Mobile Flak | Supreme Commander Science

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Komentáře • 30

  • @genericyoutubeaccount579

    The best solution to hover flak is strat bombers. Often times players will foolishly clump their hover flak up in one place. A single strat bomb can wipe our the hover flak. Janus can work but not as well.

    • @BCase56
      @BCase56 Před rokem

      For Aeon you tend to see a few shield gens in the flack mix to help against those surface attacks.

  • @BCase56
    @BCase56 Před rokem +4

    Boxer is my favorite aa due to the 3 speed. For UEF t2 push with com being able to rush a flack from the HQ to the com or army makes the push 10x more of a pain to deal with.

  • @greatoverlordchikonmaster7226

    Think it would be an interesting video to see how viable floating units are in general mixed in with navy? Like zthuuees, t2 amphibious tanks, asylums can float iirc

    • @TheRalviisch
      @TheRalviisch Před rokem +1

      I recall zoe spam being a legit naval strat for a while, I think they even got nerfed in FAF because of it.

  • @Weigazod
    @Weigazod Před rokem

    I know you want to make this video more about a few pointers for navy players, but there are a few more things that you can talk about mobile flak.
    _ UED shoots 2 shots per attack. dps wise, it isn't different from Aeon or Seraphim, but due to the randomess value, the shots will be spread out. For a mobile flak with twice the amount of attack this make UED flak cover a much wide area with the cost of dealing less damage. However, a wider area means they can perform far better against fast moving air units than other mobile flak.
    _ The speed of the flak is also an essential feature. The speed of UED flak clearly indicates it has an edge against other flak while moving to cover for the ground force. It isn't much but this little edge is about as much as Cybran has slightly better dps.

  • @Chessandmotorcycles2426

    Hover flaks and hover shields are very slow. About two times slover than navy. Can be good when you have already won navy, but bad when you need to fight against real navy player, who does some micro.

  • @sanoman6870
    @sanoman6870 Před rokem +1

  • @TheCholerix
    @TheCholerix Před rokem +1

    I suppose you haven't looked at performance on the move? It has been a while since I playe Supreme Commander, but if I recall correctly, the aeon flak does not have a turret, the entire unit rotates. Which means if there is air in the rear, it will hover backwards and slow down. If there is a lot of air around it may trail behind the units it is supposed to protect.
    Probably not that big of a deal in most fights, but a slight disadvantage of the aeon flak.

  • @pfeilspitze
    @pfeilspitze Před rokem

    Huh, I wonder why Cybran gets more DPS? Is it because it shoots fewer shots?
    Might be interesting to try shielded AA vs big groups on gunships, to see how the splash works out.

  • @Flanktank2
    @Flanktank2 Před rokem +2

    The aeon and seraphim navy need hover flak because the rest of their naval units are pretty weak in comparison. Cybran have the best t2 destroyer, cruiser and annoying naval stealth fields, on top of harms creep. The UEF have neptunes, summits, atlantis & shield boats in the late game. Seraphim destroyers are the worst, and their t3 subs lose to both cybran harms/destroyers and UEF atlantis. The aeon t2 destroyer is comparable to the cybrans, but they lack harms, a good battleship, and the tempest is too expensive to win mass for mass with any naval units other than t1 subs.

  • @bejamillion2
    @bejamillion2 Před rokem

    I'm extremely surprised how much stronger the hover flak was against air units than the frigates and cruisers. I wonder why that is. And here I thought cruisers and frigates were good AA units for your navy. Knowing this, the fact that Cybran and UEF can't protect their navy with hover flak seems like a big weakness. I'm assuming those factions need to protect their navies with ASFs instead?

    • @pfeilspitze
      @pfeilspitze Před rokem

      Well frigates are T1, so they're probably good compared to T1 mobile AA, but not compared to T2. Though I also thought that at least some of the cruisers were pretty good AA...

    • @pukupuku6431
      @pukupuku6431 Před rokem +3

      In a word: AoE Damage
      The reason the Hover Flak does well is because flak counters tight groups of low HP units, and T2 torpedo bombers are usually sent in tight waves as low HP units. This dramatically increases flak effective DPS, cruisers only deal single target damage and are meant to deal with T3 air.
      Against high HP targets the cruisers will do much better, such as Strat bombers.
      Compare a Percival against say, a Trebuchet firing into a mass of mech marines. The Percival has much, much, much more DPS than the Treb, but the treb will kill the LABs much faster

  • @SlyChickenz
    @SlyChickenz Před rokem

    Can you do a video about which faction is the best morally.

    • @TheDuelist
      @TheDuelist  Před rokem +1

      That would be a funny one actually. I'd have to replay the campaigns though.

  • @benjaminrobledo5466
    @benjaminrobledo5466 Před rokem +1

    Hover Flak is just stupid, you can't torp it, and you really should be able to.
    But Aeon is just worse, as they have the hover shield too preventing you from bombing the flak. Just annoying.
    Shield boats exist, yes, but you can torp them at least.
    Oh, and Cybran T2 Flak can can shoot at ground units, no?

    • @TheDuelist
      @TheDuelist  Před rokem

      Pretty sure only Cybran Tech 1 and 3 MAA can shoot at ground units.

  • @zima2352
    @zima2352 Před rokem

    Well seraphim t3 is flack

  • @Hidacal
    @Hidacal Před rokem +2

    Artificial tests like this are entirely useless. In a real scenario, navies would be fighting in addition to whatever air is doing. And the hover AA is not only way slower than ships, but way squishier. Enemy frigates and destroyer will just pick them off at range, mostly one-shoting them, and you'll be constantly looking why you still dont have that AA you were building all game..

  • @steveconner794
    @steveconner794 Před rokem +1

    everyone hates aeon

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      @richarddesrosiers6611 Před rokem +1

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    • @richarddesrosiers6611
      @richarddesrosiers6611 Před rokem

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      - Major asteroid impact. Causes: 12.0 earthquake, a mega flaming shockwave for many hundreds of miles, world wide mega tsunamis, will split America in two, and will even stop time for 3 days as the sun and moon will stay in their places in the sky for those 3 days, and finally will kill millions of people. Lands between the island of Mona and the city of Mayaguez, Puerto Rico at 2:00am Puerto Rico time. (We know the hour, but not the date).
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      Romans 3:10 & 23
      10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
      23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
      Luke 5:31-32 (Jesus speaking)
      31 And Jesus answering said unto them, They that are whole need not a physician; but they that are sick.
      32 I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
      1 Peter 3:18 (The word “quicken” means “to make alive”)
      For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
      Romans 10:9
      That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
      Acts 4:12
      Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
      Ephesians 2:8-9
      8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
      9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
      Repent of your sins or suffer the consequences. Lord Jesus died in our places personally to take the death punishment that sin deserves and then resurrected by the power of God. Believe this and sincerely repent of your sins each time you sin and you will have eternal life and nothing to fear. Fail to repent and you will end up in the Lake of Fire.

    • @richarddesrosiers6611
      @richarddesrosiers6611 Před rokem

      @@Square-Watermelon now you're just making shit up. its up to speculation who or what the first horseman in white is or represents. You just use religion to enable yourself, its lazy. If you want to be a bad human do it the hard way like a respectable person.