT and some heavy in the back gets all the spotting while I die.
@@KingKobra98 take a look at these new map events wg is catering to the heavy meta since there player base is getting worse, as more better players are giving up. its not a tactical game anymore its who ever has the better overall stats wins (insert 277/vz/wz5a)
how to fix said issue is 4x ever map size
Keep in mind that Chief players like me will spam full gold, run all bond equipment with an 8 skill crew. They don't do that for most other tier Xs, so a good part of that 1% over the average win rate comes from the setup itself.
Actually you should spend your BP tokens on the Lorraine 50t before the end of the year because that will make me feel less silly about getting mine last year.
No. 279e also still trolls around the battlefield, eating everything and taking 0 damage.
All the nerf did was make it so it takes a little longer to win.
maybe git gud
If you are one of those muppets who sits and just shoots frontally with autoaim instead of aiming downwards at the front plate, the sides of the front plates or shoot at the cupola then it's just a git gud situation.
To be fair, it was nerfed enough, since it's not used in advances and CW at all anymore. But still weird nerfs, the gun was always the worst part of Chief.
"oh, you believe working 8 hours with $250/h is not worthy? Okay, you can work 8.5 hours but still earn $250/h, how about that?"
TL;DR: No, they didn't nerf the armour at all
and?
@@durachoksit's a flimsy nerf. Gun still pens with gold, and the armor still enables it to trolololo.
@@ICCUWANSIUT It doesn’t have many things going for him and as It is a Cw reward vehiclr It may as well be a bit better/intresting.
@@aleksandarpetrovic5727 I detest the idea that every vehicle has to be good and perform roughly the same
I left around the time the Obj 277 came because it was just a clone of the last two heavies.
Now if WG would apply some RL physics to them darn EBR's. WoT would go back to the land of 🌈 & 🦄 Rock on Tankers 🤘😎
Zigzagging on ice, mud and sand without ever losing traction🤔 to name one. Driving in reverse almost as fast as forward and being just as maneuverable 🤨 to name two
Being able to HE pen the front of armored tanks with an auto lock while flying through the air at range or turning at 90kph
Still crying about EBRs in 2023 lmao
@@freakingcasual9996So in 2023 apparently stating a facts equal as a crying? 😂
@@januczak3705 more talking about the fact you are complaining about something that is not an issue.
12:21 Vegeta is proud of QB
I actually do like the Lorraine 50t bcs of its high standard pen. Can shot the Maus and most tier 8 heavies through the turret, and even the front plate of the obj 279.
This tank used to be in like every tier 10 battle now it’s a rarity just a few months later
QB would be surprised how bad view ranges my team always have... but then it matches their reaction times
One reason why the 279e and the chieftain still have high WR diff. is because most players use their bond equipment on them, instead of other tier 10s.
It may feel like less Chieftains and Obj279e's, but now its worse because it also feels like all those tryhard players are now in their tier VIII premium BZ's doing 850 damage a pop to tier X's, the game is flooded with those OP things.
I actually got the Lorr 50t. Haven't taken it for a spin yet, so, no idea if I'd like it. But, I'm a tank collector. I had all other tanks. So, I had the tokens to spent and increase my collection. ;)
Fake pixel tank collector. What can you do with those now? Nothing. They have no value in real life. What a waste of money.
Is the equipment loadout at the bottom a modpack feature or have i missed a setting in a patch yo turn that on.
Another thing to add on top of the Chief and 279 e not being in the MM is because the good players that 3 marked it DO NOT want to ruin the mark requirements for both of the tanks
xD that makes absolutely no fcking sence. when the tnaks get worse the Mark values drop in proportion to that so stfu. its jsut not fun anymore to play that dogshit cheif or 279. the tanks suck
the bounces of the side armor shows clearly how the armor is op. and The enemy team was kind of weak
Thumbnail should've been chieftain under a sledgehammer
The enemy leopard was Arslan, who is a Turkish player as it translates to Lion :)
I use coted optics on my type 5 and I got 2 marks I get lots of spotting cause I am so tall its easy assistance.
I kinda stopped around the waffentrager event, around the time when they needed this tank. I’m not bored I’m just playing other games and kinda doing other things
Well, I've seen less of them... Way less of them than I thought I would do. Surprising considering their armor etc was untouched
I genuinely love the Lorraine 50t it’s a Conquerer with a better turret and worse DPM with better mobility
The fact that the chieftian with bond rammer and everything has the same dpm of a SuperConq without any equipment speaks dividends
HAHAAH QB JUST SAW YOU IN THE NEW WG TRAILER WITH VINNY VINEGAR. YOU ARE LEGEND HAHAHAHA
Did you noticed VZ-55 new WR stats?
One massive misplay from the enemy team was the Leo trying to win harder by killing everyone instead of capping for the win
Meanwhile EBRs are still erratically zooming everywhere being almost unhittable. Also the wheels eat up tons of damage.
@QuickyBaby awesome seeing you in the holiday ops video (if it wasnt you then they found your worldly twin)
The changes were perfect. Its just simply a strong tier 10 now
This vehicle is formidable at Tier X but there is no reason it or the 279e should see Tier VIIIs. They made exceptions for wheeled vehicles, they can do it for these two.
Agree, wholeheartedly.
great video and i am hoping some day it will be in bond shop.
“Over Nine Thousand!” He’s vegeta confirmed
QB you used binocular in IS8 in a replay from 2012. lol
The main issue with the Chieftain: It's fast, and it's turret is literally over-powered with a cupola that barely can even qualify for a cupola.
WG balancing department: Nerf speed, penetration, reload and traverse, but don't touch the stupid turret and equally stupid "cupola"
WG nerfed the wrong statistics of the 279(e) and chieftain...
I think the nerfes were enough, these reard tanks are usually played by the "Crème de la Crème" of the players, so the results wont really mirror how strong the vehicle is. Gr8 vid! Loved it QB!!!
Yes, lor 50t the best for me from battle pass store. You know - it is frenchy what is why (also cobra long time done and germans are poppy tenks :) )
Thanks QB
Thgis makes me more sad than anything else. The enemy team was garbage, heavies away from the city, so this t95 could pick off everyone one by one. The Leo with premium bouncing twice on side armor...and even coming from the front instead of the "smart" play, from behind, breaks my heart. That should have been a clear loss.
Well, if the enemies can't aim properly the Chieftain player is hardly the one to blame.
yeah i dont find anything special on this game besides some tourists on the enemy team giving free win to the other team + the free hp ofc
@@casuscnactus4864 If they cannot pen the side armor, the biggest part of a tank, with premium, the highest pen possible...i say that is not entirely up to the player alone to fail to damage him.
@@KubusSc7 By having been through this experience multiple times I can tell you that it is about aiming. The lower part of the side is angled. We have quite a few tanks in the game who are built that way and aiming for the upper half of the hull side will result in a penetration. And don't come tell me its down to RNG when you are sticking your gun into his side.
@@casuscnactus4864 You identified perfectly why new tanks are mostly shit because too strong armored. Back in the day tanks had strengths and weaknesses. That has been turned upside down. I play this game since 2013. It was amazing the first years. It got worse year after year. The Chieftain and 279 e are the best but not the only examples of that.
Pleasantly surprised to see Mr Quackybabs as a enforcer of Vinnie Jones naughty list :)
talking about loot crates: for the first time in the last 3 or 4 years i'm already thinking not to buy them this time (unless there is the BZ and the EBR 😅)
The lorraine 50 t actually good on a ridgeline tier for tier and lower, dom could be better though
Still think the biggest strength of this tank is the armor. Bounced 4.5k. Gun still works and all you have to do is get behind something and shoot the other tanks cupola. Good luck hitting the chieftains.
They nerfed the wrong thing, it just needed some sort of turret weakspot, a larger cuppola would have been fine, the HE nerf is what caused all these problems, at least when you could do 100-200 with HE it felt like you could actually do something, now, once its hull down, it just seems like there is nothing you can do, and thats just same tier, let alone tier 8s.
Ah 40.. i remember those halcyon days.... *Sobs quietly*
I wanna play WOT again, how do i install wargaming centre. Tried multiple time and still keep showin error 'cannot established connection'.
I've closed firewall, antivirus, internet option check,...etc. Still got same error
I'm on Win 11 64 bit , 16Gb RAM, external GPU..
had that cs63 gone with the leopard, prinoot would’ve been done for.
Looking for nerfs on the BZ-176 and the Cobra as they are more game-breaking for lower tiers at the moment…
Also wargaming should prohibit platoons of these vehicles from going into battle…
For example triple 279e’s, triple BZ-176 or triple Cobras are not good for the game!
I don't know where the statistics at the end came from, in the last 500 fights I met 2 Chieftains. Before there was no struggle to not be at least one. This proves that it is no longer played, it is not what it used to be and you lose silver even if you win. The last CW final marked the end of this tank.
Actually QB I bought the Lorraine 50t, cus it was the only one I didn’t have.
it should be tier 11 to be fair
I don't understand why they don't buff old tanks, it would open up the premium market, make the game more fun, and make them heckatona of money
I bought the Lorraine 50T (didn't play it yet) as i could not buy the KPZ3 proj 07 and I had already all the other tanks... Sorry QB
I think the nerf is good enough. For the random queue it's still strong but for competitive play it's very underwhelming.
this nerf job is nothing compare to dismantling obj 268v4, the bobjet is no fun anymore
Either buff old or nerf Donkey and 279 more. They are still OP AF, either make their speed 30kph or make their accuracy .40 so they can’t snipe. Current versions are like slower leopards with high pen and high accuracy. This should not be the case for a heavy tank at all.
Skill issue
then why are clan wars all heavy tanks? Cause they are the most competitive and overtuned class @@Duka101
I saw you on Vinnie Jones video mate
Bruh just saw qb in the blitz christmas video, no wonder he hasn’t been streaming this week !!
give it only tier X MM that would solve a lot
And I've been trying for years to get enough resources to get one of these....
after 20 sec... ehm T8 battle ... he has fun, no matter with or without nerf ...
2:08 what he says there, WG should listen to that and maybe check their russian heavies.
Non-native English speaker here. Why does QB uses "their" in context of a single person? I am confused...
the fact that they decided to nerf this thing but left out the S Conq - something that could actually be played on modes like Onslaught - absolutely baffles me. not saying that Chieftains nerfs were unnecessary, but if you were to rebalance one annoying hulldown British HT, why don't you do both of them? also, the main thing that makes this so annoying to play against was the armor layout, and that didn't get change one bit. speed and firepower are just cherries on top. now it will still steamroll you, it's just that it will do it in a slightly slower fashion. when was the last time WG completely reworked an entire tank anyway? IS-3A?
Yes, the Nerfs certainly were enough. It's still a good random tank which is special to others, but wont just farm everything like its free. Also, Clan Wars meta shift proofs this further - Previously you'd use 10-15 Chiefs on a team, pretty much regardless of the map, but now there's so much more variety and barely any chieftains played at all. T110E5's, 60TP's, Obj. 907's and so on are more used now and the Clan Showdowns also prove that the top clans do indeed think the Chieftain is no longer worth playing (In terms of clan wars) Yet the tank remains special enough to be played on randoms (As long as you try to forget what it used to be like "back in the days") Also, 5-6 Years of single tank dominated meta is way too much.
so true, it is now much more fun to play advance and stronghold with a bigger variety of vehicles from the normal tech tree :)
Grinded 2 marathons so far… t25 pilot and wz 114… i think i‘ll never do that again… t25 pilot is/ will get buffed from what i heard but wz 114 is still in a horrible state
As someone who owns both the 279e and chief but has lost interest in playing the game for the most part, I wish instead of giving out tanks which are just best in class they would instead be some super wacky gimmick tanks. I can just imagine a manticore with a 183mm gun or a tank that's whole thing is built around ramming seeing as Wargaming really don't seem to care what they put into the game now anyway
Something like the cobra. Sure its broken too but its not straight up op, and its unique enough fo be a great reward. Same goes for the shitpak. Stuff like that should be reward tanks.
@@Terrorbrotthe cobra is op as hell
@@bigmoist1946how is it OP? Luke the other user said, it is broken and crazy but its also super hard to play and not forgiving at all. It's hardly a description of OP tank
@@marasenhayeah I'd say it's akin to the VK 28 back in the day. Worst in class for everything comparatively but if you used the gun it was still very good.
I think this tank is alright how it is now, at the end of the day it’s a reward tank, so it can’t be too bad. If it is incredible with an incredible player, but meh with an average player, that’s great.
Good Vid.
The problem with 279 e and Chieftain was not in their stats or that they were overpowered but rather in the combination of said stats, very skilled players and the fact they can match against tier VIII tanks. If only they would give these vehicles tier XI matchmaking making it impossible to go against tier VIII vehicles that would be absolutely sufficient. Nerfing them just frustrated players who actually got these tanks going through hell with blood and sweat in clan wars and it did not really fix the main problem with matchmaking.
Chieftain is no bigger problem for tier 8s than other tier 10 heavies are. You can at least shoot it's lower plate when it's out of position.
Type 5 is far more oppressive against tier 8s and nobody complains about that tank's matchmaking.
A good chief or 9e player before the nerfs never wants t8 mm, less HP to farm. The combination of stats was indeed too much for both tanks, having skilled players playing them was just the cherry on top
This game won't be 40 because it's only got a couple of minutes left.
I love QBs commentaries man 🤣
Not the game. The player, if born in 1983. With clue in his nickname.
Must of been enough, I dont see them every game now. Same with the 279. Maybe see 1 a week instead of 1-2 each game
Worked my butt off as an average player in three different Clan Wars to get a Chieftain, still couldn't qualify so I ended up grinding out bonds in the months leading up to the third CW to get one in auction. Finally got it. It was a good tank. Then WG screwed all that hard work in one patch. So now I don't really see the point in grinding for anything in the game anymore. What's the point if all that hard work was for nothing? Just a waste of time.
Wot IS a waste of time. Also what they have done is bait&switch con move on the players.
Sc63 has wet pants the entire battle. Also why leopard didn't cap with him?
Most op thing in this game is playing with or against faulty human brains
great video qb
Tanks like this is the reason I dont even bother to play Tier10. Its easily the most unfun tier in the game.
The only "fantastic job" WG did is nerfing these POS. On average when an OP tank is nerfed most players will drop it like it was poisoned, hence why neither Chieftain nor Object are seen in random battles post-nerf.
unless they make a bigger weakspot on the turret, no, WG have not nerfed the Chief enough. its still a boss hulldown and on ridges, and you need full 2 key to play against it.
ffs, the rng this prem round clown had in this game.....ridiculous.
btw ramming dmg at less than 30 kmh should be nothing. the physics of that are just dumb.
I think it's rather hilarious people compare the Kranvagn to this tank...we shouldn't be comparing the best tanks to it in the first place. Compare this joke of a tank to the VK that he killed in the beginning.
My AMX CDC is crying for attention!
LOL I have at least 2-3 bond turboes without playing any of the special game modes...
thats not possible. do you mean bounty turbo?
do video on T110E5 please
especially in this new climate of WOT
they dont know how to balance, they should of added the real cupola that tank was suppose to have. nothing changes in that tank still.
since none of the chiefs broken stats have been touched, it still needs to get nerfed a lot. lower turret armor or bigger cupola, less gun depression or maus like turret and gun traverse, and the hull sides and rear should be fragile to any form of HE.
more like you lack skill, rather than nerf X or Y because i suck
Nah, I thinks its kinda fine now. I mean if a Super Conquerer goes hulldown you won't be able to penetrate it either. What made the Chieftain so OP was its insane mobility.
Players: this tank has op armor reeee.
WG: ok, we nerf gun and engine.
I'm glad they've nerfed this and the 279E on PC because they're both still insanely OP on console
Nerfing vz55 was no brainer
I'm a firm believer in turreted tanks having weak points above the neckline. At least give players a chance for spanking a heavy tank.
My lorraine 50t 1650 wn8 hit ratio 79% k/d ratio 1,52 dmg ratio 1,29 not bad for my 1546 wn8 recent and 1319 overall account 🥰
Still an OP vehicle but also an OP player. Very impressed with the way he saved that teammate in the FV4005, even if he only delayed the inevitable.
Its not, you see nerfing doesnt help when the players playing it are smart. Im confused and feel it was ignorant to leave out the VK just chilling at the top. Again a ok tank that only the best can play, so OF COURSE its op when you meet it.
These 2 nerfs were so unnecessary . premium tanks and the power creep needed nerfs not these 2 reward tanks
Welp, the DPM's balanced.
*Now, give the tank a weakspot, Wargaming.*
I have lor 50t and its trash... but can be fun when i go for the rams :D
Im a full free to play player. Never bought anything in the game. Every battle in tier 8 and higher with a non max tank is just pure pain. Half cant even be penned with gold so you either lose credits or lose more credits for repair. Tier 5 is ruined by the lefh. Im not surprised that for f2p tier 6 or 7 is the most fun and balanced (with exceptions ofc). Game balance is aparently not often discussed in WoT
all i see in "good" games are people getting very accurate shots while bouncing a shit ton.
Leopard 1 ruined the game for sure
That's it qb rile up the sub 50% bots...gg
sorry not as impressed as QB was with primo play. It's still an OP tank in a tier 8 match...