The New Yamaha DX7 Patches
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- These banks showcase the true capability of the DX7. No more spending hours going through banks to find the right sound. The DX7 is a truly remarkable synth which can rival modern VL synths. The realism of many of the sounds comes from the 6 operators of the DX7 responding differently to velocity levels, so the sound is dynamic as an acoustic instrument. The patches go far beyond the "canned" samples sound of the ROMplers of the period. more If these patches came out in the 80's they my have changed history.
The sounds can be found at www.offthematrix.net/product-...
The video effects were created with Pinnacle Studio 24 - Hudba
This honestly shows how the DX7 was really never used to it's fullest potential, I really wish Yamaha would re-release the Yamaha DX7 and not as a reface, but as a MIDI 2.0 compliant DX7
The new full sized opsix is pretty much the new modern Dx7. It’s priced the same as OG $2k. It looks amazing tbh
@@nickrose3074😂 not even close. First, ADSR envelopes are no replacement to the envelope generators dx7 had.
@@dpalaoro So true. My Montage is as close as I can get to the original. And I've spent almost 4 days on a friend's opsix to show for it.
With polyphonic AT!!
@@nickrose3074 also no it'd not the same price as the original was back in the day? im confused by what you meant bu this comment
Just received my DX7 IID, I had a new one in the late eighties and sold (Stupid) Stumbled across this video, just purchased! Thanks!
Those are the first DX7-sounds without DX7-sound. Amazing!❤
No 1st brass sound is typical FM Brass but reverb makes it more realistic.
I'm a hardcore FM DX sounddesigner too... I've build so many new FM patches with my DX7, SY77/99, TX802 e.g. FM has so massive possibilities... best synthesis, no doubt.
Great job!
I just bought the patches...having purchased my DX7 in 1984 (and still having it!), I did some programming in my days -
But these sounds here are truly excellent! Worth every Dollar. Well done!!
Immediately purchased these! My god! I knew my DX7 (mk2, actually) was versatile, but this just blows everything I've heard out of the water!! Incredible!! I second and third everyone here who said they would love a book/video series from you demystifying FM synthesis and would certainly pay good money for it, too!
It's a more than an excellent job, congratulations!
And for those who don't own a real DX7 the Dexed plugin is free and perfectly read DX's sysex.
Really well done. The brass, guitar and harp sounds are particularly impressive.
And the oboe.
Really nice sounds! Shows what the DX7 was capable of (I still find it amazing that all this rich diversity of sounds was created through modulating purely sine waves!).
Amazing ! With your work, the DX7 reborns. A new perception of his abilities.
Appreciate the passion and hard work on these patches!
Great work!
FM synthesis! I am so glad I had the Yamaha v50 instead of the Korg M1. At times i felt jealous of the Korg's realism but when I think of how I was able to program my own sounds and the amazing Electric Piano sound was brilliant on the V50. WIll definitely get these patches and load into Dexed. I might even try the other soft synth others mentioned as well
Amazing job with these sounds! It breathes a new life into my beloved DX7.
Really shows what FM is capable off - Thanks for sharing these!
Amazing how much more natural you made it sound! Bless you.
Excellent patches! Thanks 👍🏻
Great patches. I also love the red felt strip. Gotta get one of those on mine. It looks so classy.
I actually used to hate DX7/FM-sounds in general in the 80s. Now I like the classic sounds and see the potential of it. Atcually got a MODX now. And I love it. Verry nice programming. Amazing result. Congrats !!
Great sounds- beautifully done
Brilliant work!
Wow, these sound incredible!
Absolutely amazing patch design.
I'm a Korg man, myself having used the excellent OPsix and the featured MOD7 FM engine in my workstation. This was crazy impressive though, it sounds like you've really tried to push DX7 to its limits. Great sound!
un suono incredibile. fantastico lavoro, bravi.
FINALLY someone who knows how to program the DX7 and maximize its capabilities. The factory patches are so underwhelming. Excellent. I have a SuperMAX+ modchip which adds even more functionality to my DX7, and it's a astounding. I can make convincing "analog" pads by stacking and detuning voices. It also can do delay by retriggering voices. Those are only some of the features it adds.
Very nice. The SY77/ SY99 also have amazing FM only patches.
And you can load all these matrix sounds as well, after conversion.
These are incredible.
Great brain trickery with the 3d space and sharp detail
I liked the bass and pad sounds best, good job! My former band mate bought a DX7 when it first came out and he still has it.
I'm gonna buy this right away! :D
How good are these sounds !
Great stuff! Sounds wonderful on my Chipsynth OPS7.
One thing though. I think Bank 1-10 FX Guitar is a really good piano sound. But why is it named ”FX Guitar”?
Amazing patches! They all sound so good!
For as famous as Yamaha's FM synth keyboards are, they've scarcely been used to their fullest potential - as far as programming goes. It didn't matter; some of the DX7s presets are all over hits from the 80s but still... having tried my hand at programming on the SY77, I saw the potential for the sounds it could produce. Suffice to say, it's hard as hell to do and I'm still, wrapping my head around it. When I got my SY77, I didn't have a grasp on analog synths, either, so I was coming in "blind" to the whole thing. After messing around with some of Arturia's synth VSTs, I've come to realize that FM synth sounds are best used as "presets" because programming them isn't something that is done "live". Granted, I could see, assigning some parameters to some foot pedals and mod wheels but that's merely for expression and not creating, new patches.
FM synth is it's own thing and capable of a whole lot. The SY77 advanced FM synthesis, AWM2 (Advanced Wave Memory 2) and ability to mix the two sources, as well as 3 feedback sources per oscillator and being able to route the FM through a configurable filter...means that people may never use it to it's fullest capabilities/it's still capable of creating, new, fresh, music.
My DX7 has a SuperMAX+ modchip that allows me to mix/morph patches with mod wheel/expression pedal/velocity/etc. It's wild and can "create" some beuatiful sounds (and some painfully loud screeching noises too lol). It adds lots of other features like delay, arpeggation, stacking, better MIDI, more storage, etc.
Really nice work. I bought the patches.
You should consider writing a book on how to wrangle FM synthesis.
Seconded. A book on achieving these kinds of results with FM synthesis would be gold.
Or really just some videos on your approach. There's a gap between people wildly experimenting with FM, and people who only go through the basic theory here on youtube.
John Chowning's book!
I especially like the realistic sounds. Would have been even more ground breaking back then… before we had tons sample libraries of gb’s
Awesome sounds, frequency responce, texture, space...
Ese DX7 flotando en el espacio es una preciosidad.
Gracias
Magnificent!
Absolutely loved this. Would love any sort pf tutorial on how to make a patch as good as this/sound design. Subbed and thanks
holy shit...this is incredible...
Going to get them in Dexed and on a Volca FM2. Very cool
My god these patches are truly sublime ! Yamaha should hire you to program sounds for the DX7 reissue.. I miss my old DX7IIFD :)
Thanks for the encouragement! I making video with a demo song with the DX7 patches. I'm thinking of adding comments in the video. Could I use yours?
sure mate no problem !@@offthematrix5310
Those patches are amazing! Great job with that. I always thought the factory patches sucked and that the UI was pretty difficult to get around in, compared to analog synths like a Juno-60 (which I ended up with.)
As to the famous "FOUR DAYS" claim. I know one of the original programmers has claimed exactly that (I think in an interview in Keyboard Mag, and maybe somewhere else). I'm sure there was some high-profile phase of the project that was four days. But I suspect a huge amount of the work was done in earlier phases as well. This could include 1) using patches from previous generations of Yamaha FM instruments as starting points, 2) pre-developing patches either on such previous-gen hardware or more likely on test mules and pre-production synths, 3) the engineering team's "test crash dummy" patches that the hardware was literally designed around.
I recall an interview where they said the original GOAL was to make the patches in just 4 days, but they ended up spending some weeks in Japan to actually create all of them.
@@anttihuovilainen1653 Oh hey, I recognize your name! The Finnish synth software mafia! 😀 Anyway I was a synth fan in the latter 1980s and started studying Japanese so I could potentially join Korg Roland or Yamaha. I ended up working in Japan starting Jan 1992, but in a Unix computer company (Omron/Data General). My experience in tech business in Japan in 1991 might not reflect highly on Japan tech business in 1982/1983. That was a LOOONG decade of progress for Japan and technology. But, in my experience, there's no way a company like Yamaha would bet the company on a four day business trip. A synth is only as good as its presets. (At least the DX7 was, with its FM/PM synthesis.) The funny thing was that after a few years in Japan, I moved to Switzerland and learned good German as well as Japanese and made my own very powerful synth software. Then when Korg opened a development group in Berlin I applied but they didn't even care to respond personally. Oh well, I'm sure they found better people than someone who spoke German and Japanese and changed their entire life around trying to join a Japanese synth company. Oh well! What are you doing, are you in academia now or in industy?
4:11 *KILLER WORK*
Okay, I (pretty much always) have to go against the crowd on this one. I couldn't agree with more with the observations that these patches demonstrate next-level skill, artistry, and painstaking attention to detail -- that feels to me at least, IDK, underutilized maybe? I'm an old guitarist and FX/amp tech and I'll argue up and down that a well designed electric guitar rig is the most broadly expressive instrument ever. (Spend an afternoon listening to the Edge's right hand).
Before the DX, a technician could program a sequencer, and train a roadie to replace them live. But here's a true performance instrument, one that needs a skilled musician to get the real-time nuance of a live performance with other musicians.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that in the last 20 years, the keyboards have gone off the charts with realism. I've seen pianos with 12 samples per key that calculate the harmonics of other keys interacting. Unreal how real they sound. Sadly, the DX will never get close. Why try? The best pure musicians push their instrument to get it to do things no other instrument, or instrumentalist can. With rare exceptions (Tom Morello emulating DJ scratching), it's not by working to make it sound like something that already exists.
Sorry. Again, you've really done something amazing and I'm not trying to dismiss your work. Just an old man shaking his fist at the clouds.
Very often I'm not happy with samples of instruments. Because often they sound thin and they don't respond in timbre to velocity and BC. So FM still has some advantages over sampling. I just made a video about layer FM with piano samples that explains more. Actually, I'm working on a sample library too.
I recommend using Ops7 as a DX7 synth because of its outstandingly detailed sound generation, and you can stack/layer patches with it, like a Dx7 II. Ops7 truly is THE most authentic sounding among the others like Dexed, Arturia Dx7 V, Fm8..
100% agree. I have all the main DX VST’s and OPS7 is the clear winner. I’ve also owned various DX7’s since the late 80’s
Wow. The horn and the oboe blew me away. I assume key scale level was used to change tones on the fly, but I don't know what else was used.
There's reverb in the demonstrations though? DX7 by itself doesn't have reverb, so I assume you used external reverb?
If they could make sounds this good with a DX7, Imagine what they could do with an Opsix.
Just wow :)
The greatest DX7 sounds in the history of the DX7!!
That Rhodes is strangely convincing.
A little taken aback by comparing the Rhodes with the famous DX7 electric piano, I love them both but for very different reasons (the DX7 one made me close my eyes).
Great, great inspiring patches.
Those slowly developing ones are impressive, they really convey emotion (props to the player too) and there's much in those icey/metal high areas to accentuate with equalized reverbs - or not.
Are they all fit for the old brown one in regard to finer tuning capabilities featured on the later models?
Most of the patches were actually created on a TX802.
Nice
Makes me thankful that I can load DX7 patches into my K2700.
please make a demo of the sy77 bank!
I have a Kurzweil PC4. Inside this insturment I have8 DX7's -which uses all waveform(sawtooth ,square , so on)or use the many sampled rom of the the kurz itself , make this 8 DX7s into seperate layers- - I truly am in DX7 heaven!
Hey, this is incredible. Are all these sounds just coming from the DX7?
And will these work well on the DX7iiFD?
Yes, they will work with the DX7IIFD
The level of realism these patches approach is extremely impressive. The oboe patch in particular kind of blew me away. Would love to hear your take on an acoustic piano patch, notoriously difficult to really nail with FM.
I took on the piano and found it impossible to get the higher overtones for the mid to high range. But was able to get it sound like a grand in the low end. I'm going to make a video on how to layer the DX7 with piano samples.
Long live the Mk1 DX7
Bought and tried them in Dexed (sold my DX7) where they work fine.
Wind instruments were the most impressive, although they basically sounded like sampler instruments lol. Some of the other stuff was interesting, but I felt like it sounded too analog for the DX. Good work though.
Any effects added on your patches? I think you could make a very informative video about how you constructed that oboe sound - imo that's the most interesting patch in here IF it it's not using any external effects
If you can program the DX7 this unbelievably skill fully have you considered making some patches for the FS1 R ?
Did you ever have a go at a acoustic piano sound? I've heard some pretty convincing, and more importantly very expressive piano patches on CZcams.
Yes, This past week I worked on a piano patch. It's real challenge to get a acoustic piano with FM. A video was made a few months ago on how to use FM for a stereo piano.
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Excellent foundation bass heavy Rhodes
At this point, my main reason for purchasing a DX7 would be if I thought I would discipline myself to generate patches like these on my own. As much as I still enjoy the sound of the classic 32 presets, I wouldn’t want this model only to play those sounds.
These patches sound great.
Do you have a demo of the TX81Z patches that are on your web site?
Next week a demo of the TX81z bass patches will be posted here.
Hi, I just bought the set and like it very much; even if I only use ten of the patches it's less than a dollar a patch, so it's well worth it. One question, though, the oboe in this video doesn't appear to be included...?
I also see there's a "chorale" patch in another video of yours that doesn't appear in the two sysex banks I downloaded.
Overall quality is great, though, and you could easily charge more. Just wanted to alert you to these minor discrepancies.
Just wondering what environment they were working in?? Im having a hard time thinking they were programming in the regular DX7 interface
The patches were programed on a TX802 which has a larger screen.
I paid, but was unable to download the patches from the website.
You think these can be loaded into Arturia?
with the rise of log drums in afrobeats and amapiano, i'd like to know if it has lot's of log drums.
Incredible work. It’s interesting now though that the DX (to me) is simply a collection of presets that evoke an era, and not something I expect to sound new or different. But I’ll buy it nonetheless. Look forward to hearing other patch collections. Maybe D50 next?
Same - nothing there leapt out and inspired me, but instead is just the sound of an era - much like the D50 you mention and things like the M1. You could say the same about the analogue sound as well - each has its place in history and each comes and goes. Right now, for me, the sweet spot is the Korg Minilogue XD with its 3rd digital oscillator. That thing can sound old and new, FM-like or analogue, quite incredible for its price.
fm technology is all around, it never left. the presets on the dx7 while true they were used heavily out of the box on many songs in the 80s, the fm technology went on through the 90s, 2000s, etc through other genres of music....and continues to.
Will they work on a DX9, as some of my DX7 syses patches do work with the DX9?
If the DX9 can loud the DX7 sysex, they will.
No, not fully. The DX9 only has 4 operators, as well as other limitations. The DX7 has 6 operators (in the simplest term, think of each operator as a sound source. 6 layered together will sound fuller and almost certainly better than just 4 layered together).
Will your DX7 patches also work for a Korg opsix?
I was able to load them in to the MOD-7 on a Korg with sysex, so as long as the opsix can load sysex.
Will these load up into the Yamaha MODX+ series?
If the MODX can load DX7 sysex files.
@@offthematrix5310 You'll need to convert them. There's an online converter on Yamaha's site.
Wow, loved the dynamic horn, analog pad, M1 patch and oboe...pretty much all of it. You should market these to FM8 users and extend the potential user base considerably. FM8 loads DX7 syses
FM8 VSTi is a joke compared with DX7 hardware synth. FM8 sounds flat, thin, and imported DX7 sounds are not very close to the original. Nevertheless, NI has stop development of FM8. Best DX emulation in these days: the new Halion 7 ! Thanks to Yamaha+Steinberg ❤
No, best DX7 emulation is Plogue's OPS7. Better than Dexed, (still has issues with envelopes and certain algorithms), better than Arturia's (takes too much CPU), better than HALion7 (which is close but not as close as OPS7, it's closer to the clean sound of FS1R without formant stuff than DX7, and yes that's with all three "emulation modes" tried out).
Will these patches work with DEXED, or only a real DX7?
Just loaded them into DEXED. They sound great!
Incredible! I guess future FM patches will be generated with a grain of artificial intelligence.
If I was a software developer for Yamaha, I’d allow users to record a sound, then perform an FFT analysis and set the FM engine accordingly. Ie. Replicate any other synth, not with samples, but the actual operators/envelopes etc. hard job, but that’s the beauty of computers! Instead they give us “smart morph” - urgh! Nice improvements! I’m an amateur FM sound designer myself.
I thought of the possibility of doing that but it would be extremely difficult to develop software that could accurately analyze a complex sound to reproduce in FM. It would likely need many more operators than the 6 of the DX7.
This task should be doable for a waveform snapshot (single cycle), but become very complicated if you want to recreate spectrum changes over time. Probably the idea would be to make a few of those snapshots (attack, decay, sustain etc.) and software could analyze and find possible matches between them to recreate timbral
changes (operator EGs).
For FS1R there is software that analyzes .wav file and generates FSEQ (formant sequence), but that is a bit different compared to multi-operator FM sound generation.
Bought immediately. Churlish not to.
Can these patches be loaded into the MODX?
I think so.
Woody Piano Shack did a MODX review when it came out and I think he showed that feature, but it’s been a while.
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The Dx7 is capable of strange metallic sounds too..not only acoustic instruments..
There are some great metallic patches in the new bank that there were no factory sounds to compare with.
@@offthematrix5310 I have the Korg volca FM..that reproduce the DX7 sound and compatibility. It's fantastic for metallic sounds..and make Electro music. For the pads I have the Roland D05..It 's a bomb😀
I’m curious if you know if these would work if loaded into the (4 operator) DX-11.
Would like to purchase them, if so.
No these patches won't. But there's 4 operator versions of most of the patches at the site. Some of the patches actually sound better on the DX11. I made a view of the different FM synths with demos of the sounds.
@@offthematrix5310 thanks! Checking out the site now!
Undeniably excellent. However to program 20 new patches on a 106 would take about 20 minutes.
Awesome sounds. Were these tried on the opsix? Would be so nice to see how they were made.. So little in depth FM material on youtube.
Isn’t the Volca FM more compatible to the DX7 than the Opsix?
As for the Opsix.. the patches have to be DX7 version 1.
I’m no expert but I think some DX7 compound waveforms can be substituted by using the waveforms in Opsix directly (saw, square) thus simplifying the Algorithms.
(From the Opsix manual:
Note that as the opsix and DX7 use different parameter configurations, the conversion will not be perfect, and some sounds might end up quite different from the way they sounded on the DX7.)
I was able to load the sysex files to a Korg Kronos as sysex files but it wasn't tested with the opsix.
The best thing to do is to use Dexed and see how they were built, then remake these on the Opsix. The parameters react much more intense on the Opsix. Operator volume has to be about the half, the feedback setting as well. It will still sound different, but with some tweaking here and there you can get pretty close. And if it's not close enough, just add some fx and unison sugar ;)
@@tehedx Ok thank you!
I don’t think the OpSix is DX7 compatible.
But yeah, Volca and Kronos/Nautilus can be. There is a “jumper” that Nautilus connects, that you have to clear, when you load a DX7 sysex patch, though. Their algorithm patch panel (screen / submenu) has a filter block which “shorts across” several operators unless you remove the little patch cord to it.
So the original patches were done in 4 days??!
That's the account Wikipedia gives.
@@offthematrix5310 Nice sounds, me likey! As to the "four days" story I wrote a longer comment on my view, from a decade of being an engineer in Japan and a decade of writing audio software. In short, 1) it is a well-known claim from an interview, but 2) I'd guess that quite a bit of work was done outside the "four day" window. I'm sure there was some stage of the project that was four days, and am not saying anyone's lying, but I'm guessing there was a LOT of prep done in earlier stages.
Probably a dumb question but will these work in dexed?
I'm not familiar with dexed but if can read DX7 sysex files, it will.
They do work in dexed. Just loaded them up and they work and sound great!
Man I hated the DX7 back in the day with its overused patches and no one seemed to care to program it. This makes me hate it less but it sound so dated still. An improvement though.
Nice work! These sound pack can be imported on any Yamaha DX7 VST emulation? Thanks in advance!
If the VST emulation can load a DX7 sysex file, it should.
THe only vst emulation that really sounds like a dx7 is plogue ops7 , it is bit accurate replicated .
Really worth it
@@WARDISWARD haven't u heard about dexed?
@@cookiemasta1658
I have used dexed since it's release and it's a fantastic dx7 emulation, but
plogue ops 7 is just more accurate .
@@WARDISWARD hmm never tried to compare both. but technically ops7 is kind of don't have good ui\ux.
2:18 remind me of daft punk
Sound good but i'd rather hear synthetic tones than recreations of real instruments, i know the DX can do much more.
Aren’t these synthetic tones?
hi
The sounds are amazing, but it is such a pity that they are mono
Awesome. Makes me wonder what AI could achieve with a DX7 if it kept trawling permutations and asked your opinion.
All sound should have NO effects to be true to the DX7 ...Should be hearing these sounds raw!
Era defining sounds with a huge cult factor VERSUS well meant but commercial sounding insignificance.
back then it sounded sublime as there was no competition and options
today its sounding so fuckin cheesy....would'nt use those sounds even for a video game
you do not really have to do the "versus" thing. it is a huge time-suck. just do your own sounds.