I would buy rdr1 if weren't so fucking expensive these days. No Rockstar, just because it was a great game I'm not gonna pay 100 dollars to play it again
When Dutch said “this is a good one” it’s the subtle acknowledgement that all his previous plans have failed this is the one and only time Dutch admits he failed
@@alexm7627 I feel tho that his humility is coming from a place of guilt I believe in this scene all the memories come flooding back from the second game he even says the same speech he said when he was with Arthur implying that he was still thinking about him as much as I see Dutch as an ego driven narcissist I still give Dutch some appreciation because in the end he accepted it was his time and let John live his life with some peace knowing he didn’t shoot the man he once knew as his surrogate father
Likely stopped speaking much English and hasn’t for a while before he meets John. Javier in RDR2 has been exiled from Mexico. He’s been living with Americans for a while, constantly conversing in English. Makes sense his accent would be at it’s weakest and then by RDR1 it’s come back strong.
In rdr2 Javier is the only gang member who doesn't point his gun at Arthur and John. In Rdr1 he's the only one out of the 3 people you go after, who doesn't try to kill you, he just tries to run away. Javier was a real one all the way until the end
@@misterchief3338because we are pursuing him. Can you blame him? Your trying to apprehend him and what do you think he's supposed to do? Come along quietly? He's an outlaw for crying out loud.
@@senshiserenity7088 no, but like he wasn’t a real one if he was willing entirely to kill John to save himself, especially when he literally says he hates John and wants him to burn in hell lmao.
@@senshiserenity7088 no, but i don’t get how people act like Javier was this great guy that just couldn’t make his mind up in the end. Arthur literally calls him a sack of shit before he betrays him. He was deluded and blindly followed dutch instead of doing the right thing and in RDR1 he’s a scumbag criminal who is on the run after committing crime for years after the events of RDR2. not a good guy at all.
Not really. In fact I never saw him interact with them. He probably thought Abigail was manipulating John and turning him against Dutch just like Dutch thought
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@@joshuastinnett6449 That’s not true. Javier chose Dutchs side. Just because he didn’t point a gun at John doesn’t mean he didn’t choose a side, otherwise he would’ve been standing next to John along with Arthur. And you’re forgetting that Javier was with Dutch and Micah when they “went back” for John after he got shot off the train. He straight up betrayed John so John has every right to not care about him after all the time they spent together
The cool thing is in rdr 1 when you confront Javier you can actually see him planning a quick escape route, You can see this as he quickly leans against the crate then starts looking at the window as he's talking to John. After that he pushes that same crate or block into John as he proceeds to make a quick escape out the window. Great subtle but very obvious detail right there.
Javier getting more aggressive towards John and Arthur after they start to distance themselves from the gang always felt a little random to me. I totally get why it happened and understand that rockstar gave a bit of an arch to Javier to explain how he became a villain in #1 but I don't know if it was the voice actor (who is fantastic) or the writing but there was just something about the transition that felt rushed or slightly off
Bill be talking about John only saving himself when it was mostly John being saved. Saved from the mountain, saved from sisika, saved from the Pinkertons by Arthur.
there is still a little bit of gang members left like mary beth, charles, sadie, pearson, tilly, trelawney and other small characters like bonnie mcfarlane
It would make sense as the speech Dutch gave to John was a copy of the speech he gave the army when he and Arthur were evading them by jumping off that cliff
@@cptfreeman8966 Especially when he says “our time has passed, John” and how that mirrors what Arthur said about John being the one who “made it” in their final encounter. Dutch finally came to grips with what Arthur believed.
“You left me to die to save your own skin and now you expect me to care about you?” That hit different after John gets shot off the train and Dutch goes back to “save” John
@@Strangeminds38 did we play the same game.He pointed the gun at Micah and Arthur.He wasn’t a blind sheep.he became one after he lost everyone.No one wants to lose there family.Yes did Javier follow Dutch without questioning a lot more yes he did.But st the end of the day he put his faith in Dutch.And Dutch crumbled it.Not on purpose.Kinda how he crumbled the natives,his gang,his sanity
I thought it got more meaning because of how dutch turned his back on arthur yelling for help and left him to die in the oil company without any hesitation just because he could
Kieren spoke the truth when he “ive been with you guys for a couple of weeks and all I’m saying is y’all ain’t so different from the O’Driscols” that line always sticks with me cause Kieren is the only one who saw the truth before Arthur or John but nobody listened cause of who he ran with
Yeah but he recants that statement when he says the be other guys didn't even know his name and they were disposable no one cared about anyone. Still he was right, the ladies in the gang were all real.
Colm never cared about his men and only saw them as numbers, but Dutch saw his members as family. In the end, however, when he took in Joe and Cleet, he proved that he was no different than Colm.
@@jeybee481 I like to think they made John travel to those two countries and kill Charles and Sadie. And that's why he's even more cold and looks sour and cold.
@@b.a.k5367 I mean I don’t know how they would find Charles. He pretty much ducks out but Sadie is a bounty hunter now so she’s pretty much doing the same thing John is.
@@FirstOfTheMagi Abigail died of natural causes. By your interpretation not even Jack made the "Dutch's dream." Even tho his true dream was to basically be a cult leader. Anyway. Merry Christmas who ever you are stranger.
Dutch's "I got a plan" speech is literally a reiterated version of what he said on the cliff by the river with Arthur when they were surrounded by the army.
@Flicks Honestly, I'm with you on this one. But I'd rather keep it to myself, let people have their fun, and not be a prick about it. It confuses me how many people believe they planned everything from the start when rdr1 characters don't even mention rdr2 characters like arthur, micah, sadie, hosea, pretty much the dead cast. When rdr2 was still in development too, there were even articles going like "hey, you're not gonna be playing as john marston." But, what's amazing is how rockstar found whatever bits and pieces from rdr1 and fleshed it out to become how great rdr2 is now with all its foreshadowing and whatever details can find.
@@wilfweNightsky nobody's being a prick about it, they're just too blind on DEM GRAFFICZ and clunky gameplay to see how much RDR2 took and how much it just straight up changed/retconned from the previous entry. The fanbase just refuses to believe that RDR2 is very flawed, and it's not only because it's a prequel. They completely butchered Marston's character so that he wouldn't steal the stoplight from Arthur, making John a complete buffoon so that Arthur can be the "man who taught him to be real man", wouldn't be the first time they used some cheap tactic to make a new character seem better. **Stares at Trevor killing Johnny Klebitz**
@@thebadwolf3088 sounds like you can't read in between the lines. But regardless, they did put in a lot of details (even unnecessary ones but people will always point things out for muh realism). And like I said, rockstar probably never planned everything from the start, so yes, they had to rewrite some things for pieces to make sense even if it was forced, especially for a relatively old game at this point. I also get that it's kinda frustrating they turned john into such a wimp compared to how much of a badass "bounty hunter" he was in rdr1, but you overlooked that rdr2 had arcs. I think rockstar starting john as a wimp in rdr2 is a great take with him not knowing how to swim in both games(+ his simple drawings compared to arthur). We played as arthur, saw the start and the end of things. We saw sadie get revenge. And when taking back jack from bronte, he could see john realizing he has to be a better father, there are even some videos around showing him paying more attention to jack later on. If rdr2 is the fall of the gang, rdr1 is the complete end (unless rockstar plans to give jack a story).
The saddest part of it all: you think John was getting his “redemption” by tracking down his former brother’s in arms in order to reclaim his new life. But we never knew that the only way for John to find redemption was in his death
@@jackj9816 my favorite mission was the Mexican-American war mission with the cannons on both side of the river with that bridge in the middle it just was amazing to me
Really makes you think about how hard the gang falling apart must've been on him especially if he changed this drastically, moved to Mexico, regained an Accent be didn't have before, he never found a second life like Pearson, Trelawney, Swanson, the girls or John did, he just kinda decayed as a person
If they do remaster it I’m torn if it should be left as is or have the actors just insert a few references to Arthur. Like when Bill confronts John for the first time “No more Dutch… No more Morgan… and no more you. Now I’M IN CHARGE!”
No, I don’t think they should mention Arthur, but maybe Arthur’s journal is on a shelf during a cutscene or something. It would be wrong to change the story like that.
@@brandenmarcum430 I feel if they’d remaster it, it should be just that, a remaster, anything else would just make it a remake. I feel like remaster would be better off than a remake just cause I mean, we already know the whole story now from beginning to end so really there’s no reason to remake the game if rdr2 takes place prior to the events of rdr but follows rdr at the same time
In my high school in Denmark we do a big assignment during our last year, where we choose the topic ourselves. I wrote about American self-understanding seen through the western genre. In the assignment I analyzed and interpreted RDR2 and my teachers absolutely loved it. I got a top grade because of a brilliant video game. That brings me joy
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Bill's dialogue kinda make it seem like he wanted to be with John and Arthur in the final mission of rdr2. Like he believes John and Arthur were saved but they didn't try to save the other who seemed like they wanted to serve Dutch for the rest of their life. But the way Bill puts it here, with retrospective, kinda sounds like he too was doubting Dutch but just didn't want to admit it and felt betrayed when bith John and Arthur people he respected didn't even try to get him along with the plan to leave. Same could be said with Javier as well. If you watch both Bill and Javier in the final mission of RDR2 they're both incredibly hesitant about who to side with.
I mean yeah, it checks out. Bill Williamson has always been an immensely insecure man. He acts tough, he wants to be in on the plan, he wants to be respected, but he isn’t particularly smart, graceful, or good at anything but brute violence. As such, he has an AWFUL time properly considering or communicating his emotions, so he mostly just ends up projecting onto others, and sinking into paranoia. The way Bill had rationalized it, it couldn’t have been that Bill had been misled by somebody he respected into betraying those he cared about. No, there must have been SOME good reason. John was selfish! Yeah, that was it! He was selfish! He didn’t look out for anybody but himself, so I am therefore somewhat justified in mistreating him the way I did.
When Dutch talks about he has a plan and “This one is a good one” is a reference to when he was with Arthur and the soldiers and jumped off saying the exact same line
“It was an excuse, and we all knew.” John always knew Dutch was bullshitting him with the dreamer talk, and that they were always outlaws who can’t be civilized because of their greed. None of them wanted to admit they were lower than human
Exactly people like Arthur because was a complex character while John was less complex but there was more to him in depth with where he stands with his personality in red dead redemption not in rdr2
Man who knew a story so simple can caused all this to happen really to be truthful this game series helped me with a lot am not saying that I was depressed or something like that but it showed me both the beauty of the past and the rage I don't know if I can say anything other then that now am not saying there isn't a lot you could talk about but that sums it up looking back to a place you wish you could be gets you farther from it it's not wrong to want to be there but clinging on to it is what kills you
Rdr2 was probably one of the best prequels to anything ever it showed so much exposition and managed to be one of the best game I’ve ever while having to fill plotholes made by the first game
rdr1 was amazing and had a deep story when it came out and i enjoyed it a lot..now that we know the backstory of all that, yes, it hits even harder.. a remake of this game would be insane..people started playing rdr1 again after finishing the second..and a remake would also be much deserved for a game like that
@@OleR. you clearly aren’t a man of culture. Engrish/Engish is what happens when someone doesn’t speak English that well. If you look it up, you’ll mostly see images from Asia. They are laughable signs and captions that sometimes mean the opposite of what they are supposed to mean
SPOILER ALERT Arthur's story was amazing, as we see him change after he finds out his life is on its last legs, he becomes a better man overall and its emotional. But John is the more tragic character, mainly because his family was taken from him by agent Ross, he was then forced to hunt down his old associates to get them back, he was shot, lied to a lot, betrayed in Mexico which pissed me off, treated like a low life outlaw, even though he was trying to change that by working on and living at his ranch, and eventually when he is reunited with his family and kid, he gets shot dead and betrayed by agent Ross, who literally got him to do everything he did and ensured John he'd get out alive. John's story was definitely the saddest story overall. The rdr2 epilogue made his story even more emotional.
Saddest part of all, it was all for nothing as even though John sacrificed himself to save his family (more specifically Jack) from his past sins, Jack would fall into the outlaw life by exacting retribution on Agent Ross and become a killer like his father.
@@cristianlopez_8486 And all those years ago Arthur constantly talked about revenge being foolish and pointless. That wisdom really hits home with the events of the first game.
“You know that life we lived is over and when we was livin it, it didn’t mean nothing anyway it was just an excuse and we all knew” that quote hit hard after playing the second game
Its so crazy how sour Javier turned after the events of RDR2. He was probably one of the nicer people to talk to in camp, and one of my favorites to go on missions with because I felt like I actually enjoyed his company and he actually cared about Arthur, John, and the others. For the most part, he was right up there with Charles for me, and thats saying something. And afterwards he turned into this sack of shit 🤣
Playing it again after rdr 2 I really didn’t want to kill bill. Knowing he won’t back down because he’s too dumb but still loving him because we saw he was loyal and had a good heart just like Arthur. Only difference was Arthur was smarter and wasn’t blinded by his loyalty
Honestly, Javier is the one former gang member I feel bad for in Red Dead Redemption. He didn’t really have anything to do with John getting betrayed, he was just doing what he thought was best, even fled to Mexico to get away from everything.
Javier is definitely the saddest to see. Just feels like he fell the hardest out of the 3. In 2 he seems so young and caring and just full of life. I kind of wish they gave more of a reason to his siding with Dutch though. Bill I always understood but Javier felt like he should have seen what was going on
I’d same remake over remaster, imagine rdr1 but you can go through all of rdr2 with some extra missions in other places like more bounty hunting with Sadie and stuff
@@georggggggge Yeah but it wouldn't really make any sense, Sadie said she was moving to South America at the end of rdr2. Also I feel like it would kind of ruin thr flow of rdr1. I do think it would be cool if they remade it and added some lines that mentioned Arthur and other events from rdr2.
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I remember the first time I had played rdr2 I really thought John was the rat because of how the first game is until I found it it was micah I was stunned
Still a third part of the story left and John fucked off for a year. Micah is 110% a rat but there's gonna be a twist, we only have 2 games with still so many questions and characters that we haven't seen properly and obviously the Blackwater job.
@@sd616uk8 right, we haven’t seen relations with characters like Mac and Davey because they died without us knowing them at all. So who knew what was going on with them. and then the blackwater heist, so much we don’t know, where did Dutch hide the money, how did he get it back to beaver hollow? Was it ever REALLY stashed and left behind in Blackwater? Or did Dutch lie and have Micah bug him about going back to make everyone think it was still there? And why did Dutch kill that girl during the blackwater job???
And Charles, those 3 were always loyal The sad thing is that Charles and Saddie were new in the gang (Charles like 6 month but still), and the other ones being there for much longer weren't as loyal as them
I bet this hits John hard asf, ik he probably hates them, but imagine tracking down or killin a old former gang member that was considered as family one point. John probably finds it annoying but I’m just saying it’s pretty sad.
"This is a good one" The only real plan Dutch seemed to have between both games. And he was right. It WAS a good one in a sense. He threw down his weapon, stopped running, and took the only way out that would let him die a free man
Wait... I tought he was saying like "this is a good joke" refering to what John said. I never thing he had said "this is a good plan". Thank for have made me think
@eliott hagenbarth that’s your opinion I like Hosea but I was mainly talking about playable characters John honestly had the best story out of everyone
Yeah he is they messed him up real bad in the epilogue as arthur you see he has the hairstyle for rdr1 and his neck was smaller and he had his own body type but in epilogue he has arthur body shape and size and his hair is not the same and his facial hair is bleached
John is one of the smartest people in the rdr universe aside from Dutch despite everyone calling him an idiot, he knew how it would end, and he had a chance to escape with his life, he could have ran out of the back of the barn or taken them all down but he wanted it to end that way, he succeeded in his redemption because his redemption wasn't death, it was saving his family and he did just that and even with 60 holes in him, his lungs filling with blood, his life ending as he fell to his knees, he held on, he held on to look his killer in the eye and let him know that even though he's dead, he still won
To be honest, I feel really sorry for Javier. Somehow he became my favourite character... His appearance, his songs, his confusion in the final standoff between Dutch and Arthur - it all came together. If only he saw what Micah did to Grimshaw... Rockstar likes to give the player only an illusion of a choice, my mexican boe is gonna be dead regardless of your actions :(
I remember playing and beating the first red dead redemption back in late 2011 the ending really hit hard I'm hapy we got te see more backstory in the second
"You always thought I was an idiot."
"That ant fair Bill...everyone did."
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Bruh
Top tier comment.
He was like a willing idiot. Like nobody in the group liked him. Micah used him but everyone hated Bill
“I got a plan” rlly hit different after playin RDR2 😭
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"And that's a good one"
I KNOW A GUY WHO CAN GET US TO AUSTRALIA OR TAHITI
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Dutch became his former self
“I got a plan” -🤡
“You always gotta plan Dutch”
“This is a good one”
“TAHITI JOHN! JUST ONE MORE SCORE AND WE WILL HAVE ENOUGH MONEY! DON’T DOUBT ME”
“HAVE SOME GODDAMN FAITH!”
ENOUGH WITH THE DOUBTING!!
He probably would've shot him if he said that
“YOU NEED TO TRUST ME JOHN!!”
WE NEED MONEH
Every single death in rdr1 hit harder after playing rdr2 and John's death hits even harder
Oh yeah especially when you figure out he was wise to Dutch's bullshit
SHOOT I should not have read that. I didn’t know John dirf
@@anonymousmoustache3654he died being a man, protectong its family
For me, Uncle's death hit harder than I thought it would. The gang always shat on him but he was always loyal and not all the time lazy.
I played RDR2 first. Found it really hard executing Bill when I then played the first
RDR is the only remaster I would ever pay full price for. I want it so bad, just so they can add dialogue about the events of RDR2.
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That would be a remake, not a remaster
Edit: I can't believe that I'm getting bullied so much from two simple replys
@@reduxg3889 remaster is only improving the graphics
I would buy rdr1 if weren't so fucking expensive these days. No Rockstar, just because it was a great game I'm not gonna pay 100 dollars to play it again
@@Silkier okay
When Dutch said “this is a good one” it’s the subtle acknowledgement that all his previous plans have failed this is the one and only time Dutch admits he failed
It seems that in the end he still had some humility
@@alexm7627 I feel tho that his humility is coming from a place of guilt I believe in this scene all the memories come flooding back from the second game he even says the same speech he said when he was with Arthur implying that he was still thinking about him as much as I see Dutch as an ego driven narcissist I still give Dutch some appreciation because in the end he accepted it was his time and let John live his life with some peace knowing he didn’t shoot the man he once knew as his surrogate father
@@samalam6853 very complex
Dutch admits he failed in black water in one of the hidden dialogues in chapter 2
To Hosea to
Javiers accent must have gotten stronger once he moved back to México.
It does that in real life too
Spend enough time in a different country you'll start to sound like them if im wrong I'm sorry
@@brokeboycody6091True, based on personal experiences.
Likely stopped speaking much English and hasn’t for a while before he meets John.
Javier in RDR2 has been exiled from Mexico. He’s been living with Americans for a while, constantly conversing in English. Makes sense his accent would be at it’s weakest and then by RDR1 it’s come back strong.
He has a different voice actor in RDR1
In rdr2 Javier is the only gang member who doesn't point his gun at Arthur and John. In Rdr1 he's the only one out of the 3 people you go after, who doesn't try to kill you, he just tries to run away. Javier was a real one all the way until the end
He shoots at you multiple times in RDR1
@@misterchief3338because we are pursuing him. Can you blame him? Your trying to apprehend him and what do you think he's supposed to do? Come along quietly? He's an outlaw for crying out loud.
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no, but like he wasn’t a real one if he was willing entirely to kill John to save himself, especially when he literally says he hates John and wants him to burn in hell lmao.
@@misterchief3338 did you bump your head writing this? I'm convinced you did.
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no, but i don’t get how people act like Javier was this great guy that just couldn’t make his mind up in the end. Arthur literally calls him a sack of shit before he betrays him. He was deluded and blindly followed dutch instead of doing the right thing and in RDR1 he’s a scumbag criminal who is on the run after committing crime for years after the events of RDR2. not a good guy at all.
"I got a plan John.."
"You always got a plan Dutch!"
"This is a GOOD ONE.."
whole game led up to that scene in my opinion, amazing game
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The whole game led up to the end of the game? Damn that’s crazy bro
@@shake9662 haha
"The end of the game" 😂 watch them make another one lol
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Javier talking about Jack and Abigail like that, really hits dif after how much he cared about them in rdr2
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Not really. In fact I never saw him interact with them. He probably thought Abigail was manipulating John and turning him against Dutch just like Dutch thought
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I feel bad for Javier cause he was the only one to not choose a side and then John doesn't care about him and leaves him to hang or kills him himself
@@joshuastinnett6449 That’s not true. Javier chose Dutchs side. Just because he didn’t point a gun at John doesn’t mean he didn’t choose a side, otherwise he would’ve been standing next to John along with Arthur. And you’re forgetting that Javier was with Dutch and Micah when they “went back” for John after he got shot off the train. He straight up betrayed John so John has every right to not care about him after all the time they spent together
“When I’m gone, they’ll just find another monster.”-Dutch
When thinking of memorable quotes that literally the first one I think of.
The cool thing is in rdr 1 when you confront Javier you can actually see him planning a quick escape route, You can see this as he quickly leans against the crate then starts looking at the window as he's talking to John. After that he pushes that same crate or block into John as he proceeds to make a quick escape out the window. Great subtle but very obvious detail right there.
Calling something "subtle but very obvious" makes no fucking sense
Javier used to be like the chillest person in the gang, in RDR1 he really changed into a monster. It's sad to hear him curse John's family like that.
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The main disadvantage of Javier was being blindly loyal to dutch
Fr Javier was one of my favorites in RDR2 hurts bad. Whole fucking series hurts bad man, so beautiful tho
His guitar literally uplifted the mood in camp
Javier getting more aggressive towards John and Arthur after they start to distance themselves from the gang always felt a little random to me. I totally get why it happened and understand that rockstar gave a bit of an arch to Javier to explain how he became a villain in #1 but I don't know if it was the voice actor (who is fantastic) or the writing but there was just something about the transition that felt rushed or slightly off
Bill be talking about John only saving himself when it was mostly John being saved. Saved from the mountain, saved from sisika, saved from the Pinkertons by Arthur.
Exactly
Bill probably meant how he left the gang to save him and his family instead of helping Dutch.
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“You always thought I was an IDIOT!”
“That ain’t fair Bill, we all did.”
Its really sad to me to know that the red dead story did not have a happy ending. After jack there was no one left.
there is still a little bit of gang members left like mary beth, charles, sadie, pearson, tilly, trelawney and other small characters like bonnie mcfarlane
@@vikcheetoyeah but they were all alone and Jack finished the story off, the others weren’t so “main characterish”
I like to think that, when Dutch hesitate for a moment and then says, "This is a good one..." he was thinking about Arthur!
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He’s thinking about his daddy
It would make sense as the speech Dutch gave to John was a copy of the speech he gave the army when he and Arthur were evading them by jumping off that cliff
@@cptfreeman8966 except this time there wasn't any river to save him
@@cptfreeman8966 Especially when he says “our time has passed, John” and how that mirrors what Arthur said about John being the one who “made it” in their final encounter. Dutch finally came to grips with what Arthur believed.
“You left me to die to save your own skin and now you expect me to care about you?” That hit different after John gets shot off the train and Dutch goes back to “save” John
I don’t think they were lying knowing Javier he wouldn’t lie back then until now
@@tonydaza8504 Javier was a blind sheep by the end of the game, he totally gave a fuck about John and thought he was a traitor.
Javier didn't know he was alive
@@Strangeminds38 did we play the same game.He pointed the gun at Micah and Arthur.He wasn’t a blind sheep.he became one after he lost everyone.No one wants to lose there family.Yes did Javier follow Dutch without questioning a lot more yes he did.But st the end of the day he put his faith in Dutch.And Dutch crumbled it.Not on purpose.Kinda how he crumbled the natives,his gang,his sanity
I thought it got more meaning because of how dutch turned his back on arthur yelling for help and left him to die in the oil company without any hesitation just because he could
"I got a plan" from Dutch, that was the one that hit me the hardest
“They’re coming for you John” the duality of Dutch was insane
Kieren spoke the truth when he “ive been with you guys for a couple of weeks and all I’m saying is y’all ain’t so different from the O’Driscols” that line always sticks with me cause Kieren is the only one who saw the truth before Arthur or John but nobody listened cause of who he ran with
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You know what , your completely right . And it never hit me till I read this comment just now .
True it was the illusion of family that kept them together. Outside looking in you can see the shadiness of Dutch and Micah.
Yeah but he recants that statement when he says the be other guys didn't even know his name and they were disposable no one cared about anyone. Still he was right, the ladies in the gang were all real.
Colm never cared about his men and only saw them as numbers, but Dutch saw his members as family. In the end, however, when he took in Joe and Cleet, he proved that he was no different than Colm.
I'm glad Charles Smith didn't get caught up in all the craziness of RDR1. He may've been my favorite character after John and Arthur.
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That's because he wasn't around anymore, he probably joined Rain Falls tribe in Canada as he said during the epilogue
need a game set between rdr2 and 1 where you play as charles
@@jeybee481 I like to think they made John travel to those two countries and kill Charles and Sadie. And that's why he's even more cold and looks sour and cold.
@@b.a.k5367 I mean I don’t know how they would find Charles. He pretty much ducks out but Sadie is a bounty hunter now so she’s pretty much doing the same thing John is.
"It was just an excuse and we all knew" is the line that hits the hardest for me, shows how John was so aware in general.
At the end Dutch knew. John, Abigail and Jack were the only people who made it... The dream. Land. Farm. All of it. The plan.
Jack was really the only one to make it sadly
@@FirstOfTheMagi none survives earthly life without dying my guy
@@raah5583 wow so profound. John and Abigail did not escape their outlaw life but Jack did. Jack is the only one who "made it"
@@FirstOfTheMagi Abigail died of natural causes. By your interpretation not even Jack made the "Dutch's dream." Even tho his true dream was to basically be a cult leader. Anyway. Merry Christmas who ever you are stranger.
RD1 's biggest mistake was making Dutch's shirt close to his skin colour
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Tbh if he actually was shirtless he would look cooler
I always thought he was running around shirtless
Haha I actually thought that was his skin
Really doesn’t look horrible I think
(Alternate timeline)
"I've got a plan John"
"Oh yeah what type of plan!?"
"How does TAHITI sound to ya?"
Or we will take you along to Guarma this time.
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“But first, we need some money”
What are we supposed to find in Tahiti?
i love they were able to keep most of the voice actors after years in between
"We can’t fight gravity…"-1914
"We can’t fight gravity…!"-1899
He jumped in both scenes
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1914 is when Jack M.'s redemption story takes place
He doesn't cut off and jump immedieatly after that line, he jumps after "What the hell are you talking about" then "Arthur...jump."
Fun fact javier never pointed his gun towards arthur and john showing he still cared
And when you chase him down to hogtied him in rdr1, he doesn't turn to shoot at you. (It's what the other video said. Could be wrong but eh.)
You are right I tried telling him but he did not care…
@@javierescuela6329 sorry pal
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@@javierescuela6329 but why did you switch up on the gany tho bro?!?!.
Dutch's "I got a plan" speech is literally a reiterated version of what he said on the cliff by the river with Arthur when they were surrounded by the army.
"We can't fight change. We can't fight gravity.."
Even to the point where he said “we gotta stop meeting like this”. I was so shocked after playing RDR2, truly amazing
@Flicks Honestly, I'm with you on this one. But I'd rather keep it to myself, let people have their fun, and not be a prick about it.
It confuses me how many people believe they planned everything from the start when rdr1 characters don't even mention rdr2 characters like arthur, micah, sadie, hosea, pretty much the dead cast. When rdr2 was still in development too, there were even articles going like "hey, you're not gonna be playing as john marston."
But, what's amazing is how rockstar found whatever bits and pieces from rdr1 and fleshed it out to become how great rdr2 is now with all its foreshadowing and whatever details can find.
@@wilfweNightsky nobody's being a prick about it, they're just too blind on DEM GRAFFICZ and clunky gameplay to see how much RDR2 took and how much it just straight up changed/retconned from the previous entry.
The fanbase just refuses to believe that RDR2 is very flawed, and it's not only because it's a prequel. They completely butchered Marston's character so that he wouldn't steal the stoplight from Arthur, making John a complete buffoon so that Arthur can be the "man who taught him to be real man", wouldn't be the first time they used some cheap tactic to make a new character seem better. **Stares at Trevor killing Johnny Klebitz**
@@thebadwolf3088 sounds like you can't read in between the lines. But regardless, they did put in a lot of details (even unnecessary ones but people will always point things out for muh realism). And like I said, rockstar probably never planned everything from the start, so yes, they had to rewrite some things for pieces to make sense even if it was forced, especially for a relatively old game at this point.
I also get that it's kinda frustrating they turned john into such a wimp compared to how much of a badass "bounty hunter" he was in rdr1, but you overlooked that rdr2 had arcs. I think rockstar starting john as a wimp in rdr2 is a great take with him not knowing how to swim in both games(+ his simple drawings compared to arthur). We played as arthur, saw the start and the end of things. We saw sadie get revenge. And when taking back jack from bronte, he could see john realizing he has to be a better father, there are even some videos around showing him paying more attention to jack later on. If rdr2 is the fall of the gang, rdr1 is the complete end (unless rockstar plans to give jack a story).
John really grew into the man he was trying to be. The one Abigail wanted, and the one Arthur told him to be.
Red dead is the most memorable experience anyone can have by playing a videogame
fr man
It's sad to know that they all once cared for each other
I still believe in what I said
@@kadenroope-keel8587you from a different timeline?
*Time Traveler*
@@MR._BEAN35 how did you know
Actually they didn't that much
@@HatKiddyyes i do feel like arthur was the glue to it all tho he sacrificed himself in the end
The saddest part of it all: you think John was getting his “redemption” by tracking down his former brother’s in arms in order to reclaim his new life. But we never knew that the only way for John to find redemption was in his death
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Well the title is “Red Dead Redemption” so…
@@badbeardbill9956 Holy Shit I feel very stupid for not fully understanding the title till now XD
@@awsomelyrandomstuff916 the first game was red dead revolver and the main characters name was actually red
@@jackj9816 my favorite mission was the Mexican-American war mission with the cannons on both side of the river with that bridge in the middle it just was amazing to me
Javier got me so fucked up, he was such a good character in 2
“You always did think I was an idiot”
“That aint fair Bill.. we all did”
Really makes you think about how hard the gang falling apart must've been on him especially if he changed this drastically, moved to Mexico, regained an Accent be didn't have before, he never found a second life like Pearson, Trelawney, Swanson, the girls or John did, he just kinda decayed as a person
If they do remaster it I’m torn if it should be left as is or have the actors just insert a few references to Arthur.
Like when Bill confronts John for the first time
“No more Dutch… No more Morgan… and no more you. Now I’M IN CHARGE!”
No, I don’t think they should mention Arthur, but maybe Arthur’s journal is on a shelf during a cutscene or something. It would be wrong to change the story like that.
@@brandenmarcum430 I feel if they’d remaster it, it should be just that, a remaster, anything else would just make it a remake. I feel like remaster would be better off than a remake just cause I mean, we already know the whole story now from beginning to end so really there’s no reason to remake the game if rdr2 takes place prior to the events of rdr but follows rdr at the same time
@@hasaanwright4957 i agree subtle changes would cause other changes to occur causing plot holes
In that line it wouldn’t make much sense since Arthur didn’t have authority over Bill like Dutch and Hosea did
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Gta 5 made a billion in 3 days. I love RDR but there is no way in hell a remaster is making anywhere near as much as GTA 5 did, let alone surpass it.
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Dutch:I got a plan
Arthur’s ghost:OH YAY LETS JUMP OFF THIS MOUNTAIN AGAIN DUTCH!
In heaven
Dutch : hi Arthur
Arthur : hi Dutch
Dutch : i got a pl-
Arthur : well shut up and go to hell
@@johnnyvincent11 lmao
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I always think John is about to say “That ain’t fair Bill… you _were_ an idiot” 😂
The “I got a plan John” hits so hard after playing rdr2 like chills
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He always had a plan
Its just all of them werent good
"That ain't fair Bill. We all thought you was an idiot."
"I Got a Plan John"
"You allways got a Plan Dutch"
"Listen we need MONEY AND THEN WE GO TO THAHITI"
In my high school in Denmark we do a big assignment during our last year, where we choose the topic ourselves. I wrote about American self-understanding seen through the western genre. In the assignment I analyzed and interpreted RDR2 and my teachers absolutely loved it. I got a top grade because of a brilliant video game. That brings me joy
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I'd be interested in reading your work if it's in english
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“You only seemed to save yourself”
Coming from the guy who left marston to die from the train job.
what are they supposed to do jump off to?🤨
@@HelatheKoala not like they had people on horseback who could’ve taken John to safety
@@HelatheKoaladid you not play the second game
@@jaxmc3547dude probably only got to the colter train robbery
That wasn’t Bill he was with Arthur it was Javier, Dutch, and Micah that left John
The best way to understand the story is by playing RDR2 before RDR1.
Having RDR1 be the sequel and RDR2 be the prequel makes you reflect on past, present, and future.
I remember how empty and sad the game was towards the end especially when tge Buffalo started dissappearing
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They weren’t really disappearing. You actually kill them off. They don’t spawn infinitely like the other animals.
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The buffalo should have spawned like the bears do
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Bill's dialogue kinda make it seem like he wanted to be with John and Arthur in the final mission of rdr2.
Like he believes John and Arthur were saved but they didn't try to save the other who seemed like they wanted to serve Dutch for the rest of their life.
But the way Bill puts it here, with retrospective, kinda sounds like he too was doubting Dutch but just didn't want to admit it and felt betrayed when bith John and Arthur people he respected didn't even try to get him along with the plan to leave.
Same could be said with Javier as well. If you watch both Bill and Javier in the final mission of RDR2 they're both incredibly hesitant about who to side with.
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This is a hell of a realization for me. Thank you, man.
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Bill isn't bad at all. I always felt bad for him. He's misunderstood and just needs to not be put down and listened to for once
I mean yeah, it checks out. Bill Williamson has always been an immensely insecure man. He acts tough, he wants to be in on the plan, he wants to be respected, but he isn’t particularly smart, graceful, or good at anything but brute violence.
As such, he has an AWFUL time properly considering or communicating his emotions, so he mostly just ends up projecting onto others, and sinking into paranoia.
The way Bill had rationalized it, it couldn’t have been that Bill had been misled by somebody he respected into betraying those he cared about. No, there must have been SOME good reason. John was selfish! Yeah, that was it! He was selfish! He didn’t look out for anybody but himself, so I am therefore somewhat justified in mistreating him the way I did.
Dutchs hits the hardest of you understand in his final quote 😢
"You always tried to save yourself". Perfect example of the events of RDR1.
When Dutch talks about he has a plan and “This one is a good one” is a reference to when he was with Arthur and the soldiers and jumped off saying the exact same line
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I noticed that with the “we can’t fight gravity” line
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Damn you dutch
“It was an excuse, and we all knew.” John always knew Dutch was bullshitting him with the dreamer talk, and that they were always outlaws who can’t be civilized because of their greed. None of them wanted to admit they were lower than human
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Well that and rdr1 really destroys John marstons Robin Hood complex
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Except that's exactly what made them human..
This isn’t fully true. They did stuff to try and help others, it was towards the end where they went off the deep end.
John is the best, too bad everyone forgot about the OG himself.
Exactly people like Arthur because was a complex character while John was less complex but there was more to him in depth with where he stands with his personality in red dead redemption not in rdr2
If they remaster RDR1 i hope they add more depth to John
Man who knew a story so simple can caused all this to happen really to be truthful this game series helped me with a lot am not saying that I was depressed or something like that but it showed me both the beauty of the past and the rage I don't know if I can say anything other then that now am not saying there isn't a lot you could talk about but that sums it up looking back to a place you wish you could be gets you farther from it it's not wrong to want to be there but clinging on to it is what kills you
Rdr2 was probably one of the best prequels to anything ever it showed so much exposition and managed to be one of the best game I’ve ever while having to fill plotholes made by the first game
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@@nameynamename3758 Like John "forgetting" Arthur
@@toastyeditz not a plot hole he just doesnt go in to the specifics with people. he says all he needs to
rdr1 was amazing and had a deep story when it came out and i enjoyed it a lot..now that we know the backstory of all that, yes, it hits even harder..
a remake of this game would be insane..people started playing rdr1 again after finishing the second..and a remake would also be much deserved for a game like that
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Javier was a real one, he is the only one who didnt point his gun at arthur and john during the end mission of rdr2
He actually did aim at Arthur just before the pinkertons start shouting but everyone ignores it for some reason
I grew up playing rdr1 and rdrun but after rdr2 I cried 7 times at the end because of all the stuff John and jack went through.
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Arthur's story was amazing, as we see him change after he finds out his life is on its last legs, he becomes a better man overall and its emotional. But John is the more tragic character, mainly because his family was taken from him by agent Ross, he was then forced to hunt down his old associates to get them back, he was shot, lied to a lot, betrayed in Mexico which pissed me off, treated like a low life outlaw, even though he was trying to change that by working on and living at his ranch, and eventually when he is reunited with his family and kid, he gets shot dead and betrayed by agent Ross, who literally got him to do everything he did and ensured John he'd get out alive. John's story was definitely the saddest story overall. The rdr2 epilogue made his story even more emotional.
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Saddest part of all, it was all for nothing as even though John sacrificed himself to save his family (more specifically Jack) from his past sins, Jack would fall into the outlaw life by exacting retribution on Agent Ross and become a killer like his father.
@@cristianlopez_8486 And all those years ago Arthur constantly talked about revenge being foolish and pointless. That wisdom really hits home with the events of the first game.
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This neads to be remade
Yes it does and maybe have a little hits to Arthur if that Makes sense at all.
@@hazzard625 just a few small ones would be nice
But instead they remaster gta 5 again☠️
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If Javier wasn't an Antagonist in RDR1, Im sure He was gonna be Arthurs side.
“You know that life we lived is over and when we was livin it, it didn’t mean nothing anyway it was just an excuse and we all knew” that quote hit hard after playing the second game
“When I’m gone, they’ll just find another monster; they have to…”
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"Because they have to justify their wages."
@@Warlords901 "Our time has passed, John."
"trust me, it looks better in the report"
-Edgar 'piece of shit' Ross
Its so crazy how sour Javier turned after the events of RDR2. He was probably one of the nicer people to talk to in camp, and one of my favorites to go on missions with because I felt like I actually enjoyed his company and he actually cared about Arthur, John, and the others. For the most part, he was right up there with Charles for me, and thats saying something. And afterwards he turned into this sack of shit 🤣
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I really can't blame him, I mean...just picture everything he went thru, he pretty much lost his entire family and ended up alone
Yeh, rockstar really did a good job of getting us attached to the characters
Playing it again after rdr 2 I really didn’t want to kill bill. Knowing he won’t back down because he’s too dumb but still loving him because we saw he was loyal and had a good heart just like Arthur. Only difference was Arthur was smarter and wasn’t blinded by his loyalty
"Twin Cabins" - Swing Lynn...
Strangely fitting xD
Holy shit thank you
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Honestly, Javier is the one former gang member I feel bad for in Red Dead Redemption. He didn’t really have anything to do with John getting betrayed, he was just doing what he thought was best, even fled to Mexico to get away from everything.
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@@khalilgamingstudio hey man what the song?
Javier is definitely the saddest to see. Just feels like he fell the hardest out of the 3. In 2 he seems so young and caring and just full of life. I kind of wish they gave more of a reason to his siding with Dutch though. Bill I always understood but Javier felt like he should have seen what was going on
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By far my favorite prequel! Possibly for more than just video games
"I'll jump of this mountain and escape,John."
"You'll die, Dutch."
"DOUBTERS AND TRAITORS EVERYWHERE! THE PLAN, JOHN, TRUST THE PLAN!"
"This is a good one" that hit me
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All those years I thought he was talking about the pistol lmao knowing he was talking a out the plan hits hard.
Same 😢
If someone wants a song title its "Swing Lynn" by Harmless.
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By Harmless, not Heartless. And it's a slow version of Swing Lynn.
@@khalilgamingstudio No respect...
@@earomc youre right, sorry damn autocorrect.
@@khalilgamingstudio I don't a song is an opinion tbh
Dutch always has a plan but nobody has enough god damn faith
man i wish none of the gang died
Buld forgot Micah
I hope they remaster rdr1
I’d same remake over remaster, imagine rdr1 but you can go through all of rdr2 with some extra missions in other places like more bounty hunting with Sadie and stuff
@@georggggggge Yeah but it wouldn't really make any sense, Sadie said she was moving to South America at the end of rdr2. Also I feel like it would kind of ruin thr flow of rdr1. I do think it would be cool if they remade it and added some lines that mentioned Arthur and other events from rdr2.
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Dutch came full circle and was humble enough to admit it before diving into darkness.
Dutch saying i got a plan literally had me rolling my eyes halfway through RDR2. Yeah dude you always have plans. Theyre just really bad ones
"NOISE, ORTHOR!"
I remember the first time I had played rdr2 I really thought John was the rat because of how the first game is until I found it it was micah I was stunned
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*Ikr because he never speak that much in the earlier missions*
Still a third part of the story left and John fucked off for a year. Micah is 110% a rat but there's gonna be a twist, we only have 2 games with still so many questions and characters that we haven't seen properly and obviously the Blackwater job.
@@sd616uk8 right, we haven’t seen relations with characters like Mac and Davey because they died without us knowing them at all. So who knew what was going on with them. and then the blackwater heist, so much we don’t know, where did Dutch hide the money, how did he get it back to beaver hollow? Was it ever REALLY stashed and left behind in Blackwater? Or did Dutch lie and have Micah bug him about going back to make everyone think it was still there? And why did Dutch kill that girl during the blackwater job???
“You keep riding and don’t look back”
I actually gonna get rdr 1 and know I am about to finish rdr2
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Javier also saved John in RDR: 2 with Arthur.
@@CR7GOATofFootball That was at the beginning when they were in Colter. Way before Javier changed his ways and became an asshole.
And Charles, those 3 were always loyal
The sad thing is that Charles and Saddie were new in the gang (Charles like 6 month but still), and the other ones being there for much longer weren't as loyal as them
@@LeonColvet Javier wasnt there long either I dont think. He just fell more towards loyalty to Dutch than the gang as a whole.
Bill is the saddest one. He just wanted a friend who would fully trust him
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I bet this hits John hard asf, ik he probably hates them, but imagine tracking down or killin a old former gang member that was considered as family one point. John probably finds it annoying but I’m just saying it’s pretty sad.
"I got a plan a good one" just hit different for some reason
"This is a good one"
The only real plan Dutch seemed to have between both games. And he was right. It WAS a good one in a sense. He threw down his weapon, stopped running, and took the only way out that would let him die a free man
He had some humility in the end
Wait... I tought he was saying like "this is a good joke" refering to what John said. I never thing he had said "this is a good plan".
Thank for have made me think
John is honestly the best character in RDR
@eliott hagenbarth that’s your opinion I like Hosea but I was mainly talking about playable characters John honestly had the best story out of everyone
@@subpain4257 well if the majority of people like author better than the story is better, but I like johns story more.
Yeah he is they messed him up real bad in the epilogue as arthur you see he has the hairstyle for rdr1 and his neck was smaller and he had his own body type but in epilogue he has arthur body shape and size and his hair is not the same and his facial hair is bleached
@@subpain4257 you don’t like arthur?
@eliott hagenbarth Then you haven't played RDR1
“You always got a plan”
The devs probably took that to heart when they made RDR2
as a kid I would never think that replaying RD1 would have a whole new meaning one day
Me in the Start of Rdr2: HAHAHA REAPETER GO PEW
Me nearly at the End: *Fills the entire World with Tears*
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This made me sad on a whole different level, John was so close to escaping this life and everyone he cared for paid some price in the end
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John is one of the smartest people in the rdr universe aside from Dutch despite everyone calling him an idiot, he knew how it would end, and he had a chance to escape with his life, he could have ran out of the back of the barn or taken them all down but he wanted it to end that way, he succeeded in his redemption because his redemption wasn't death, it was saving his family and he did just that and even with 60 holes in him, his lungs filling with blood, his life ending as he fell to his knees, he held on, he held on to look his killer in the eye and let him know that even though he's dead, he still won
Hits even harder after you replay rdr2 again after beating rdr1
This game needs a remake with some added dialogue that hints RDR2 storyline
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@@ASLostStar OOOOOOHHHH. oops. lol 😅
@@ASLostStar doesn’t make it less annoying
“I got a plan John.”
“You always got a plan a Dutch.”
“This is a good one.”
Yea we watched it
@@HermaeusMoron Hold up, this is new to me... I think the man is on to something
"I got a plan John.....This is a good one." There is so much in that one line. God damn it 😢
idk how these qoutes hit hard YET, but ill figure out soon when im done with rdr2.
im on chapter 3 if anyone curious.
I gOt A pLaN- Dutch
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You always got a plan Dutch
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@@rk800prototype5 This is a good one
To be honest, I feel really sorry for Javier. Somehow he became my favourite character... His appearance, his songs, his confusion in the final standoff between Dutch and Arthur - it all came together. If only he saw what Micah did to Grimshaw...
Rockstar likes to give the player only an illusion of a choice, my mexican boe is gonna be dead regardless of your actions :(
cause john has a job. he doesn't like it but at the end of the day he'll do it for his family. you HAVE no choice
I remember playing and beating the first red dead redemption back in late 2011 the ending really hit hard I'm hapy we got te see more backstory in the second