That's the issue. Life long Ford truck guy here. Rangers /F150s/F250s/Transit vans. ALL served my family very well. Just good basic maintenance. Ford has mastered the GTDI design. Guys get 300k+ mis on 3.5L Twin Turbo. Plus they offer excellent 5.0L Coyote V8. '24 Ranger Raptor in driveway. Best midsized truck out there.
@@kedrevs4037 Fords done spectacular w/its gen1 & now gen2 GTDI engine design. Plus great 5.0L Coyote avail. Can't be best selling 47yrs STRAIGHT if not excellent. Facts.
I completely agree w your “design flaw” theory on the engine. The metal debris explanation is full of holes. This is a much worse problem than Toyota wants to admit. Expect litigations from FTC and DOJ. Ultimately Toyota will be forced to settle and buy back impacted vehicles.
@@bobcook8576 that’s about the market value of those trucks. It’s logistically impossible to perform the repair nor swap out the engine for that many trucks. If it’s cheaper to buy back, Toyota will have to do it.
As a content creator myself, I was blasted for not buying the ALL NEW AMAZING TUNDRA! I am glad I didn't worry about getting views but buying arguably one of the greatest V8 trucks out there. Glad I went with my 20 - 1794. I hope Toyota figures this out, but its going to cost them a pretty penny!
I will agree, but I have never had a problem with my my 5.7 Tundras. The 6 speed, and their horsepower/torque last half of forever,only routine maintenance. 2015 174k, 2020 45k. And I regularly pull an 8k pound dump trailer.
@@mitchellbroaddus9120 I own a 2018 Tundra. My six speed is a little clunky shifting from 1-2 sometimes. I believe a 10 speed would be better for fuel economy too. Hell, I’d settle for an eight speed. They had one in the Lexus. Toyota very well could’ve put that in the Tundra.
@KeystoneTexan and I would be happy with an 8, or a 10 speed. 3 or 4 years after they introduced! Never buy anything when first introduced, wait for any potential problems to be worked out!
Unfortunately the 5.7 will never return, not because of mpg's but due to emissions. If it did return it would be plagued with issues because it would most likely have cylinder deactivation and other gimmicks that would ruin the longevity of the engine.
I hear you about going to a 5W-20 or 30, but I saw where the first thing the dealer does when they get a blown motor to fix under warranty is test the oil, and if is not what the factory recommends, it will not be fixed under warranty, this is going to be a tough one.
I bought my 2007 CM in 2022 with 213,000 miles on it. I never even flinched about the mileage because the engines from the 1st and 2nd gen are bullet proof. I now have 242,000+ miles on it and it runs like a Swiss watch. I had a FULL maintenance done on it after I got it. I wouldn't get rid of my truck if someone gave me a brand new truck of any brand. Oh what a feeling is now just an empty statement, and that's a shame.
Very insightful and informative video. Your breakdown of the failure (no pun intended) makes perfect sense as a design flaw. What shocked me is your advised owners to upgrade to Premium gas. If Toyota didn't change the Octane requirements for this turbo engine, that is another design flaw IMHO. I've had a 1994 Toyota Supra Twin Turbo (inline 6, solid engine, great car and never had any problems even with higher than stock 10 psi boost) and I currently have a Supercharged 2015 Tundra and they both ran on high Octane or Premium fuel! This whole situation sucks and screams "never buy a first model year, just wait till they get all the bugs out! I'm so glad I kept my 2015 when I got the crazy urge to buy this new model!
You are the one that makes more sense regarding the engine failure. I also don’t believe the debris issue, cause that debris will move and cause other issues, not just the main bearing and oil starvation, that is simply a bad but dangerous excuse. If main bearing and design flaws are the reason, all 22,23,24 are going to be affected and that is a major problem for them and the ones that have that engine. Those years trucks will forever devaluate even if fixed or not. I hope they have balls to admit the real issue
I tend to agree with everything you said except the oil. I think they may have the clearances so tight that even the thin oil is having trouble getting where it needs to be. I would definitely stay with the 0w20 oil for now. I would also do oil analysis to see if bearing material is showing up. I suspect the recall is just dropping the pan to inspect and maybe Toyota does oil analysis. Until they get a better handle on the problem, using heavier oil might be really bad and void your warranty also.
Meh...it's always the same bearing though. Not one of the bearings. The same specific bearing every single time. All of the bearings will have the same tolerances and if that's the case, we'd likely see random bearing failure. Not the same one every time.
I think you are spot in. Direct injection tolerances are much tighter. Stay with what weight OEM recommends. Also, change your oil at 3,000 miles, 5,000 worst case. They also run dirty and prone to sludge. We are in a new era and need to protect your investment. This is just good maintenance and not related to these failures. I do think it is bad design and also cradle holding bearings is an issue from other videos. If toyota admits that these are toast. Buy saying debri that can give some false hopes to stick with it. Dump it yesterday.
Thanks for your common-sense observations. You did a better job than some of the pseudo-engineers have done. Safe travels in your Tundra and Airstream - beautiful combination..! :)
I have 19 5.7 V8 SR5 4X4 without the upgrade package so it has the smaller tank. This really bugs me so I was thinking of trading it in for a new tundra. The guy at the dealer was honest and said don’t do it lol.
I think you are spot on. A buddy of mine purchased a '22 and frankly it is a piece of junk in so many ways. He is certainly on a first name basis with the local Toyota service manager. My wife and I have been huge Toyota fans for years, having had an 89 and 92 Camry, an 89 Tercel, a 99 Rav 4, an 04 Sienna, an 11 Highlander, a 14 Highlander and a 16 Highlander. The early ones were perfect, the later ones were decent and the 16 Highlander frankly was junk too. Perhaps the best vehicle we ever owned was either the 89 Camry or the 99 Rav4. No doubt Toyota quality is a far cry from what it used to be. My daughter has a 21 RAV 4 Hybrid and just had the darn Hybrid cable replaced. Vehicle failed on her, and thankfully it was at home when it would not go, and also thankfully Toyota knows that is a problem and thus it became a full warranty expense, but she was still without her vehicle for more than 2 weeks awaiting the darn part. I still think (and thus agree with you) that the 21 and prior Tundras are perhaps the best half ton ever built, but sadly the 22 and beyond may end up being one of the worst. For now I have my 2015 F150 that has been doing a great job for almost 10 years now, but I probably will end up upgrading to a 17 to 21 Tundra here one of these days, just to get one while I still can. The 22 and beyond is not even on my radar. Might re-evaluate when they do a complete redesign, but not a chance I will end up in the current model....unless someone uses it for a hearse or something.
Agree on all points. I view these as an EV, it’s proven and documented it cost 30k to replace this motor. So once out of warranty it’s a giant gamble. It’s 4-6k if just ONE turbo needs replacing as well. Can’t fathom owning one, keeping my 2020 5.7 for many years
Do the main bearing have anti rotation tabs? All I have seen is internet pictures which are not very helpful. I have never seen an engine without them, but this could be the design flaw. A bearing moving in the journal would block the oil passage.
I've owned Nissan products since 1992. Never had a breakdown or recall, ever! 240SX, Maxima, G35 Coupe, and currently own a 370Z I beat the heck out of, and also own a 2015 Xterra Pro-4X with 110,000 miles that has been through blizzards and the Mohave Desert. Nissan Titans and Frontiers are better trucks than Tundras and Tacomas are!
Dear Sir... You are right about these CORPORATIONS...TOYOTA should have jump on Tundra's engine issues in 2022 instead they push it right to 2024 models.. QUALITY is gone to HELL they need to change there thinking before they DESTROY there reputation.. Toyota is starting a recall of 100,000 trucks there is probably more to come.. Toyota should be replacing these engine with new crate motors NOT SHORT BLOCK engines.. These engines are very complex today they are not like the 1960's or 70''s engines .. I read about the nightmares about the short block being replaced 2 or 3 times on the some Truck... These V35A-FTS 3.5 Twin Turbo engines and looking into what they changed the way they secured the Main Bearing caps by using a LADDER FRAME system made from Aluminum could this be the problem or oil starvation or machining work ?? .. Toyota today is telling us that the issues are cause by filings left in the engine manufacturer are they being TRUTHFUL about that .. I own a 2023 Tundra with 600 miles had to replace a front Diff. and transfer case it took over 3 Months to repair . My DEALER was very helpful they gave me a new Tundra to use and the Toyota Corps also compensated me as well .. My FIRST oil change at 1,200 miles NOT AT 10,000 Miles what they Recommended. The first oil change is VERY Important to get rid of Micro filing from the internal engine .. I will NEVER change oil at 10,000 miles 5,000 miles is MAX PERIOD with FULL Synthetic..There's a lot pressure on the MAIN BEARING with twin turbos.. I'm in the process with CORPS to changing the oil viscosity to 5w 30 Full Synthetic instead factory 0w 20 ..I've had engines with over 325,000 miles the only problem is the Body's don't last in the NORTH of Canada .. My engine is running fine right now with 14,000 miles ... I'm my playing Russian Roulette with this engine ?? TOUCH WOOD WE'LL SEE ...
I have a 2023 on the recall list. No issues so far and I have towed and done long distance trips. I change the oil every 5k miles and the regular maintenance. Even with all that it does make me wonder if I’ll have a sudden breakdown. I’m not sure what kind of trade in value I’ll get.
An oil passageway is drilling (machined) through the crankshaft journal during the manufacturing process. Debris could certainly clog up that passageway, but that would've been easy to discover by Toyota in disassembled engines yet they haven't said that because they know that's not the problem. My money is on a design flaw.
The flaw in your argument is the oil flow in the motors. If there was debris left in the oil passage between the oil filter and the first main bearing, that would explain the problem. That debris would get pushed into the main bearing first, and the rod bearings second. Main and rod bearings are designed to capture a small amount of debris. The debris will get embedded into the softer metal of the bearings. The amount of debris in the oil passage would dictate how long it takes to disrupt the oil film causing a catastrophic failure. In reality it would take a very small amount of machining debris to cause this issue.
@@kedrevs4037 Agreed, depending on how much debris is in the oil passage. I assume they do clean the blocks prior to assembly. I use to drag race, and after every motor refresh I would cut the oil filter open and find Aluminum debris from the machining process. This was after spending hours cleaning the block prior to assembly. If the main/rod bearings were too tight, as soon as the motor parts (block, crankshaft and rods) got up to temperature and expanded the motor would seize up.
Why are some trucks having this issue and some are not. I have a late 22 capstone with 98,000 miles and I haven’t had any issues. It is a hybrid which are not included in this recall. I don’t understand that as well because they are both the same engine.
not as much low end torque put on the hybrid engine is my opinion as to why it occurs less frequently. At lower speed the battery is supplying the torque.
The exact same problems were happening to the Lexus LS 500 as early as the 2018 model and everyone said there wouldn’t be problems but here we are. I’ll bet those 2.5 GEN tundras absolutely skyrocket value since everyone will be selling their GEN threes wanting the 2.5 Gen.
I agree with the design flaw theory. Just a note, the manufacturing process between the facility in Japan and the one in the U.S. is probable identical including the chip washing steps doesn't explain away such debris as being the problem. Also, I'm not sure about the detonation theory. The rod bearings would be affected by that not necessarily the main bearing. I've watched dozens of videos and read a bit on this, and the more I learn the more I do think this is a main bearing design problem like you suggest. There is no real fix for this. The very best they can do is a bandaid. They can't revise the design overnight and have replacement short blocks let alone full crate motors to handle 100k vehicles. As you mentioned, they would have to inspect each customer's vehicle to determine its status. Those that are unharmed would be given a warranty for some period. Those that are compromised would have engines/short blocks replaced then given a (maybe shorter) warranty. Either way a mess for Toyota. Would heavier weight oil help? Maybe. But Toyota would have to recertify with the U.S. government on exhaust emissions I would think, and this would take time not to mention fuel economy would be affected. Toyota is not going to admit to a design flaw easily. Their culture and their sheer arrogance will drag this out. Calling the a "safety recall" is just an example of this attitude. Remember the sludge in the engines problem? They initially blamed that on customers. Yeah, right. As a side comment, I saw one video showing a 3.4L failed engine disassembled clearly showing a seriously discolored rod cap right adjacent to the main bearing cap. The main bearing had apparently gotten so utterly hot that the rod cap was toasted. I can't imagine. By the way, I'm a mechanical engineer who specialized in internal engines, tested engines on dynamometers for a few years before getting my MBA and went off the count beans. This whole Toyota episode has been fascinating for me.
@@kedrevs4037 was curious. I have a 2013 with 167k. I have only used 0w-20 but was wondering if switching to 5w-30 would be advantageous. I don’t do any heavy towing or hauling.
What I'm more upset about is that I was unaware of these issues. And as Murphy's Law would have it, two weeks after I buy one, the recall comes out. It is completely unsettling that they continue to allow the sales of these trucks knowing these issues.
i was understanding that the 24's wouldnt be plagued with the same issues. toyota better make fucking good on the 75K brand new truck i just bought if its a lemon.
I have a 2 year old Tundra Platinum and I have never had a problem, I do let the turbo's warm up and cool down, before and and at the end of my trip. I also use premium fuel 100%, because of the Turbo's. I'am not going to keep my original engine, Thanks.
You just can't start a turbo engine up and take off, you have to wait until the oil circulate, about 2 to 5 minutes for me. Do your research on Turbo engines and Hybrids, Thanks.
The final tally isn't done yet. Most of this seems to be occurring at about 20-40k miles so far. But how frequent will the occurrence be at say 60k miles
@@duggydo oh yes, you did. The 5.7’s have been known to last a million miles or more with regular maintenance. That is a truly incredible feat of ANY vehicle manufacturer… what in THE HELL was Toyota thinking? Had a fantastic engine and basically just threw it away for EPA reasons.. I’m 55.. with proper maintenance, this truck will probably out-live Me!…
@@Swindy1794 The problem is the EPA. The government won't let them sell those trucks new anymore. We gotta get rid of the crazy D's ruining everything.
@@duggydo I’ll admit… the 5.7’s are horrible on the mpg mark… but as tested in “the real world” with real people driving them, the V6’s with turbos and all the fancy fuel injection is no better …none at all. So WHY?….. and now this recall.. I’m not surprised in the least.
I am not a mechanic either but my wife's RAV4 XLE hybrid is an atkinson cycle engine so I am assuming the hybrid Tundras are also Atkinson cycle engines and maybe that is why they don't have this peoblem????????
Toyota can't handle the regular Tundra. Adding the hybrids and 24's would overwhelm them. I'll continue to rebuild the trans in my 15 gmc Sierra 4x4 every 130k miles happily.
I was under the impression this engine (not the hybrid configuration) was brought over from the Lexus line. I remember everyone complaining early on about putting a car engine in a truck. Am I wrong? My point was the distinction for design vs. production flaw. The design of this engine was years ago if I am correct. I am suspicious of a problem with production just has been explained by the recall and the official report from NHTSA. The skepticism related to not trusting Toyota. I get it but I would assume it is in their best interest especially now to be transparent. Without giving the shift, the managers name, the employees name, or the day someone signed off on production process Toyota has given a reason for the engine failures. Metal debris was not properly cleaned out during production. Maybe we (me) would like to know more specifics but I don't think this is how it works this early in the recall process. I am sure it will become more apparent with some time. If I was Toyota I too would be struggling HOW are we going to fix this. I am optimistic they will come up with a plan the will satisfy most but how is the question. We will see. I hope it's a good one because people are concerned. I just have to trust time will be the best option for now.
The 2022-2023 fuel gauges still have no fix. 2 years and the engineers can’t fix a fuel tank. Engines might be impossible for them. We have to use the odometer for tracking fuel now. Gauge gets stuck on full randomly and you better remember how much gas you had in it. Running out of gas on highway at 65-75 mph can be very dangerous.
My thinking if it debris causing the same main bearing failure ,IMO that doesn’t make sense! Debris does not stay in one area. If it was debris it would move to other areas and you would see damage in other areas,maybe not to the same degree as to where the debris is mainly located but you would see damage starting elsewhere. If it was caused by Pre ignition,I would think you would see some obvious damage to the piston. I’m not an engineer,but my money on the problem is design flaw. If Toyota wants to keep their name of reliability they need to fix this problem properly,without cutting corners!
Also just because the final assembly is done in two locations doesn't mean a sub component supplied to both locations wasn't the source of contamination.
Before buying a vehicle any vehicle just like when you look at where food comes from or any other merchandise find out where it's made before buying it.
I don't know the specifics of this engine but debris causing front main bearing failure is definitely plausible. In a lot of engines this is the first location to get oil. Very possible a subassembly provided from a supplier was contaminated like an oil pump or a crankshaft. Also if a particulsr cleaning operation was missed it's likely for the debris to always release to the same location of the engine. Either way it's just speculation at this point. I wouldn't discount the claims from Toyota yet, there isn't enough information right now.
100% design flaw.. Toyota had good intentions with the new motor, but failed miserably. They should be buying back every single vehicle that has the problem
There will be no buyback programs, will put every toyota dealer out of business, remember the money splits many different ways, including financing banks and the like, various commisions, interest rates, dealer fees, destinations fees, taxes up the yingyang, manufacturers msrp, dealer add ons, that gets really muy complicado......No buybacks, trades with losses to the Guinea pigs yes Sure.
Its not s design flaw, it's a manufacturing process flaw (robot program not achieving enough clean out), and not every vehicle with this engine will have a failure, but each one could potentially. Id like to know the actual #s of trucks that have had engine failure.
I was told they used this engine in one of the bigger Lexus models. So if that were the case these problems shouldn't exist if that were the case. I wouldn't buy a new model change for like the first 3 years. I still have my 2007 crew cab, sr5, 5.7, working thru I misfire problem currently
@kedrevs4037 I love my 2007 tundra 5.7 and I have grown to like toyota for reliability and dependability, I hope they get this fixed soon. I want them to bring the 5.7 back.
50 k on my 2022 and not one issue. May be you should go run the Toyota engineering department with your above average knowledge and you’re an oil expertise. Less than 1500 failures. The oil port in question is the single milled engine port that feeds that bearing the debris was in that milled port feeding that bearing from reports that most likely why there is one bearing failure . Toyota has made turbo engine for 20 to 30 years. Do you actually think that Toyota didn’t test the this engines for years before they went into production? So you like the last generation good for you they are nice truck. This one is better in many aspect. I just think you should give Toyota a little credit that they probably know how I make an engine and will get the problem solved.
@@kedrevs4037 Toyota did explain it ,they have a manufacturing problem. You just don’t want to hear or like the answer. Over time I have no doubt they will correct the problem. How many waste gate issues do you hear about today on the new tundra? Answer is zero.. That was your complaints in your very first CZcams video trashing the turbo. Explain to rest of 280k new tundra owners why we don’t have waste gate issues now? We will see if in future you make another video on CZcams about how you were so wrong about the new generation tundra. All I can say is I’m 64 and can’t buy any vehicle I want and have owned many trucks and work the trucks hard. This rides better, tows better doesn’t shift down every time you tow or go up a grade, doesn’t have a dash board that does look like Camry. You can say anything on CZcams but it doesn’t make you right or know what you talking about. But you do have some cool aid drinking new tundra hater’s that follow you and you get your clicks. But you can drive and like what ever truck you.
It is not the cost, it is the logistics, and the blow to reputation. BTW 30k engine swap x 100k truck works out to 3billion. Toyota takes that seriously and it's far more than a drop in the bucket
The hybrids are most defiantly affected too, however because the electric part can take over on an engine failure and limp, Toyota doesn't consider it a safety issue. Lawful but Awful. Quoting their filing to NHSTA "Some of these vehicles equipped with a different engine configuration have a Hybrid powertrain system. If engine failure occurs on a Hybrid vehicle, the vehicle continues to have some motive power for limited distances and the driver receives a continuous audible warning, warning lamps, and visual warning messages. "
I think it’s bad advice telling people to use 5W30 oil, if you’re under warranty and now you have a problem why would Toyota want to help you if you’re using oil that’s not recommended. I think bottom line is just drive it!! If you have a problem it’s very unfortunate but hopefully Toyota will take care of it.
Lots of people in denial on this issue parroting whatever they read about whatever Toyota says. We can All laugh at them soon as they all start weeping.
It is debris as reported. Countermeasures have been put into place. Both engine plant’s processes are mirrored which is why both plant had problems. Stop over thinking.
The problem here is u are not a mechanic or engineer and the small details matter. .. The same debri cleaning procedure sheets were given to the us and japan factory. The debris were not properly clean out on a oil passage way that is close to the main bearing which always restrictions oil flow only to the main bearing..if you were a mechanic or engine engineer u would've though of this....Do you fully understand how oil is route to every part of the engine ???
The problem is that you don't get it. Based on your assessment, it makes no freaking sense that this problem continues on 23 and 24 models. Nor would it make sense to exclude hybrid vehicles with the same problem.
@@kedrevs4037 you are the one that's not getting it or don't have the full info. Reasons why the 2024 not on the list because toyota stop the incorrect debris cleaning procedure on a certain day in 2023. The hybrids 3.4L engines are still a problem but toyota didn't think the hybrids will be in the safety recall because if the mechanical engine fail the electric motor can keep the vehicle running....if I was u I need to get my information straight before talking like an expert... please read the NHTSA report on this recall ....
Toyota will not do the right thing in this instance. They have a severe design flaw. Instead of admitting that they come up with a lame Debris excuse. Which in itself makes them look shabby. Who leaves debris behind when they machine new engines? They will do nothing for the folks who haven’t had any issues. They will replace blown engines with the same garbage and when these trucks are out of warranty they will be regarded by most people as garbage. The fanboys will make excuses for Toyota but there’s no excuse for this.
@@kedrevs4037it might just don’t tell people who want to ride it out to make poor decisions that will void any warranty/replacement work because Toyota WILL test and inspect oil samples
I agree. I think the block is not designed to handle the operating pressure and is not sufficiently reinforced. The "metal filings" narrative is a sham. Think about it from a QC standpoint - The production process should have redundant safeguards to make sure this type of thing doesn't happen. If something failed from an automated inspection standpoint, at some point a live person must have had eyeballs on these parts. To do this kind of damage, the metal filing contamination must have been macroscopic or visible to the human eye. Now, Toyota wants to fix this problem by swapping out short blocks? Are you kidding me? Shame on you, Toyota!
It is disheartening we have become such a cynical, glass half-empty society. I question the motivation to publish a “doom and gloom” opinion without supporting facts and without knowing the planned solution. Why is it that we hold others to a higher standard than we hold ourselves?
Then you can enjoy their problems like the cam phasers. Things with all manufacturers are so complex it’s like playing Russian roulette, hopefully you get one that is good.
@@vitkobylka6432 Hard to really say, they gave me $50,000 trade in. and 15 months ago I paid $65,000, which isn't the best but under the circumstances I think it was okay.
Hold on to them 5.7’s boys!
They are going up in value every day.....
They are already becoming legengary, still the best looking and the best sounding
I was planning to keep my 17 lx570 till about 2030ish and get a GX550… hopefully they work out all the “kinks” by then lol
@@donnovicki9771 I’m keeping my 2021
I'll keep my 2008.
Lifelong Toyota owner. I avoided the Gen 3 because of twin turbos and front end is butt ugly. Looks like I saved myself a lot of grief.
Turbos, and other changed specs kept me away
That's the issue. Life long Ford truck guy here. Rangers /F150s/F250s/Transit vans. ALL served my family very well. Just good basic maintenance. Ford has mastered the GTDI design. Guys get 300k+ mis on 3.5L Twin Turbo. Plus they offer excellent 5.0L Coyote V8. '24 Ranger Raptor in driveway. Best midsized truck out there.
@@kedrevs4037 Fords done spectacular w/its gen1 & now gen2 GTDI engine design. Plus great 5.0L Coyote avail. Can't be best selling 47yrs STRAIGHT if not excellent. Facts.
I completely agree w your “design flaw” theory on the engine. The metal debris explanation is full of holes. This is a much worse problem than Toyota wants to admit. Expect litigations from FTC and DOJ. Ultimately Toyota will be forced to settle and buy back impacted vehicles.
What a nightmare that would be for all involved
@@kedrevs4037 remember the VW diesel emission scandal? The Feds made them buy back all impacted vehicles. :)
Main bearing engine cradle flexes under boost. Spun bearings result. $40k out of pocket when out of warranty. This will be historic.
@@bobcook8576 that’s about the market value of those trucks. It’s logistically impossible to perform the repair nor swap out the engine for that many trucks. If it’s cheaper to buy back, Toyota will have to do it.
@@bobcook8576 Thank you. That's a design flaw and cannot be repaired. Stupid not to use traditional main bearing caps (see 5.7 v8).
As a content creator myself, I was blasted for not buying the ALL NEW AMAZING TUNDRA! I am glad I didn't worry about getting views but buying arguably one of the greatest V8 trucks out there. Glad I went with my 20 - 1794. I hope Toyota figures this out, but its going to cost them a pretty penny!
Many tend to think everything newer is better
Toyota’s fix should be a 5.7 L V8 bumped up in horsepower and torque matted with a 10 speed automatic transmission
I will agree, but I have never had a problem with my my 5.7 Tundras. The 6 speed, and their horsepower/torque last half of forever,only routine maintenance. 2015 174k, 2020 45k. And I regularly pull an 8k pound dump trailer.
@@mitchellbroaddus9120 I own a 2018 Tundra. My six speed is a little clunky shifting from 1-2 sometimes. I believe a 10 speed would be better for fuel economy too. Hell, I’d settle for an eight speed. They had one in the Lexus. Toyota very well could’ve put that in the Tundra.
@KeystoneTexan how often do you do a drain, and fill? I do mine every 40k, no problems, on either.
@KeystoneTexan and I would be happy with an 8, or a 10 speed. 3 or 4 years after they introduced! Never buy anything when first introduced, wait for any potential problems to be worked out!
Unfortunately the 5.7 will never return, not because of mpg's but due to emissions. If it did return it would be plagued with issues because it would most likely have cylinder deactivation and other gimmicks that would ruin the longevity of the engine.
I hear you about going to a 5W-20 or 30, but I saw where the first thing the dealer does when they get a blown motor to fix under warranty is test the oil, and if is not what the factory recommends, it will not be fixed under warranty, this is going to be a tough one.
Well, my first rec is dump it as quickly as possible
I’m keeping my 2019 Tundra 1794 till the wheels fall off!! 😂 oil change every 4-5K…
That's my plan too
@@kedrevs4037 2015 Offroad 4x4 going strong 105000 miles.
I bought my 2007 CM in 2022 with 213,000 miles on it. I never even flinched about the mileage because the engines from the 1st and 2nd gen are bullet proof. I now have 242,000+ miles on it and it runs like a Swiss watch. I had a FULL maintenance done on it after I got it. I wouldn't get rid of my truck if someone gave me a brand new truck of any brand. Oh what a feeling is now just an empty statement, and that's a shame.
I hope this matters to Toyota, and I think it does
Your logic is hard to dispute!👍👍
Thought about buying one, but I had heard there were a few issues. So I leased one instead just to see if I liked it. So glad I did now.
Leasing would be the only way to go on this thing
Very insightful and informative video. Your breakdown of the failure (no pun intended) makes perfect sense as a design flaw. What shocked me is your advised owners to upgrade to Premium gas. If Toyota didn't change the Octane requirements for this turbo engine, that is another design flaw IMHO. I've had a 1994 Toyota Supra Twin Turbo (inline 6, solid engine, great car and never had any problems even with higher than stock 10 psi boost) and I currently have a Supercharged 2015 Tundra and they both ran on high Octane or Premium fuel! This whole situation sucks and screams "never buy a first model year, just wait till they get all the bugs out! I'm so glad I kept my 2015 when I got the crazy urge to buy this new model!
In the LS500 it does actually require premium. Retuned for Trucks/SUVs and got the allowance for regular fuel
You are the one that makes more sense regarding the engine failure. I also don’t believe the debris issue, cause that debris will move and cause other issues, not just the main bearing and oil starvation, that is simply a bad but dangerous excuse.
If main bearing and design flaws are the reason, all 22,23,24 are going to be affected and that is a major problem for them and the ones that have that engine.
Those years trucks will forever devaluate even if fixed or not. I hope they have balls to admit the real issue
Just seems like debris would cause failure at multiple points in the system
So should i keep my 5.7 v8 2021 Trd Pro then??
Yes,
No you should sell it to me and get the new best in class best looking , most affordable and most reliable "new" Tundra.
That is low, don't take advantage of people like that
If you dont want it, i will buy it off you, just need to install aftermarket trans cooler and its guaranteed 1000000 miles
For the rest of time you have one of the last good vehicles left
I tend to agree with everything you said except the oil. I think they may have the clearances so tight that even the thin oil is having trouble getting where it needs to be. I would definitely stay with the 0w20 oil for now. I would also do oil analysis to see if bearing material is showing up. I suspect the recall is just dropping the pan to inspect and maybe Toyota does oil analysis. Until they get a better handle on the problem, using heavier oil might be really bad and void your warranty also.
You have a good point about clearances
0w20 is already thin.. idk that going with an even lighter oil will fix the issue.. if anything, it might need a heavier viscosity.
Meh...it's always the same bearing though. Not one of the bearings. The same specific bearing every single time. All of the bearings will have the same tolerances and if that's the case, we'd likely see random bearing failure. Not the same one every time.
@@RYTHMICRIOT I've seen photos where all the mains were damaged.
I think you are spot in. Direct injection tolerances are much tighter. Stay with what weight OEM recommends. Also, change your oil at 3,000 miles, 5,000 worst case. They also run dirty and prone to sludge. We are in a new era and need to protect your investment. This is just good maintenance and not related to these failures. I do think it is bad design and also cradle holding bearings is an issue from other videos. If toyota admits that these are toast. Buy saying debri that can give some false hopes to stick with it. Dump it yesterday.
Thanks for your common-sense observations. You did a better job than some of the pseudo-engineers have done. Safe travels in your Tundra and Airstream - beautiful combination..! :)
Appreciate the kind words
I have 19 5.7 V8 SR5 4X4 without the upgrade package so it has the smaller tank. This really bugs me so I was thinking of trading it in for a new tundra. The guy at the dealer was honest and said don’t do it lol.
I think you are spot on. A buddy of mine purchased a '22 and frankly it is a piece of junk in so many ways. He is certainly on a first name basis with the local Toyota service manager. My wife and I have been huge Toyota fans for years, having had an 89 and 92 Camry, an 89 Tercel, a 99 Rav 4, an 04 Sienna, an 11 Highlander, a 14 Highlander and a 16 Highlander. The early ones were perfect, the later ones were decent and the 16 Highlander frankly was junk too. Perhaps the best vehicle we ever owned was either the 89 Camry or the 99 Rav4. No doubt Toyota quality is a far cry from what it used to be. My daughter has a 21 RAV 4 Hybrid and just had the darn Hybrid cable replaced. Vehicle failed on her, and thankfully it was at home when it would not go, and also thankfully Toyota knows that is a problem and thus it became a full warranty expense, but she was still without her vehicle for more than 2 weeks awaiting the darn part. I still think (and thus agree with you) that the 21 and prior Tundras are perhaps the best half ton ever built, but sadly the 22 and beyond may end up being one of the worst. For now I have my 2015 F150 that has been doing a great job for almost 10 years now, but I probably will end up upgrading to a 17 to 21 Tundra here one of these days, just to get one while I still can. The 22 and beyond is not even on my radar. Might re-evaluate when they do a complete redesign, but not a chance I will end up in the current model....unless someone uses it for a hearse or something.
Great post
Agree on all points. I view these as an EV, it’s proven and documented it cost 30k to replace this motor. So once out of warranty it’s a giant gamble. It’s 4-6k if just ONE turbo needs replacing as well. Can’t fathom owning one, keeping my 2020 5.7 for many years
you and I both
I’m the proud owner of a very early 24☹️ not part of the recall. Yet. I hope they give us a really good warranty
I hope so too
Do the main bearing have anti rotation tabs? All I have seen is internet pictures which are not very helpful. I have never seen an engine without them, but this could be the design flaw. A bearing moving in the journal would block the oil passage.
I believe the main bearing cradle flexes. Not having the tabs would be icing on the cake.
I’ll definitely be keeping my 2018 crewmax 5.7
I've owned Nissan products since 1992.
Never had a breakdown or recall, ever!
240SX, Maxima, G35 Coupe, and currently own a 370Z I beat the heck out of, and also own a 2015 Xterra Pro-4X with 110,000 miles that has been through blizzards and the Mohave Desert.
Nissan Titans and Frontiers are better trucks than Tundras and Tacomas are!
I'd have a Titan XD in my driveway if it came with a 35 gallon fuel tank...but vs the 5.7L Tundra
@@kedrevs4037 you and me both! I’m still thinking of buying one anyway though.
What is MMC? Max Material Condition. Combination of tolerances. What must happen to clearance when using thin oil?
Hmmm? just a little less
Dear Sir... You are right about these CORPORATIONS...TOYOTA should have jump on Tundra's engine issues in 2022 instead they push it right to 2024 models.. QUALITY is gone to HELL they need to change there thinking before they DESTROY there reputation.. Toyota is starting a recall of 100,000 trucks there is probably more to come.. Toyota should be replacing these engine with new crate motors NOT SHORT BLOCK engines.. These engines are very complex today they are not like the 1960's or 70''s engines .. I read about the nightmares about the short block being replaced 2 or 3 times on the some Truck... These V35A-FTS 3.5 Twin Turbo engines and looking into what they changed the way they secured the Main Bearing caps by using a LADDER FRAME system made from Aluminum could this be the problem or oil starvation or machining work ?? .. Toyota today is telling us that the issues are cause by filings left in the engine manufacturer are they being TRUTHFUL about that .. I own a 2023 Tundra with 600 miles had to replace a front Diff. and transfer case it took over 3 Months to repair . My DEALER was very helpful they gave me a new Tundra to use and the Toyota Corps also compensated me as well .. My FIRST oil change at 1,200 miles NOT AT 10,000 Miles what they Recommended. The first oil change is VERY Important to get rid of Micro filing from the internal engine .. I will NEVER change oil at 10,000 miles 5,000 miles is MAX PERIOD with FULL Synthetic..There's a lot pressure on the MAIN BEARING with twin turbos.. I'm in the process with CORPS to changing the oil viscosity to 5w 30 Full Synthetic instead factory 0w 20 ..I've had engines with over 325,000 miles the only problem is the Body's don't last in the NORTH of Canada .. My engine is running fine right now with 14,000 miles ... I'm my playing Russian Roulette with this engine ?? TOUCH WOOD WE'LL SEE ...
Thank you for sharing. I hope your truck gets back in good working order
What you said is spot on
Seems to be getting closer and closer to that
@@kedrevs4037I’m trying to get out Toyota tundra let toyota buy it back for a 4runner
I have a 2023 on the recall list. No issues so far and I have towed and done long distance trips. I change the oil every 5k miles and the regular maintenance. Even with all that it does make me wonder if I’ll have a sudden breakdown. I’m not sure what kind of trade in value I’ll get.
It's a tough call if your not on recall list. I would dump now just because not on list and move on. Bu everyone has to do what is best with them
Tic ... tic ... tic ... Hear that? That's a time bomb.
@@rand49er Maybe, but the failure rate is only 1% right now. I’m going to wait and see the remedy that is offered and go from there.
A casting flaw can leave excess material inside of internal passages. Permanently until mechanically removed.
Certainly possible, but not reassuring
An oil passageway is drilling (machined) through the crankshaft journal during the manufacturing process. Debris could certainly clog up that passageway, but that would've been easy to discover by Toyota in disassembled engines yet they haven't said that because they know that's not the problem. My money is on a design flaw.
The flaw in your argument is the oil flow in the motors.
If there was debris left in the oil passage between the oil filter and the first main bearing, that would explain the problem. That debris would get pushed into the main bearing first, and the rod bearings second. Main and rod bearings are designed to capture a small amount of debris. The debris will get embedded into the softer metal of the bearings. The amount of debris in the oil passage would dictate how long it takes to disrupt the oil film causing a catastrophic failure. In reality it would take a very small amount of machining debris to cause this issue.
it would also take a very small amount of time
@@kedrevs4037 Agreed, depending on how much debris is in the oil passage. I assume they do clean the blocks prior to assembly.
I use to drag race, and after every motor refresh I would cut the oil filter open and find Aluminum debris from the machining process. This was after spending hours cleaning the block prior to assembly.
If the main/rod bearings were too tight, as soon as the motor parts (block, crankshaft and rods) got up to temperature and expanded the motor would seize up.
Why are some trucks having this issue and some are not. I have a late 22 capstone with 98,000 miles and I haven’t had any issues. It is a hybrid which are not included in this recall. I don’t understand that as well because they are both the same engine.
not as much low end torque put on the hybrid engine is my opinion as to why it occurs less frequently. At lower speed the battery is supplying the torque.
what type of gas octane did you use 87 or 91?
I haven’t seen any Gen3 Tundras broken down but I have seen less of them on the highway. Maybe most are at the dealerships.
Ouch! Or, maybe their owners are afraid to drive them on th highway to far from home
The exact same problems were happening to the Lexus LS 500 as early as the 2018 model and everyone said there wouldn’t be problems but here we are.
I’ll bet those 2.5 GEN tundras absolutely skyrocket value since everyone will be selling their GEN threes wanting the 2.5 Gen.
Seeing it already. Same 2020 that I bought at Carmax is $2k more today.
I agree with the design flaw theory. Just a note, the manufacturing process between the facility in Japan and the one in the U.S. is probable identical including the chip washing steps doesn't explain away such debris as being the problem. Also, I'm not sure about the detonation theory. The rod bearings would be affected by that not necessarily the main bearing. I've watched dozens of videos and read a bit on this, and the more I learn the more I do think this is a main bearing design problem like you suggest.
There is no real fix for this. The very best they can do is a bandaid. They can't revise the design overnight and have replacement short blocks let alone full crate motors to handle 100k vehicles. As you mentioned, they would have to inspect each customer's vehicle to determine its status. Those that are unharmed would be given a warranty for some period. Those that are compromised would have engines/short blocks replaced then given a (maybe shorter) warranty. Either way a mess for Toyota.
Would heavier weight oil help? Maybe. But Toyota would have to recertify with the U.S. government on exhaust emissions I would think, and this would take time not to mention fuel economy would be affected.
Toyota is not going to admit to a design flaw easily. Their culture and their sheer arrogance will drag this out. Calling the a "safety recall" is just an example of this attitude. Remember the sludge in the engines problem? They initially blamed that on customers. Yeah, right.
As a side comment, I saw one video showing a 3.4L failed engine disassembled clearly showing a seriously discolored rod cap right adjacent to the main bearing cap. The main bearing had apparently gotten so utterly hot that the rod cap was toasted. I can't imagine. By the way, I'm a mechanical engineer who specialized in internal engines, tested engines on dynamometers for a few years before getting my MBA and went off the count beans. This whole Toyota episode has been fascinating for me.
Great post, I woulld add the fact that the LS500 was seeing the same main bearing all the way back into 2018, really lends to design flaw as well.
do you use 0w-20 in your 2nd gen tundras?
I do when I am not on long towing trips
@@kedrevs4037 was curious. I have a 2013 with 167k. I have only used 0w-20 but was wondering if switching to 5w-30 would be advantageous. I don’t do any heavy towing or hauling.
What I'm more upset about is that I was unaware of these issues. And as Murphy's Law would have it, two weeks after I buy one, the recall comes out. It is completely unsettling that they continue to allow the sales of these trucks knowing these issues.
That is frustrating. i hope it serves you well as long as you have it.
Well bud we are in the same boat just bought mine mid may, this absolutely suck they would continue selling these trucks for the crazy high price
i was understanding that the 24's wouldnt be plagued with the same issues.
toyota better make fucking good on the 75K brand new truck i just bought if its a lemon.
Feeling good about my 2023 GX 460 purchased last year 🎉
4.6L for the win
I have a 2 year old Tundra Platinum and I have never had a problem, I do let the turbo's warm up and cool down, before and and at the end of my trip. I also use premium fuel 100%, because of the Turbo's. I'am not going to keep my original engine, Thanks.
Premium fuel is probably more beneficial than letting turbos cool.
How do u mean by warm up and cool down?
You just can't start a turbo engine up and take off, you have to wait until the oil circulate, about 2 to 5 minutes for me. Do your research on Turbo engines and Hybrids, Thanks.
Changed my oil 900 miles and again at 2600 hope i cleared it out
Hope your right, but has not seemed to work for others,
@@kedrevs4037 I do have toyota extened warrenty so we will see
If it's a design flaw, clearing out "machining debris" with the oil won't help. Good luck!
Wouldn’t a design flaw affect many more vehicles?
The final tally isn't done yet. Most of this seems to be occurring at about 20-40k miles so far. But how frequent will the occurrence be at say 60k miles
The replacement engines fail. Insanity.
I got a 2021 V8 Tundra 1794 with 50,000 miles I’ll sell for 80,000 😂😂😂
You might very well get that too! …. I’m keeping my 2019 1794 till the wheels fall off!!
3 yrs ago, I bought my 2018 for $38k. It only had 2600 miles on it then. I lucked out finding that deal.
@@duggydo oh yes, you did. The 5.7’s have been known to last a million miles or more with regular maintenance. That is a truly incredible feat of ANY vehicle manufacturer… what in THE HELL was Toyota thinking? Had a fantastic engine and basically just threw it away for EPA reasons.. I’m 55.. with proper maintenance, this truck will probably out-live Me!…
@@Swindy1794 The problem is the EPA. The government won't let them sell those trucks new anymore. We gotta get rid of the crazy D's ruining everything.
@@duggydo I’ll admit… the 5.7’s are horrible on the mpg mark… but as tested in “the real world” with real people driving them, the V6’s with turbos and all the fancy fuel injection is no better …none at all. So WHY?….. and now this recall.. I’m not surprised in the least.
I agree with you, design flaw!
I am not a mechanic either but my wife's RAV4 XLE hybrid is an atkinson cycle engine so I am assuming the hybrid Tundras are also Atkinson cycle engines and maybe that is why they don't have this peoblem????????
They do have the problem, just not at the same rate...so far.
@@kedrevs4037 Thanks. Did not know that.
Toyota can't handle the regular Tundra. Adding the hybrids and 24's would overwhelm them. I'll continue to rebuild the trans in my 15 gmc Sierra 4x4 every 130k miles happily.
@@bobcook8576 Same with my '05 Titan. The 5.6L V8 is bullet proof!
This engine has been around for 6-7 years. How do you explain no recalls in the previous years if it’s a “design “ flaw?
7 years? Which vehicle had these exact engines that long ago?
@@cjwest9094 2017 Lexus LS500
They can’t explain it because it wasn’t used in their trucks
I was under the impression this engine (not the hybrid configuration) was brought over from the Lexus line. I remember everyone complaining early on about putting a car engine in a truck. Am I wrong? My point was the distinction for design vs. production flaw. The design of this engine was years ago if I am correct. I am suspicious of a problem with production just has been explained by the recall and the official report from NHTSA. The skepticism related to not trusting Toyota. I get it but I would assume it is in their best interest especially now to be transparent. Without giving the shift, the managers name, the employees name, or the day someone signed off on production process Toyota has given a reason for the engine failures. Metal debris was not properly cleaned out during production. Maybe we (me) would like to know more specifics but I don't think this is how it works this early in the recall process. I am sure it will become more apparent with some time. If I was Toyota I too would be struggling HOW are we going to fix this. I am optimistic they will come up with a plan the will satisfy most but how is the question. We will see. I hope it's a good one because people are concerned. I just have to trust time will be the best option for now.
I think you are very mistaken.
The 2022-2023 fuel gauges still have no fix. 2 years and the engineers can’t fix a fuel tank. Engines might be impossible for them. We have to use the odometer for tracking fuel now. Gauge gets stuck on full randomly and you better remember how much gas you had in it. Running out of gas on highway at 65-75 mph can be very dangerous.
this is a very good point
I wouldn't trust the new 4 cyl hybrid/turbo engine from the Tacoma 2024 either. Stick to naturally aspirated v6 and v8.
Forced induction has a way to go before use in these applications is truly "reliable"
I knew this would happen back in 19. I got my 20 Tundra because i want nothing with turbos
Amen to that
My thinking if it debris causing the same main bearing failure ,IMO that doesn’t make sense! Debris does not stay in one area. If it was debris it would move to other areas and you would see damage in other areas,maybe not to the same degree as to where the debris is mainly located but you would see damage starting elsewhere. If it was caused by Pre ignition,I would think you would see some obvious damage to the piston. I’m not an engineer,but my money on the problem is design flaw. If Toyota wants to keep their name of reliability they need to fix this problem properly,without cutting corners!
sounds like we agree
Buy a 5.7. That’s how you avoid the problems.
Truth
I understand why a different weight oil could help, but if an owner uses it and Toyota discovered it, they may not cover the repair.
Also just because the final assembly is done in two locations doesn't mean a sub component supplied to both locations wasn't the source of contamination.
Maybe, but someone should have caught it before almost 3 yars in the Tundra and SIX years in the LS500 doing the same damn thing
Before buying a vehicle any vehicle just like when you look at where food comes from or any other merchandise find out where it's made before buying it.
We know where these are made, the engines are made in Huntsville, Alabama. Same place that made the 5.7L, one of the most reliable big V8s ever
@@kedrevs4037 i heard mexico🤷♂️
200k Bumper to Bumper warranty, and I'm good! Do it, Toyota!
Bmw had a huge V8 engine problem in the mid 90's. I believe they replaced a ton of engines. I believe it was a factory head plaining issue.
BMW has totally different rep than Toyota
@@kedrevs4037Seems like Toyota has joined the party.
I don't know the specifics of this engine but debris causing front main bearing failure is definitely plausible. In a lot of engines this is the first location to get oil. Very possible a subassembly provided from a supplier was contaminated like an oil pump or a crankshaft. Also if a particulsr cleaning operation was missed it's likely for the debris to always release to the same location of the engine. Either way it's just speculation at this point. I wouldn't discount the claims from Toyota yet, there isn't enough information right now.
Main bearing cradle flexes under load. Spun bearings are the result. Maybe even a rod or two. Catastrophic failure.
So let it be written. Thank you.
I haven't discounted the info from Toyota, I find it to be something near the truth, just not the "whole, honest truth"
100% design flaw.. Toyota had good intentions with the new motor, but failed miserably. They should be buying back every single vehicle that has the problem
I call it WM squared. Well-meaning, but woolly-minded
There will be no buyback programs, will put every toyota dealer out of business, remember the money splits many different ways, including financing banks and the like, various commisions, interest rates, dealer fees, destinations fees, taxes up the yingyang, manufacturers msrp, dealer add ons, that gets really muy complicado......No buybacks, trades with losses to the Guinea pigs yes Sure.
Its not s design flaw, it's a manufacturing process flaw (robot program not achieving enough clean out), and not every vehicle with this engine will have a failure, but each one could potentially. Id like to know the actual #s of trucks that have had engine failure.
it appears to be 1000 as of the recall anouncement
@@kedrevs4037 thanks for responding!
The V35A is built solely in Huntsville Alabama. Yes, it is shipped to Tahara for assembly in the LX600.
Enjoy your truck
Buddies 2013 tundra with 5.7 just blew up. Does that count?
Interesting, has happened. But your comparing a unicorn to having red hair.
I was told they used this engine in one of the bigger Lexus models. So if that were the case these problems shouldn't exist if that were the case. I wouldn't buy a new model change for like the first 3 years. I still have my 2007 crew cab, sr5, 5.7, working thru I misfire problem currently
Those LS500 engines failed too, all the way back to 2018.
@kedrevs4037 I love my 2007 tundra 5.7 and I have grown to like toyota for reliability and dependability, I hope they get this fixed soon. I want them to bring the 5.7 back.
Sounds like they didn’t clean the galleys. If it’s in the mains it’s in the rods
It is main bearing because they make that metal softer by design so it will fail first by design...
Seems like there is more to this explanation
It is definitely a design flaw; just like the Hyundai Theta II engine. Absolute junk.
That's my bet
50 k on my 2022 and not one issue. May be you should go run the Toyota engineering department with your above average knowledge and you’re an oil expertise. Less than 1500 failures. The oil port in question is the single milled engine port that feeds that bearing the debris was in that milled port feeding that bearing from reports that most likely why there is one bearing failure . Toyota has made turbo engine for 20 to 30 years. Do you actually think that Toyota didn’t test the this engines for years before they went into production? So you like the last generation good for you they are nice truck. This one is better in many aspect. I just think you should give Toyota a little credit that they probably know how I make an engine and will get the problem solved.
Put down the coffee, those aren't goo numbers. Why don't you go explain how good they are to one of those 1500 failures...so far.
@@kedrevs4037 Toyota did explain it ,they have a manufacturing problem. You just don’t want to hear or like the answer. Over time I have no doubt they will correct the problem. How many waste gate issues do you hear about today on the new tundra? Answer is zero.. That was your complaints in your very first CZcams video trashing the turbo. Explain to rest of 280k new tundra owners why we don’t have waste gate issues now? We will see if in future you make another video on CZcams about how you were so wrong about the new generation tundra. All I can say is I’m 64 and can’t buy any vehicle I want and have owned many trucks and work the trucks hard. This rides better, tows better doesn’t shift down every time you tow or go up a grade, doesn’t have a dash board that does look like Camry. You can say anything on CZcams but it doesn’t make you right or know what you talking about. But you do have some cool aid drinking new tundra hater’s that follow you and you get your clicks. But you can drive and like what ever truck you.
The hybrid is blowing engines too
Yes it is
Shhh! This will drive the prices of the gen 2 even higher.
Already has
replacing those engines is a drop in the bucket for toyota, thats like a weeks worth of operating overhead costs
It is not the cost, it is the logistics, and the blow to reputation. BTW 30k engine swap x 100k truck works out to 3billion. Toyota takes that seriously and it's far more than a drop in the bucket
But if the engine keeps blowing out, wouldnt Toyota have to keep replacing my engine for the life of me owning the car?
😆 Don’t think that’s going to be the way it works
BINGO!
The hybrids are most defiantly affected too, however because the electric part can take over on an engine failure and limp, Toyota doesn't consider it a safety issue. Lawful but Awful. Quoting their filing to NHSTA "Some of these vehicles equipped with a different engine configuration have a Hybrid powertrain system. If engine failure occurs on a Hybrid vehicle, the vehicle continues to have some motive power for limited distances and the driver receives a continuous audible warning, warning lamps, and visual warning messages. "
Haha, limping on your hybrid battery makes you feel better doesn't it.
I like ur videos brotha but u need a tripod !!!!
I hear you, would've but was getting ready to fly home from the west coast when I filmed it.
If I had one I would swap in the 5.7
I’d really like to see that with the current rear end and 10 speed and the twin turbos. That would be cool.
Wish it wear possible, but it won't fit.
What about getting a lawyer for the lemon law
Haha, attorneys are never my recommendation. They're generally the only ones that win.
Hyundai has lots of experience replacing engines, I'm sure Toyota can do it, too.
Might need to call Hyundai to see how it is done
I bought a V8 GX460 for this very reason knowing that the new generation was going to kill the reliable 8 banger
smart move
I think it’s bad advice telling people to use 5W30 oil, if you’re under warranty and now you have a problem why would Toyota want to help you if you’re using oil that’s not recommended. I think bottom line is just drive it!! If you have a problem it’s very unfortunate but hopefully Toyota will take care of it.
Or, you can take matters into your own hands and responsibility for your own fate
@@kedrevs4037 I wouldn’t have it any other way.
If people just refrain from driving their Tundras, the failures will stop.😂
I think a number of people have turned them into driveway paperweights
Lots of people in denial on this issue parroting whatever they read about whatever Toyota says. We can All laugh at them soon as they all start weeping.
I just dismiss them as the same group that though Covid started in a wet market
The Sequoia only comes in a hybrid, so no it doesn’t have the same engine.
Same Hybrid engine.
It is debris as reported. Countermeasures have been put into place. Both engine plant’s processes are mirrored which is why both plant had problems. Stop over thinking.
You probably thought Covid started in a wet market too.
Grab a low mileage 2021 before it’s too late.
Replace our v6 with the V8!!
100,000 out of how many.
That all of them from late '21 to early '23...all of them
Just have them fix it when it blows up get a new engine and keep driving…… wtf
For those that use trucks , towing, traveling, over-landing, vacations, etc that in't just an oh well.
The replacement engine blows up, too. $30k to $40k out of warranty means no Bueno.
source: trust me bro
Weird
Glad I have a brand new 2024 hybrid so it’s both not a v8 and it’s not covered under this recall. Lmao can’t make this shit up .
Hope you got "one of the good ones"
The problem here is u are not a mechanic or engineer and the small details matter. .. The same debri cleaning procedure sheets were given to the us and japan factory.
The debris were not properly clean out on a oil passage way that is close to the main bearing which always restrictions oil flow only to the main bearing..if you were a mechanic or engine engineer u would've though of this....Do you fully understand how oil is route to every part of the engine ???
The problem is that you don't get it. Based on your assessment, it makes no freaking sense that this problem continues on 23 and 24 models. Nor would it make sense to exclude hybrid vehicles with the same problem.
@@kedrevs4037 you are the one that's not getting it or don't have the full info.
Reasons why the 2024 not on the list because toyota stop the incorrect debris cleaning procedure on a certain day in 2023. The hybrids 3.4L engines are still a problem but toyota didn't think the hybrids will be in the safety recall because if the mechanical engine fail the electric motor can keep the vehicle running....if I was u I need to get my information straight before talking like an expert... please read the NHTSA report on this recall ....
czcams.com/video/2dnsDJ3YPuo/video.htmlsi=etpSnQhpMvaOA6SD
Read the NHTSA report
Time to bring back the 5.7 and stop trying to copy Ford with the turbo six.
Put the 5.7 v8 back in problem solved
Wish it would fit
Toyota will not do the right thing in this instance. They have a severe design flaw. Instead of admitting that they come up with a lame Debris excuse. Which in itself makes them look shabby. Who leaves debris behind when they machine new engines? They will do nothing for the folks who haven’t had any issues. They will replace blown engines with the same garbage and when these trucks are out of warranty they will be regarded by most people as garbage. The fanboys will make excuses for Toyota but there’s no excuse for this.
I fear much of that is accurate
Toyo 💩💩💩 did it again
Don’t listen to this guy, if you don’t run the correct oil you will void any extended warranty.
Easy big fella. Listen to me and dump this turd. Only getting worse
@@kedrevs4037it might just don’t tell people who want to ride it out to make poor decisions that will void any warranty/replacement work because Toyota WILL test and inspect oil samples
Should of never had engines manufactured in Mexico!!
????? They're not, Alabama and Japan
I agree. I think the block is not designed to handle the operating pressure and is not sufficiently reinforced. The "metal filings" narrative is a sham. Think about it from a QC standpoint - The production process should have redundant safeguards to make sure this type of thing doesn't happen. If something failed from an automated inspection standpoint, at some point a live person must have had eyeballs on these parts. To do this kind of damage, the metal filing contamination must have been macroscopic or visible to the human eye. Now, Toyota wants to fix this problem by swapping out short blocks? Are you kidding me? Shame on you, Toyota!
While they are busy replacing engines how about fixing the ugly looks and lower the price by 20K and all the other cheap shitty components.
I like the looks of it, appearance is very subjective.
Not my favorite looking truck
@@vitkobylka6432 Its ugly AF
I guess they didn't learn from Acura's history.
czcams.com/video/m64TQXLFvLQ/video.html
It is disheartening we have become such a cynical, glass half-empty society. I question the motivation to publish a “doom and gloom” opinion without supporting facts and without knowing the planned solution. Why is it that we hold others to a higher standard than we hold ourselves?
They turned the best full size truck, into sheer junk.
We really do wish Toyota understood why so many loved the 2nd gen trucks
Buy Ford...problem solve
Then you can enjoy their problems like the cam phasers. Things with all manufacturers are so complex it’s like playing Russian roulette, hopefully you get one that is good.
I worry every time I drive it, I'm trading mine for a Denali with a 6.2 .
Unfortunately enjoy paying for premium fuel, that’s why I didn’t buy that truck.
I would go baby Duramax with Max Tow Package myself, but i get the 6.2
Back home with a Summit White Denali and loving it, what a lift off my shoulders.
@@EllisRitter-ui6qu good for you, I hope it treats you well. It’s a beautiful truck. Did you take a big bath on the Tundra?
@@vitkobylka6432 Hard to really say, they gave me $50,000 trade in. and 15 months ago I paid $65,000, which isn't the best but under the circumstances I think it was okay.