I’ve literally never played this game but i’ve seen this dolphin thing so much that I feel like it’s necessary to know how to defeat it, I don’t know when I would encounter it given I don’t play or intend to play the game but I just feel like my life will at some point depend on knowing how to defeat totsugeki spam
May player here too, and a good opponent will just let you gamble it away, you know that, right? It will work a total of 001 times against someone barely proficient at fighting games.
Well it's gotta be good since its an overdrive move and it costs bar, you know. Which one has access to 2 times per round on average. You wanted it to suck or be useless? Not to mention she could just aswell use said bar to RRC and still be her turn. Just bait it out and leave her naked or dont press buttons when she has resources and let her gamble them away.
I mean if you're getting combod it doesn't matter which version she does. If you are on defense it absolutely matters though and you should be looking out for it, particularly after a string of normals when you KNOW she is gonna do a dolphin.
this is late i know, but the fast one is 7fr and the "slow" one is about 25frames. well within the common person's reaction window but it is still fairly quick. I know personally i have trouble reliably reacting to moves around 22ish fr so don't feel bad for not noticing right away
@@AstralTaurus I will say that since then I've actually started to stuff the dolphin, and the last couple of days I've done it more than expected tbh. Of course then you have to not press for fast dolphin, but you're usually in block stun by the time you would lol. It's still hard but it doesn't always wreck me.
@@AstralTaurus The fast dolphin may as well be instant since you cannot react to 7 frames. It's not about reacting to the slow one per-say, it's about expecting a dolphin if you see the May randomly down backing and preemptively sticking out a fast normal. The only time you have to "react" to the slow one is if it's in a block string (where you can stuff it)/after you already blocked it since you definitely cannot hit a button after blocking it, and it's more of a retrospect thing of, that dolphin HAD startup thus it was the slow one, as apposed to the one that is basically instant. Also fast dolphin is negative on hit, so throwing out a quick button preemptively isn't very punishing even if she punishes you. Just don't throw out a slow move that can get clipped early and lead into a counter hit, because then it's party time for the May (I mean, she gets like a 2S>Dolphin which is good poke damage or 5K>3K which is knockdown). Note, good May's will hide their charging cleverly, but good May's don't spam dolphin, and there is no quick and easy way to beat a "good" player anyways since they will be responding to your responses with layers of strategy. At that point it's up to you to find an answer to what they are doing (though if you cannot deal with dolphin spam, then they will probably dolphin spam you).
I think it would also be great to have an option where the attacking player turns red or blue when blocked to communicate whether they're plus or minus on block. The intensity of the color could also be decided by how many frames it is. I think it would be a good way to introduce that idea to people who are new to fighting games without having to look up frame data.
@@BobtheX She actually does have a slightly different voice line for both. When she hits the slash dolphin it’s a very fast totsugeki but when she hits heavy dolphin she says it for longer. My friend mains May and it’s easy to distinguish when you’re used to it. But I still think having a visual cue would be better
Just here to say I'm glad your channel is growing. I'm a long-time lurker of your content. Your genuine passion for fighting games and your laid-back and chill attitude about everything shows in every video. Keep doing you JM, I'll watch this 'til you hit 1 mill and beyond.
Just started playing online as May, went on a massive winning streak and reached floor 10 with dolphin spamming. It's laughable at how abusable this is at the lower ranks, people don't know what to do against it.
That's due to people not knowing how to play the game in general. It's still early access. I also got to 10 with her basically only with fundamentals and barely knowing the game's systems proper. I played on the safe side, dolphin only on confirm and still I got 6P'd several times (beats it clean). So yeah, as time passes it's highly doubtful it will stay like this. It's not that strong at all and a very easy read depending on positioning and the situation. You just know its coming. Or should.
@@tiguilherman_plays Made it to Celestial floor, starting at floor 10 I've noticed people are catching on and knowing how to counter it. Yet some people still do have trouble with it even at the highest ranks. If I realize my opponent knows how to counter than I adjust and counter him back, and wait for him to whiff his 6P for a punish. It makes them scared to consistently throw out that 6P.
Dude, this was so helpful. I'm really happy that you're playing Strive now and not just DBZ. Tbh I burnt out on DBFZ forever ago but your new Strive videos have brought me back to your channel.
More than Totsugeiki I loved how you briefly showed other examples of this moves, since like you said there are a lot of them and it is hard sometimes to realise which ones without labing
Yeah, dealing with Dolphin spam is the least of the issues with fighting May. The dolphin spam is really really annoying but there are many moves that may players have to make up for any of Totsugeki's weakness. You block the dolphin or you counter the dolphin, That is great! However this only blocks one moveset, and believe me may player's will use dirty dirty tricks to make you think. Your free from sea world, only to punish you then assault you with it all over again. Remeber when fighting May, dolphin spam helps her, but if its a component may player they will trick you with Tostugeki spam. Because they know you will counter/block it. Also fun fact May has the most disjointed hit attacks then any other character in Guilty Gear Strive.
I don't get it, she is only -5 on block and most characters only have P that is that fast and it won't reach. Does that mean it isn't punishable it is just a turn switch? Man that is rough if so, so much pressure for like, no risk.
Turn switch. You have to chase her because she will be out of range. Sometimes they will throw out a attack if they notice you charging in. its a small 5050
I just saw Justin reviewing this. I haven’t had to deal with it yet and it’s something I will hit the lab with. So glad they didn’t launch with bazillion characters so while its young I can actually lab stuff. Nice video and thank for your work.
Always play'd with May in GG, with Strive I could say they kinda "Charlottaified" her? Also people I fight struggle a lot with the normal down slash, getting them all the time, and after that... well, you know.
I just played against a lvl 300+ May when I'm just just a little lvl 70 Potemkin. I lost 27 times, and only won 1 round (not match, just one round). It felt like no matter what I did, nothing was safe. Her air attacks ALL counter mine (literally nothing I can do in the air would harm her ever), her anchor hurts Pot's arms whenever they clash, and the dolphin spam comes out so insanely fast that not even low punch comes out fast enough. But the deal with this that bothers me even more is that when I interrupt her dolphin somehow, she's just barely out of reach for me to do any significant damage, meanwhile May gets her meter built up so quickly that she can just throw whales at me all day long. You say that the 6P is a good counter move, but Potemkin's 6P feels so damn sluggish, it never ever comes out in time to stop her, and after her first hit it's already too late and I'm in the corner, taking half my HP in damage. Please, tell me there's a better way to handle this, I don't want to abandon my main or dodge Mays.
Had early access thanks to pre-ordering but, ironically, almost no time to play the game yet due to work, lol :( Looking forward to NOT getting dolphined though ;D
As an Anji player i'm still figuring out how to deal with May players. The best thing I could do after the S dolphin is S -> Fujin. But even then it's blockable and really just a way to regain a bit of momentum. However I can't contest May's normal attacks as Anji as most of them time I'm the one getting counter hit. And it kinda feels unfair as an Anji player that May's moves are mostly safe, while Anji's are risky. UPDATE: Apparently what I just said above doesn't work. After blocking the S dolphin, May can back dash and dodge Anji's standing S. And there's nothing in Anji's arsenal that can reach May when she does that. They really need to nerf her dolphin.
As a may player I am In pain. They took away all the tricks with half of her special moves, we don’t wanna do this it’s just what we have to do, why Jm why
man its one thing to be able to interrupt that move in training mode but I don't think I could ever pull that off in an actual match when that is one of a million potential things I need to be looking for. I don't get how people do this.
just remember this, she has to charge the move, if she is walking forward she doesnt have it charged, so assume wherever she inst walking forward (attacking you with a normal included) she is buffering the move and can do it at any time, so throw out buttons like a fS or 6p preemptively to catch her, or jump and whiff punish.
People complaining about May never played xrd, no longer do you have to deal with the otter's slow screen control bouncing ball or trap dolphins. And that walrus spiking a beachball is no replacement for the otter in anyway, would trade it back for the otter in 5 seconds.
the dolphin is cute and a great move but, some people using it are just crap. The day that goldlewis was released i went online dont even knowing how to use it but i was having fun learning on the go until I encountered a certain guy using may (Corgi I will not forget your crimes) he started to spam totsugeki as soon the figth started and was pretty much the only thing he did. totsugeki cheese players are the only ones that i couldnt stop.
Video doesn't talk about how to counter psychological damage from the voiceline
Totsugekiiiii～
dat shit unblockable.
Switch to dub *dodges punch*
Use English voices
Meditation? Therapy? Holy Water?
I’ve literally never played this game but i’ve seen this dolphin thing so much that I feel like it’s necessary to know how to defeat it, I don’t know when I would encounter it given I don’t play or intend to play the game but I just feel like my life will at some point depend on knowing how to defeat totsugeki spam
Absolutely amazing train of thoughts
Same, I dont play this game but came here just to know how to counter. I need this in my life
Thanks for this! May is the character that made me cook my goldfish
Totsugeki!
The one dislike is the Dolphin, not even the player because you know they spammed it at the dislike button too.
🐬TOTSUGEKI🐬 🐬TOTSUGEKI🐬 🐬TOTSUGEKI🐬 🐬TOTSUGEKI🐬
As a May player, if I see someone know to challenge dolphin, I just super after on block.
yea but that's 50% meter
@@Bryantdtv but it always works lol
This is good tip thank you
Noted :)
May player here too, and a good opponent will just let you gamble it away, you know that, right? It will work a total of 001 times against someone barely proficient at fighting games.
"It is now your turn" - The wonderful and dynamic Goshogawara-san disagrees with this statement.
Well it's gotta be good since its an overdrive move and it costs bar, you know. Which one has access to 2 times per round on average. You wanted it to suck or be useless?
Not to mention she could just aswell use said bar to RRC and still be her turn.
Just bait it out and leave her naked or dont press buttons when she has resources and let her gamble them away.
@@tiguilherman_plays chill my dude, I was cracking a joke. There is no judgement in my comment.
BEEEE BAAAAA!~~~~~~!!!! i love and hate May at the same time.I love to see people being crushed by Sea World as long as they are not me XD
@@tiguilherman_plays i left her naked and some guys in black suits are knocking at my door, what do i do?
"slow" lol. A few seconds after while I'm getting combod I realize, ah yes that was a bit slower.
I mean if you're getting combod it doesn't matter which version she does. If you are on defense it absolutely matters though and you should be looking out for it, particularly after a string of normals when you KNOW she is gonna do a dolphin.
this is late i know, but the fast one is 7fr and the "slow" one is about 25frames. well within the common person's reaction window but it is still fairly quick. I know personally i have trouble reliably reacting to moves around 22ish fr so don't feel bad for not noticing right away
@@AstralTaurus I will say that since then I've actually started to stuff the dolphin, and the last couple of days I've done it more than expected tbh. Of course then you have to not press for fast dolphin, but you're usually in block stun by the time you would lol. It's still hard but it doesn't always wreck me.
@@AstralTaurus The fast dolphin may as well be instant since you cannot react to 7 frames. It's not about reacting to the slow one per-say, it's about expecting a dolphin if you see the May randomly down backing and preemptively sticking out a fast normal. The only time you have to "react" to the slow one is if it's in a block string (where you can stuff it)/after you already blocked it since you definitely cannot hit a button after blocking it, and it's more of a retrospect thing of, that dolphin HAD startup thus it was the slow one, as apposed to the one that is basically instant.
Also fast dolphin is negative on hit, so throwing out a quick button preemptively isn't very punishing even if she punishes you. Just don't throw out a slow move that can get clipped early and lead into a counter hit, because then it's party time for the May (I mean, she gets like a 2S>Dolphin which is good poke damage or 5K>3K which is knockdown).
Note, good May's will hide their charging cleverly, but good May's don't spam dolphin, and there is no quick and easy way to beat a "good" player anyways since they will be responding to your responses with layers of strategy. At that point it's up to you to find an answer to what they are doing (though if you cannot deal with dolphin spam, then they will probably dolphin spam you).
I wish the dolphins were different colors.
As a +R player, yes! It feels like something left out.
Would be so great for in game clarity and design
I think it would also be great to have an option where the attacking player turns red or blue when blocked to communicate whether they're plus or minus on block. The intensity of the color could also be decided by how many frames it is. I think it would be a good way to introduce that idea to people who are new to fighting games without having to look up frame data.
Or at least had different voice lines. Reacting to that shit mid match is so fucking hard.
@@BobtheX She actually does have a slightly different voice line for both. When she hits the slash dolphin it’s a very fast totsugeki but when she hits heavy dolphin she says it for longer. My friend mains May and it’s easy to distinguish when you’re used to it. But I still think having a visual cue would be better
Just here to say I'm glad your channel is growing. I'm a long-time lurker of your content. Your genuine passion for fighting games and your laid-back and chill attitude about everything shows in every video. Keep doing you JM, I'll watch this 'til you hit 1 mill and beyond.
So many people are gonna be thankful for this video
Just started playing online as May, went on a massive winning streak and reached floor 10 with dolphin spamming. It's laughable at how abusable this is at the lower ranks, people don't know what to do against it.
At higher ranks it is still pretty much brain-dead. Even Samitto got drowned.
That's due to people not knowing how to play the game in general. It's still early access.
I also got to 10 with her basically only with fundamentals and barely knowing the game's systems proper. I played on the safe side, dolphin only on confirm and still I got 6P'd several times (beats it clean).
So yeah, as time passes it's highly doubtful it will stay like this. It's not that strong at all and a very easy read depending on positioning and the situation. You just know its coming. Or should.
I punch people for a living. It is laughable how kids go to sleep after one punch. They dont know what to do against it.
@@tiguilherman_plays Made it to Celestial floor, starting at floor 10 I've noticed people are catching on and knowing how to counter it. Yet some people still do have trouble with it even at the highest ranks. If I realize my opponent knows how to counter than I adjust and counter him back, and wait for him to whiff his 6P for a punish. It makes them scared to consistently throw out that 6P.
@@chillaxboi2109 Wow you punch kids? How brave of you, go fight men who know how to fight and you'll be the one sleeping.
Wow, you held the poll and made a video on it in less than an hour lol. Now that’s what I call hustle
He gets that shit done in one take haha
Dude, this was so helpful. I'm really happy that you're playing Strive now and not just DBZ. Tbh I burnt out on DBFZ forever ago but your new Strive videos have brought me back to your channel.
More than Totsugeiki I loved how you briefly showed other examples of this moves, since like you said there are a lot of them and it is hard sometimes to realise which ones without labing
Thank you so much for this, was really having a hard time. Truly thank you
Yeah, dealing with Dolphin spam is the least of the issues with fighting May. The dolphin spam is really really annoying but there are many moves that may players have to make up for any of Totsugeki's weakness. You block the dolphin or you counter the dolphin, That is great! However this only blocks one moveset, and believe me may player's will use dirty dirty tricks to make you think. Your free from sea world, only to punish you then assault you with it all over again.
Remeber when fighting May, dolphin spam helps her, but if its a component may player they will trick you with Tostugeki spam. Because they know you will counter/block it. Also fun fact May has the most disjointed hit attacks then any other character in Guilty Gear Strive.
I'm lovin some GG content buddy! Thx and keep em coming!
I didnt realised the difference between heavy and light version thanks man I’ll use heavy version more often
When the algorithm is so busted youtubers need TWO channels to pay rent.
Jm about to blow up. 200k subs is already insane but Guilty Gear Strive is gonna get him so many more.
I don't get it, she is only -5 on block and most characters only have P that is that fast and it won't reach. Does that mean it isn't punishable it is just a turn switch? Man that is rough if so, so much pressure for like, no risk.
Turn switch. You have to chase her because she will be out of range. Sometimes they will throw out a attack if they notice you charging in. its a small 5050
Good to know. Have yet to try vs. Thanks.
Her slide into dolphin was a pretty tough one to react to.
Dolphin SPAM...sounds delish
Bacon eggs and spam, spam sausage and eggs, spam spam spam spam spam spam and spam!
I'm hungry now.
Lmao word
Will be able to finally try out this game tomorrow afternoon hopefully *Fingers crossed*
Justin Wong 18h ago: 🐬 DOLPHIN SPAM IS UNBEATABLE IN GUILTY GEAR STRIVE 🐬
jmcrofts 11h ago: How to beat May dolphin spam
He probs thought the same at Evo mom 37 😂
It’s just a clickbait title lol
Thanks, one more thing I can keep in mind for when the PC version releases.
Maybe we are blessed in some ways
I just saw Justin reviewing this. I haven’t had to deal with it yet and it’s something I will hit the lab with. So glad they didn’t launch with bazillion characters so while its young I can actually lab stuff. Nice video and thank for your work.
So I got strive on the 8th, my 1st 3 matches were may, may, may...I stopped playing for 3 hours and took a rage break.
@@julianmorgan79 This is my first Guilty Gear as a Nago main,Sol & May might be the reason I give up playing this game & just go back to Soul Calibur
Even before I get onto ranked; I'm going to learn from this video. I've seen enough memes about this
Great, now I have to deal with May’s mind games. Closed the game with a surprise HS? Will she stagger with another one or follow up with a S version?
Totsegu- *eats ramlethal valentines sword*
I'm watching this video while in the corner thx for the tip
Gonna be interesting to see how the meta of this game evolves
This video is a crime against sea world
lol Getting this in my recommended immediately after J Wong's dolphin spam video
The funny dolphin move
The Mission Mode Matchup Tips (4 and 5 Star) tell you some of those Moves that you can interupt.
I finally won't lose my mind now
Love this video, thank you!
Always play'd with May in GG, with Strive I could say they kinda "Charlottaified" her? Also people I fight struggle a lot with the normal down slash, getting them all the time, and after that... well, you know.
Totsugeki brethren stand up
You, Sir, are a life saver
May fan here I gotta wait to get the game but I'm ready for training
Hey roofelmonger for your jmcroft jeapardy!
I started chuckling at the Any Sol Normal reaching 2nd place
Who does this jm guy think he is getting rid of my cheese like this 😂😂😂 jk nice video man
It's like Ice Car from BlazBlue Calamity Trigger all over again.
The communiry needs to learn this.
Totsugeki 🐬
I just played against a lvl 300+ May when I'm just just a little lvl 70 Potemkin. I lost 27 times, and only won 1 round (not match, just one round). It felt like no matter what I did, nothing was safe. Her air attacks ALL counter mine (literally nothing I can do in the air would harm her ever), her anchor hurts Pot's arms whenever they clash, and the dolphin spam comes out so insanely fast that not even low punch comes out fast enough. But the deal with this that bothers me even more is that when I interrupt her dolphin somehow, she's just barely out of reach for me to do any significant damage, meanwhile May gets her meter built up so quickly that she can just throw whales at me all day long. You say that the 6P is a good counter move, but Potemkin's 6P feels so damn sluggish, it never ever comes out in time to stop her, and after her first hit it's already too late and I'm in the corner, taking half my HP in damage. Please, tell me there's a better way to handle this, I don't want to abandon my main or dodge Mays.
play a different game, guilty gear is shit
TOTSUGEKI 🐬🐬🐬🐬🐬🐬🐬🐬🐬🐬🐬🐬🐬🐬🐬🐬🐬🐬🐬🐬🐬🐬🐬🐬🐬🐬🐬🐬🐬🐬🐳
Which move to use as Sin Kiske to counter on latest version?
Had early access thanks to pre-ordering but, ironically, almost no time to play the game yet due to work, lol :(
Looking forward to NOT getting dolphined though ;D
my sister is currently spamming my wish me luck
If you know how to break throws in tekken, this is a piece of cake for you.
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i usually mix up fast dolphin with slow dolphin when they figure out how to punish.
i'm really surprised how much that works......
As an Anji player i'm still figuring out how to deal with May players. The best thing I could do after the S dolphin is S -> Fujin. But even then it's blockable and really just a way to regain a bit of momentum. However I can't contest May's normal attacks as Anji as most of them time I'm the one getting counter hit. And it kinda feels unfair as an Anji player that May's moves are mostly safe, while Anji's are risky.
UPDATE: Apparently what I just said above doesn't work. After blocking the S dolphin, May can back dash and dodge Anji's standing S. And there's nothing in Anji's arsenal that can reach May when she does that. They really need to nerf her dolphin.
As a Ky main, what is a good strategy?
The Dolphins aren't the problem, the problem is the anchor and his hitbox, hiw to deal with it?
May players when they are - "you are only minus if you are a bitch"
*sad face in May*
TOTSUGEKI
ok... WTF IS 6P that is not a button on my xbox controller
I've been challenging dolphins with I-no all day lol
I assume all the Rams and Sols let out a sigh of relief that they got away with this poll.
there's also hammerfall
Why do I think of one move to counter that:
"Mist Finer!?"
Is Sol AA 2D BB a thing?
Before I watch video, I been spamming P
You can use your ears too. Her voice is different for each one.
Assuming you can react on sound in time lol.
@@raywing00 Seriously you can, her tone noticebly different at startup. If you get it down you totally can.
@@Tee3001
You have any vids of you being successful with that consistently?
@@raywing00 nope, have you tried it?
@@Tee3001
Exactly. Which is why I say it sounds good only on theory.
Let me know when you have been able to “hear and beat” consistently.
How do you dolphin spam? I have a heard time throwing out the move, I’m awful with holding back then forward moves. Is there a shortcut?
nope just gotta hold back (or down-back) for about .5 second then forward + slash. It gets easier once you've played for a while
@@jmcrofts thanks bro I love you, the hold holding back concept is stopping me from reaching my true potential
i would 100% believe that May mains are extremely skilled but just refuse to use anything but totsugeki because its funny
Now how do you stop upward dolphin lol
As a may player I am In pain. They took away all the tricks with half of her special moves, we don’t wanna do this it’s just what we have to do, why Jm why
They needed a villain so they made one.
Thanks
High level may players don’t even dolphin that much because other high levels players can actually punish
We May players must keep this information hidden from the public
Unless you're playing nago and there's no such thing as plus
man its one thing to be able to interrupt that move in training mode but I don't think I could ever pull that off in an actual match when that is one of a million potential things I need to be looking for. I don't get how people do this.
You’d be surprised how naturally it can come with experience. Keep at it!
just remember this, she has to charge the move, if she is walking forward she doesnt have it charged, so assume wherever she inst walking forward (attacking you with a normal included) she is buffering the move and can do it at any time, so throw out buttons like a fS or 6p preemptively to catch her, or jump and whiff punish.
How do you evade Solbadguy's super?
I can't seem to block or jump over it
As May? Just 6K.
@@raywing00 figured it out thanks. I just spam dolphin now, seems to be working lol
Honestly I feel like if they see you try to challenge a good may will just use that to bait you into a rc combo or something lmao
People complaining about May never played xrd, no longer do you have to deal with the otter's slow screen control bouncing ball or trap dolphins. And that walrus spiking a beachball is no replacement for the otter in anyway, would trade it back for the otter in 5 seconds.
How to Mr. Dolphin on controller?
Wrong title. It’s not dolphin move, its the TOTSUGEKIIII
I didn't know, Thanks Dawg! :) Now I know. 2:30
Wish the dolphins were like different colors.........
What if I'm just really slow and scared of dolphins?
Pot Buster.
Holy fuck. I just ran into a may that abused this. Thank you!
Ya, sure, but have ya seen how the whales broken? ;P
Give me a guide to stop sol from pressing buttons like crazy man, I'm begging you 😭
the dolphin is cute and a great move but, some people using it are just crap.
The day that goldlewis was released i went online dont even knowing how to use it but i was having fun learning on the go until I encountered a certain guy using may (Corgi I will not forget your crimes) he started to spam totsugeki as soon the figth started and was pretty much the only thing he did. totsugeki cheese players are the only ones that i couldnt stop.
🐬TOTSUGEKI🐬
Just defense also works
Would it be possible to armor through dolphin with potemkin?
Yep
@@sergeantstrawberry nice and thank you for responding
fd and jab beat dolphin too.
NOOOO JMCROFTS YOUVE RUINED US MAY MAINS
There’s no way I am the only one who thought may was pregnant in the thumbnail
"subscribe to my clips channel"
*never links clip channel in description*
You're lucky I search it out jm!
it's in the info card, but good call i just put it in the description as well
@@jmcrofts ahhh, I completely forget that exists every time. It's so small. Never hurts to have both!
Noooo don't tell them