Developing With The Lab Box and Cinestill's Cs41 Kit
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- čas přidán 24. 08. 2024
- In todays lesson I'll tell you my methods on developing with the Lab Box and Cinestill's Cs41 Kit. Ill also be a noob and expose my shot roll of Kodak Pro Image 100.
Developing Musts:
Lab Box - cinestillfilm....
Cs41 - cinestillfilm....
Small Measuring cups -www.amazon.com...
Sous Vide - www.amazon.com...
Storage Bottles - www.freestylep...)
Mason Jar - www.amazon.com...
Thermometer - KT THERMO Deep Fry Thermometer With Instant Read,Dial Thermometer,12" Stainless Steel Stem Meat Cooking Thermometer,Best for Turkey,BBQ,Grill www.amazon.com...
Develop it app - apps.apple.com...
ig yo: @calebknueven
#film #Developing #Labbox
We need a more detailed video of how to actually develop it with lab-box.
Hummmmmm I think I can make that happen! 😁🙌🏽
Bad Flashes am waiting 🤩
@@BadFlashes we're ready
@@robertacolindrez5907 This is where I'm heading as well, I've done a detailed B&W video but just researching the colour side at the moment as the chemicals seem to have a much shorter shelf life compared to HC-110...
When it crashed, I lost it 😂 great video I appreciate your humor and knowledge. I developed for the longest using the old tank/dark bag method. BORINGGGGG. As if scanning wasn’t the least annoying part of retrieving images. I’m actually excited to get one of these and trying it out. Subbed. 👏🏿💪🏿
Aww Thanks for digging it dude! I totally new that was going to happen! AND yeah the tank is boring... Try it! Lab Box is DOPE!
Do not save up a bunch of film rolls to do a "developing night" if you use the LabBox. The LB does one roll at a time, then has to be cleaned and fully dried on order for the film loading to work properly. You will spend more time washing and waiting to dry the reels than you will running the complete film development process. Either casually do a roll or two at one sitting, or pass on the LB and get a more conventional tank setup (which will also cost a lot less $$$) and make a dark place to load the tank with multiple reels of film.
Randall Stewart You are not wrong at all. It does take some time to clean up the Lab Box tank just to then go back and do another roll. But the thing I would say as a newcomer to developing is... It takes me less time to clean the Lab Box then it does to put a 120 roll on to a Patterson spool. I’ve tried years ago and thats why i never got into home developing. I know Practice makes perfect, but in this case I would preferred a quick rinse and dry to do the next roll.
Paterson tanks/reels are junk. Any other brand will be easier to use and not leak like a sieve. During the Kickstarter, one of the "come-ons" was the inclusion of a second reel so you could use a second reel while the first one is drying. That promise went in the dumpster when they designed separate 120 and 35mm reels, and they cheated on that by providing only one reel core for two reel flang sets, meaning that (1) you cannot do the two reels two-step originally planned, and (2) who have to break down the reel and reassemble each time you change film type. In the end. They also failed to produce the digital tank top which was what arguably made the tank worth its high price. They say it will come along in January 2020 - don't hold your breath, as they seem to be working hard to forget producing it.
If you are starting new at this, the Cinestill water heater looks like an optional luxury, but if you are going to do color film, it quickly earns back its cost in frustration and hassle avoided. To reduce cost, pass the Cinestill unit at $100 and check out a similar product sold by Film Photographers Project (FPP) for $50.
Randall Stewart i didn’t know the FPP had one. Damn maybe I should have looked out for that. As for the souve... I really have not had any problems setting it put and keeping the chemicals at temp. Maybe someday I can graduate to the Cinestill one... But till then ill cook my meat and develop my film with the same tool 🤣
You’re funny… and very helpful! 🙏
Omg. Well thank you! :)
Fantastic channel, so glad I found it, I bought the lab box second hand thats how I found your channel. Have watched about five vids, I think your channel is going to be very big and you deserve that. Ive come from s Sony A73 and am finding the whole film stuff fascinating, do you have any guide lines to best help me with the right measurements for the lab box? I will be starting off using black and white thanks :) Tim
Aw thanks! That means ton :) ... I do love the a7iii! Thats the one I have and use for my digital work. For the most part I would just the video and my Lab Box 2.0 video to help give you most of the guidelines. As far as measurements, I would follow the guidelines from the chemicals tech papers. Those will help with the rations.... and just watch for overfilling or things get messy ... Good Luck!
hmm it looks like motor from match box could do a trick with agitation :3 huh im gonna try do lab box by myself from match box
Thanks so much for this video - it has restored my faith in getting back into the at home developing process. Just curious if you could add links for each of the tools/ supplies. I just wanna make sure I have everything and for the best price!
DOPE!!!! I’m glad to help! I didn’t answer 4 hours ago bc I was ... developing!!!! Check the description. I should have links to things. Don’t worry about the mason jars. I don’t use those for anything anymore.
Bad Flashes wait why don’t you use the mason jars? How are you heating up the chemicals?
I now just heat them inside the storage bottles. They hold more than chemicals than the jars when I’m batching more chemicals together.
Also after a while the jar lids got rusty and I was worried about getting rust in the chemicals
@@BadFlashes so the storage bottles don't melt? thats awesome! also thanks so much for your help!
What tub are you using to put the chemicals (still in the jars) in? How big does it need to be? I also hope to see you do a video where you show the development in the lab box process!
It’s just a dollar store tub just big enough for the three bottles to fit in it. And I totally plan on it. :)
I have the same lab box but need the measuring cups...
OXO 1245380 Good Grips 4-Piece Mini Measuring Beaker Set,Clear www.amazon.com/dp/B008X5HRZU/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_E3vFEb53JXRE6
When you open the door with film in it does it ruin all the film that has been shot or just the parts of the film you can see?
It depends on how the film is spooled … but mostly it’s a goner 😔
You might have mentioned it in the video and I’ve just blatantly missed it... but how do you keep the temperature right once you’ve poured the chemicals into the lab-box? Or does it not matter. I’ve just been gifted one and can’t wait to try it, but don’t want to mess it up.
Steve Tolloczko Oh nice! Well I hope you enjoy! Once you heat the chemicals up to the right temp, just pour them in. The chemicals wont cool down enough for it to make any difference at all once in the box... Unless you leave them there... but then you will have different issues :) Honestly just follow along with the instructions and all will be good. If you haven’t seen my second video... that definitely helps give some more good info I wish I had in the beginning . Happy Developing!
Bad Flashes developed 4 rolls so far, enjoying the process! I am finding that the images I’m getting are incredibly grainy, and not in a good way. Any ideas what I’m doing wrong? Over or under developing? 😫
Steve Tolloczko What chemicals are You using? And are you sticking to those times? If that’s the case it might be your exposure or your camera shutter might need some adjustments ... 🤷🏼
Since u did it with half recipe (3:35-3:38) , what about the other half? What did u do with that? And how u stored it?
I just keep it in the bottles it comes in... in the box it comes with. I only use the Cinestill c41 kit... I haven’t used any other color developer yet.
Bad Flashes at a normal temperature right?
Bad Flashes that sounds good actually, because u already can use the mixed liquid a couple of times and after that u use the other half that u didn’t mix yet!
But do u know how many times the mixed liquids can be used?
Yes normal temp.
I do 5 rolls per batch. 5 each. 10 in total...
You should watch my Canon EOS 1n video for what happens when you extend chemicals. Haha
Where do you get those measuring cups and who makes them?
On amazon!!!!
I opened the back of one of my cameras and it had about half a roll taken... i was sad as well.
Oh nooo, sorry for your loss. That’s never fun!
Bad Flashes I already have some 1 liter amber bottles, some 1ltr (plastic) graduated cylinder, my funnels are coming today and I ordered a Sous Vide and the CS-41 color kit from CineStill. I can finally develop my color film soon
Hell yasssss excited for you!!!!!! Have fun!
How much did you end up spending on the dumbed down basic equipment?
I would say around $60 not including the LabBox. Most of the items are either from the dollar store or the cheapest things off Amazon. I would also add a larger plastic measuring cup... it makes it easier to pour than the mason jars.
@@BadFlashes Would you know what the best and cheapest developing tank would be? And would I really need something to heat the water up and what not? Could I ever possibly get away with using hot tap water?
The Restoration of Dr Who ... You could buy a Patterson Tank from eBay or Craigslist that rangers from $10-$40.
And you can definitely use hot tap water but it’s hard to keep the temperature consistent especially your first time. It’s also a giant pain and takes much longer. My first time doing it that way I needed to add boiling water to keep my water temperature at the right temp. With all the steps going on I wanted one thing to be consistent and work haha
@@therestorationofdrwho1865 Get an AP brand tank, which is also sold as the rebadged house brand of tank at both B&H and Freestyle. Better design than Patterson and usually somewhat cheaper at around $25. Skip buying used plastic reel tanks from ebay or CL. You don't save much money that way, and the product often comes with the reels fouled by lack of cleaning, making them hell to load.
Wondering what are the exact measurements you did when you halved the chemicals? Also thanks for making this video!
Using the liquid kit is quite easy to half. Each bottle is like 8oz and 4 oz and 2oz or something like that. So it’s pretty Wright forward. There is a card in the kit that gives directions on the amounts.
And your welcome ☺️
So... question, please! I have a lab box too but didn't start using it yet. With the Cinestill c41 kit it says you get roughly 24 rolls from the chemicals. If you're halving the recipe because the lab box doesn't hold much liquid and only holds a single roll at a time... does that mean you're able to develop more than 24 rolls? Or is it still the same? Trying to figure that out. Thanks!
Naw it’s what the box says. Halving the chemicals doesn’t extend the the the chemistry further... hope that helps.
@@BadFlashes It does-- Thank you, man, really appreciate it.
Of course 🥳
Love your video, not you, I'm not gay. Fantastic presentation. I gained some real insight into using the Lab Box. Thanks.
Well I love you! Thanks So much for stopping by! I'm glad that I could help in any way possible. :)
Looking back from August 2020, here's my take on the economics of Lab-Box, now that they have finally produced about 95% of what they promised their Kickstarter backers. While the Paterson tank system is a piece of crap, there are others similar which do a good job for about $30. The retail price on LB basic parts is about $200 for a 35mm/120 setup, plus another $90 for the digital lid option. Add the reel crank which he recommends here and you are over $300. That is TEN TIMES the cost of conventional tank with two reels. So, with that cost ratio, how is the LB for someone new to DIY film processing? Answer: It is not! The Kickstarter folks like me got a discount plus a few additional bits on the side. So, a full LB package which would cost you $320 or so, cot me $180. At my price, the cost or value received is questionable. The effective buyer target is someone already into darkroom work, who doesn't really need a Lab-Box unit, who is drawn to gadgets, and has a lot of disposable cash to basically waste. I suggest that in the whole world, half of those folks were in the some 750 Kickstarter backers, and their might be another 750 out there who will pay full retail. After that, those additional retail products are going just gather dust in the warehouse. I submit that the current retail prices of LB are hugely inflated and unnecessary. Remember that the cost of development and setting up production were paid for by me and other KS backers. Ars didn't have much financial skin in that game. Even so, Ars got 7 times as much money as they sought and claims to have burned though it such that they have to change their KS backers more money just to fulfill the KS package. The other side of that coin is that their future costs are limited to production materials and labor, marketing and profit. That could price the LB down to retail at $75, opening up a whole new market. But, they aren't going to do that. The current retail is based on a significant markup over the KS cost to start the LB production, totally artificial and hugely excessive, because ARS is as bad at marketing as they were at production design. Prediction: in 2 years, new LB availability will be limited to product on hand in the warehouses of venders, manufacturer's support will be gone, and the LB will effectively be history. As inventory reduces, there will be a final "blow out sale" for retailers to clean it out - probably around $75 each.
I concur!
For what it's worth, we are now three years later, so how did my predictions work out? (1) ARS-Imago has never done any marketing for the Lab-Box. (2) ARS-Imago provides absolutely no support or customer reply to inquiries. (They are still in business.) (3) Official prices remain unreduced, so I was wrong there. Rather than a "blow out" followed by termination, there seems to be a slow leakage or trickle of sales. The big aspect I never anticipated is that the Chinese manufacturer which ARS-Imago hired to make the parts and assemble the tank is currently making the Lab-Box on its own, selling it though Ali-Express (like a Chinese Amazon) for less than $40, i.e., less than 30% of the ARS price. These are not just "similar". They are a Lab-Box in every respect, including the name plate.
This ahhhh, just is disturbing
In what way? Lol
a lot of yap yap, but saw nothing!!!!!!!!!!! got half way thro couldn't take any more.. sorry!
yeah, I feel ya ... it was my first video ... I can't watch this one anymore either... Hopefully you like some of the newer better produced ones 😆