Catcher Perspective: Willson Contreras's Gruesome Injury | Foul Territory
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- čas přidán 7. 05. 2024
- The guys react to the gruesome injury to Willson Contreras
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They're telling catchers to get as close as they can so they can frame low pitches as strikes. This is the result of that. Neither JD or Contreras was at fault, the Cardinals staff is.
Just recapping the video? Lol
not really just the cardinals, but overall MLB teams mindset on catching technique
@@madxD144 Fair enough, Im probably biased against them because this is the first time its gone this horribly wrong.
It's definitely not the batters fault. He's just swinging at a pitch. Not his job at all to be looking out for making sure he dosen't hit the catcher. He's not even supposed to be looking at him.
@@madxD144 Get ready for more injuries then.
Ex-catcher here (not close to these guy's experience. But) this was just a matter of time. Like them, i noticed the big, big uptick in catcher interface. I was really surprised how high up he got hit. I've never seen anything like that.
Sadly the only one I can fault is Wilson. He's the only one who can control the distance and you know when it's to close for comfort. The backswing is another story but to get hit that high up on the front swing is crazy. Also I've been saying for about 5 year's that if I'm catching above high school I want wristbands with at a minimum some thin sturdy plastic inserts. Blocking a 100 mph heater is something to take pride in but doesn't tickle. If he had them on both sides around his arm it would have hurt but not that bad. Then again I don't anyone expected a catcher to get hit so high up..
Get well soon. This sucks.
the fact that an actual PROFESSIONAL ANNOUNCING TEAM repeatedly called it a "backswing" is beyond fathomable.
I didn’t even realize that until reading this but you’re totally right lol. What do they even mean by that
Just wondering if "beyond fathomable" is similar to "unfathomable" or does it carry more "ooomph" so to speak?
Not trying to be an asshole.
Kudos to you Sir, for not saying "beyond unfathomable".......which obviously would then be "fathomable." Lol
Let me guess the Cardinals broadcast? The same idiots who thought Mikolas was right to bean Happ after Contreras was too close and got hit by the backswing?
@@babagaming7867right lol. Happ literally apologized and checked if he was alright immediately after that too. They were teammates at one point even it's not like he did it on purpose.
if you cant fathom it, make a plan to. really not that hard to understand that older gentleman announcing a game make mistakes, but maybe youre just hateful
Seen more catcher’s interference calls in recent seasons more than ever before so thanks for this perspective. Feel bad for Contreras. Now what about batters hitting catchers on their back swing? That shit needs to be called out. It’s dangerous.
Edit: wrote this comment before AJ addressed the back swing. Good for him for speaking out!
Lmfao. If you're in the Batter’s box you can swing. If you're the catcher it's on you. Come on dude.
“It was nobody’s fault. Contreras was just too close.”
Well, it’s Contreras who put himself that close. So I guess it’s technically his fault.
Well the cardinals asked him to move closer apparently, so it’s their fault actually
@@MrCrs9225they also told him to jump off a cliff
@@MrCrs9225 he has free will to say no.
@Smallvillefreak say no to the team and manager that benched him last year for his defense? Lol yeah, no, that's not happening. He's too much of a team player and he cares about playing well, so of course he's going to say yes.
@@MrCrs9225 how well is he playing with a shattered forearm? Seems like he’ll be benched for weeks to months. 🤔
I've never seen this at any level, terrible injury. Robo Ump will solve the problem, then catchers can be back farther and they dont have to worry about framing.
Analytics is becoming the biggest threat to player safety and heath in baseball.
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Bro is literally in his bat path idk what Wilson thinking
Nobody thinks it is JD Martinez's fault. It's 100% the fault of the organization and staff who pushed Contreras 3' further, admitting it's putting him at risk, in order to maybe catch a low strike or two. Blame is easy to assign, and so is the fix. Batters have boxes, so should catchers.
They’ll need to make a catcher’s box. It’s stupid. This is little league stuff. First time you get hit, you learn quickly not to ever do it again
Marmol should resign he is to blame for this injury and losing your best player!
He's bad. He should resign on those grounds alone.
Yeah right he’s a kiss ass him and Mo will sink with the ship and blame the fans
Robo umps. No need for catchers to cheat up and frame pitches. Solved, you're welcome.
stealing strikes is cool but losing your best hitter for 6 weeks is brutal
Was Angel Hernandez the ump that called catcher's interference on the pitch out/ thrown bat thing?
Prayers for Contreras. He waa qay 2 close. He was told 2 move up closer so he can catch the low ball and frame it as a strike. Baseball has 2 make a rule or teach and train the catchers 2 stay at a safer distance.
Bro, he’s too close! I am former minor-league and major league player. Just that screenshot he is on top of him and the simple fact of the backswing allowance just is really crazy. Maybe he was just moving forward and was a breaking pitch and he was trying to cut it off. I don’t know, but this is crazy bro.
Love this crew
Get well soon Wilson!
Just happened to Bailey with the Giants. He was hit in the head with hitter's back swing in three straight at bats. That's what I says while we were watching. He was just too close.
Enact Automatic balls and strike in MLB and then it should not matter if the catchers were 5 inches further back. Problem solved.
Wilson was definitely close but they even said JD back foot was 2" past the box they were both too close nd a freak accident. It definitely sucks but hopefully Wilson will be ok.
Who cares what “they” said. Theres literal footage of it you can view yourself. Hes in the box
Twins fan here. Still love AJ. ❤❤
no one cares
And yet Marmol and Mozeliak are still employed hahahaha
This happened on my middle school team once, with our catcher taking the bat to his elbow.
I’ll trust what AJ says and that it was Wilson’s fault for being way too close to JD. Very unfortunate all around, for the Cardinals and for baseball as a whole. Wishing Wilson a speedy recovery.
J.D Martinez did it to his brother on the Brewers twice as well last year which is weird….
As a former catcher, I have said this time and time again, stop setting up so close to the plate. That's straight up ridiculous. He was right on top of the plate, of course he's gonna get hit with the bat. Baseball has gone so far down hill over the last few years, it's crazy. I never once gotten hit with a bat. It wasn't even a thought in my head. How do these guys make so much money and not know the fundamentals of baseball?
The only thing Baez can hit now is the catcher on his back swing 😂
Fair point lmao
cannot blame martinez for this accident
JD has a habit of having his back foot completely out of the box but Contreras had no business being literally beneath him
@@mlbjmaur jd looked to be in batter's box in this cade
Yadi framed as good as any...he wasn't up that close
Soo, a batter scooting back past the back line of the batter’s box is no bueno..but a catcher scooting up to “steal strikes” is a a-ok...humm….”To blame someone else for your misfortune shows a lack of education. To blame yourself shows your education has begun. To blame neither yourself..or someone else shows your education is complete.”
Actually a solid point lol I didn’t even consider that when they said it
Blame the cardinals for this. Stop forcing catchers to be that far up.
Respect the bat
Jesus christ that looked bad
Speaking of Donnie Sands, he's still unsigned. Maybe the Cardinals should sign him for AAA depth. They have a need now...
That’s about the 4th or 5th time this season alone, I’ve watched a catcher in Major League Baseball, learn a little league lesson.
Used to never see this. Now it's all the time. Mlb needs to do something about it. These are needless injuries and it's distracting from the game.
Smith & Barnes have both had a few C.I. calls. This was part of the whole " Mr. Irrelevant" fiasco. Profar ( allegedly) Jacob Ellsbury(ied) into Smith's glove, so he could get on base. Profar say's " nah, Smitty trying to steal a strike"!
????
Im a LAD fan, but im not normally biased. So i keep an open mind. I think Profar has priors' tho
What in the hell did you just say
It wasn't that hard to understand, cmon. Stop with the bs
Accidents happen
It sux but it's life
I'm suprised Mikolas didnt throw another temper tantrum.
But wait didn’t MLB move the Pitchers mound back a foot last year
I predicted these catching injuries once they started teaching these new ridiculous mechanics. I reiterated the problem this past April. These metrics aren't accurate regarding balls and strikes. They are based on a fallacy. Umpires call the pitch before it reaches the catcher's glove. Catching mechanics can only lose you strikes 99% of the time. The only exception is when the batter or catcher's set up obstructs the view. Any movement of the catcher's glove once it's caught is going to most likely cause a ball call if the ump can't see where you caught it.
I put the blame on the coaches teaching this nonsense just like I blame them for the pitching injuries teaching compact pitching motions and legwhip kick finishes.
The funny thing here is that you give the umpire a pass in a rare show of objectivity. But, you're actually wrong by rule.
The umpires are actually allowed to instruct rhe catcher to move back and should recognize when a catcher is dangerously close as Contreras was. However, umpires are reticent to do that because they run into catcher's like AJ Ellis who are too stupid to know when an umpire is trying g to help them and get themselves ejected instead. Common practice except at levels below high school varsity is to not get involved until someone complains. That is because the only penalty that can be applied is ejection or was. NFHS can warn and restrict as of the last 2 decades. However, MLB can only eject for for ignoring an umpire's order.
In MLB, I'm sure umpires are hesitant to tell a MLB catcher "how to play." That being said, Contreras' potion was ridiculously close. I would have at least given him a heads up before an official warning.
So, you could put some of the blame on the umpire here if he didn't notice this or at least say something to Contreras.
He is way too close to the batter. But it was only a matter of time until contreras got hurt somehow
Get rid of these fucking umpires and go with the electronic strike zone and you won’t have catchers trying to “steal” strikes
The batter was in too close as well
You can fix the issue of strike-stealing with robo-umps… just saying
Sadly, all Wilson's fault.. he put himself too close... I caught.. I umpire.. many times I'm asking young catchers to move back.. Yeah, it makes my job easier when they are close... but watching things like we just saw with youth players... it made me sick to my stomach to watch it here.. it's worse when it's a kid... it sucks.. but it's the choice as a catcher you make... getting up close.. but Kratz is right.. you have to find the line and work on your technique... getting too close can get you a few more strikes.. but it also gets you a few more bruises.. or in this case.. broken bones.
This is true getting the call is noteworthy but getting on disabled list in mlb has its issues as to wether you stay or get sent down .
In this guys case he's looking at 5 to 6 weeks some kid gets called up he hits from both sides gets lucky and hits 350 with ten Homer's in twenty plus game its a business so who do keep
this is coaching to blame. it's not just the cardinals preaching this but it can't happen. stealing strikes is cool but losing your best hitter for 2 months is devastating
Wrong! It's every teams fault for trying to gain in advantage on the player by catching potential balls early and turning them into strikes
Backswing …. Not whatsoever ..
catchers you gottaaaa measure yourself to EVERY BATTER..
If we had robo-umps this framing and reaching up to the plate nonsense would finally end. It's the dumbest part of the game.
I know it won't fix the problem, but what about teams being more open to using left handed catchers? It would still be the same problem, but possibly lesser of one with the catchers arm being on the opposite side of the body
Marcel Ozuna hit both Dodgers catchers. Smith twice and Barnes just a few days ago
That was Bush league, Ozunas swing was wayy too big that's how catchers get concussions
My problem is the stupid trainer always running out with a fucking towel? A towel isn't going to fix a broken arm or a hit by a pitch! They always look so damn clueless
they do always stay strapped with those towels don’t they lmao
JD Martinez’s foot was outside the batters box in the back. He is also also to blame.
Nope….every batters back foot is on the back line…..EVERY!!!!
pushing the limits and went too far
You guys are not looking at this in the big picture at all, this isnt just a catchers issue. for those confused why Contreras was so close to the plate, you haven't been watching baseball for the past 6 years. this isn't a Contreras problem its another baseball problem. as pitching has gotten where it has with velocity batters are way farther back in the box and to be able to catcher these wicked breaking balls somewhat close enough to the strike zone to frame an ump, catchers have moved up close. like ozuna hit like 5 catchers and i think will smith twice last year, its been a problem for a while and its a shame no one will acknowledge.
and it has been shown already, jd WAS out of the batters box, and its pretty clear that he was so you cant JUST blame contrares here.
Dude 2 ex big league catchers there, 2 World Series winning catchers , believe if they say it like that it is like that
@@manuelpinzon7207 sure if you just want to believe every pundit then go for it. I'm gonna believe the statistics, analytics, and the obvious nature of the issue at hand. way to not be able to formulate your own thoughts. makes you seen really really smart
The catcher needs to stay further back from the plate to me this is bad coaching
This sport is getting stupid the over framing is one thing, why don't they just crouch in the batters box? I'll be watching overtime thrillers in the NHL playoffs
That’s catchers interference and also Wilson Contreras is a idiot for being to close to the batters box you have to scoot back a inch or two and for the umpire to understand that to so accidents don’t happen of losing a good player on the IL plain and simple!!!
Contreas isn't an idiot. His adjustments at catcher this year have improved his defense drastically. He went from being an average to bad catcher to one of the leagues best. JD wasn't in the box and has been involved in three other incidents of catchers interference. FT guys were extremely misleading.
@@irvinglambert9316 wrong answer how many accidents has that happened to Wilson Contreras and how come JD Martinez never had that problem in a Dodgers uniform last season I’m sorry but I know about more baseball ⚾️ then you Irving
You better not talk bad about HR leader Marcel Ozuna from the Braves
His entire foot was behind the line! Stop with the bullshit
IDK, jd has hit that family like 4 or 5 times only and his foot was CLEARLY out of the box. wilson was too close, i agree, but jd was the only one who was straight up breaking a rule.
Huh? Hit that family?
@@MrCrs9225 JD hit William Contreras twice in the same game against the Brewers. Same story. People can blame the catcher all they want, but when the batter is not in the batter's box, he is breaking the rules.
@@MrCrs9225 jd hit william, wilson's brother twice just last year.
Ok but it IS partially JDs fault. On purpose or not he was illegally standing outside the back of the batter box. Don't tell me hes innocent. Same goes for the umpire, it's on him to enforce the batters box