What Does it Really Cost to Build (Big Turbo) a SRT-4?
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- čas přidán 9. 08. 2019
- Truth be told, it probably costs more than you think to build a Neon SRT4. Obviously there are a million different way to go about building one. In this video I broke down some of the common horsepower goals/levels. Your combo may make more or less than I have listed, this is just to get a general idea. This also assumes you do all the work yourself, and that you are buying EVERYTHING new and name brand. Save yourself some money, some used items are worth the savings, other are not. Make sure to do you research!
I attached a spreadsheet at the end of the video to help break down some of the costs a little better.
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I appreciate that you took all that extra time for those camera angles.
330 HP on pump 94. Injectors, fuel pump, sensors, BWS turbo and most importantly the tune. It's all in the tune.
I made 319whp - 412tq full bolt ons stock turbo e85 under a grand.
Def possible! You just have to buy used/ be thrifty. It's just hard to do. I would say you def are well below the avg amount spent on these cars. Most people will end up spending more. If you dont have any parts laying around and are buying new and paying someone to tune, just the tune, tuner, and a cold air intake are basically 1k assuming you don't have any of that yet.
Matthew Baudoux I made 400whp with the 4g63 engine
I made 310 whp 418 torque on a stock turbo with a 255, injectors, tune.
Good for you lmao
Jeez I made 380-390 wheel with a flash intake and dp and exhaust
Quit calling it a Neon! It's an ESSARRTEEFORRRR! lol, props to the production at the beginning. I'm on my 2nd SRT4 build now. Swing by and check it out if you'd like.
They're addicting! If I had the funds I would have another purposely built for auto cross. What set up are you currently building and where are you located?
@@NoTraction I'm in Florida. I'm gonna copy and paste what was on the description when I bought it lol. Don't mind the prices, that's something I was doing for myself.
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Engine Decked/Hot tanked $300
ARP Headstuds $135
Cometic Head gasket $135
BC Stg 2 Cams $400
Gates Timing belt $135
Fidanza Cam Gears $370
3bar map/tip $65
Mpx Throttle body $270
BFMIC $350
AGP Mounts $230
ACT 6 puck $800
Boomba ball $50
Wikyd fork $120
Injectors $250
Diablosport $400
Aem wideband $180
Walbro 255 $100
Eibach spring $200
Waste gate $50
Custom 02 $350
AGP Fuel Return kit
@@NoTraction come to find out the turbo is actually an ebay knockoff so I'll be looking to change that soon. Either a S256SX or Precision 5731. Also the ebay wastegate has to go.
@@quixilver09 I have an S256RS on my car, it does pretty well for what it is. I have a pretty much full build done on mine, more for longevity reasons, given my right foot. I "should" be safe up into the low 700hp range,.. I'm in the mid to high 500's at the moment. The 256 is a great turbo though, I've been happy with it for the past 6 years or so. I did just look up its price though.. seems that they have gotten REALLY expensive.. maybe they don't produce them anymore??
I"m pretty sure that I didn't pay anything close to that for my 256 when I bought it.. I would have to look over my receipts though..
Thanks for making this informative review 👍🏻
Cool shots..alot of camera work went into this!
Really needed this, bought a full bolt on neon and had to check to make sure I could make the power I wanted, and looks like I got it, jsut need a tune and fuel pump
I have a stage 3 mopar kit on mine making like 350 to the wheel. Few other aftermarket things
I love neons. I have an 05 SXT Special Edition I bought new. My grandson and I are rebuilding it.
Awesome! Glad another one is on a road! They're getting more and more rare! Especially non srt-4s. I don't think I've seen an sxt on the road since fall.
I got a pos srt4 pt cruiser ($800) i was tempted to get a
Ebay t3 manifold for like $90 an ebay turbo the one boostedboiz use $500 a cheap wastegate $150? Some used injectors 1000cc $300? Maybe idk and tune it myself with hp tuners but now im having second thoughts
Imo you can def do it cheaper than I mentioned im this video. You just have to scavenge for parts. If it's a beater, then going cheaper on some of the stuff might be okay. Just keep on mind the less you spend, typically the less reliable it is gonna be. Just don't forget about all the little stuff that nickels and dimes you!
Nice i love the edit, i sub
Thanks! Appreciate it!
rad bro i have always liked the neons and i am thinking of doing a srt4 swap into something but not saying what yet till i know i can make it happen cuz i have searched n not found anyone doing the srt4 swap i wanna do lol but man this is such a nice car u hae bro .. peace n love fam keep it rad stay safe and build on ... l8z
It should be noted that there are a lot of good deals on injectors & tune combos out there. This will save you a few hundred dollars. When i made this video, it wasn't quite as common as it is now, but it's def the way to go these days if you are already in need of injectors.
Please tell me which lut you used for this video love the blacks !!
It’s been awhile since I’ve made this video, but I’m fairly certain I made it myself - and unfortunately no longer have the file for this video due to a hardware failure
Ago makes a stage 4 turbo kit that comes with a lot of what he said. That's get you 500+ alone
Great video. My 6 puck, fork and pivot ball was about 1k alone lol
It adds up faster than people think!
The pivot ball is like 15-30 dollars. The other $900 was everything else
Do you have upgraded cams and if you do what stage and maker are they?
Yea BC stage 2
3 bar map and tip is around $100 overall prices are pretty accurate though
Thanks for the insight!
Stock map and tip is a 2.25 bar. Stage 2 and 3 , came with 3 bar sensors (Mopar) You can run these sensors, they will plug directly into the factory connections, however.. you will need a custom tune to use them on non Stg 2 or 3 ECMs. So, factor in the tuning device, cost of senors,.. someone do the the "scale" for you.. and if your going to push it that much harder, the stock injectors cant keep up with anything when it gets cold..., unless you lower the boost. Which, a completely stock SRT shoots for a "specific output" given its known input. It's target is a torque lookup table.
526hp 3500 cash spent, block was the only thing built, I didn't lay a finger in the build. 626 turbo 3 bar map stage 3 cams, cam gears, bigger intake valves, lifters, arp bolted down, bigger injectors, arp manifold, 500 dollar intercooler, stage 3 axles, stage 3 clutch, cox racing k frame welded to engine motor mount top of the line parts no bs, somehow stayed under 3500 and I paid my mechanics around 1000 or less
I would say you got one hell of a deal on labor then! 3500 for the block, accessories, or all together? No matter how you split it, not bad at all though. But yeah you can do it cheaper than what I had stated in this video, I would say having that much done and being all in at 4500 is extremely rare though, especially for labor, and for that power level.
im looking at building an n/a sebring 2.4 to srt; rods, pistions, water/fuel pump, injectors and computer
That will be one unique build!
"cheap" speed??? 😄😄 Good vídeo👍
It's the old triangle pick 2. Cheap/fast/reliable
I have no idea what the srt4 I recently purchased makes, but I can say this the guy I bought it from did not take care of this car. It needs work but watching this video has restored my faith, but it needs a new clutch and flywheel and throw out bearing. If there are any brands you can reccomend, I would appreciate it.
Yeah sadly sometimes these things arent well upkept because of their price point. Stock clutch will be fine typically if it's relatively stock. But if not i'd stick name brand with that stuff because pulling a trans twice is not fun lol. Ask me how i know. Modern performance is a great site to look at options. Theyre super knowledgeable and have a lot of information on their site about specific parts if you click on them. They're avg-slightly above average prices, but you can start there and see if there are any sales on the parts you find elsewhere. I would just avoid cheaping out on the clutch itself, because i good clutch lasts wayyyy longer than a chinese knockoff
@@NoTraction yeah this guy put an act 6 puck clutch in all new hardware, but didnt out the old release bearing in to break the clutch in and then put the new one in. The rockers are completely rusted through. But that's what I was thinking about doing is just going back to a stock clutch. He hasn't nodded it very much. Just seems like a college kid who thought his car was just a toy to play with. I paid $3300 for the car and between parts and labor I have over $2000 in it and still have things to fix. It's sad really that people dont always appreciate what they have.
Yeah i try to tell people to avoid stuff down around the 3k mark for that reason, unless you like tinkering. I like working on my stuff in winter/spring and driving during the summer/fall. I HATE working on my stuff during the cruising season but that's life sometimes. But yeah that's dumb. I think a throwing out bearing is like $50/60? Dumb to spend all that time/$ and not spend the extra $ to do it right. Glad to see someone bringing one back though! I think the prices of these will go up here in 10 years or so, you already see it in 80s and now 90s cars. Not sure how rusty it is, but rust can be fixed too! They also make decent fun dailys for the price too if the rust is something you're not worried about. My friend drove his through winters while he had, just need winter tires for better traction. His was def a beater, but i always envied having a fun car out in the winter
@@NoTraction I'm the type that I'd rather have to work on it and in 6 months have a perfectly good car for the next ten years rather than buy one that seems too good to be true and in 6 months be replacing the motor or trans. Just it's a work in progress and I fully plan on getting it back to it's former glory, I just have to have patience. My brother had two and loved them.
100% agree! Well good luck with it, they're super fun cars and relatively easy to diagnose and work on!
Do u have website to get these parts from ???
I personally don't. I have used agp's website, modern performance, and summit racing. I like moder performance and summit the best. There are other websites out there, but those are the only 3 I have used for srt4 parts.
Turbobay performance has the bws for $645 and you can make well over 330whp 🙃
Liszandro Rodriguez I’m fbo e85 custom tuned right now, how much do you think I have to spend to go big turbo?
German Villalobos all depends on what setup you go with and how much power is your goal
I’m Assuming you have a clutch, pump and injectors 3 bar map and tip since your tuned on e85. You can pick up a used kit anywhere from 1000-1500. New your looking at 2k +. A few years ago I picked up a low mileage agp kit for 1300. Also factor in your going to need a return line possibly bigger injectors and a new tune.
I made 400hp for way less using name brand stuff , turbo kit was a Garret 50trim kit , upgraded clutch , injectors , and fuel pump. And a good time should get you there . Or maybe I just got lucky
It is possible to do it for less! This is assuming you buy everything new and not on sale! Also there's tons of combos to get to 400hp. This was just a very broad overview of what you could spend
I'm running a similar setup making 500
@@prestonprietojr1686 on stock internal bro ??
@@psychoaccelerate3886 yes sir
My main question is if these could be applied to the PT Cruiser GT since they have the same engine..
There it really the same tbh
They have different internals
Need more spooly boi noises!
Once the salt is off the road I'll get some more videos out there!
Dont look down at your car so much, or get a lapelle mic, cause its messing with your audio. And during a speech, rule of thumb is, dont look back at your visual aid unless you're referring the audience to something specific on it. It's kinda awkward just talking to yourself in front of a camera I know, but just try not to look away so often.
Your intro cinematic was fantastic tho. Love seeing a good opening like that. Keep doin your thing man. Great video
Thanks much for the constructive criticism!
Yeah wow thanks random advice guy, why do you people do that? It’s so unnecessary, literally nobody asked for your advice or opinions
@@jsbbd136 as you can see, me and No Traction had a very cordial conversation so I dont know what your problem is. I was trying to help him improve his video quality in the future, which He asked for himself at the end of his video. So someone Did ask for my opinion actually, although absolutely no one asked for yours.
A proper stock turbo setup on E85 with a good tune and supporting mods will run you far less than this and put you in the 350HP range. Big turbo is not always better, the stock TD04 is capable of great power and is much more responsive than most "big" turbo setups.
I agree. I think you'd need a few supporting mods for 350 with e85, but it is a cheaper route! Plus e85 is becoming easier and easier to find. But is 350hp enough🤷♂️ I used to think it was but it kind of becomes an addiction with diminishing returns lol
@@NoTraction Definitely! I suppose it depends what you want from the car. I run the Mopar stage 3 setup on E85 and its a monster on the street. Super reliable, amazing power, and with the right tires (Toyo R888) and boost by gear 0 traction issues. I been in a number of SRT's with bigger turbo setups than the stage 3 and takes the car out of its sweet spot IMO.
@@TheGuyFromWI Agreed! My only regret going with a big turbo is missing the instant boost you get down low on a stocker. That, and the fact that if I ever auto crossed the thr car I would just spin tires and have to keep it at 4k rpm to stay in the powerband lol
@@TheGuyFromWI how you like the tires? My stage 3 will be here this week. It makes around 430hp so with winter here in colorado trying to find a set of winters but I need a really good set of summer tires that are good for street.
@@hiddengemeatery2910 Honestly I am super impressed by the R888s if you are running the stock wheels IMO they are the best option available due to size limitations. If you have aftermarket wheels that opens up lots of other options for sticky tires. I have very limited driving in the rain but they did just fine. Once the temp drops they are like any other R compond tire, but for summer though late fall in WI they did amazing and the tread wear was better than I expected. Very happy. I have full traction in second gear with boost by gear set around 18 PSI on S3. I think I could go up to ~20 and still have traction. No spin at 26PSI in 3rd.
Do you also upgrade suspension and brakes on those undesirable looking Neons. I guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder 😀
Nah it’s a neon, why bother😜
@@NoTraction With that amount of horsepower upgrade one would think you need bigger brakes and better suspension for better handling, safety purposes and stopping power. It defeats the purpose of adding more horsepower if you're not gonna upgrade the important issues.
@@henryhawkins1194stock brakes and suspension work fine unless you're doing autocross or road course racing
I'm assuming none of your parts are Ebay parts based on pricing and most people that I've seen or known spend so little money because EBAY parts.... most the stuff you names at the prices you said, I could find for half those prices they just wont be name brand stuff.... so I'm curious what "name brand" stuff did you buy for your srt4?
Basically everything is name brand. I wouldn't skimp on major stuff, i.e. turbo, wastegate, bov, etc. Other stuff you can get away with, mainly cuz sometimes offbrand stuff works just as well. Offbrand stuff I'd uee would be items that if they fail, don't do any significant damage. I consider these items such as piping (prob would go name brand intercooler tho), catch can, gauges, fittings, lines, etc.
@@NoTraction yeah I figured most of your stuff was name brand.... I feel the same way... would rather have good parts on my car, even if it is a lil pricey compared to what other people are doing.... p.s. thank you for replying, great job on video.... please keep making vids
I want to see the nova again
I will have some videos of it this spring! It ate part of a dipstick so I have to drop the pan to fish it out this winter
I thrift shop on SRT4 owners Facebook page. Stuff always for sale on there.
That's one way to do it! If you know what to look for you can get stuff for less than half the price of new!
Throw 9k to the hood and u got a hellcat killer
I built one for 3k. ......but i had parts laying around.
Yeah that's not bad at all! Most people have stuff laying around or some mods have been done to the car already, that def saves some money! What turbo did you go with?
I want one
Get one! You won't regret it!
I own one that puts down just over 500. Dont regret it one bit
Getting a dodge neon this Saturday
@@kikito857 is it a srt4 or just a neon
Preston Prieto Jr srt4
343 hp and not full bolt ons yet on stock turbo
Not bad, and good to note! This video just gives a rough idea, it is by nomeans a set, x+y=hp. Everyones setup is a little different, so it's hard to throw numbers out there that fit everything.
After everything adds up ,it still cheaper than one Stupid Tesla Battery ✅️
What’s your insta?
It's @no_traction
Easy enough lol
selling my stage 1 68k miles no rust lmk if interested
2004 stock no accidents clean title
Rust free! That's def getting harder to find these days!
Location
Location price?
$10,000+
Spending over 10k to get to 500whp is insane and if it costs ya that much to build it you're doin it wrong. Only had to spend around 1k to get to 350whp and another $400 to get to 450whp. Granted the 450whp is with Chinese turbo but all the same.
That's why I leave mine stock....
Stock ones are basically unicorns these days! Bullet proof and still fun though!
Cheapest route is just buy one that's already built to the tits that someone else is done playing with and needs the money for a house or has a baby on the way. LoL
Ask me how I know lol
@@NoTraction im 38 and not interested in building a car anymore, but I know what goes into it...I'm gunna find one that a finnish build and just enjoy it and appreciate it for what it is.
Hey man nothing wrong with that! I have an older beetle that I have done basically nothing besides diagnose an electrical issue. I don't mind doing minor work and sometimes you just dont want/ have time for a project you know?
290 is plenty
300 hp is plenty lol
your exhaust sounds like garbo lmao
I dump it straight out of the header lol. So basically it's just a header haha. It sounds better thru the whole exhaust imo, but it's just too quite for me
No Traction my buddy’s srt4 has a borla exhaust and it sounds so nice
Ayy bro I have a channel called no traction and I also have a neon what a coincidence I didn’t know this channel existed or I wouldn’t have called mine that sorry didn’t mean to copy you I think no traction is just a common thing on the mind of srt 4 owners 😂 anyway wish you the best
No big deal lol. Traction is def an issue with them! I don't think there is an easier car to build that has such big issues with traction than neons lol. Best of luck to you too!