Comparing 5X14 Chrome over Brass and Chrome over Aluminum snare drums. What sound do you prefer?
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- Äas pĹidĂĄn 7. 07. 2024
- In the last #snaresaturday video, I compared 2 different chrome over brass snare drums - one being 5X14, and the other 6.5X14. Well in this upcoming video, I'm going to compare a vintage late 60s Ludwig Supraphonic LM400, to a modern-day Ludwig Chrome over Brass LB400BT snare. THE vintage snare sound or a modern build, which is better?
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00:00 - Intro
01:04 - Drums in this video
03:31 - Ludwig 6.5X14 Chrome over Brass LB402B Giveaway
05:48 - Low Tuning
08:13 - Medium-Low Tuning
09:55 - Medium Tuning
11:37 - Medium-High Tuning
13:11 - High Tuning
14:58 - Cranked Tuning
17:42 - Tuning Differences
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Comparing 5X14 Chrome over Brass and Chrome over Aluminum snare drums. What sound do you prefer?
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Me personally the 60's LM400.
It's got a great sound for sure! What did you hear with the lm400 that made it the winner?
I had to keep my eyes on the text to see if my biases were in line with my ears. I was wrong 40% of the time after two listen throughs. The only one I was confident about, and also right, was choosing COB on medium-high tuning as my fav. I'd choose the COB, but I would not bet much money on it.
Pretty wild being that they're different sells, and from different eras. One things for certain, with them being so close to one another it's safe to say whatever is available for cheaper would be the one to get!
Chrome over brass - Medium/high tuning. It brings out the snap and body at the same time.
Chrome over aluminum - Medium tuning. It was surprisingly warmer sounding.
Great job getting them to the same pitch! I donât have a metallic snare yet, but this video for sure enlightened me. Thanks Nick!!! đŤĄđ¤đť
Thatâs the best part about both drums. Kind-of opposites, yet both work for different reasons. Definitely canât go wrong with either in your collection.
Thank you for the kind words, @platupla - appreciate you taking time to watch and comment! đĽ đĽ
I thought the COB had a slightly longer note and more low end, while the COA was drier but slightly superior in the high end. Strangely enough, I preferred the COA at medium, and the COB at higher tunings - I guess the shell made up for whatever the tuning didn't emphasize, to result in a more balanced sound? I dunno. However, at low tunings, the COB's extra fatness made it the superior choice. It's a subtle difference though, they're both great.
Totally, @jc3drums916 - brass is known for having a longer sustain and darker overtone compared to aluminum. Maybe that's why the COA sounded slightly drier. Safe to say you can't go wrong with either drum, and both sound great!
Hi Nick, another fun, well made, well played and informative video! Iâve heard you say a few times that the brass drum is heavier and that will usually be the case. I just want to quantify for you, brass is fully 3 times the density of alum, so a brass drum that is at all similar in thickness will always be significantly heavier! In this case, the hoops only amplify that difference.
Funny you mention adjusting the tuning at the end of the higher tunings to bring the brass up to the aluminum in pitch. My perception on the video was that with the 3 highest tunings the brass sounded noticably higher in pitch. I find that, drums being indefinite in pitch with so many overtones, that my hearing of pitch sometimes matches others, and sometimes not. Seems we each grab on to different overtones and such, differently.
Having watched your excellent series and some other content recently on this topic, I am finding that snare drums to not sound near as different as we like to think they do. One of these was even comparing a wood snare to a Supra. Assuming they are round and flat, it seems to me that head and damping choice, tuning and playing technique are infinitely more influential to the sound of a snare drum than the particular snare being played. Even number of snare wires, Iâve seen comparos there where you just canât hear any difference, or extremely minor, until the number is very low, like 10 strands or fewer. I still hang on to the idea that bearing edge shape and snare bed shape might have a little more influence, but in your case those are probably equal.
Between these, I hear just a bit more tonal purity to the ring/ sustain of the brass, with the alum having broader overtone spectrum there. It also seemed like the alum tended to have ever so slightly more sustain in the ring, possibly due to the heavier hoops.
Thanks again!
Appreciate the insightful comment - thanks, @jeremyschneider9531 !
As for the tuning - I was talking about how the pitch was higher on aluminum with the same 1/4 or 1/2 turn. Although the top heads had the same pitch, like you said you could definitely hear there was a difference in pitch - mainly due to overtones from each drum. Why those overtones happen, well maybe due to shell, hoop, even the gaskets on the lugs for the COB and not on the supra? Not too sure.
Appreciate you checking out the vid, and leaving such a great comment!
My Supra LM402 is 90's I believe. Doesn't have the gaskets in the lugs. But they are the modern hoops. I may look into getting thinner hoops, which I had never considered for any snare I have. Wondering if that's the difference. I've heard they let them breathe a little better.
It should have 2.3mm hoops. The thinner hoops help the drum breathe, though they can dent if youâre someone who does rim shots like I do. Definitely worth experimenting with!
@@NickCostaMusic I have to look through what I have too. I've stripped some cheap drums down for parts in the past. I might have at least a top hoop that is thinner. Now I wish I kept the hoops from that Sunlite snare I threw out đ
I use 1.6 mm on most my snares. I buy a lot used for almost nothing. Iâll straighten them, buff off chrome and rust, then clear coat them. They look cool and I love the feel. Always use Hendrix washers on every drum. I have some die cast on lighter maple drums to add weight. Right now I took all the aluminum die cast hoops off my Yamaha maple hybrid kit AMA testing 1.6, maybe no flange next. But dude those Yamaha hoops are hella light and stiff. Donât muffle the drums.
@@toddcapiton6285 thanks man! I appreciate the advice. I have some lying around, just have to go through the pile. I must have at least one 1.6.
Gaskets do nothing really, look cool mostly, and can protect some wooden shells from dents (under the lugs though). Good if you ever want to change lugs to tube, etc. The leather ones look cool. But use pleather please lol. I made some blue plastic ones for a tama steel snare I re built and painted matte black, used blue Hendrix washers (rule) and blue snare cord. Looked pretty cool. Added die cast hoops, tube lugs and a trick strainer. Doing it over again now lol. 1st drum kit I bought in early 80âs. Got a new red tama badge, got rid of the ugly steel lines, gonna paint it like a flat green grey.
Finally got a 70âs acrolite in ok shape. Next project. Think Iâm gonna polish it, add imperial lugs. Not sure
Blindfolded it would be tough to tell which was which. Might be different in person but even with headphones I struggled .... and got it wrong :-)
Totally understandable, and that's ok! Sounds like this video showed the differences are minimal to your ear, so whatever is cheaper would be the drum to go for...at least that's what I would do
Typical of LUDWIGâŚboth great sound..
Could not agree more!
Way too similar to pick one over the other. The difference between two snares where the only difference is metal type is negligible
Totally valid! So the next question is, do they have a good sound?
Please get your ears checked, With that kind of statement, I have both and they are drastically Different in every way.
@@vincentquattrocchi7924 and the two in this video? Do you seriously think that theyâre âdrastically different?â
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I think it's safe to say we all can find videos that prove our point over the other. Case in point, Cole Paramore's video with 4 different Ludwig toms that are the same depth, diameter, hardware, and finish. czcams.com/video/2DbD1fe4iHE/video.htmlsi=n5o-M6KvkpndJuVf
You can hear a difference between them - different sustains, attack, even the overtones vary.
@@NickCostaMusic just like he says in the video, they all sound; and I quote: âVERYâŚSIMILAR â