How Across the Spiderverse Weaponized the Meta-Narrative
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- čas přidán 21. 08. 2024
- Today, I'm exhausted, delirious, and talking about Sony's latest Across the Spider-verse movie. This video is not my normal content, as it's half review, half thought vomit in loose essay format. Regardless, I hope you find something in this video, and that you enjoy.
I'll make a far better video essay on this film at some point, I promise.
Until then, enjoy!
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I totally felt that when Miguel was telling Miles he isn't supposed to exist. I almost felt like Miguel was the haters saying that miles shouldn't exist.
Absolutely. Glad I'm not the only one who felt that way, and I'm excited to see how the sequel resolves everything.
If u look at one of the interviews they tell you its because the fans hateing
it was a multi layered statement... surface level, bc hes an anomoly. deeper, how some spiderman fans dont fw him (for some reason?). by extension, could be how black ppl are told they dont belong in certain spaces. its pretty sick how diff you can interpret it and it still send a message and make sense
Im glad you mentioned Nueva York Train Chase. That song is a masterpiece in so many ways, and I haven’t seen any reviewer of this movie even recognize or mention it.
Of course! Honestly I'm surprised no one else has mentioned it. It seemed like a really powerful and noticable detail to me. Hopefully as the movie becomes more accessible we'll see even more details getting noticed and discussed.
I majored in English in college. One of the major themes we explored in my final critical analysis class senior year was literature as fables-stories we tell that teach lessons. Something I took away from that class was a newfound love of meta-textual literature and deconstructions. While we need cut-and-dry, good-and-evil, trope signifier stories to keep us grounded and provide structure to the world, deconstructions and meta-narratives remind us that those structures are artificial. That is both a scary and wonderful thing, because while yes, the good guys don’t always win, when there are no rules, miracles can happen.
This whole paragraph is a freaking masterpiece. I'm gonna print this out and hang it on my wall, honestly.
@@timberw0lfstudios I guess my bachelor’s degree was good for something. 😅
Olivia Octavius's fate remain unknown from that truck
Oooooh good point. Think we'll see a reappearance in the third film?
Jonathan Ohnn sent the spider which wasn't from 1610 it's really from earth 42 now becoming more powerful and undefeated and about to succeed inevitably
This movie is such a good deconstruction of what spider-man is. I've seen so many takes that Spider-man is nothing without tragedy, that to be spiderman is to be suffering. It might be correct, but the beauty of this movie, and hopefully the third is that it dares to question this idea of suffering, while also getting away with it.
spoilers below:
This third really does have the chance to squander its philosophical insight, however. There's the idea that Gwen found that she was able to save her father without causing a canon event to collapse kind of has confusing messaging. This trilogy has been very very ambitious, and the third movie has that insane philosophical task of answering what spider-man can be. Can spider-man be Spider-Man without that loss?
It's a really interesting insight into our own selves. As viewers, we cannot possibly relate to Spider-Man, who has to make the hard choice every day of his life, just like how we cannot relate to a military veteran coming home from war. I not only hope the film addresses this, but is able to allow miles and us the audience to accept this.
We are who we choose to be. We are flawed, and will never truly empathize with things we have never experienced. Even so, we choose to try and be better.
Beautifully said, my friend.
You're right in that what the third film is set to accomplish is no easy feat, but I can hardly think of a more capable group of storytellers than those who've helmed the narrative thus far. If Beyond the Spider-Verse succeeds in its ambition, it has the potential to become not only one of the greatest Spider-Man films, but one of the greatest superhero films ever created.
And I'm all for it.
All power to the team at Sony. Wishing them the best in this next endeavor.
The circumstances of the appearance of the cartel of earth 42 unfortunately never been revealed
Hopefully we'll get an explanation of some sort soon
Miguel and Jess are still in Earth 1610 they'll have to face spot by themselves with other society members
I'd prefer if they delayed the sequel by years if that's required to keep up the quality/not crunch the animators for a year.
Totally agree, and it looks like that's exactly what will happen (which is good). Regardless, I'm excited to see what the sequel holds!
There is so much going right with this movie, so it sticks out like a sore thumb when there is a logical missing beat between the grounding, and Gwen meeting Miles' parents. It's brave editing, to only leave in the most important emotional beats, and considering everything else being so good, i'll place my faith that it was the right choice given the circumstances, but it's unfortunate that it had to be.
One of the most beautiful pieces of art I’ve ever seen or listened to. The only thing I’d complain about is the movie is paced a little slow/long because they gave themselves 2 movies to tell 1 story. I don’t mind the cliff hanger but it does mean we are gonna have to wait years to see the conclusion (probably, because of course it’s gonna get delayed).
I definitely felt the pacing begin to unravel during the last 30 minutes, when it was clear we couldn't conclude this story but barreled on regardless. I'm hoping the third film isn't delayed, but I suppose at this point hoping is all we can do.
The planed release date is set for March 29, 2024. So we hopefully dont have to wait for long
Regardless of the pacing it was too much story for 1 movie. Maybe 1.5 if it was super tight
Dude…that scene in the first Spider Verse where the spider guys are comforting Miles cause they all lost someone. That’s looking a lot more sinister these days. What a crazy set of films. I have NO idea how they’re gonna wrap this up.
You're totally right. That scene and others are recontextualized given the sequel. Excited to see how the third one wraps it up. Shameik Moore told me it'll make us cry, and I'm choosing to believe him on that.
@@timberw0lfstudios I’m ready to BAWL 😭
Miles think that his friends never came to see him especially Gwen and left them out feeling betrayed and sent mistakenly in earth 42 in captivity with no hopes to return home leading to Aaron Davis and Prowler Miles G Morales the only survivors that never got involved with the cartel
Spark ignited. Thank you for this video. Off to more analysis videos and to patiently wait to buy this movie and the sequel.
I'm glad you enjoyed it! And yes, I'm right there with you: more analyses while we wait, please and thank you!
Your content is superb and undeniably thoughtful and articulate. You made me watch this movei again with an even greater appreciation. thank you!
You're so welcome! Thank you for all your encouragement and support; I'm glad I could help you appreciate the film more!
Great video bro! It was captivating and thought provoking! Well done.
Thank you so much, brother! I'm so glad you enjoyed it!
Amazing.
Thank you so much, I'm glad you enjoyed!
I wonder how The Spot fits in with these thoughts surrounding the movie. I hope your 'proper' video essay as mentioned in the description addresses this, because his role in the film is a little different to the meta-narrative elements you talk about here.
In this video you mentioned how subverting the death of " the captain " figure resulted in the annihilation of the world, which I believe you're talking about Inspector Singh in India Spiderman's dimension. But when I first watched the movie, the decaying blobs depicted looked exactly like Spot's holes, likely due to his tempering with the Spider verse; the Spider Society misattributed the destruction with Miles.
In the film, we've seen with Gwen how "breaking the canon" doesn't necessarily result in dimension reality failure, it's not yet proven a law of the multiverse even though Miguel vehemently believes this.
Perhaps the strict adherence of maintaining Spiderman's tragedy status/convention blinds us to potential dangers of "sticking to the Canon". You can probably make better interpretations than that.
I hope you consider these half-thought-out points. I really look forward to your next video on Spiderverse!! 😆
Thank you so much for your feedback. I think you're right in that Miles takes undue blame for the dissolution of a dimension when there are clearly more factors to consider. I'm excited to flesh out more thoughts in a future video, likely after the trilogy concludes. Thank you again for your support and interpretations!
Excellent video I wish meta narrative was used more
Thank you so much! And definitely: it's nice to see meta narrative becoming more mainstream, and there's still a ton of potential behind it
Great video!!! Potentially spoilers:
So I felt when on the train scene where Miguel tells Miles that “that spider wasn’t for you …” he implicitly meant “it was for me.” I’m aware that this would be a significant departure from the comics, so potentially not a spoiler, but I think it gives motive to Miguel in a way that will drive the narrative in the sequel, so that Miguel truly does embody the kind of disgruntled old guard who feel like the youth are destroying their community (in this case the Latino community if you want). Any thoughts?
I think that's a brilliant interpretation, honestly. Even if it's only headcanon, I really like that angle, and it could be construed to imply what you mentioned regarding communities. Overall, I think that's a great take.
The art and cinematography was excellent. Was a few of narrative choices I didn’t like. Like why would Miguel send Gwen if he knew it would be problematic? And some comedic moments that either didn’t work for me or lasted too long. But the rest of the film was so excellent it overshadows the small narrative choices I didn’t like.
I very much agree. It's few shortcomings are easily redeemed by the film's other aspects. As the group at Cinemasins would say, "No movie is without flaw." This one does it's best to get darn close, though.
Spider woman send gwen without miguel knowing when they mest up Indian Spidermans world he found out