@@Skullair313You can get the same artisanal experience much more cheaply by just purchasing some surplus weather balloons and rising yourself into the ionosphere. Less environmental impact, too.
The thing that radicalized me on Everest was watching an IMAX movie that made a huge deal out of one guy’s trip up the mountain and then ended with a five second black screen with white text that said “Thanks to the 20 sherpas who hauled our enormous IMAX camera to the top of the tallest mountain in the world”.
My sister was briefly into a reality show about people climbing Everest and to their credit the people on the show praised the Sherpas, one of whom was making his 20th trip to the top like it was nothing.
Shoutout to Devon at 1:35:00 with "The problem with being at the top of the mountain is that's where there's the least mountain to be on and the most down to fall". Poetry
Shoutout out to the microcenter employee I heard evangelizing this podcast to a customer who kept trying to politely redirect the conversation to “where could I find the raspberry pis?” That’s how you get 100k baby.
Nice! Glad it wasn't me. I have plot armor for that stuff. I call it short-term memory loss... 5 minutes out the door and I won't remember that I stopped @ microcenter 😂.
@@Crazyfrog41 hand to god, I wrote it before watching, and as a joke. Happy to see Rocz lean into it, tho. And I agree, they should get a cog railway or funicular up there. Make it so accessible that it retroactively devalues the bragging rights of orthodontists everywhere
Growing up, a local guy came to my school to give a speech because he was trying to be the oldest Canadian to summit Mt. Everest at age 63. He told us with a slideshow about other mountains he'd climbed, his training regimen, how big of a challenge it was, etc. He died of cardiac arrest before he could leave the base camp. My school said nothing about it, I only learned by watching the news with my parents RIP Dr. Egan, the big mountain doesn't want us there
I was worried this was going to be about Mr. Hainer, the teacher at my Canadian high school who was up to that same shit. Hainer once forgot his wife in a gas station bathroom while driving from Saskatoon to Calgary and the only thing I could picture, thinking of him on Everest, was him coming down all alone and someone asking him where the rest of his team went. "Oh, hell! Where did I last see them?"
@@williamchamberlain2263 man, you joke... lemme tell you a story: we had a day one/day two class schedule in my high school. The morning break was right before our 10:40 am biology class with Mr. Hainer. A buddy of mine snuck into his classroom and turned his daytimer one day ahead so it was on a "day two", on which he did not have a biology class at 10:40. The guy came back from break, looked at his daytimer after teaching "day one" classes all morning, saw a "day two" day in the book and left, convinced he did not have a class to teach. Another friend of mine, who was in that class, ran into him in the library. "Don't you have somewhere to be right now?" she asked him. "No," he said. "Do you?" This is him at close to sea level, on a good day.
Death zone is just a made up scary name to keep normies away. And low oxygen levels don’t mean anything to me, I have the power of holistic mind over matter endurance. I can do naked yoga up there for 3 weeks straight. The only thing I need to keep me going is the thought that I’m a beautiful unique child of stardust and astral magic Please fund my next expedition.
I'll be honest, there's something very visually appealing about the original BIG DEADLY, had the look of like a really cool travel poster but for psychopaths
@@ferky123 The Empire are space Skaven; they worship technology they don't understand, breed in uncountable numbers in the unending squalor of Hive planets, and care nothing for the lives of their fellows. Twelve High Lords and One Emperor? The Thirteen bells ring true...
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I've been following this since the Sampoong disaster, so if this ever becomes an MLM, I should be pretty high on the pyramid. However, the only things I need from the podcast are the only ones I already get. Educational entertainment with occasional actionable threats, beeps, and the possibility to enjoy again while reading Devon's comments. My elevator pitch for this podcast is the Middle East Infrastructure Projects episode, particularly the news segment "Oy Vey". Liam, that was a mechaieh.
After comments about *Roz* drinking too much and after *Alice* makes actionable threats that need to be bleeped. Everything is switched up in this one.
Mate of mine walked to Everest base camp(just in some wools the absolute mad lad) on a whim when he was in Nepal like, he tried to smoke a fag when he got there and had to spend 2 hours lying down after a single drag, just catching his breath, he gave the rest of the deck to a local who was appreciative.
I lost my shit at the "my wife, my wife" said in the voice of an airplane's "pull up, pull up" alarm. If you do that episode some day you have to include that bit.
That is WILD to think about! Humans are just not mentally equipped to think about time scales like these... Much less me, who sometimes struggles with time scales on the order of one week... Damn ADD. XD
I was curious and googled First Trans person to climb Everest, and while she didn't summit, Jan Morris was a member of the 1953 expedition as a Journalist. She started her transition 1964. After her bottom surgery she was forced to divorce her wife, but they stayed together until 2008, where she was able to have a civil partnership.
Recently finished her memoir, Conundrum - of which it's not an exaggeration to say that it's quintessential trans memoir - and was surprised that she didn't get a mention in this video!
As a disabled person I 100 % agree with the points raised by Alice about disablities and people doing extreme stuff (like climbing the everest): most of the time it has nothing to do with the disability. It's about attention. People, both abled-bodied and disabled alike, love inspiration porn, so this shit sells. The doc mention by rob is a prime example of this. Discovery is not funding these kinds of stunts because they're trying to make some kind of a point or educate people about disablities, they're doing it because they know it sells. It's nothing more than a stupider version of the instagram post of a dude with 1 arm lifting a weight with something like 'What's your excuse?!?' plastered on top of it. It's dumb. Ultimately it comes down to this in my opinion: unless you're a mountaneering kinda guy who's like felt the fucking calling of the rock piles since early childhood and practiced and devoted oneself to the craft who wants to do this shit for real and not on a tourist-trip, there's nothing achievement-like in getting one's ass hauled to the top of this tourist destination by other people who're risking their lives to make it easy for you. Phsically it's a challenge for sure, but there are 7 million different ways of challenging oneself physically that are not stupid and don't involve risking other people and the nature around you. So let's all agree that we should leave the big deadly rocks to guys who've been doing this shit since their teens and let's find less deadly and irresponsible ways of challenging and improving ourselves. Thanks for a solid episode once again. Peace the fuck out!
It’s important that we know our limits. I know for sure I’d NEVER make it to just base camp because of my disability. If I tried to actually climb any mountain, especially Everest, I’d be putting not only myself in danger but the other people around me. The people who climb with no experience, like that one lady, it’s very hard to find sympathy for them when they die. And if you aren’t capable of bringing your own trash back down with you, you shouldn’t be climbing. Disability or not.
If you're wheelchair bound or whatever, couldn't you do the same kind of strenuous thing by, like, driving yourself to the top of Pike's Peak in the winter and then just sitting outside for a few hours? "Stoicism" is all the rage these days...
I'm a big fan of the cave enthusiasts or divers who SPECIFICALLY know their hobby is dangerous and tell others: "Don't look for my body when I go missing" because of how many folks can actually die trying to do search and rescue :C
@@Beelzebubby91 You and me both! I know that because of my chronic illnesses/invisible disabilities that I am not cut out for *anything* happening at high altitudes. Hell, when I was 25 yrs younger and healthier just strolling around downtown Banff left me dizzy and out of breath from the altitude! If I ever feel like I've got anything to prove, I'll be doing it at sea level. And I'll be doing it in a field that I'm experienced in, like painting or theatre. Neither of which are known to usually leave frozen corpses on mountains, if done well.
The Himalayas come up in Lovecraft’s works at least twice. They’re mentioned as a point of reference for the height of the titular range in _At the Mountains of Madness,_ and brought up as one of the homes of the Mi-Go in _The Whisperer in Darkness._
Turns out that having prolonged lack of access to adequate oxygen *can* permanetly damage your brain! Who knew?? *clears throat in long covid awareness*
@@joshuahadamsLovecraft even equates the Mi-Go with the yeti ( མི་རྒོད - romanized as Mi-Go/Migou/mi rgod/Migö/Mirgö - from the Tibetan for "wild man").
@@robertborland5083 I forgot about the way Tibetan looks when you transliterate it. Yeti is derived from “གཡའ་དྲེད” which is transliterated as “Gya’dred” following Wylie, who went for a direct transfer of written Tibetan, rather than spoken Tibetan.
i have a few fun facts for this one: one is that people in high altitudes are genuinely one of the only human populations to have evolved in any kind of genetically significant way to their surroundings. this is partially because mountains are the one enviroment we cant just technology our way out of. same goes for vitamin d, which is why we have different skin tones. moreover each population in high altitudes have evolved *different* adapations to it. i wont go too into it but its pretty cool. so shoutout to the ethiopians, andeans and nepalese for being genetically distinct. second thing is that mt everest is *sacred* to a lot of the people around it and i think a lot of the orthodontists and tourists forget that. the tourism genuinely makes me sick bc this isnt just a mountain to the sherpas who risk their lives for these people. everest is the equivilant of a cathedral and the disrespect that foreigners give it is just disgusting. my last bit is about the cowboy hats and nepalese/tibetan drip. the cowboy hats are beloved by them bc the UV rays that high up are *brutal* and the brim helps keep some snow/rain off too! a very helpful hat that they have shamelessly stolen. also the robes they wear are quite well designed. the basic shape is the same of a kimono, just a big thick bathrobe. the weathers shifts fast and drastic so if it gets too warm they can just take the sleeves off and let it hang. the inside chest area also acts as an extra pocket for goods or sometimes even a whole kid. theyre really comfy. the versions worn in lhasa by the city folk are all silk and fancy, but the rural ones are fur and practical. thank you for coming to fun fact corner
It's got me thinking about whether the UV is the reason that e.g. some autistic people find fluorescent lights painful even when they're not the flickery type. There's other skin/gut/sensory sensitivities associated with the condition and others like it, so a stronger irritant response to whatever UV gets past the phosphors and quartz glass may be a thing. (They use strong UVC to work, and recent events like the Bored Ape Yacht Club rave have shown that the effect can be a lot worse than, say, just going out in the sun)
@@tahrey Very interesting idea! Being on the spectrum myself (the autistic spectrum, not the UV spectrum), I am indeed highly sensitive to both fluorescent lights and sunlight. The fluorescents trigger migraines, and I burn terribly in the sun, a condition I'd always attributed to being half-Irish and having the freckly pallor that goes with it. But the UV hypothesis would explain why my eyes are so light sensitive as well, and why my sunburns often feel far worse than they look. (Please don't ask about the time I fell asleep on the beach, on my stomach, and had somehow forgotten to put sunblock on the backs of my thighs and the wee bit of butt that my swimsuit didn't cover. It was *bad.*) An interesting thing to note is that the black lights from my days of spending too much time in smoky, noisy, stinky goth clubs never really bothered me. Could it just be certain parts of the UV spectrum that are the problem? Was I too drunk to notice? It's all very interesting, anyway.
I vaguely remember some theory that Tibetan plateau area people got altitude adaptations from gene-mixing with the Denisovans. This is also cool. Skin colour though I will maintain coolness from sexual selection as well as an adaptation because it's just not necessary for some of us to be so pasty. Oh and we've also evolved the ability to digest milk in multiple populations and eat more starch. X
It’s like I used to be during my heavily addicted to opiate days! Sure, it ruined my life, killed most of my friends and nearly me… but boy did that stuff make you able to last! 😅😥🥺😖 (I’m in a gallows-humor mood, don’t mind me)
Absentmindedly realized today - Have y'all thought about doing an ep on Action Park? I know it's been covered by a couple of documentaries and people might already know about it, but... shit's wild. Good dynamics with Liam (it's very anarchist and cool but it also killed kids) and probably Alice (if she doesn't know about it, shit's absolutely unhinged). Also, good opportunity for illustrating why you need to hire engineers. I'd also like to hear more about the actual awful designs of rides if schematics or diagrams actually exist. 12/20/22 Edit: As a bonus, it'd turn the intro into an excellent pun. A podcast about engineering disasters with slides.
Let's have a bunch of drunk teenagers keep an eye on these DIY deathtrap rides and see what happens! I was not surprised to see that the guys from Jackass made a fictional homage to it called Action Point.
fun fact about nepalese politics: nepal is home to the only nationally represented jucheist party outside the dprk (it holds one seat in the lower chamber of the nepalese parliament)
Woah. I’d be so curious to see an ideology like that as propounded by people from a distant, unconnected part of the world. Is it as authoritarian a form of Marxism as it is in North Korea, with a ln emphasis on a strong leader? Do they have their _own_ “strong leader” or do they pay at least lip service to the Kim dynasty? Or have they perhaps de-emphasized that…
@@joearnold6881 Jucheism is fundamentally about complete independence (somewhat ironic in NK's case). Basically the ideal is to need no imports or exports. Complete autarky in economic, military and political terms. So...hyperisolationist marxism-flavored nationalism.
I have spent years waiting for Alice to get her CZcams plaque and I am 100% here for this. Shoutout to the Activate Windows logo as the unsung hero of this podcast. Edit. Devon the tubthumping joke was exquisite.
The story of Crown Prince Dipendra (wasn't just 'one of the kids', it was literally the guy standing to inherit the throne) going postal on the Nepalese royal family (I believe ten died in total, including him) is one of the wildest stories in recent history. No-one's even sure what precipitated it; all we know is that he was in charge of palace security arrangements that night, and for whatever reason, by the end of the evening, he, the king and queen, two of his siblings, and a gaggle of his aunts and uncles were dead. Or, well, Dipendra survived in a coma for three days, during which he, being the Crown Prince, was declared king upon his father's death... before dying himself, and the crown passing to his surviving uncle, who ended up being Nepal's last king.
@@alexhajnal107 Yes, yes he is. Though you have to give credit where it's due, Hugo Boss did some pretty spiffy design work, even though it was for terrible people.
There is an SCP entry on Mount Everest, or rather, the entity that manifests there to lure climbers to their doom so that it can rule over their corpses as a king of death. I'm sure that's not a commentary on anything.
Congrats on 100k! I tried recommending you to my friend and she said 'podcasts are just people talking' and I said 'but it has slides'. The slides, tragically, did not change her mind.
Yes, Mallory had supplemental oxygen on the summit attempt he died on. Where those used bottles have been found and what was known about the caching plan is part of the mystery of whether they could have summitted or not. There is no KNOWN evidence they summitted, and SOME circumstantial evidence supporting a successful summit; but MORE circumstantial evidence suggesting they probably turned around before summitting and died trying to return to camp after dark.
I once watched enough mountaineering content on youtube to find this sub basement of 100 view videos about how the chinese found evidence of and covered up Mallory and Irvings' successful summit. But seriously, bad weather, hilary step still to climb, the fact they both died. Makes me feel they probably didn't.
I'll take the 200,000 furtenbach adventures signature package. The one where you get taken up in a pressurized sedan chair! WHERES MY HOT CHOCOLATE, I SAID HOT CHOCOLATE DAMNIT! DOESNT THIS RIDE GO FASTER...
I think they found evidence that the rope that was tied around their waists snapped. It was a documentary either on disney or amazon but I could be mixing the people up with someone else.
Engineering isn't just about building bridges and buildings; it's designing any technology that humans use and standardized procedures we use to do things and make things. So yes--Everest disasters count as engineering disasters, because things were poorly planned, equipment was inadequate, and things went wrong. Pretty simple. So I'm not complaining. And you do deserve those 100k subscribers. You produce good, interesting content.
Gods the segment about rolling stuff down the slopes at Camp 3 almost killed me. Much like the caves, the mountain is not a place for you, do not go there. You will die. I will not, I am built different and that different is looking at the mountain from a distance and saying "cool."
I start to feel the pressure differential in my ears going up the highway in the bottom edge of the Canadian Shield in the car, I'm not going anywhere where the breathing precautions are anything more than a scarf in the winter. I don't have Rocz's fear of heights, but I do have what I think is a very reasonable fear of *depths*.
@@maybemablemaples2144 It probably helps that it's the road to our family's cottage, and I've been going along that way since I was old enough to get through the drive.
czcams.com/video/4odDLDooTgs/video.html Just calling it out, they (Mallory and Irvine) were using supplementary oxygen. It's probably why Mallory chose Irvine as his climbing partner, since Irvine knew how to work with the oxygen system. Using supplemental oxygen for high altitude climbing was tested (probably for the first time) during the 1922 Everest expedition.
@1:55:00 When all earthly sight has permanently left your body, your friend in the lonely darkness is the Activate Windows logo. Or maybe it isn't really there anymore and only its screen-burn in truly remains. You'll never know for sure.
I'm sorry, but any form of mountaineering competition ("I want to be the only one on this tall mountain!") means I will not mourn you. But if tourist mountaineering is acceptable, I recommend Pikes Peak (14,000 ft/4300 m) in Colorado, USA. You can drive up the slow way (and have to take a break so your brakes don't burn out) and acclimate, or TAKE THE COGRAIL TRAIN! You can get OFF the cograil train and climb up the rest of the way! You can be lazy and ride the train all the way up! You will start getting oxygen sickness after about 15 minutes at the top. You have that amount of time to shop at the gift shop, buy donuts, buy oxygen canisters! You can stay and climb down on your own! Or just RIDE THE COGRAIL DOWN! The view is pretty amazing and supposedly inspired the song, America The Beautiful. The last time I was there, a blizzard started in the last few minutes and got really bad , super quick. Guess what. Hopping on the COGRAIL TRAIN took us completely out of danger superfast! The snow stopped below a certain elevation. It was sunny down below! This is a very short ride and a good way to figure out to discover your physical limitations on oxygen. Good hiking!
Congrats on the plaque. For the next one, you might have to change the format a little bit. Have you guys thought about having Liam do makeup tutorials, Justin doing Roblox streams and Alice horribly pranking her husband? That's what gives numbers!
Been here for 4 years of subscribing, nearly 150 episodes plus bonuses, three live shows, incalculable hours of my life spent on this show and the extended podcast universe. Congratulations on hitting 100k, guys. Yay Justin, Yay Alice, Yay Liam, Yay Devon, and Yay many guests.
I've been to the top of a mountain three times back when I was younger and it was pretty awesome! None of them were high enough to have snow on the top but they were high enough that the trees stopped growing that high. It was still a big physical endeavor and the view was still fantastic! You don't need to go up the highest mountain in the world to get the satisfaction of having been to the top of a mountain. Hell, I've been to the top of some local hills and it's still pretty awesome and the view is nice. I do agree that the reason you go to the top of anything is to see what it's like and the point of walking down any path is to see where it goes and what's there. That makes lots of sense. The thing is that going down any path you've never been down before provides that kind of adventure because of the curiosity you'll have about what's over that way. You can literally go anywhere you haven't been before and have this experience and even walking at different times of the year can provide a new adventure down a path you have already hiked on. I think the adventures that most people are likely to miss are the ones that may be even within walking distance of where they live. I know I've found quite a few such adventures like that and I've been finding new ones for at least 30 years. Even a small patch of wilderness in on the outskirts of the city can provide such adventure so don't waste a fortune just to find yourself, yes, in the middle of the wilderness, but with a bunch of stupid, pretentious yuppies waiting for them to hike their incompetent asses to the summit so you can have your turn. That line to the summit takes away what nature is supposed to give you, which is solitude in a beautiful place and maybe a nice place to smoke a joint. With that kind of Everest experience, you get the beautiful place and you'd probably get in trouble for smoking a joint up there. Believe me, you can definitely have a better wilderness experience probably not far from where you live so go do that and forget Everest. I did see the documentary called Sherpa and that is when I decided that no matter how curious I am to see the full 360 view at the top of Everest, I will never go even if I did end up with enough money and even if I could go up there without 100s of other idiots and even if I could smoke a joint and even if I wasn't old with painful masses on the bottoms of my feet so I probably can't walk that far. I wouldn't ask the Sherpas to risk their lives because I'm curious and it wouldn't matter how much money I could give them to do it. I would love to go look at the mountain from the bottom so if I ever did get anywhere near it, I'd make sure to come up with like $1,000,000 per Sherpa to take me just to where I could see it from the bottom but that will never happen. Interestingly, I actually happened to meet a couple of Sherpas who had come to the US for a vacation while I was playing music downtown since I discovered that if you go practice downtown, sometimes people give you money, so it makes sense to practice there since you're going to practice anyway. A couple of Sherpas came and gave me a $100 bill! Naturally, I thought they had meant to give me a $1 bill so I said something to them but they had meant that big bill. We ended up chatting some and, as it so happens, I have a song that is a Buddhist mantra and so we all sang together some too. Of course, I asked them all about their country and what the mountain was like, plus I told them what the tops of some of the mountains here were like. They were really nice people and, as with all people, deserve to be treated with respect and not treated as subordinates to rich people. I did get the feeling that they enjoyed being the rich people in our interaction though. lol I didn't even tell them how badly I needed to get a few dollars that night either so they helped me in a HUGE way!
Your interaction with the Sherpas sounds just delightful, I'm very happy for you experiencing that! And you're totally right, there's beautiful nature everywhere. You just need to care to look and maybe walk a bit. Smoking joints in the wilderness is also always a good time, I recommend it as well!
1:43:10 my glacial geology professor told us a story of some researcher falling into the crevasse and came out the bottom of the glacier 20 years later and that's how they learned how glaciers move.
In the MRI picture they’ve already taken off the part of the skull on the right (decompressive craniectomy) to help with the swelling which is why the brain is going there. Otherwise the brain goes down through the base which is even worse.
Nothing like being on CZcams out of boredom, seeing the new episode notification and having the time to watch it right away. Also, I liked the Big Deadly.
yessss. another one that makes me face the horrible decision of watching now or saving for thanksgiving travels. i think i will save it, since i got amtrak tickets and know im not driving now. there's no praxis like consuming WTYP on a train.
When I was 19ish I lived in a tiny apartment complex with a huge Nepalese family. Two of the guys were Sherpa and have summited Everest multiple times. They chain smoked like crazy.
The bodies stay up there in part bc the Sherpa's religion forbids them from touching the bodies and in part bc it's hard to get bodies down from up there. There was an expedition to bury Green Boots (believed to be an Indian climber) in stones in 2017 and they tried to get an Irish climber's body buried as well, he was hanging off a line off the side of the edge, but he was frozen and it was unsafe and one of them already had frostbite from burying green boots.
this podcast would be so much better without liam smh now that I have your attention, if you don't want to go for closed back headphones, go for affordable (under 150) iems, some of them are stupid good. also love you liam
Cheap IEMs sound great but you have got to frequently clean them, acne in your ears is absurdly painful. If you can, get ones with stainless steel or aluminum casings. they seem to be a bit better than the plastic ones in the hygiene department
I still can't beleive how good bose noise canceling is on professional flight headsets. One second you're yelling like it's Vietnam and you're in the thick of it trying to shout commands over mortar fire. Then you put the headset on and it's like the intro music to Bambi starts playing. Just pure serenity! I haven't heard other brands, but removing the sound of a prop from a prop plane is magic!
when i got dive training they did an exercise to give you a numerical guage for how badly you function in non-ideal climates. what they do is at the surface of the water they make you write on a plastic tablet with water resistant chalk backwards from 100 by 3's (100, 97, 94, 91, 88). you go "oh surely they don't mean all of the way" but because the skill they are teaching you can be the only thing that prevents someone from dying one day they absolutely do mean count from 100 to 0 while people watch, judge & time you. then you go 100 feet down, hang out for a minute to let your body temp plumet down to what the water is down there, and then they have you do the exact same exercise again. got the same results for everyone in the group. takes a little less than a minute on the surface, then just from lowering your body temperature slightly it takes like 3 to 5 minutes not gonna catch my ass on mt everest, i know what *a little bit* of cold *for a few minutes* does to a mf'er and a lot of people go "oh well im built different, couldn't be me", but even if that's true (which it isnt), consider this; you are attached to a line of 100 people, and every person there is operating at 10% mental efficiency AT BEST. picture the most useless customer service help you've ever recieved in your life from the most incurious, lazy & impatient person who's ever "helped" you. now picture their daddy wins the lottery & sends them to mt everest, and they're the jackass next to you in line. now make them effectively drunk off their ass from inclement climate exposure (bc that's basically what it does, it makes you drunk), & ask yourself, would you bet your life on that person's ability to tie a knot? cuz i fucking wouldn't
i dont think the oxygen masks are the problem here (or are cheating) its using sherpas to carry all your shit and do a ton of the work for you, i think if everyone had to climb it themselves without the help of severely underpaid servants it would lead to a LOT less people attempting to climb everest. even with an oxygen mask you would need to be expirienced and put in a crazy amount of work its still an insane feat to pull off.
While that may still be true, "tree" is purely a morphological distinction: trees are not a species or a group of species, they do not have a single common ancestor (besides, I suppose, the common ancestor of all plants). Like how many species have evolved to resemble crabs, many kinds of plant have eventually evolved into trees.
Reinhold Messner is actually technically Italian, because he was born in and lived in South Tyrol - he was also a Green MEP for north-east Italy between 1999 and 2004.
It took me into my thirties to understand that mountaineering is not and I quote (myself) "just walking". I was like "Yeah avalanches and low oxygen and stuff, and freezing to death" but somehow I had managed to not get that rock climbing and such were... part of mountain climbing. To be fair I am from New England and this is not a land that does sheer rock faces. But also, you know what I want? I want an account from a Sherpa guide on their ascents of Everest. I feel like that would be a much more interesting narrative about Everest than like the "CHALLENGE OF A LIFE TIME" stuff from the guys paying them. A few like record breaking guys have written books, but I'd like... a work a day guy writing about it.
There was, ages ago, some reality show about people climbing Everest and to its credit it did focus on the Sherpas quite a bit and one of them was making a record breaking 20th trip to the top.
I know I already commented, but the amount of humour and information Devon peppers in is incredible. Truly elevating the pod to the incredible heights of the Death Zone. I do wish there was the hitscan sound on every comment but I also know I should just pay closer attention.
To its credit, Mt. Everest is pretty rigid and has never fallen over
It‘s rigid.
And something with sediments.
Not yet
MAKE IT MORE RIGID
It’s one of the few things on this podcast (with slides) that we can look at a picture of and say “actually, it *IS* supposed to look like that”
it's all white, stupid heavy, useless, gigantic, assymetrical...are we sure it wasn't made by Calatrava ?
Why pay tens of thousands of dollars to die of hypoxia when I could simply go outside and try to climb a hill with a plastic bag on my head?
"We have hypoxia at home."
It's not the same as artisanal hypoxia, because you have carbon dioxide poisoning blended in with the plastic bag method.
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@@Skullair313You can get the same artisanal experience much more cheaply by just purchasing some surplus weather balloons and rising yourself into the ionosphere. Less environmental impact, too.
@@Whammytapsuicide by weather balloon, everyone's favorite method
The thing that radicalized me on Everest was watching an IMAX movie that made a huge deal out of one guy’s trip up the mountain and then ended with a five second black screen with white text that said “Thanks to the 20 sherpas who hauled our enormous IMAX camera to the top of the tallest mountain in the world”.
My sister was briefly into a reality show about people climbing Everest and to their credit the people on the show praised the Sherpas, one of whom was making his 20th trip to the top like it was nothing.
it's like finding out exactly how big the bear grylls team was when you thought it was like 3 people
In fairly short succession I watched one of those and then the excellent documentary Sherpa. Totally made me hate the flashy documentaries forever.
I remember that one but I think I was like 5 years old when I saw it so the context was lost on me
That IMAX movie was filmed literally days after the 1996 Everest disaster. The IMAX team even contributed some of their oxygen to the rescue effort.
Shoutout to Devon at 1:35:00 with "The problem with being at the top of the mountain is that's where there's the least mountain to be on and the most down to fall". Poetry
Pure brilliance in this statement xD
Yeah that's now a fav quote 🎉
The people at the top have the furthest to fall 😊
wanna say this ominously to a rival lmao
Up there with "dudes doing dude stuff, and that's okay" when describing whipping each other to cure frostbite
Shoutout out to the microcenter employee I heard evangelizing this podcast to a customer who kept trying to politely redirect the conversation to “where could I find the raspberry pis?” That’s how you get 100k baby.
"Yeah, um, sorry, I just need to grab some raspberry pis for my custom home theater project -"
"Well, we'll get to that!"
lmao
Nice! Glad it wasn't me. I have plot armor for that stuff.
I call it short-term memory loss... 5 minutes out the door and I won't remember that I stopped @ microcenter 😂.
I'm a PSO and I'm always reccomending this podcast to my clients.
This comment got so much funnier when I thought someone was asking for raspberry piss, not pis 😂
Unironically, "Big Deadly" is perfect to slap onto a picture of Mount Everest. Shouldn't have changed it.
I didn't question it at all in the beginning
@@usecode___7453 lol, yeah. Saw it and was like, "Yep, that checks out."
I thought that was perfect.
Descriptive and full of WTYP energy.
It actually used to say "Big Deadlyland", but the last part of the sign fell over.
Agreed. "Big Deadly" works fine on its own.
Before pressing play, let me guess: the issue with Everest is the lack of good rail infrastructure at the summit
Surprisingly accurate guess...
Just build the cog railway
@@Crazyfrog41 hand to god, I wrote it before watching, and as a joke. Happy to see Rocz lean into it, tho. And I agree, they should get a cog railway or funicular up there. Make it so accessible that it retroactively devalues the bragging rights of orthodontists everywhere
@@ferchrissakesWell admittedy, it originally was "Good Rail Infrastructure Land" ...
Mont Blanc is light-years ahead.
Growing up, a local guy came to my school to give a speech because he was trying to be the oldest Canadian to summit Mt. Everest at age 63. He told us with a slideshow about other mountains he'd climbed, his training regimen, how big of a challenge it was, etc.
He died of cardiac arrest before he could leave the base camp.
My school said nothing about it, I only learned by watching the news with my parents
RIP Dr. Egan, the big mountain doesn't want us there
I was worried this was going to be about Mr. Hainer, the teacher at my Canadian high school who was up to that same shit. Hainer once forgot his wife in a gas station bathroom while driving from Saskatoon to Calgary and the only thing I could picture, thinking of him on Everest, was him coming down all alone and someone asking him where the rest of his team went. "Oh, hell! Where did I last see them?"
@@GayleenFroeseor he's the oldest guy to summit without oxygen, because he forgot to pick up his canisters.
@@williamchamberlain2263 man, you joke... lemme tell you a story: we had a day one/day two class schedule in my high school. The morning break was right before our 10:40 am biology class with Mr. Hainer. A buddy of mine snuck into his classroom and turned his daytimer one day ahead so it was on a "day two", on which he did not have a biology class at 10:40. The guy came back from break, looked at his daytimer after teaching "day one" classes all morning, saw a "day two" day in the book and left, convinced he did not have a class to teach. Another friend of mine, who was in that class, ran into him in the library. "Don't you have somewhere to be right now?" she asked him. "No," he said. "Do you?" This is him at close to sea level, on a good day.
They didn't want to have the Challenger disaster but with just one dude
Man, remember when people would just do that? Like give a speech to a bunch of elementary kids? Today people just post about it on social media.
RIP to your loved ones who died in the death zone but I'm built different
*immediately proceeds to asphyxiate*
Accurate
Death zone is just a made up scary name to keep normies away.
And low oxygen levels don’t mean anything to me, I have the power of holistic mind over matter endurance. I can do naked yoga up there for 3 weeks straight. The only thing I need to keep me going is the thought that I’m a beautiful unique child of stardust and astral magic
Please fund my next expedition.
P1. There's no air up there.
P2. Why would there be hair up here.
Choking sounds in a blizzard...
"so long suckers!" I rev up my snowmobile and create a huge cloud of snow. when the cloud dissipates im lying completely dead on the ice
@@sejwok2628a snowmobile with a combustion engine wouldn't have enough oxygen to run, and an EV snowmobile would be bricked by the cold.
I'll be honest, there's something very visually appealing about the original
BIG
DEADLY,
had the look of like a really cool travel poster but for psychopaths
I nominate Big Deadly as an alternative name for the mountain, alongside the local names for it
That plaque should be broken into 100,000 pieces and given to each of us who made it possible like the end of Mean Girls.
I would genuinely pay money for that though
For a second there I was thinking shards of the Emperor, 40k style ;p
@@KjetilSeimHaugenPlaque for the Plaque God
Could we each forward the cost of a plaque to the team so we all get one?
We the people know what to do with the intelligentsia.
The way we send people to the mountain of death you’d think human sacrifice was still real
The Emperor of Man brands you a heretic.
Self-inflicted human sacrifice? Ritual suicide? Either way, that's metal
People send themselves to the mountain of death, that's manufactured consent right there
human sacrifice is real, it's just that now we call them "essential workers" and we sacrifice them for the economy
@@ferky123 The Empire are space Skaven; they worship technology they don't understand, breed in uncountable numbers in the unending squalor of Hive planets, and care nothing for the lives of their fellows. Twelve High Lords and One Emperor?
The Thirteen bells ring true...
"if all of you get nine people to sign up"
excited for the multi-level marketing phase of the pod, here's to another 900K
I'm down if I get to be near the top of the pyramid. I'm just used to looking down on people being 6'2".
if they don't already, evangelize the 346 team
If each of us sends a subscription to the next person on the attached mailing list, by the end of the year you'll have TEN, FREE subscriptions of your very own, to keep!
@@tahrey I'm sending that to my spam folder.
I've been following this since the Sampoong disaster, so if this ever becomes an MLM, I should be pretty high on the pyramid.
However, the only things I need from the podcast are the only ones I already get.
Educational entertainment with occasional actionable threats, beeps, and the possibility to enjoy again while reading Devon's comments.
My elevator pitch for this podcast is the Middle East Infrastructure Projects episode, particularly the news segment "Oy Vey".
Liam, that was a mechaieh.
30:13 I love this beautiful reversal of the usual course of dialogue, with Roz making a joke and Alice saying "We'll get to that"
After comments about *Roz* drinking too much and after *Alice* makes actionable threats that need to be bleeped. Everything is switched up in this one.
Mate of mine walked to Everest base camp(just in some wools the absolute mad lad) on a whim when he was in Nepal like, he tried to smoke a fag when he got there and had to spend 2 hours lying down after a single drag, just catching his breath, he gave the rest of the deck to a local who was appreciative.
I lost my shit at the "my wife, my wife" said in the voice of an airplane's "pull up, pull up" alarm. If you do that episode some day you have to include that bit.
OMG it was funny but I didn't associate that. Thank you for the after laughter that was better than the start
Idk I liked when the slide just said "big deadly" it felt fitting
Everest is a scam by big deadly to sell more death
Hey I'm just glad we got the rare "censoring Alice saying an actionable threat against a sitting US senator" event, that's pretty special!
Actionable... I wonder how many threats per day US centers receive?
Something tells me Alice would just be lost in the sauce!
LMFAO nooo don't censor! It's my favorite part of the pod, and my favorite little quirk of Alice.
Love to make a tidy business scattering corpses and garbage around a place the locals call "Goddess Mother of the World"
we must feed her flesh
She is the only mother who should be allowed to say “I brought you into this world, and I can take you back out of it”
Possibly the best thing I ever learned from reddit is that the Appalachians aren't just older than the Atlantic. They're older than *bones.*
That is WILD to think about! Humans are just not mentally equipped to think about time scales like these... Much less me, who sometimes struggles with time scales on the order of one week... Damn ADD. XD
I was curious and googled First Trans person to climb Everest, and while she didn't summit, Jan Morris was a member of the 1953 expedition as a Journalist. She started her transition 1964. After her bottom surgery she was forced to divorce her wife, but they stayed together until 2008, where she was able to have a civil partnership.
Recently finished her memoir, Conundrum - of which it's not an exaggeration to say that it's quintessential trans memoir - and was surprised that she didn't get a mention in this video!
Jan Morris, one of my favorite writers based on her novel Hav. Super cool story and oldie trans icon
As a disabled person I 100 % agree with the points raised by Alice about disablities and people doing extreme stuff (like climbing the everest): most of the time it has nothing to do with the disability. It's about attention. People, both abled-bodied and disabled alike, love inspiration porn, so this shit sells. The doc mention by rob is a prime example of this. Discovery is not funding these kinds of stunts because they're trying to make some kind of a point or educate people about disablities, they're doing it because they know it sells. It's nothing more than a stupider version of the instagram post of a dude with 1 arm lifting a weight with something like 'What's your excuse?!?' plastered on top of it. It's dumb.
Ultimately it comes down to this in my opinion: unless you're a mountaneering kinda guy who's like felt the fucking calling of the rock piles since early childhood and practiced and devoted oneself to the craft who wants to do this shit for real and not on a tourist-trip, there's nothing achievement-like in getting one's ass hauled to the top of this tourist destination by other people who're risking their lives to make it easy for you. Phsically it's a challenge for sure, but there are 7 million different ways of challenging oneself physically that are not stupid and don't involve risking other people and the nature around you.
So let's all agree that we should leave the big deadly rocks to guys who've been doing this shit since their teens and let's find less deadly and irresponsible ways of challenging and improving ourselves.
Thanks for a solid episode once again. Peace the fuck out!
It’s important that we know our limits. I know for sure I’d NEVER make it to just base camp because of my disability. If I tried to actually climb any mountain, especially Everest, I’d be putting not only myself in danger but the other people around me. The people who climb with no experience, like that one lady, it’s very hard to find sympathy for them when they die.
And if you aren’t capable of bringing your own trash back down with you, you shouldn’t be climbing. Disability or not.
If you're wheelchair bound or whatever, couldn't you do the same kind of strenuous thing by, like, driving yourself to the top of Pike's Peak in the winter and then just sitting outside for a few hours? "Stoicism" is all the rage these days...
@@semirrahge lol I thought you were gonna say “drive to the top and then roll yourself down the mountain” 😂
I'm a big fan of the cave enthusiasts or divers who SPECIFICALLY know their hobby is dangerous and tell others: "Don't look for my body when I go missing" because of how many folks can actually die trying to do search and rescue :C
@@Beelzebubby91 You and me both! I know that because of my chronic illnesses/invisible disabilities that I am not cut out for *anything* happening at high altitudes. Hell, when I was 25 yrs younger and healthier just strolling around downtown Banff left me dizzy and out of breath from the altitude! If I ever feel like I've got anything to prove, I'll be doing it at sea level. And I'll be doing it in a field that I'm experienced in, like painting or theatre. Neither of which are known to usually leave frozen corpses on mountains, if done well.
K2 will hereafter be known as Well There's Your Peak, or WTYPeak.
Seeing the big WTYP sign from the restaurant and cafe on top of Everest need the ruck railway station
Hi Liam. It was nice to see you at my uncle’s funeral.
emily’s friend here. getting the text that y’all met at the funeral was a jaw-dropping moment.
Who do I pay for Liam to attend my funeral
@@vova7040it's a Patreon perk.
@@vova7040New Patreon goal
Thanks for giving Liam a moment 😀
The Everest's summit is an eldritch location that drinks the very LIFE out of your body while exchanging it for unfiltered MADNESS.
The Himalayas come up in Lovecraft’s works at least twice. They’re mentioned as a point of reference for the height of the titular range in _At the Mountains of Madness,_ and brought up as one of the homes of the Mi-Go in _The Whisperer in Darkness._
Turns out that having prolonged lack of access to adequate oxygen *can* permanetly damage your brain! Who knew?? *clears throat in long covid awareness*
@@joshuahadamsLovecraft even equates the Mi-Go with the yeti ( མི་རྒོད - romanized as Mi-Go/Migou/mi rgod/Migö/Mirgö - from the Tibetan for "wild man").
@@robertborland5083 I forgot about the way Tibetan looks when you transliterate it. Yeti is derived from “གཡའ་དྲེད” which is transliterated as “Gya’dred” following Wylie, who went for a direct transfer of written Tibetan, rather than spoken Tibetan.
@@joshuahadams NEATO! Thank you for the addition!
i have a few fun facts for this one:
one is that people in high altitudes are genuinely one of the only human populations to have evolved in any kind of genetically significant way to their surroundings. this is partially because mountains are the one enviroment we cant just technology our way out of. same goes for vitamin d, which is why we have different skin tones. moreover each population in high altitudes have evolved *different* adapations to it. i wont go too into it but its pretty cool. so shoutout to the ethiopians, andeans and nepalese for being genetically distinct.
second thing is that mt everest is *sacred* to a lot of the people around it and i think a lot of the orthodontists and tourists forget that. the tourism genuinely makes me sick bc this isnt just a mountain to the sherpas who risk their lives for these people. everest is the equivilant of a cathedral and the disrespect that foreigners give it is just disgusting.
my last bit is about the cowboy hats and nepalese/tibetan drip. the cowboy hats are beloved by them bc the UV rays that high up are *brutal* and the brim helps keep some snow/rain off too! a very helpful hat that they have shamelessly stolen. also the robes they wear are quite well designed. the basic shape is the same of a kimono, just a big thick bathrobe. the weathers shifts fast and drastic so if it gets too warm they can just take the sleeves off and let it hang. the inside chest area also acts as an extra pocket for goods or sometimes even a whole kid. theyre really comfy. the versions worn in lhasa by the city folk are all silk and fancy, but the rural ones are fur and practical.
thank you for coming to fun fact corner
Thank you for the fun fact corner!
These were indeed very fun facts
It's got me thinking about whether the UV is the reason that e.g. some autistic people find fluorescent lights painful even when they're not the flickery type. There's other skin/gut/sensory sensitivities associated with the condition and others like it, so a stronger irritant response to whatever UV gets past the phosphors and quartz glass may be a thing.
(They use strong UVC to work, and recent events like the Bored Ape Yacht Club rave have shown that the effect can be a lot worse than, say, just going out in the sun)
@@tahrey Very interesting idea! Being on the spectrum myself (the autistic spectrum, not the UV spectrum), I am indeed highly sensitive to both fluorescent lights and sunlight. The fluorescents trigger migraines, and I burn terribly in the sun, a condition I'd always attributed to being half-Irish and having the freckly pallor that goes with it. But the UV hypothesis would explain why my eyes are so light sensitive as well, and why my sunburns often feel far worse than they look. (Please don't ask about the time I fell asleep on the beach, on my stomach, and had somehow forgotten to put sunblock on the backs of my thighs and the wee bit of butt that my swimsuit didn't cover. It was *bad.*)
An interesting thing to note is that the black lights from my days of spending too much time in smoky, noisy, stinky goth clubs never really bothered me. Could it just be certain parts of the UV spectrum that are the problem? Was I too drunk to notice? It's all very interesting, anyway.
I vaguely remember some theory that Tibetan plateau area people got altitude adaptations from gene-mixing with the Denisovans. This is also cool.
Skin colour though I will maintain coolness from sexual selection as well as an adaptation because it's just not necessary for some of us to be so pasty.
Oh and we've also evolved the ability to digest milk in multiple populations and eat more starch.
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Hello, and welcome to Well There's Your Everest. It's a podcast about mountaineering disasters, with snowslides.
gotta add current elevation after name and pronouns
2 hours 47 minutes. The only podcast that has the stamina to satisfy me 🥵
And it’s rigid the whole way through
And incredibly consistent, a homogenate even
It’s like I used to be during my heavily addicted to opiate days!
Sure, it ruined my life, killed most of my friends and nearly me… but boy did that stuff make you able to last!
😅😥🥺😖
(I’m in a gallows-humor mood, don’t mind me)
Tantric Podcast
@@joearnold6881 Glad you survived.
Absentmindedly realized today - Have y'all thought about doing an ep on Action Park? I know it's been covered by a couple of documentaries and people might already know about it, but... shit's wild. Good dynamics with Liam (it's very anarchist and cool but it also killed kids) and probably Alice (if she doesn't know about it, shit's absolutely unhinged). Also, good opportunity for illustrating why you need to hire engineers.
I'd also like to hear more about the actual awful designs of rides if schematics or diagrams actually exist.
12/20/22 Edit: As a bonus, it'd turn the intro into an excellent pun. A podcast about engineering disasters with slides.
Lol. If blue holes aren't scary enough, put a water park on top!
DIY looping waterslide
Let's have a bunch of drunk teenagers keep an eye on these DIY deathtrap rides and see what happens! I was not surprised to see that the guys from Jackass made a fictional homage to it called Action Point.
I've got a sneaking suspicion that the only "schematics or diagrams" to be found are those from accident reports (or napkins).
@@alexhajnal107 I was assuming accident reports, yeah.
Helicopters and Everest are probably the two biggest killers of rich people it seems
And gout
Small planes too.
And shoddy submersibles
And windows, but only in Russia
Soon, Teslas
@@GaigeGrosskreutzGunClubsoon space tourism
fun fact about nepalese politics: nepal is home to the only nationally represented jucheist party outside the dprk (it holds one seat in the lower chamber of the nepalese parliament)
Woah.
I’d be so curious to see an ideology like that as propounded by people from a distant, unconnected part of the world.
Is it as authoritarian a form of Marxism as it is in North Korea, with a ln emphasis on a strong leader? Do they have their _own_ “strong leader” or do they pay at least lip service to the Kim dynasty?
Or have they perhaps de-emphasized that…
@@joearnold6881 Jucheism is fundamentally about complete independence (somewhat ironic in NK's case). Basically the ideal is to need no imports or exports. Complete autarky in economic, military and political terms.
So...hyperisolationist marxism-flavored nationalism.
@@GaldirEonaiIs the heredity rule a Juche thing or just a North Korea thing?
@thatmeatguy8418 that's sadly just a dictatorship thing.
Highest proportion of zoomer twitter users in a Nepalese voting bloc
Thought y’all were just referring to Everest as “Big Deadly” and honestly I like it
We need tee-shirts
Really though that nickname suits K2 better, it kills a far higher percentage of people who attempt to climb it
I have spent years waiting for Alice to get her CZcams plaque and I am 100% here for this.
Shoutout to the Activate Windows logo as the unsung hero of this podcast.
Edit. Devon the tubthumping joke was exquisite.
The story of Crown Prince Dipendra (wasn't just 'one of the kids', it was literally the guy standing to inherit the throne) going postal on the Nepalese royal family (I believe ten died in total, including him) is one of the wildest stories in recent history. No-one's even sure what precipitated it; all we know is that he was in charge of palace security arrangements that night, and for whatever reason, by the end of the evening, he, the king and queen, two of his siblings, and a gaggle of his aunts and uncles were dead. Or, well, Dipendra survived in a coma for three days, during which he, being the Crown Prince, was declared king upon his father's death... before dying himself, and the crown passing to his surviving uncle, who ended up being Nepal's last king.
There were rumors that a few days prior, his mother rejected his choice of whom to marry. Not sure how true is that.
Prince Harry gives me strong Crown Prince Dipendra vibes...not the first time this thought has crossed my mind.
I’ve seen allegations that the Crown Prince was a pawn in a plot to install his uncle as King.
@@fauxpinkytoo Is he the one who fancies Hugo Boss-designed uniforms?
@@alexhajnal107 Yes, yes he is. Though you have to give credit where it's due, Hugo Boss did some pretty spiffy design work, even though it was for terrible people.
There is an SCP entry on Mount Everest, or rather, the entity that manifests there to lure climbers to their doom so that it can rule over their corpses as a king of death. I'm sure that's not a commentary on anything.
Congrats on 100k! I tried recommending you to my friend and she said 'podcasts are just people talking' and I said 'but it has slides'. The slides, tragically, did not change her mind.
Movies are just people doing things. Anything sounds stupid when you reduce it to base essentials
And safety warnings. Who desn't like safety warnings?
She doesn't get it 😡
The way Alice knew *exactly* what Liam wanted $4k for. That's the banter and wit I come for baby!!
Liam being the voice of reason as his co-hosts both go off the handle is incredible
Yay, Liam!
Imagine if a super rich person hired all the sherpas, then told them to take the season off! Lol
Taylor Swift's next project now that she has fuckit money
Mr. Beast! This here
Yes, Mallory had supplemental oxygen on the summit attempt he died on. Where those used bottles have been found and what was known about the caching plan is part of the mystery of whether they could have summitted or not. There is no KNOWN evidence they summitted, and SOME circumstantial evidence supporting a successful summit; but MORE circumstantial evidence suggesting they probably turned around before summitting and died trying to return to camp after dark.
I once watched enough mountaineering content on youtube to find this sub basement of 100 view videos about how the chinese found evidence of and covered up Mallory and Irvings' successful summit.
But seriously, bad weather, hilary step still to climb, the fact they both died. Makes me feel they probably didn't.
I'll take the 200,000 furtenbach adventures signature package. The one where you get taken up in a pressurized sedan chair!
WHERES MY HOT CHOCOLATE, I SAID HOT CHOCOLATE DAMNIT! DOESNT THIS RIDE GO FASTER...
I think they found evidence that the rope that was tied around their waists snapped. It was a documentary either on disney or amazon but I could be mixing the people up with someone else.
Engineering isn't just about building bridges and buildings; it's designing any technology that humans use and standardized procedures we use to do things and make things. So yes--Everest disasters count as engineering disasters, because things were poorly planned, equipment was inadequate, and things went wrong. Pretty simple. So I'm not complaining. And you do deserve those 100k subscribers. You produce good, interesting content.
Gods the segment about rolling stuff down the slopes at Camp 3 almost killed me. Much like the caves, the mountain is not a place for you, do not go there. You will die. I will not, I am built different and that different is looking at the mountain from a distance and saying "cool."
I start to feel the pressure differential in my ears going up the highway in the bottom edge of the Canadian Shield in the car, I'm not going anywhere where the breathing precautions are anything more than a scarf in the winter. I don't have Rocz's fear of heights, but I do have what I think is a very reasonable fear of *depths*.
@@sakurakiyorijokes on you I fear being lifted more than a foot off the ground. I'm in danger 😅
@@maybemablemaples2144 It probably helps that it's the road to our family's cottage, and I've been going along that way since I was old enough to get through the drive.
I am going to stay in my country that is entirely flat for hundreds of kilometers in all directions, thank you kindly
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Just calling it out, they (Mallory and Irvine) were using supplementary oxygen. It's probably why Mallory chose Irvine as his climbing partner, since Irvine knew how to work with the oxygen system. Using supplemental oxygen for high altitude climbing was tested (probably for the first time) during the 1922 Everest expedition.
Seeing the Everest episode has just dropped.
GREEN BOOTS! GREEN BOOTS! GREEN BOOTS!
('Go Birds' voice) GREEN BOOTS! GREEN BOOOOOOOTS!
Scaling mount Everest but only to steal some nice Vintage boots
I remember reading Green Boots was moved and laid to rest out of sight of the climbing route.
35:20 Thank you, Devon, for labeling Mr Everest, I wasn't entirely sure which person on screen that was.
The activate windows logo really deserves the plaque.
If nothing else, the plaque needs an Activate Windows in the corner.
@1:55:00 When all earthly sight has permanently left your body, your friend in the lonely darkness is the Activate Windows logo. Or maybe it isn't really there anymore and only its screen-burn in truly remains. You'll never know for sure.
I'm sorry, but any form of mountaineering competition ("I want to be the only one on this tall mountain!") means I will not mourn you. But if tourist mountaineering is acceptable, I recommend Pikes Peak (14,000 ft/4300 m) in Colorado, USA. You can drive up the slow way (and have to take a break so your brakes don't burn out) and acclimate, or TAKE THE COGRAIL TRAIN! You can get OFF the cograil train and climb up the rest of the way! You can be lazy and ride the train all the way up! You will start getting oxygen sickness after about 15 minutes at the top. You have that amount of time to shop at the gift shop, buy donuts, buy oxygen canisters! You can stay and climb down on your own! Or just RIDE THE COGRAIL DOWN!
The view is pretty amazing and supposedly inspired the song, America The Beautiful. The last time I was there, a blizzard started in the last few minutes and got really bad , super quick. Guess what. Hopping on the COGRAIL TRAIN took us completely out of danger superfast! The snow stopped below a certain elevation. It was sunny down below! This is a very short ride and a good way to figure out to discover your physical limitations on oxygen. Good hiking!
yay cograil railway!
I would honestly go just to say I've ridden the mountain train. XD
Congrats on the plaque. For the next one, you might have to change the format a little bit. Have you guys thought about having Liam do makeup tutorials, Justin doing Roblox streams and Alice horribly pranking her husband? That's what gives numbers!
ok but watching Justin stream Roblox Studio just building stuff would be great
I`m all in on the Liam Anderson Make-up channel
Alice prank channel!!!
Also talking glibly about horrible true crime cases while eating inordinate amounts of junk food.
12:48 I like the idea that someone hides the Activate Windows logo plaque in Microsoft HQ, like, beside a fire exit or something.
This is extremely possible. It’d take maintenance forever to notice.
Been here for 4 years of subscribing, nearly 150 episodes plus bonuses, three live shows, incalculable hours of my life spent on this show and the extended podcast universe. Congratulations on hitting 100k, guys. Yay Justin, Yay Alice, Yay Liam, Yay Devon, and Yay many guests.
CZcams subscriptions are the best. You only have to click once, and it will reorder itself for free until the youtuber seeks sanity!
1:14 BOSE stands for Buy Other Sound Equipment
Listening to this on a QC45 ouch!!!
Oh I can’t wait for this one. All jokes except for the love of Sherpa’s.
Also, make Liam do an episode on deep sea fishing.
With oysters
+1 for the fish
Messner is so German that he’s Italian, guys. Born in Brixen, South Tyrol. Speaks native (though very accented) Italian.
Italian on a technicality.
So he’s Swiss?
@@Xxx_EvilSmurf_xxXAustrian.
@@Xxx_EvilSmurf_xxXNo, there are Italians in Switzerland (Tincino) and Germans in Italy (South Tyrol)
More Italian than Columbus, sorry Vinny from the Pizzeria, but it's true
The "Oak leaves and crosses" joke is so underrated.
I'm listening to this engineering disaster podcast at my new job at an engineering firm. I love it.
Iconic
Engineering firms as a collective could easily be their own episode, good luck
It’s a warning
I just worked at a small family owned theme park. I don't need a warning. I've actually thought of submitting to safety third. 😂
Gives you something to strive for. To be featured on WTYP
Another vote for BIG DEADLY merch! Devon killing it as always. Thanks for another episode, gang, and congrats on the subscribers!
I've been to the top of a mountain three times back when I was younger and it was pretty awesome! None of them were high enough to have snow on the top but they were high enough that the trees stopped growing that high. It was still a big physical endeavor and the view was still fantastic! You don't need to go up the highest mountain in the world to get the satisfaction of having been to the top of a mountain. Hell, I've been to the top of some local hills and it's still pretty awesome and the view is nice.
I do agree that the reason you go to the top of anything is to see what it's like and the point of walking down any path is to see where it goes and what's there. That makes lots of sense. The thing is that going down any path you've never been down before provides that kind of adventure because of the curiosity you'll have about what's over that way. You can literally go anywhere you haven't been before and have this experience and even walking at different times of the year can provide a new adventure down a path you have already hiked on. I think the adventures that most people are likely to miss are the ones that may be even within walking distance of where they live. I know I've found quite a few such adventures like that and I've been finding new ones for at least 30 years. Even a small patch of wilderness in on the outskirts of the city can provide such adventure so don't waste a fortune just to find yourself, yes, in the middle of the wilderness, but with a bunch of stupid, pretentious yuppies waiting for them to hike their incompetent asses to the summit so you can have your turn. That line to the summit takes away what nature is supposed to give you, which is solitude in a beautiful place and maybe a nice place to smoke a joint. With that kind of Everest experience, you get the beautiful place and you'd probably get in trouble for smoking a joint up there. Believe me, you can definitely have a better wilderness experience probably not far from where you live so go do that and forget Everest.
I did see the documentary called Sherpa and that is when I decided that no matter how curious I am to see the full 360 view at the top of Everest, I will never go even if I did end up with enough money and even if I could go up there without 100s of other idiots and even if I could smoke a joint and even if I wasn't old with painful masses on the bottoms of my feet so I probably can't walk that far. I wouldn't ask the Sherpas to risk their lives because I'm curious and it wouldn't matter how much money I could give them to do it. I would love to go look at the mountain from the bottom so if I ever did get anywhere near it, I'd make sure to come up with like $1,000,000 per Sherpa to take me just to where I could see it from the bottom but that will never happen.
Interestingly, I actually happened to meet a couple of Sherpas who had come to the US for a vacation while I was playing music downtown since I discovered that if you go practice downtown, sometimes people give you money, so it makes sense to practice there since you're going to practice anyway. A couple of Sherpas came and gave me a $100 bill! Naturally, I thought they had meant to give me a $1 bill so I said something to them but they had meant that big bill. We ended up chatting some and, as it so happens, I have a song that is a Buddhist mantra and so we all sang together some too. Of course, I asked them all about their country and what the mountain was like, plus I told them what the tops of some of the mountains here were like. They were really nice people and, as with all people, deserve to be treated with respect and not treated as subordinates to rich people. I did get the feeling that they enjoyed being the rich people in our interaction though. lol I didn't even tell them how badly I needed to get a few dollars that night either so they helped me in a HUGE way!
Your interaction with the Sherpas sounds just delightful, I'm very happy for you experiencing that!
And you're totally right, there's beautiful nature everywhere. You just need to care to look and maybe walk a bit.
Smoking joints in the wilderness is also always a good time, I recommend it as well!
1:43:10 my glacial geology professor told us a story of some researcher falling into the crevasse and came out the bottom of the glacier 20 years later and that's how they learned how glaciers move.
At least he was useful to science!
In the MRI picture they’ve already taken off the part of the skull on the right (decompressive craniectomy) to help with the swelling which is why the brain is going there. Otherwise the brain goes down through the base which is even worse.
WTYP trepanning episode when?
Nothing like being on CZcams out of boredom, seeing the new episode notification and having the time to watch it right away. Also, I liked the Big Deadly.
The Big Deadly sounds like an awesome band name tbh
Very happy you've reached the 100K milestone! Be proud you all provide such thought provoking entertainment and anti-fish diatribes.
Hooting and hollering at a 3 hour podcast about a mountain
yessss. another one that makes me face the horrible decision of watching now or saving for thanksgiving travels. i think i will save it, since i got amtrak tickets and know im not driving now. there's no praxis like consuming WTYP on a train.
Adoring the growing presence of Devon edits, fuckin love em
Love to hear Alice making the actionable threats for a change
NOVEMBER
When I was 19ish I lived in a tiny apartment complex with a huge Nepalese family. Two of the guys were Sherpa and have summited Everest multiple times. They chain smoked like crazy.
I mean, slide, cannon, sure... but you're missing the inherent joy of a pneumatic tube system 🙂
Phwoomp
The bodies stay up there in part bc the Sherpa's religion forbids them from touching the bodies and in part bc it's hard to get bodies down from up there.
There was an expedition to bury Green Boots (believed to be an Indian climber) in stones in 2017 and they tried to get an Irish climber's body buried as well, he was hanging off a line off the side of the edge, but he was frozen and it was unsafe and one of them already had frostbite from burying green boots.
It is actually called Sagarmatha in Nepal.
It is called Chomolungma in Tibetan.
this podcast would be so much better without liam smh
now that I have your attention, if you don't want to go for closed back headphones, go for affordable (under 150) iems, some of them are stupid good. also love you liam
liam is big daddy. i would cuddle rocz however
Cheap IEMs sound great but you have got to frequently clean them, acne in your ears is absurdly painful. If you can, get ones with stainless steel or aluminum casings. they seem to be a bit better than the plastic ones in the hygiene department
On the closed back opinion, cd900st's are amazing with yaxi pads (though then it's 200ish)
Dank Pods covers this a good deal
@@molliemicrobe yeah I have to say I'm already kinda thorough with mine since I use foam tips with my truthears
incredible to get a new episode as im going to sleep thank you teammmmmmmm
The only disaster in this podcast is your sleep schedule.
@@Saucisse_Praxis We must ask in the Socratic method, _What is a time zone?_
This is a perfectly reasonable time to go to bed in UK/Europe
The thing is you listen to them enough times that it doesn’t matter
@@Saucisse_Praxismy brother in christ it is night in Europe
Everest, eh? Has WTYP reached it's Peak with a mountain episode? Let's find out.
This channels climbing to new heights!
One 100k plaque to the Activate Windows logo absolutely took me out
West Virginia accepts the only apology we've ever been given
I'm now calling Mt. Everest "Big Deadly", and the mix tape is dropping on Sunday.
K2 (not a real name, not even correctly numbered according to the original British surveys) / “savage mountain” (tryhard)
Does everest make ski equipment? Because K2 has some killer gear!
Get in on the branding, right?
Thank you boys and girls I needed this today. I've been hunting for engineering work since July and yall keep me going in these dark times.
I think this does count as an engineering topic because climbing mount everest is hubris and all of engineering is also hubris
When I calculate screw thread resistance, I defy man and God.
Back when I worked AV support, we did refer to BOSE as "Buy Other Sound Equipment," so that (and the discussion about headphones) made me smile.
I still can't beleive how good bose noise canceling is on professional flight headsets.
One second you're yelling like it's Vietnam and you're in the thick of it trying to shout commands over mortar fire. Then you put the headset on and it's like the intro music to Bambi starts playing. Just pure serenity!
I haven't heard other brands, but removing the sound of a prop from a prop plane is magic!
@@brandonhoffman4712I’ll never buy any other noise cancelling ear buds or headphones except for BOSE. Truly the best
Congrats on the 100K! My bf and I (who watch new episodes together) cheered loudly enough to scare our neighbor's cat.
when i got dive training they did an exercise to give you a numerical guage for how badly you function in non-ideal climates. what they do is at the surface of the water they make you write on a plastic tablet with water resistant chalk backwards from 100 by 3's (100, 97, 94, 91, 88). you go "oh surely they don't mean all of the way" but because the skill they are teaching you can be the only thing that prevents someone from dying one day they absolutely do mean count from 100 to 0 while people watch, judge & time you. then you go 100 feet down, hang out for a minute to let your body temp plumet down to what the water is down there, and then they have you do the exact same exercise again. got the same results for everyone in the group. takes a little less than a minute on the surface, then just from lowering your body temperature slightly it takes like 3 to 5 minutes
not gonna catch my ass on mt everest, i know what *a little bit* of cold *for a few minutes* does to a mf'er
and a lot of people go "oh well im built different, couldn't be me", but even if that's true (which it isnt), consider this; you are attached to a line of 100 people, and every person there is operating at 10% mental efficiency AT BEST. picture the most useless customer service help you've ever recieved in your life from the most incurious, lazy & impatient person who's ever "helped" you. now picture their daddy wins the lottery & sends them to mt everest, and they're the jackass next to you in line. now make them effectively drunk off their ass from inclement climate exposure (bc that's basically what it does, it makes you drunk), & ask yourself, would you bet your life on that person's ability to tie a knot?
cuz i fucking wouldn't
i humbly submit that i'm here for y'all talking about whatever you feel like, tbh
Added value: Great show AND Devon provides great audio engineering advice.
I hope Devon keeps up with their snarky commentary
Congratulations on 100k! Now, make Alice fly to the U.S. to get her plaque. Then all of us American fans can meet her.
Why listen to podcast for almost 3 hours? Because it's there
Im listening to this without supplemental oxygen
Listening to this whilst sat in a walk in freezer to simulate the cold
i dont think the oxygen masks are the problem here (or are cheating) its using sherpas to carry all your shit and do a ton of the work for you, i think if everyone had to climb it themselves without the help of severely underpaid servants it would lead to a LOT less people attempting to climb everest. even with an oxygen mask you would need to be expirienced and put in a crazy amount of work its still an insane feat to pull off.
Yeah use all the oxygen you want. Just carry it yourself
And take your trash with you, when you can.
love when guests participate in the conversations around the news and safety third segments
21:45 the Appalacian Mountains are in fact older than trees as a species by like 120 million years. Life truly IS old there
And bones!
While that may still be true, "tree" is purely a morphological distinction: trees are not a species or a group of species, they do not have a single common ancestor (besides, I suppose, the common ancestor of all plants). Like how many species have evolved to resemble crabs, many kinds of plant have eventually evolved into trees.
@@karhu7581 i was just trying to make a “country roads, take me home” joke
It’s a podcast about human folly and I’m here for it!
Reinhold Messner is actually technically Italian, because he was born in and lived in South Tyrol - he was also a Green MEP for north-east Italy between 1999 and 2004.
what if a German man was Italian
It took me into my thirties to understand that mountaineering is not and I quote (myself) "just walking". I was like "Yeah avalanches and low oxygen and stuff, and freezing to death" but somehow I had managed to not get that rock climbing and such were... part of mountain climbing.
To be fair I am from New England and this is not a land that does sheer rock faces. But also, you know what I want? I want an account from a Sherpa guide on their ascents of Everest. I feel like that would be a much more interesting narrative about Everest than like the "CHALLENGE OF A LIFE TIME" stuff from the guys paying them. A few like record breaking guys have written books, but I'd like... a work a day guy writing about it.
There was, ages ago, some reality show about people climbing Everest and to its credit it did focus on the Sherpas quite a bit and one of them was making a record breaking 20th trip to the top.
Congrats on your plaque, people I'm hearing now. Hope the custody deal is amicable between the four of you and guest
Congrats on 100k subscribers!
You all make my life a more enjoyable place with your channel. Thank you for what you do here.
I know I already commented, but the amount of humour and information Devon peppers in is incredible. Truly elevating the pod to the incredible heights of the Death Zone.
I do wish there was the hitscan sound on every comment but I also know I should just pay closer attention.
I for one was all onboard to rename mt Everest “Big Deadly”
yay liam! incredible to open the episode with Justin apologizing to West Virginia for a joke Roz made and doesn't even remember lol.
Was relistening to the cable car episode yesterday where Liam says "We need to do a Mount Everest episode!" and here it is!
My submission for the evac bag is to have a series of pneumatic tubes like they used to have in banks
"Big Deadly" just sounds like a distant geological relative of "Old Faithful"
good god the amount of times "we'll get there" is said darkly about something horrific mentioned in passing....