I can't believe I found this theory. The community has been avoiding the obvious for a long time. The Crying Child has always been Sans and they just won't accept it.
I think one of the funniest things that also comes out of this is if you look at the Crying Child's entry in the Character Encyclopedia his name is listed as "The Crying Child", and unlike Burntrap and what we used to call the Blob's entrees, he doesn't have a disclaimer saying that his name "The Crying Child" isn't cannon; ya' know implying that is his cannon name. So really one of 4 things probably happened: 1, "The Crying Child" could just be some sorta nickname he picked up, 2 Crying Child was never supposed to have a name to begin with, 3 William didn't want his son to be happy so he though "The Crying Child" was a funny name, or 4 we are all just so stupid we never actually found his name and Scott just gave up and deleted his name from existence.
Sans is actually older than Papyrus, but other than that, the similarities are honestly really funny. Until we get a legitimate confirmation, this is my new headcanon.
A comment from Scott 4 years ago: "I don't know anything about the fanbases not getting along, but I'm a big fan of Toby Fox. His music is amazing, and both of my older sons were obsessed with Undertale for a long time!" His two main beta testers were obsessed with Undertale for a long time by 2019. So it's not just the recent comment from about a month ago. Sans Afton even more CONFIRMED!
To my knowledge, the "Chris" name spawned from tumblr fanart and comics. I believe it's supposed to be a play on the word, well, "cry". The fan name spread like wildfire, and even tricked a part of the fanbase into thinking it was his actual name.
It's like when one part of fanbase came up with the name Winston for a purple guy and for some time it was used to name the character, untill the book came out and we got William
Without really knowing the "EVAN" logic, the fact that it's a four-letter name and that no one could ever easily explain how they found it (let alone show it being confirmed) was always kinda suss. Like, the shorter a string of characters is, the easier it is for them to come up by coincidence. So if someone wanted to encode them, they'd either need a really solid method for finding them; or they'd need to have them come up repeatedly, to affirm that it's intentional (or, more ideally, both). We always do run into the problem of "Okay, but what if the puzzle is also sloppily designed", but with Scott so often saying that he will clarify things in following games... I just wonder why people think the games have never confirmed this if it's actually meant to be true.
That is kind of the thing - that it doesn't matter. tbh given how Scott deals with these things, even if his name turns out to be Cassidy or something, it's like... okay, but does that mean he's *that* Cassidy, or are we just farting around again?
Finally, someone understands my theory! But, in all seriousness, I think that a possible contender for CC's real name is Dave. Evan. Change the N to a D and you get Evad, which is Dave backwards. William used Dave Miller as a fake name, which he might have done in honor of his lost son.
lol. You know, I've been playing with the idea of creating a satirical fnaf theory channel for awhile, disguised as a real fnaf theory channel, to see how far I could push it before being found out.
I can't believe the Crying Child is Sans, Toby Fox must've been working with Scott this whole time. This will truly effect FNAF Lore for the rest of eternity.
I almost made this point in one of the drafts, but that was when my Mic was shorting out and so I forgot it wasn’t in the final video until it was done and I had nowhere to put it.
I feel like a good part of the fnaf community wouldn't get satire. I'm glad the sans thing was a bit and you are pointing out the holes with whole logbook name shenanigans.
What if in the fnaf lore undertale is canon as a video game that exists in the fnaf universe, and if the crying child didn't die after all, he would grow up to love playing undertale and his favorite character would've been sans.... i call this canon
I love how this a big ol’ smack to the FNAF lore showing how everything can easily be proven/disproven and that the child’s name could be chad afton for all we know
I've given up trying to find an actual name 💀🤚🤚 I just go with "wasd" because that's what the first FNaF 4 minigame showed, so what if it's a tutorial on how to move? it's the closest canon thing we have
The theory of all time. Seriously though I say it’s Luis. Going off the code that Matpat found and rearranging the letters he first found off said code, you get Luis GF (golden freddy). If you’re wondering, yes it’s the same code that leads to Cassidy.
I came into this thinking MatPat must’ve done something to prompt this video since he’s infamously the Sans is Ness guy. I didn’t expect you to go after the whole fandom
In a book of FNAF there is a speech of Jeremy Fritzjerald after FNAF 2 and It reveals that he isn't the BV of 87, but idk, i dont remember what book is xd
I do think that the Evan connection in the Fazbear Frights book actually is very good evidence that the Crying Child's name, at least at that point in time, was intended to be Evan, especially given that the name had already been discovered by the community years ago, it was probably an easter egg meant to confirm it. Also I do think it's possible the puzzle in the Security Logbook was meant to yield Evan and it was just messed up. It makes too much sense for the logbook to be intended to reveal the Crying Child's name.
I’m pretty sure the name wasn’t discovered years before Fright’s book. If I remember correctly it was discovered and then because of the book shortly after it was considered confirmed unless I’m mixing up dates in my head. Not to mention it only works under parallel theories, and the problem with that is under parallels Andrew is Cassidy and Jake is BV. So shouldn’t his name be Jake if anything? Why would it be his dad’s name? Also Andrew has a different name from Cassidy so why would the BV’s parallel’s dad’s name be the same as the BV’s? And then. There’s stitchline games which this doesn’t work with at all.
@@siresquawks >So shouldn’t his name be Jake if anything? Why would it be his dad’s name? Ahem. Timejutsu(tm). Clearly, CC fell in a Magic Ballpit, and it did Ball Pit Things to him.
Eva ibbotson the beasts of clawstone castle features a character that looks extremely close to sans. I guess that must mean the bite victim is actually a novel character turned to game character like his dad.
FUN FACT : i had a dream that bv became sans edit : also i was talking to someone about the name chris and we agreed they were takin from "crying child" and added the s cuz that makes an actuall name and we just started to call bv CHRI
It would make the narrative so much simpler if Bite Victim was Cassidy. Like, not the two souls idea; just literally the child who cried too much and the one you should not have killed just being the same person. Fan-theory / Fanfic-ish wise the one opening I do see for it is if Afton pulled the plug on his own son. In FNAF4, Crying Child / Bite Victim flatlines in the hospital. Did he really eventually die, or did his father consent to removing life-support? Is the line; "I will put you back together" a f***'ed up father standing there as the lines are pulled, with the intention of taking his dead son down to the bunker to do a bit of Dreadbear necromancy? The spirit not dying with vengeance, but becoming vengeful over time as it's not allowed to rest / pass on, but is instead kept.
I concur. Cassidy is gender neutral and just means 'curly hair' anyway. And William 'putting him back together' could mean many things and none of them are pleasant.
EVA is a reference to Neon Genesis Evangelion: the Crying Child's tormented by (the actions of) his father, we never see his mother and she very likely got cloned (Ballora), they both get betrayed by older people whom they trusted, and they're both constantly miserable, the CC's name is clearly Shinji Ikari
Between all the evidence in this vid, and the fact that Scott literally named MatPat’s character in the movie Ness, I’m officially making this theory a part of my own head canon. Honestly, it would be pretty funny if Scott made the name of one of the most theorized about characters a massive troll against MatPat
6:25 They weren't counting it by individual color, but by how they were grouped in the image/layout. One balloon, then five, then 3, then 2, then 2, then 3.
Te empecé a seguir sin saber que eras mexa jajaja. El cariño que el cast y el equipo de producción demostró por ésta película desde hace meses me convenció de verla, y verdaderamente se hace notar. Espero que el boca en boca haga su trabajo y tenga la suficiente recaudación para no ser considerada un fracaso como tantas predicciones anuncian.
in reality, the crying child is the scout from tf2, as scout himself had died from the bite of 87, and both the child and scout's names are jeremy, so in theorem, the crying child could verywell be a connector to how the scout had infact joined mannco despite the frontal lobe being missing, which in turn would also potentially connect the crying child's father to the spy from tf2 aswell.
8:48 So, we have: Lucas Grant as Garrett, and Grant Feely as what seems to be a male spirit of the Fredbear animatronic... I wonder which Grant is the Crying Child. And name-wise, I'd say Crying Child is possibly Sammy. And, iIrc, the Foxy Grid gave the letters: E, V, A, and D, spelling Dave.
This makes so much sense. Especially after you realize Sans stands for Scryingchild After Not Surviving
Sadchild After Not Surviving
@@Max_The_FlowerSad About Not Surviving
Lol
Sobbyboy after not surviving
Nice references
Finally, the true successor to the sans is ness theory
Now we give FNAF to the Pope
steven after not surviving
Now we need GTLive to react and confirm this theory :)
The crying child is ness
i can't believe we missed the crying child's iconic line, "hey guys its me sans undertale"
Wait you didn't go down that dialogue branch
Needs more asterisk.
I can't believe I found this theory. The community has been avoiding the obvious for a long time. The Crying Child has always been Sans and they just won't accept it.
I feel Matpat would believe this 100%.
To further this point, "Sans" spelt backwards is "Snas" which the crying child is clearly dripped out and snazzy
I mean, we never seen CC and Sans in the same place... Something to think about.
I think one of the funniest things that also comes out of this is if you look at the Crying Child's entry in the Character Encyclopedia his name is listed as "The Crying Child", and unlike Burntrap and what we used to call the Blob's entrees, he doesn't have a disclaimer saying that his name "The Crying Child" isn't cannon; ya' know implying that is his cannon name.
So really one of 4 things probably happened: 1, "The Crying Child" could just be some sorta nickname he picked up, 2 Crying Child was never supposed to have a name to begin with, 3 William didn't want his son to be happy so he though "The Crying Child" was a funny name, or 4 we are all just so stupid we never actually found his name and Scott just gave up and deleted his name from existence.
yeah but the character encyclopedia has so many errors i dont think its reliable
Imagine your parents naming you The Crying Child.
"Bruh, stop crying so fucking loud,"
"I'm gonna name ya 'The Crying Child' if ya keep doing that."
@@WalterUndergooy honey if the bloke doesn't stop crying I'm making it "The Cr'ing ch'l"
No, we have to hold up the page to a mirror to get the answer.
Sans is actually older than Papyrus, but other than that, the similarities are honestly really funny. Until we get a legitimate confirmation, this is my new headcanon.
Yeah I was about to comment the same thing, height does not equate age. They are monsters for as well.
In my mind they are twins.
A comment from Scott 4 years ago: "I don't know anything about the fanbases not getting along, but I'm a big fan of Toby Fox. His music is amazing, and both of my older sons were obsessed with Undertale for a long time!" His two main beta testers were obsessed with Undertale for a long time by 2019. So it's not just the recent comment from about a month ago. Sans Afton even more CONFIRMED!
Yes let’s goooo!
I remember making a similar crack theory ages ago that CC was Isaac from The Binding of Isaac
Wait he's not?
To my knowledge, the "Chris" name spawned from tumblr fanart and comics. I believe it's supposed to be a play on the word, well, "cry". The fan name spread like wildfire, and even tricked a part of the fanbase into thinking it was his actual name.
It's like when one part of fanbase came up with the name Winston for a purple guy and for some time it was used to name the character, untill the book came out and we got William
@@Starving_indev lol yeah, this was a common thing
Without really knowing the "EVAN" logic, the fact that it's a four-letter name and that no one could ever easily explain how they found it (let alone show it being confirmed) was always kinda suss. Like, the shorter a string of characters is, the easier it is for them to come up by coincidence. So if someone wanted to encode them, they'd either need a really solid method for finding them; or they'd need to have them come up repeatedly, to affirm that it's intentional (or, more ideally, both).
We always do run into the problem of "Okay, but what if the puzzle is also sloppily designed", but with Scott so often saying that he will clarify things in following games... I just wonder why people think the games have never confirmed this if it's actually meant to be true.
I mean the “confirming things in later games” thing is easily explained with, his name doesn’t matter, the story is still the same
I mean, Evan is easier to say and type so I just feel it's never been worth arguing over
@@hioman - I guess. But people are still going to argue because FNAF.
That is kind of the thing - that it doesn't matter. tbh given how Scott deals with these things, even if his name turns out to be Cassidy or something, it's like... okay, but does that mean he's *that* Cassidy, or are we just farting around again?
They found it in the security log book of one of the fnaf books
7:35
Jeremy has to be the bite victim because he's the Scout from Team Fortress 2!
I was so confused as to why he didn't point this out
I always knew Sans was so strong he could be apart of other universes.
He’s finally a real theorist, I’m so proud
Finally, someone understands my theory! But, in all seriousness, I think that a possible contender for CC's real name is Dave. Evan. Change the N to a D and you get Evad, which is Dave backwards. William used Dave Miller as a fake name, which he might have done in honor of his lost son.
didn't Dave Miller come from day shift at freddy's?
It’s also from the books
@@bricktonmcbricks3969 good ol willy also used that fake name in the books. also dsaf is a legendary game
@@bricktonmcbricks3969DAVE IS THE CRYING CHILD CONFIRMED, OLD SPORT!?
@@WGY_Gamesthe crying child grew up and befriend orange guy (jack)
His name is Nass. Theory debunked.
I hope Scott gose out of his way to confirm this just to mess with people
People who get angry at this theory don't want to know the truth
Wait a second, Monty is green and alligators are usually known for living in swamps. Do you who’s also green and lives in a swamp?
Shrek
Finally: Sans Afton
matthew patthew if he knew how to make theories:
lol.
You know, I've been playing with the idea of creating a satirical fnaf theory channel for awhile, disguised as a real fnaf theory channel, to see how far I could push it before being found out.
You should do it
Do it
I too have thought hard about this. Can I help?
I can't believe the Crying Child is Sans, Toby Fox must've been working with Scott this whole time. This will truly effect FNAF Lore for the rest of eternity.
Yeah, would that mean that pizza place in Deltarune is a FNaF reference?
Sans, the word, means 'without', for example. Sans Frontal Lobe, without frontal lobe.
I almost made this point in one of the drafts, but that was when my Mic was shorting out and so I forgot it wasn’t in the final video until it was done and I had nowhere to put it.
@@siresquawks Alr.
I have a sans frontal lobe it's just not the sane sand
@@siresquawks Truly a terrible loss. Dont lose your head now...
Imagine that is the actual crying child's name
*this is a certified Game theory moment*
I feel like a good part of the fnaf community wouldn't get satire. I'm glad the sans thing was a bit and you are pointing out the holes with whole logbook name shenanigans.
And I discovered Sans, upon pillars of salt
And pillars of salt
And pillars of salt
Steven After Not Surviving
honestly i love the jeremy one because its sort of funny and makes sense sort of lmaoo. its my personal headcanon for cc's name
So if Evan is Sans and Sans is Nes, Evan must be Nes
And Ness is Vanessa, so Evan is Vanessa.
What if in the fnaf lore undertale is canon as a video game that exists in the fnaf universe, and if the crying child didn't die after all, he would grow up to love playing undertale and his favorite character would've been sans.... i call this canon
We did it, boys. Let's pack it up. FNAF is finally solved
Was that the bad time of 87!
I love how this a big ol’ smack to the FNAF lore showing how everything can easily be proven/disproven and that the child’s name could be chad afton for all we know
Holy hell. How did we all overlook this? It makes too much sense. Thank you for bringing this to light.
Now we need GTLive to react and confirm this theory :) They are the experts on Sans after all.
Crying Child After Not Surviving.
His name was meant to be Evangelion
Hmmm...i shall name you, Evangelion Arthur Afton.
-William Afton, 1979
So… If Sans = Crying Child… And Crying Child = Gregory… Does that mean Sans = Gregory? Lol
And Gregory is ness
@@dominicmccaslin5576and sans is steven universe
This is the best theory of all time so much time and research put into this its so high quality this has changed my life It was so obvious
I just call him "Isaac" and wait for someone to get the joke
Oh no
the most shocking part of watching this was realizing fnaf 4 and undertale came out in the same year
I've given up trying to find an actual name 💀🤚🤚 I just go with "wasd" because that's what the first FNaF 4 minigame showed, so what if it's a tutorial on how to move? it's the closest canon thing we have
Lmao we have, William Afton, Michael Afton, Elizabeth Afton and finally WASD Afton
If I had spent the amount of time on anything else as I have that grid... the world would be a better place.
I think that name of Chris Afton is based on Christopher Robin from Winnie the Pooh
The theory of all time.
Seriously though I say it’s Luis. Going off the code that Matpat found and rearranging the letters he first found off said code, you get Luis GF (golden freddy). If you’re wondering, yes it’s the same code that leads to Cassidy.
Wait... *Luis GF* ?
Isn't Luis the guy who liked Ness?
Is Vanessa the Crying Child? :O
/j
@@TheSoulCalledZuzia XD
Still a better theory than Sans is Ness
i wish "guys I have a theory" meme was actual video preview
That Cell impression was spot on
My god… he’s right…
I came into this thinking MatPat must’ve done something to prompt this video since he’s infamously the Sans is Ness guy. I didn’t expect you to go after the whole fandom
1:45
Papyrus is younger than Sans
Theory ruined
@@jjrobotnik lmao
I don’t say he’s older?
@@siresquawks I could have sworn you said "they both have older brothers". Apologies if I misheard
I did just realized I misspoke in the final take I used.
I guess he really did have a bad time
SANS IS NESS
And sans is steven universe
Crying child is ness *confirmed*
I can't believe CC is Vanessa
this is so dumb but so true at the same time
I just don't get WHY Scott never named BV. Espeially since in the overall story BV doesn't really do much outside his own game. Just very strange.
An Epic Prank
I mean, before the book, no one (apart from the protagonists night guards and albeit a bit sussy and all) had a name in this ge series
This is better proof of why color connections in fnaf are kinda moot
CC = Sans undertale
All roads lead to sans undertale
"Father, it's me... THE GREAT PAPYRUS!!!"
In a book of FNAF there is a speech of Jeremy Fritzjerald after FNAF 2 and It reveals that he isn't the BV of 87, but idk, i dont remember what book is xd
Im just gonna use the movie brothers name at this point
It's my birthday today, and this is a pretty hilarious incidental gift to see in my sub feed. Excellent work, soldier.
same
My god he is on to something 🚬
sire squawks finally released his first good video
Hey I think the giraffe town WRs were pretty good.
I FUCKING KNEW IT
This reminds me of those joke "Illuminati confirmed" videos from way back and I adore every second of it
I do think that the Evan connection in the Fazbear Frights book actually is very good evidence that the Crying Child's name, at least at that point in time, was intended to be Evan, especially given that the name had already been discovered by the community years ago, it was probably an easter egg meant to confirm it. Also I do think it's possible the puzzle in the Security Logbook was meant to yield Evan and it was just messed up. It makes too much sense for the logbook to be intended to reveal the Crying Child's name.
I’m pretty sure the name wasn’t discovered years before Fright’s book. If I remember correctly it was discovered and then because of the book shortly after it was considered confirmed unless I’m mixing up dates in my head.
Not to mention it only works under parallel theories, and the problem with that is under parallels Andrew is Cassidy and Jake is BV. So shouldn’t his name be Jake if anything? Why would it be his dad’s name?
Also Andrew has a different name from Cassidy so why would the BV’s parallel’s dad’s name be the same as the BV’s?
And then. There’s stitchline games which this doesn’t work with at all.
@@siresquawks >So shouldn’t his name be Jake if anything? Why would it be his dad’s name?
Ahem.
Timejutsu(tm).
Clearly, CC fell in a Magic Ballpit, and it did Ball Pit Things to him.
Everyone
is
Sans
1:39 Papyrus Is Sans' Younger Brother btw Confirmed in Deltarune
Eva ibbotson the beasts of clawstone castle features a character that looks extremely close to sans. I guess that must mean the bite victim is actually a novel character turned to game character like his dad.
FUN FACT : i had a dream that bv became sans
edit : also i was talking to someone about the name chris and we agreed they were takin from "crying child" and added the s cuz that makes an actuall name and we just started to call bv CHRI
*MatPat, is that you?*
It would make the narrative so much simpler if Bite Victim was Cassidy. Like, not the two souls idea; just literally the child who cried too much and the one you should not have killed just being the same person. Fan-theory / Fanfic-ish wise the one opening I do see for it is if Afton pulled the plug on his own son. In FNAF4, Crying Child / Bite Victim flatlines in the hospital. Did he really eventually die, or did his father consent to removing life-support? Is the line; "I will put you back together" a f***'ed up father standing there as the lines are pulled, with the intention of taking his dead son down to the bunker to do a bit of Dreadbear necromancy? The spirit not dying with vengeance, but becoming vengeful over time as it's not allowed to rest / pass on, but is instead kept.
I really like this theory
I concur. Cassidy is gender neutral and just means 'curly hair' anyway. And William 'putting him back together' could mean many things and none of them are pleasant.
Remember when people thought Steven Universe was Sans? Ah good ol days
That theory was satire tbf
I’m calling him EvanTubeHD.
SCOTT DOESNT DO COINCIDENCES
I can't believe no one has said that his name us WASD. It's literally above him at the start of the game!
EVA is a reference to Neon Genesis Evangelion: the Crying Child's tormented by (the actions of) his father, we never see his mother and she very likely got cloned (Ballora), they both get betrayed by older people whom they trusted, and they're both constantly miserable, the CC's name is clearly Shinji Ikari
Get in the Eva, CC.
For real though who isn't an undertale fan?
That outro was gold 😂 you really did sound like cell
matpat is proud
Man, cant believe MatPat rebranded after selling GT on gaaaaaaaaah
Nah, watch the video or make a better joke.
2023 Fnaf theories in a nutshell.
Between all the evidence in this vid, and the fact that Scott literally named MatPat’s character in the movie Ness, I’m officially making this theory a part of my own head canon. Honestly, it would be pretty funny if Scott made the name of one of the most theorized about characters a massive troll against MatPat
I only call Crying Child/ BV83 "Evan" because giving him a name humanizes the character, and getting his name wrong doesn't matter to me
6:25 They weren't counting it by individual color, but by how they were grouped in the image/layout. One balloon, then five, then 3, then 2, then 2, then 3.
W imperfect call impression
And then there’s Garrett.
Garrett is Ness
Te empecé a seguir sin saber que eras mexa jajaja.
El cariño que el cast y el equipo de producción demostró por ésta película desde hace meses me convenció de verla, y verdaderamente se hace notar. Espero que el boca en boca haga su trabajo y tenga la suficiente recaudación para no ser considerada un fracaso como tantas predicciones anuncian.
in reality, the crying child is the scout from tf2, as scout himself had died from the bite of 87, and both the child and scout's names are jeremy, so in theorem, the crying child could verywell be a connector to how the scout had infact joined mannco despite the frontal lobe being missing, which in turn would also potentially connect the crying child's father to the spy from tf2 aswell.
8:48
So, we have:
Lucas Grant as Garrett, and
Grant Feely as what seems to be a male spirit of the Fredbear animatronic...
I wonder which Grant is the Crying Child.
And name-wise, I'd say Crying Child is possibly Sammy.
And, iIrc, the Foxy Grid gave the letters: E, V, A, and D, spelling Dave.
Amd this would also explain sans frail state in his fight as he was chomped
Crying Child is Ness too
This is the a first I heard, CC being named Jeremy as a theory
You know what cc being a similar character to sans would actually be really cool
The MILLISECOND he said the movie I KNEW he was gonna use the Golden Freddy image