The Josh Giddey-Alex Caruso TRADE is a PERFECT Win-Win
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I appreciate at least 1 content creator not getting in their feelings about this deal based on a bad Giddey season. Dude was averaging like 17/7/6 at 19/20 years old in 76 games before this season. Especially from Kenny who still sings Patrick Williams praises whos older and hasn't come close to that production for a full season.
I am not sure why you would compare box scores for these two players. Patrick Williams as a 3 and D wing is the leagues most sought after archetype... Giddey is a guard with about 7% higher usage. PWill has shot 10% better from 3 than Giddey over their careers. I think it's fair to say Giddey has a limited ceiling if his 3p% cannot take another jump.
@@marcosantella1736 Patrick Williams wasn't selected to be a 3 and D wing at #4 when they took him. That's what he is now because his development has been minimal if there has been any at all. Giddey's shot is concerning but could develop more if he puts in work on it. Giddey is also the same height just a shorter wingspan, and plays guard but is listed as SG/SF/PF.
I agree I still have high hopes for giddy to be the starting pg and build around him
â@@marcosantella1736Bro Patrick Williams is MID with all caps
Pat Will is a bust. Them bulls fans were saying we got the next Kawhi, they got next Trevor Ariza at most
Josh is better for a bad team and Alex is better for a contender so itâs a win win
On that principle it is literally a win win but the bulls couldve gotten more for caruso
I agree at least a pickâ@@Googoogagabanana
I agree. Giddey is a bad player that doesn't belong on a good team. Caruso makes any team better.
Good take ngl OKC fan here btw I do think the bulls should have gotten a pick Tbf but itâs not a loss for the bulls like most say
@@Googoogagabanana And basically OKC in the situation where they do not want to keep this 12th peak. They wont be able to develop this player. I expect them to make more moves before draft.
thank god you actually have a brain. everybody calling giddey trash and terrible and calling the bulls stupid started pissing me off
Exactly basketball fans never learn their lesson when it comes to this just wait until giddey in mip conversation next year and everyone switches up
Honestly as a Bulls fan Iâm not totally happy about this trade.
I think we should enter in a Rebuild Era, but we trade the hustle player of the year for a young playmaker with an uncertain future promising him to be âthe one who run the showâ.
I see two big problems in this trade: the first one is the coexistence of Coby White and Giddey, the second one is the fact that for our (imo) best player we didnât even receive a frp.
i was totally shocked that the bulls didnât even get a single pick in this trade lol.. I remember this past trade deadline that multiple teams were offering multiple first round picks for caruso but now itâs just funny that they didnâteven get a single pick for giddey
@@johnedzeljoaquin8109because akme is worst than we thought.. they just lucky in denver picking Jokic no more special bout AK
the bulls lost this trade idk how he even depicts it as a win . We also have to pay this bum
And then the fact that we have like 7 guards on roster Ayo and Coby donât know if they franchise players yet but they showed promise last season and are players we should build around now I personally would have liked if we went after capela we need rim protection but to get a guard that canât shoot on a team with zero spacing already makes no sense
@@claywilcox1348 Iâm taking Coby AND Ayo over Giddey lol idk what the fuck the Bulls are doing
Nobody was giving multiple first round picks for Caruso last season, that's why trade never happened. Josh is still young and have potential to grow.
Completely agree with you. People on twitter are overreacting bc of the off the court drama. That has nothing to do with Giddey as a player. He has tremendous potential still and im excited to see him in a new environment
Tremendous potential đ
@@DT-1023yes lil bro
@@sbrfs356 yep thats why the thunder took him out of the lineup in the playoffs
bro canât shoot, finish, or defend. heâs a lead ball handler and NEEDS the ball. so now youâre taking the ball out of coby whites hand to make him a 2 guard, after having his best season with the ball in his hands. also caruso should land you a pick, it shouldâve landed a pick at the deadline. but they had to sell low bc they missed their opportunity. the bulls front office sucks at trades and negotiations. not saying giddey is a bad player, but heâs a very limited player. now when coby white wants the ball, the others teams will just sag off and leave giddey open, making it harder for their already terrible spacing.
â@@JRRM97cause of their system that he currently doesnt fit and they have shai and jdub nobody on chicago can play ahead of those guys either, absolutely nobody. He'll have a higher usage rate and play in a system more fitting for him. He'll be fine hes only 21. Chicago wouldnt have gotten a high first for caruso at this point with one year on his contract. So a mid to late first rounder would more than likely be much worse given its chicago
OKC should get claxton asap, SHAI/Dort/J dub/Clax/Chet would be a top 5 defensive lineup of all time
Iâd prefer Allan tbh
We need some girth, pause. We dont need another skinny center
@@gangstalker5461 Hartenstein?
need better spacing, still could get lauri with the picks they have
@@gangstalker5461 claxton is not skinny
Josh can still be so good
Great vids man!
For the bulls - I hope this is a start of a rebuild. They should draft a high upside player (maybe trade up for holland or clingan), and build around Pat will, white and giddey. I would rather have giddey that 2 picks in the 20âs. He has high upside if they will give him time.
For OKC - great trade. Now they can focus on getting a big that can play with and without Chet. Maybe use a few picks to get markkanen or someone else. Or, just wait and not go for something too bigâŠ
OKC should get claxton asap, SHAI/Dort/J dub/Clax/Chet would be a top 5 defensive lineup of all time with caruso Cason Wallace isiah joe Aaron Wiggins and they should trade ous and a few picks and get a defensive backup center like clinghan, BEST DEFENSIVE TEAM OF ALL TIME
Chicago going to love the Giddey. Just wait till next season and you'll see!
I'm glad somebody else sees this as a win for both teams. Giddey is young and will improve at least a little bit, if not a lot, and should be starting for another five or seven years. Caruso has about two more good years in him, then will either slowly or quickly fade. OKC needed to get rid of their 4th best option on offense, trade him for a guy who will be their second best defender (Dort #1). With this trade, the Bulls are improving on offense, but they won't have to pay Giddey a max contract (because of his hetero reputation), and they're getting rid of a relatively expensive contract, relative to what Caruso brought to the Bulls.
Every time Bulls brass asked for Giddey plus a draft pick, OKC said: "Yeah, but he's old. No picks."
Josh Giddey could definitely develop into a Gordon Hayward type of player. He has good court vision and can score, just needs to work on his shot but he's still only 21 and a change of scenery could be what he needed
@@Christo_Trismegistus I forgot to write that this trade is also a win for Giddey.
I think KOT4Q might disagree đđđ
As he should. This was a godawful trade for the Bulls
@@hellraiser420chatting like giddey didnât average 17 8 7 at PG
@@mikeysbusy whoopty fuckin doo, he was unplayable in the playoffs
@@hellraiser420 Bulls won't be in the playoff's anyway đ
and he doesnt mean shit
I just kinda tripped out Chicago didnât ask for any picks whatsoever. Seems like Chicago could have gotten more for Caruso, either from OKC or elsewhere
"Win-win" is a pretty hot take UNLESS the Bulls actually rebuild. And even then not to get a pick is kinda wild. Its OKC so it's not like they didn't have itđ
Thank you! acting like this trade is a complete fleecing is insane all of a sudden everyone is a nba GM expert đ
i think bulls couldve squeezed atleast one 1st from the thunder
i didnât know u did videos like this and i watched all your 2k rebuilds gatta say im loving videos like this and im glad your still doing 2k and this on the same channel i want to be a youtuber i just never could afford it props to you man đŻ
The Bulls need draft picks. They had an offer of multiple 1st Rd picks for Caruso at the trade deadline. OKC is drowning in picks.They got none. Giddey is a Restricted Free Agent, which also means Chicago now has to pay him after this season. Which eliminates the idea they save on not having to pay Caruso. You also would not have had to pay a draft pick. I don't think this is a win for Chicago.
Ayo is an emerging defender, hate when yall that donât watch the Bulls speak with confidence lol
and he said him and coby where not elite shooters, they shot 40% from 3 last season lmao bro didn't do his research
Exactly! lol
Josh Giddey needs the ball in his hands, thatâs how heâs useful. OKC has better high usage players so the guy just wasnât right anymore. Heâs still a good player that brings veteran facilitation and is only 21
We gotta calm down with Shai being an elite defender, he's more of a passing lane defender than someone who guards an opposing teams best 2 guard/wing players
Agre, he is light to match with bigger guards physically
Giddey averaged 17/7/6 a season ago. The downside is he has to be the point guard with the ball in his hands. Derozan will most likely be back in Chicago, so thatâs the weird duo that will have to coexist. White is more suitable at the two, Lavine is way more likely to be on another team than the Bulls next year, and they have the 11th pick. This pushes Lonzo away, which is fine since he hasnât played in two and a half full seasons. Theyâll be back for the nine seed once again.
Round 2!
Was watching the first upload before it got taken down halfway through đ
THANK YOU Matt. As a bulls fan I can't stand people who complained about this trade! Josh is a great piece for a potential rebuild! Let's trade Zach (Orlando? Miami?) and Vooch now!
He's 6'8 and a great playmaker. Yes we are full of guards but Coby/Dosunmu is a backcourt you want to run for the next years? I don't think so.
Post giddey trade rebuild?đ
Love the the trade for okc as a bulls get ready copper flag
Bulls fans were gassed up last year into thinking Caruso is worth multiple 1sts. They assumed the 1sts were the unprotected type. I'm sure if anyone was offering a 1st, it was a non-lottery pick. This trade seems to confirm that.
Giddey would go top 10 in this draft and he's 21. This is a fair trade. Caruso is a nice piece but he's not young and is due a new deal.
It was reported and confirmed multiple teams offered multiple firsts for Caruso at the deadline but our incompetent front office declined every offer
@@goatmode7317 Yes, and I highly doubt any of the picks offered weren't lottery-protected. I'm sure if someone offered a 1st that could have landed a player or pick equivalent to Giddey, they would have taken it.
Anyone who would want Caruso would be a team close to contending. A team close to contending doesn't have lottery picks to offer and frankly, Caruso isn't worth a lottery pick or an unprotected future 1st.
@@ryansproviero 1 pick offered ended up in the top 10 . idk what yall see from Giddey that OKC didnt besides being young and the fact that he could but isn't guaranteed to get way better
@@finesseU Which pick ended up in the top 10? What I see in Giddey is about the same as what I see at the top of this draft. I'm sure if there was a better offer than Giddey, they would have taken it. Sometimes you have to look at what happened and weigh it against the rumors. This result would suggest the rumors were overblown and the picks that were offered were picks that would have landed in the back end of the 1st.
@@ryansproviero the Bulls are a terribly ran franchise , I have no doubt they had better offers than Giddey and yea Giddey could be better than someone in this class to the Bulls but they are going to have to pay him and the Thunder will draft his replacement at 12 . This makes no sense for the Bulls who already have guards who need the ball
The only thing I'm surprised is that Chicago couldn't also get a pick of sorts alongside the Giddey package given that Caruso was sold to be getting 2 FRPs at the deadline. Like not even a protected first or a couple of seconds? Otherwise I do actually like the swap itself.
What a vet for OKC to gain. Caruso's attitude and work ethic towards the game is elite and having that kind of mentality to rub off on the young thunder team is awesome for them đ not to sure what Chicago gain from this trade though
I low-key don't like the fit. Giddey is not a floor spacer as it stands so he will likely need to be the 1. Problem with that is Coby broke out by being able to be the primary ball handling 1. The bulls got Coby on a steal of a deal and for some reason seem to hate him lmfao
Yeah, scratched my head when that was in the video. Giddey can't shoot, can't defend, he's ball dominant...Bulls could have got someone young and with higher upside than Giddey. Measuring Giddey's potential is almost like that line out of the movie Everything, Everywhere, All at Once - you're capable of anything because you're so bad at everything.
@@jrmarcuschatting giddey at pg averaged 17 8 7 and Cobyâs main position is a sg heâs always been a natural born scorer with the help of giddeys playmaking itâll help Coby even more
@@mikeysbusy why do you think they took giddey out of the lineup in the playoffs, its because hes a complete negative on the court without the ball
@@JRRM97the bulls not gonna be in the playoffs for bit so maybe he develops on the defensive side in Chicago just like ayo did this season
not getting at least 1 1st round pick is insane to me. especially when they could have got 2 1st for him at the deadline last year
Nah idk man. Bulls got no picks back
This. All defense defender needs picks.
As someone who wanted to se Markkanen to Giddey trtade done. I love this move for OKC.
Caruso fills more opf what they need. lets go Thunder!
People forget how good Giddey is when heâs playing on-ball. OKC had too many players that needed the ball last year, and Giddey is not a good shooter yet so he didnât fit. I donât know how I feel about his fit with Coby White tho. Coby had a breakout career year last year when he got to play the most on the ball in his career. Giddey will either stunt his development or help it if he becomes maybe a rondo type role
giddey will never be rondo, hes not athletic,cant defend and hes god awfull without the ball
@@JRRM97 rondo in the fact that his only job really is to get the scorers the ball. Rondo is miles better but rondos main role when he was one the Celtics championship team was to get KG Pierce and Ray the ball. He was only the 4th scoring option
Still need som size. I think it was your video where the okc rebuild they was able to get John Collins and Lauri markenen in a trade. Maybe jazz will take picks and expiring Hayward contract
Hayward is a free agent I think
Shai elite defender đ like saying AI was was a lockdown defender
Love the trade for both teams đ
Rebuild idea. Do a 82-0 challenge in every era. But you have to use the same team and rebuild them in every era. Example take the spurs in the bird and magic era and continue using them in every era with the players you have. So itâll have to be a continuation rebuild
I totally expect a deal for Allan for OKC before the draft or on draft night letâs get it thunder up
Ayo is a bright spot on this team he and coby should be the starting guards let derozan walk get a big man and picks for Zach and start rebuilding đą
Legit in my opinion thunder threw giddy away, for someone who doesnât fit the offence of thunder
I'm not saying Josh doesn't have any upside to his game, on the contrary, I do agree that if it was down to either a Giddey 1 for 1 swap with Caruso or a Caruso for let's say two 1sts type of deal then yes getting the proven 18 6 and 5 guy with big potential and upside is better than just picks and nothing more especially since those picks are likely heading down in the draft standings considering OKC's growth and development. However, was it completely out of the question to demand at least 1 frp alongside Giddey considering the guy you're giving up?
As a thunder fan, not happy with this trade we will not be the one seed again
Giddy has way more upside and the bulls need some guys who can develop
This is not a win win. This is one of the biggest win-lose trades I've ever seen. Bulls couldnt even get a single pick from the THUNDER, who have more draft picks then they can even USE. This was a godawful trade from Chicago's perspective, especially considering many teams were interested in Caruso and were willing to give up solid players and picks. The only conceivable win from this for the Bulls is this may be a sign of them blowing it up and rebuilding but even then they've been saying Giddey will be their "replacement for Lonzo" so there's a possibility that theyre delusional enough to keep trying to make this team work so i wouldn't hold my breath. OKC won this trade and basically just stole Caruso for nothing. A+ for the Thunder, F for the Bulls, one sided trade
As a Magic fan Iâd love to see Vooch back in Orlando or even in Philly. But that would be ridiculous n unrealistic to see Bulls give the Magic Vooch back.
We need to trade 2 of either Zach, Damar or Vooch. In return you have to prioritize salary cap, picks and young Fâs or Câs.
Wish would we have got a pick
I think people say this is a bad trade considering how much more the bulls couldve gotten for caruso
We know what happened when harden got out of oklahoma
Similar vibes for sure if giddey wins mip next seasonâŠ
bulls needed a 1st rd pick and a 2nd round pick. OKC has a thousand picks.
This guy booprinted twice holy
I predict Lavine getting traded to the Nets for Ben Simmons and a 1st round pick.
What makes the trade not so great for the bulls is they didnât get any draft picks for Caruso and ownership forced gm AK to decline 3 first round picks one being the top ten in this years draft thatâs whatâs bad about the bulls trading Caruso here. Nothing against Giddey but how do we not get a pick when OKC has like 15 of them
As a Spurs fan, I hope the Bulls run it back! We want their 2025 1st round draft pick. đ
Even if they do itâs gonna be outside the top 10 gang đ
this sucks for the Bulls, they need Shooting
It doesn't make a lot of sense for the Bulls, imo. This is gonna lessen Coby White's rise, and if injuries arent an issue, there are just so many guards now, and a lot of them need the ball to be effective. Lavine, White, Giddey, Lonzo, Ayo. Thats a lot of solidly good guards, but not a lot of good options for mix and match to bring out the best in anyone. If this is one of many moves for the Bulls, maybe okay. But if this is the move, not a good one.
Chicago should also trade White to capitalise on his value. He's on a great contract and I don't think he's getting much better than he already is, just give Giddey the ball, surround him with young shooters and build around that. Even if he isn't the main man going forward I think he'll definitely be a very good connector piece if you can get either a wing or a big as your franchise player
I think the trade would be a lot better if they had squeezed a couple 1sts out of okc
Could definitely see mark & presti using Caruso in a bigger trade
Josh Giddey most improved đ
I don't like it because the bulls now have 2 ball dominant guards with giddey and coby
the fuck it is. Coby White is about to be the 3rd(maybe 4th) ball handler on a team that wonât make the playoffs. his bulls career might as well be over. if i was him iâd request a trade.
Giddey averaged 16-8-6 in his second year at 20 years old before his minutes got tanked. Bad trade okc
The defender for offender trade
Cavs receive: Mikal Bridges
Nets receive: OKC war chest of picks
OKC receive: Jarrett Allen
Who says no?
Hey thatâs pretty good đđŸ
OKC
Needs to get his Bird right ;)
Was wondering why the first one got deleted đ
Same
error in the intro lol
đ yo go check on the bulls fans reactions tho they are not a fan of this trade
OKC's front office is so much better than Chicago's. OKC has a good, playoff-caliber team AND a stockpile of draft picks. They can keep adding talent through the draft or fill in gaps with trades. Of course, Chicago fans aren't happy, they just got worse. Chicago fans are just waiting to see how badly the team gets fleeced in the next round of trades.
Bc they are dumb they want a trade to happen and when it does they cry
ngl you lost me at "coby white and ayo are not elite shooters" bro they shot 40% from 3 last season where have you been?
I agree with most of what you said, but Jae crowder got you 2+ second round picks
Thunder didnât need another guard, they need big man depth
And j dub at pf at 6â5 is fucken crazy, it wonât work in the playoffs
THANKS OKCđđđđđ
@@t7-nba379 Williams ainât good tho đđ
Thank you for Carusođ Giddey is horrible
@@chancejanssen190Giddey will thrive with the Bulls
@@chancejanssen190you a fake okc fan lmaoo bc you would know that giddey was playing out of position which caused him to struggle đ
@@mikeysbusy Giddey couldnât adapt to off ball play. Heâs also a terrible defender and shooter.
Shai is not an elite defender lol we're just throwing it around now
Video 15 of requesting a Siblings Rebuild
No Giddey
This man didn't name one reason why adding giddy helps the Bulls yet graded the trade B đđđ Caruso straight up for a fucking bench player who won't fit the team. He said the bulls will rebuild but trading for giddy is better than draft picks. Htf does that make sense?
He can play make, not a good shooter but isnât bad, he isnât a great player but can help develop the younger guys. Good rebuild guy to have
Ritz for ritz
coby white not a good shooter? ok dude.
Malik means Kings.
Carushow the goat fit in any team
just read a post saying the bulls traded for Giddey so they can make the playoffs....
I think/hope they were being sarcastic. Giddey does making the Bulls better than Caruso.
@@jrmarcus trust me they're being for real
Josh giddey was bad with all of okc talent and u think bringing him to a worse situation (drastically). Is going to unlock his potential
He was playing out of position in okc which is why he played bad heâs running pg with bulls which will definitely unlock him
Chicago still stuck in the nba propaganda
u mean purgatory?
@@trvspvrkNot the worst typo haha
Okay? itâs obvious itâs gonna take time just like every other rebuild wtf
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@@mikeysbusyur delusional
Age of consent in Chicago is 17 Josh Giddey strikes again
Proven innocent but ok
@@mikeysbusyno he wasnât đ they dropped the case cause the family didnât want to cooperate. This is Josh Giddeyâs 2nd account huh
Zach Lavigne to the spurs
Spurs wouldn't want that
The Bulls front office wants to still contend so this is an awful trade for Chicago
Not a win-win trade this is a fleeced what are we talking about. Kot4q reaction explain why they were robbed in this trade.Chicago bulls draft trade is a D or F
Did the Bulls pay you to make this video?
Nah you just donât know basketball
How can you defend this from the Bulls perspective. Horrific trade, stop rationalizing it
Win-win
Hell no
But like Josh kiddey can only really pass
OKC really going off that Boston Celtics booprint
I fumbled that so hard lmao
Anyone who thinks this is a win for the Bulls is smoking good dope.
Saying all this like giddey not winning mip next season is crazy but ok
All praises to them outside the Chicago Bulls have ripped off Oklahoma thunder a young talented player a point God true point God you figure it out later laughing out loud Patrick Williams is going to be re-signed hopefully not traded because the book trade all their undeveloped young players, and they All Star, letâs go Bulls
I guarantee giddey will get booed to start the season next year. Heâs not a fan favorite and nobody respects him. As a bulls fan I refuse to root for him.
As a bulls fan Iâm just sad
We trade my favorite player for one of the least liked guys in the league who canât shoot or play defense and we didnât even get any picks
Ah yes, a "win-win". Trading one of the best defensive guards for Willy Wonka the sex offender.
Ainât no way đ
But you arenât wrong
Americans are so weird abt sex. They are both above the age of consent stop crying abt itâŠ.
Except Giddey was never charged with anything and smart people know the girl lied, but hey you do you hopefully nobody tries to ruin your life with a lie.
@rc2788 haha, okay R Kelly
@@rileymcphee9429 Speaking the truth doesn't make me R Kelly, you're kind of bad at comebacks dude.
Shai is not a elite defender plz stop this narrative
A minooooorrrr