Old Tyre Changing Machine for $50. Can it be fixed??...
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- čas přidán 6. 03. 2020
- I go through a few tyres every year driving on rough roads, I like to repair my own tyres, up till now I've been using a spade to break the beads and tyre levers to take the tyre off but it is hard work doing it that way so I grabbed this broken old Coats 30-40a tyre machine for a bargain and managed to get it working again, it makes the job so much easier.
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Worked for Firestone in the UK, we supplied the Coates 10/10 & 20/20 machines to our people al round the country. Heavy bastard things to get off the truck by hand... was a lot younger and had no idea about H&S
Fill the tyre with air while it's still locked on the center post in case it blows, back off the center nut a few turns, it should have a fast fill/bead seating option, make a dish mop with soapy water to lube the beads, I was trained on that style machine in the early 1980's, watch your fingers & push the opposite side down.
Thanks mate, that makes sense
That looks a lot like the kind of machine I used in the fifties. Don't remember what kind of machine I balanced them on.
Dusty Farmer Yep. Slop up those beads with the suds. Makes all the difference. Give the tire you’re dismounting a shot too for easier work.
Also start with one tire bead down a bit counter to the valve stem, keeps the stem from being wiped out as the iron is swept past, when installing the tire.
Cheers
I agree with everything Dusty Farmer mentioned. I mounted thousands of tires on this kind of machine in the 80's. If you stomp on the pedal it will shoot a blast of air that helps blow the beads apart making it easier to fill the tire to its desired pressure. If you can get the pressure meter to work it will make your life even simpler. Cheers from the U.S.
And another solid performance from the 'TRACTOR WHISPERER'!
the same machine I was trained on in 1978, a tip on the top bead breaker always hold on to it whilst breaking the bead as some times it can jump out as happened to a pal of mine knocked him out after it jumped out he was laid out on the floor we thought he was messing about but no he was unconscious, and sometimes if the bead doesn't break just turn the wheel a quart turn and try again I love these machines takes me back to my youth
Good advice thanks
I had a similar machine. Mine was a Coat 10-10. I had it inpart because my mom delivered the mail on dirt roads. I was replacing tires weekly. There was no point putting new ones on because she would take out a sidewall or do something else that ruined a tire. What I did was mount it on 4 by 4 skids. It allowed me to move ut easily and it made it taller. I'm 6 feet 7 inches tall and it was just to short. Sorry, I got off topic. What you bought was a steal. These machines are virtually bulletproof. The bubble balancer does ok but you may have to rebalance it if it vibrates. Remember, that was what was used before spin balancers were made available. Don't buy a cheap one. Try to find an old good quality one - you will get better results. My 2 brothers and I bought a salvage yard in 1998 on a shoestring. We used my coats for the 1st couple of years until we could afford a newer wheel clamp version. I hope this helps, if you have a question I'm happy to help. I used a machine like yours for about 30 years on and off. 120 psi will run it 160 is much better and if you get a stubborn one do just the bottom bead 1st. Thanks for your videos Marty. I truly enjoy them. Bob from Staunton Virginia USA
Thanks for the info mate
@@MartyT As I said, if I can help I will. I like to do it, it makes me feel useful again. It wasn't so bad when my body lost the war on good health but when it joined the other side I really got annoyed.....
"Seek and he shall find" is true! Even when it comes to tire changers! Brilliant time saver Marty!! 😃
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(cotton pickin' auto-correct drives me nuts sometimes.)
A bubble balancer is great with the right person operating it. I really think you are meticulous enough to be extremely successful
Good video. Didn't jump all over the place like most on CZcams. Well done.
Quickest way to find an air leak my father taught me is to take some soapy water in a spray bottle and spray the lines and look for the bubbles. Always works.
@Paolo G I didn't know that. It's always worked every time I've used it so I swear by it hahaha Thanks for the info though!!!
Gas line leak detector. I have been using it for years repairing compressor air lines that are sometimes 160PSI (most are 90PSI and I have no idea how to convert pounds per square inch into metric if your not in North America) in professional/commercial garages It is Non flammable works for high pressure and low pressure and is pretty "sticky" for vertical surfaces www.amazon.com/dp/B009Y9ZT5E/ref=cm_sw_r_apa_i_CDjFEbEP3FKAG
99% of the time I would say Your ol man was right Soap works good generally speaking but the bubbles are thin or low viscosity for the lack of a better word and if your trying to find a pinhole on the back of something that is roaring air it wont always work as the other commentator stated but the special made leak soap will always find it if you ever run into the problem in the future, here in the states its sold in the big box hardware stores on the plumbing aisle useally.
On this Coats tire machine I think a thick dish soap/water mix would have located it or at least changed the pitch of the sound.
Marty didn't want to clean the tire machine
I thought that too, as well as a stethoscope.
Put some oil down air feed as well, that will keep the internal cylinder seals lubricated and sealing...
Good thinking, I have some air tool oil
Great idea.
With a machine like this, considering all the mechanicals are solid, 50$ is a steal. :)) Nice one Marty.
Well, compared to a free excavator... Marty got ripped off on this one.
Hahahaha....
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Just bought myself a Coats 40-40SA last week. Same machine I used working at the local service station back in high school!
Marty, I have to say your videos are some of the most satisfying that I watch. Returning old equipment to working condition really is comforting. Thanks for taking the time to put these together...
Amen! Love your channel and vids!
Aye, Captain ~ ' she's a gonna go, in a minute or two .....''' ! ! '' just gotta lube 'er up ....''
You can check for leaks with soapy water. Being a plumber thats how we find leaks in natural gas pipes. Plus a brush with soapy water helps the bead seat without too much binding while installing tire.
Great deal! New machines may handle these newer wheels...but they don't hold up like the oldies! Plain simple engineering is always the winner!
I have had a bubble balancer forever.
Every bit as good as the speed balancer , just a little more time , but , every bit as good.
You got yourself a decent tire machine. Enjoy !
Can’t go wrong for $50. A local mechanic retired a few years ago and sold his, working, for $400. I would have bought it for that. I would replace all of the flexible hoses. If one is bad and there’s what appears to be a repair splice, it’s past time for new hoses. I’ve never liked press-on hoses, but it looks like that was the factory setup.
The other day I took a small garden tractor to a local tire shop for repair. They wouldn’t fix it because the tire was worn. Exactly what risk is posed by a blowout on a tire that runs at 1 mph and is inflated to 20 psi? Then they told me a new tire would cost $142! Pissed, I ordered TWO new US-made Carlisles from Amazon for $129 and mounted them with the $45 mini tire changer I bought from Harbor Freight months before. It was still in its unopened box. I seated the beads with a wide ratchet strap. Incidentally, Armor-All works great as a bead lube. Slicker than snot.
We all know that it's not a risk, but try telling that to the lawyers. One stupid act of carelessness by a user somewhere can be spun into negligence on the part of the tire shop by shysters in court.
I've spent hours building tires using that model. I worked at the airlines at DTW. Many tires for the g.s.e. Tugs, belt loaders, bag carts, fleet trucks, push back tractors. I would put some air tool oil in the air line to lubricate the air motor and ram seals.
lol what were the odds, I watched this video and remember how badly I needed one too, so I hopped on Craigslist and sure enough there is an exact same time machine on there for 75$
Its worth every penny compared to the harbor freight manual changer.
I bought a 10/10 with the optional bead setter and paid 150 bucks. The local Latino hole in the wall tire shop charges 12 bucks to R and R a tire and 3 bucks to get rid of the old one. So in 2 cars the one you found would pay for itself.., just make sure it has the lever to lift off the bead. They still sell parts for these things but the parts are pricey.
the manufacturing tag at 0:26 puts a smile on my face; because i am about an hour's drive from where this machine was likely born!
Saw your comment, went back and studied the tag..TN!
curlyzst and they are still around making high quality tire equipment!
I'm a retired mechanic and have mounted many tires on a machine like the one you have. I have also balanced thousands of tires on a bubble balancer before the day of high speed balancing machine. They work fine! I really enjoy your vids.
Good score! I've changed may tires on a Coats machine... some tips: 1.) Make sure the cone is tight, typical to bang it home using the iron. 2.) Beware the bottom bead braker, on some rims (16") it can pick up and bend the wheel... the solution is to use a tire spoon and reach up under the breaker and lift it over the rim edge... I got in the habit of doing this every time. 3.) That machine wants to run at tire shop pressures... 180psi is good, consult the manual. Home compressors normally run around 120psi, anemic for a Coats. I can see you already have the 'pushing down' knowledge, the beat must fit into the recess in order to make it over the rim. Enjoy!
Right, Mr Scow. The roadside, (wheel cover side) of the rim, MUST be facing upward - so tire bead can rest in the drop-zone, on rims......(am making a tire machine, with duckhead from Amazon, rest from scrap.
As a mechanic of 20+ years, I do miss these old Coats machines. Sweet find! Nice fix. I'd just put a zip tie on it to make sure it doesn't blow off.
C clamp.
I'm a simple man, I see tractor I click 👍
Greetings from Ontario, Canada.
me too! maybe we should form a fan club?
A great Coats tire changer indeed. I had one in the 70's which never failed me. Very reliable. Just clean the workings once or twice a year of buses a lot.
i used a bubble machine......they work if you are exact in placing the weights......the bubble machine must be mounted LEVEL,,,,and follow any other instructions in the manual......we used it on rims we could not spin....aluminum/magnesium mags.....so they can be very accurate as the mags we balanced were driven at high speed and hard....good luck in your choice
Worked one summer in a tire shop back in '68. They had four of those. They were wonderful state-of-the-art machines back then.
You did the right thing lubricating everything. You just can't over grease these machines. There's so many joints and pivots that will bind it up if proper maintenance isn't done. An oil mister in the air supply would help the air cylinders too.
I used to use a similar machine on my mag wheels 45 years ago. I would not tighten the top nut and lift the tire on the bottom breaker side. only the top breaker would break the bead. Then flipped it over to break the other side. I heard it was the bottom breaker that used to break the mag wheels. Never had an issue. Thinking back it probably wasn't the safest practice but it worked and I still have all my fingers.
What a good tool. We used to do all our tirers by hand and it could be hard work at times.
I have a 1950's bubble balancer I have used for 39 years and it works just fine.
i used one of those for years they are workhorses..use some soapy water around the bead when you put the tire back on makes them slide easier and less chance of ripping the bead.they also make an attachment that sits on top of that center piece that you use to remove/ put your tire on that you can use to patch a tire if you prefer patches over putting a plug into them
A cheap man with skills like him is a rich man ... . Nice vid!
Slightly surprised that a hoseclip wasn't used on the shortened pipe to reduce the risk of it blowing off. I've got a 1970's Harry Moss (?) bubble balancer and it shouldn't be too difficult to make one with a bit of drilled flat bar, two identical nuts and bolts, triangular two way spirit level and a machined central point welded underneath for it to balance on. They aren't perfect but they do make things better even if they don't tell you whether to put the weight on the inner or outer rim.
The bubble balancers are fine for farm equipment, trucks, and most cars. If you've got wide wheels or run at high speeds, they won't be good enough since they can't do dynamic balancing. But for your purposes, they'll do the job.
I learned on one of those machines 25 years ago! nice to see it back in action. keep up the work, Marty!
Neat find and worthwhile buy... I remember using one of these back in the late 90s at an older gas station where I drove just a one-ton wrecker for a few months. Low profile tires always had to be taken elsewhere but otherwise it was a workhorse. I always wondered how it was built and this answers that for me. Thanks!
Properly made bubble balancers work absolutely fine. Not tried an ebay version but the old ones are good
The Old bubble balance machines were quite ok. In their day.. Balanced the outer rim basically. That's all they used before the dynamic machines came along and did both inner and outer rim....
Last year I replaced like 15 tires by hand. Pickup truck tires, car tires, etc. Wish I had this machine. What took me like 20 minutes a tire, you do in like 20 seconds with that machine. So much time I could have spent doing something productive. Nice.
I know the feeling, I used to do all my tyres by hand using a spade to break the bead, it is back breaking work. I've been looking for one of these machines within my budget for years.. Keep an eye out on fb marketplace, something will come up eventually ;)
@@MartyT Eyeing all marketplaces for all kinds of equipment I'd love to have that are too expensive to buy new. Some day I'll find a tire changer. Have fun.
i worked in a full service gas station 45 years ago.we only had a bubble balancer and it was pretty good.not as accurate as a spin balancer but it balanced thousand s of wheels.
Wow.... Mate you are a genius engineer. 👍
i like that way better than newer ones. tire man my whole life.
A bubble balancer is fine for trailer tyres. Not much else. Also make sure to soap up the tyre bead or you'll rip it for sure. That's a great machine. (I slaved over one of them for a year.)
A good tip for preventing slow leaks is sand the rim bead after you take it off. Then coat it with a good bead sealent. There's usually a spot for can and brush on the machine. As they used to come in a small can with a brush attached to the cap. That was a steal of deal you got for this. Should last you years
Use soap water liberally and wheel brush alloys with spray coat follow up. You are in the game! This machine was in a job I had.
Being old, I get annoyed when machines get obsoleted. (Primarily I mean mechanical devices with intrinsic remaining useful value.
Time travelers can use media connectors to determine position.
I ve had one for years like this. Very good tire machine for around the farm. but they wont do much over a 16 inch . but Im very happy with mine. never done a thing to it..
I still use the coats 30 30 in my home shop all the time. I have the bubble balancer and it works well. I have saved thousands of dollars over the last 25 years by getting go used tires cheap and mounting them at home. Keep up the great videos and hello from the United States and the state of Wisconsin
I remember using a machine like that in shop. Memories😊 We kept those recesses full of wheel weights and valve stems. I'm sure they're a lot more fancy now.
the bubble balancers aren't too bad..not as good as the electric ones but i used bubble balancers for about 20 years in my shops...cheers
Just got one of these from my uncle thanks for the video now I know how to run it
Brings back memories, spent a lot of time working one of those. Awesome post
Air bubble balancers work great. They don't balance the tire as well as a spinning one does. The spinning ones will tell you if weight is needed inside or outside. The bubble balancer will only let you balance with weights on one side of the tire. It does a good job as far as getting it close. It won't vibrate on the car. It may not be balance as far as the inside to outside of the tire though. I have found it works well enough that it is definitely worth using them. You can't go wrong for the price either.
Bubble balances were used back in the 60’s they balance radially but not side to side ! Good first balance!!
What a time saver, quick fix, work smarter not harder, 😁👍
The first tire store I worked at in the late 70's only had a bubble balancer and it worked good. Don't remember the brand but it was yellow. We had 3 tire machines and I want to say they were Coats 30-30. I got to use a high speed digital balancer a couple years later at Discount Tire.
Awesome find. I bought one about 20 years ago for personal use and it payed for itself over and over. The air pedal should blast air up when you stomp it to the floor. Makes it easy to set ur bead when you are trying to air ur tires up.
Ahh I wondered what those holes were for. Thanks mate
Had this exact machine for about 12 years in my service station, never had a problem with it the entire time and believe me I changed many many tires.
the guy that bought my station kept it for many years.
Good machine.
nice repair and what a nice time and labor saver!
I got a John Bean rim clamp machine at a Walmart equipment auction for $300. USD. Retired my Coats 10-10 manual machine.
I used that type of "bubble" wheel balancer for years with good results. Probably 1000's of tires...
The auto repair garage I worked for also had that exact model tire machine which performed great.
Got this tire balancer too. Works not so good on too light tires (because of the 4 springs pushing the cone upwards), but since I have it my tires do not shake anymore.
The bubble balancer works good on just about any standard tire . I dont recommend it for high speed applicatoons though. Also, if you balance a tire and it calls for excessive amounts of weight (2 oz or more), try unseating the the tire and spinning 180 degrees on the rim. Often times this will help reduce the amount of weight needed to balance the tire. Love your channel sir and stay safe all!
@@MrJohnBabcock when radial tires came about, bubble balancers took a back seat.
I am very practical and just love watching your calm process! Normally have lovely bird sounds too
Love you saving money and fixing perfectly good equipment. Just a little patience and attention can get an old item working again.
If you use a soap/water solution to lube the tire beads, they will slide onto the wheel like butter. Nice score. I love how you bring old tools and equipment back into use. I also love your interactions with your family and animals.
I paid my way through a couple of years of school as a tire buster on one of these. I used to wake myself up from flailing my arms while going through the motions. Fond memories.
Arg...hate dreaming about work all night just to get up and go to work!
Good on' ya, Marty. It's so satisfying to see what a little effort can get those of us who are willing to fix what's broken in the world. I will keep my eye out for a broken air tire changer too replace my fully-manual changer, which I almost never use anymore.
I do have one of those bubble balancers. Works okay, but I would like too have one that spins the wheel.
Marty my friend...as always I always learn something from you.....never thought about putting my rubber tube ends in boiling water.....love it thanks...….
The biggest problem with the bubble balancers is you cant differentiate where the weight should go inside of rim or outside where as the electronic ones will tell you where to place weights. I just use balancing beads works especially well for aggressive tires will self balance when you get rocks in lugs or mud on rims never get a shimmy shake with the beads
With great care, you can do alloy rims. Make sure that the piece that "breaks" the bead does not catch on the rim underneath. There are plastic guards that you can put on the center nut/clamp and on the alloy rim to prevent direct contact with the mount/demount tool. Clearly these precautions are not acceptable in a commercial application.
Lubrication of the tire bead with soap water make removal and installation MUCH easier.
Those DO work on alloy rims. You just need to get the plastic guards that go over the spoon. They're called "on'ers and "off'ers".
This was my favorite machine when I used to bust tires.
The new "aluminum wheel" machines are so much slower.
Screaming deal ! It will do alloy wheels if you are careful. They also sold plastic guards to put on the bead breaker shoes and the lever bar. I enjoy your videos very much !
Great job MARTY. THANKS FOR THE KNOWLEDGE AS ALWAYS😇🗽🇺🇸
Marty you always ammase me how handy you are . Another good video . Shout out from Canada .All the best
$50! What a deal! Cool machine
I have used a bubble balancer for 4 years with a manual tyre changer for track days no problems and good results for on the road aswell
I've never used the Ebay thing, but anything is better than nothing when it comes to balancing.
Awesome tool for $50.00. I worked in my uncles tire shop when I was 13. My cousin was 11. He trained me. Soap on everything. No grease. Grease allows one to make things work. Grease will then allow things to fail. Soap dissipates. Grease doesn't. Soap doesn't break rubber down. Grease does.
Great video as usual dude.
Really nice find and great job doing a bit of trouble shooting and maintenance to get it back on line. Looking forward to what you find in a balancer.
Nice to see sweep in the background
It fun what things you find. As a young mechanic I used that machine to mount many a tire. As someone said before there should be a bead setting function. It shoots in a high flow of air to push the tire out into the bead. In most cases you can completely filled the tire before you remove the tire from the fixture.
Thank for sharing your adventures.
Bubble balancers do just fine made sure the balancer is level before putting the tyre first.
The tyre changer will changer will work on newer rims you just have to be careful that's all. 50 buck was a good buy.
Changed many tyres on a changer just like that one at the shop I worked at. My friend has one like also.
You are right it is much easier then using tyre spoons or pry bars.
Yeah...bead buster and spoons is a real workout. No fun at all.
Nice find man. Works great. She just needed someone to give her some love n attention
That was a good one Marty! Good advice from Dusty Farmer. Love your videos with morning coffee! Thank you for sharing! :-)
The thing with balancing is there's not just a direction from centre, but a left or right side. Modern balancers will let you know inside or outside to balance, that bubble balancer will just tell you a direction, but not if it's unbalanced left or right side, so throwing weights on one side or even splitting between inside and outside will not properly balance the wheel and result in vibrations.
My uncle picked up a used tire machine back around 1973,very similar if not identical to this one and it was one of the most used tools in the garage.
'tire lube'. blue stuff in a large bottle. used by all tire shops. usually pretty cheap $. nice & slippery when you first apply but then tacks up nicely sticking the tire to the rim.
I have the same one only much more beat up. You got a steal. Nice work.
Score!! Well done Marty!!
I’m way late seeing this video and commenting, but I found it to be quite educational and cool. Thanks for taking your time to film and edit this one. I’m greatful for the effort you invested in it🙂 God you seem to know a lot about things👍
Friend made a tube roller add on to his tyre machine worked like a charm Great video Marty👍
Bubble balancer working great for my use, i have four 70s vintage cars, Chevy.
Hey Marty,
You inspired me to fix my old Coats 10-10 machine. I found a bad air restricting valve and got it working well again. Thanks for your awesome content.
Nice work!
Great video Marty, and hello from the Grand Canyon State USA.
Those bubble balancers do a decent job and better than nothing but it’s just a static balance so when it’s running down the highway you have other forces at play that you could never expect a static bubble balancer to compensate for, find a used one and don’t spend that hundred bucks on one.
Also after you do the bubble balance you can rig up a spindle with a cross bar on good light bearings or just a smooth shaft and give her a spin to see if you have a heavy spot.
I know this video is a couple years old but had to say hello and love your channel
Fifty bucks,
That's quite a prize.
Repaired and lubed
Right before our eyes!
Thanks for the fun Marty. :-)
I smiled at that!
nice easy fix great buy thumbs up shared
Here in Texas we call that a lay down tire machine. Bought mine for 100.00 Time AND money saver. love it.
I know this is a few years old I guess want it to make a comment or two. Back when I first started driving and would need new tires they used the machine that you were using and they only had the bubble tire balancer. The good one did not start getting out until about 1985 maybe 86 and not everyone had them.
You really did a great job on that machine.
I did enjoy your video and most definitely hit the like and subscribe button.
I hope you and your family have a wonderful Christmas and New Year.
David
I worked for Snap-on for 20 years fixing their equipment like this. Good find !
great find and a bonus when u have many vehicles...well done mate
Thank you again. I like that your honest. When you're not familiar with something you admit it. Wrong way up. Here in my neck of the woods we say upside down. One more note always hold onto to bar it can really do some damage if it flies out.