8 Must Have Mods for the BRZ, FR-S, 86
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- čas přidán 16. 06. 2024
- There are a lot of mods in the aftermarket for the Subaru BRZ, Toyota 86, and Scion FR-S, and for very good reason. This platform is inexpensive but offers an incredibly fun driving experience with ample amounts of opportunity to modify for personalization and performance. In this video we cover 8 must-have mods to consider for your BRZ, giving you a great place to start on your journey of modification.
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///HEADERS///
Tomei Unequal Length Headers: motoroso.link/03a819
Tomei Equal Length Headers: motoroso.link/f0d7ca
Borla: motoroso.link/e7c482
///BRAKE PADS///
StopTech Sport Front Brake Pads: motoroso.link/56f56a
StopTech Sport Rear Brake Pads (Vented Rotors): motoroso.link/3439d5
Hawk HPS Front Brake Pads: motoroso.link/523b2a
Hawk HPS Rear Brake Pads (Vented Rotors): motoroso.link/62e11c
///BRAKE KITS///
StopTech Street Axle Pack - Solid Rear Rotors: motoroso.link/0b709d
StopTech Street Axle Pack - Vented Rear Rotors: motoroso.link/dd73fa
///BRAKE FLUID///
Motul RBF 660 Brake Fluid: motoroso.link/26a562
///THROTTLE MODULE///
aFe Sprint Booster: motoroso.link/5498f1
JET Performance Xcelerator: motoroso.link/e50e7c
Pedal Commander: motoroso.link/f6d48e
///COILOVERS///
ST Suspension ST X Coilovers: motoroso.link/26542d
ST Suspension XA Coilovers: motoroso.link/71a490
///CAT-BACK EXHAUST///
Invidia N1 Exhaust (Stainless Steel Tips): motoroso.link/4012a5
Invidia N1 Exhaust (Burnt TitaniumTips): motoroso.link/c3316f
Magnaflow Exhaust: motoroso.link/207cca
Perrin Performance 2.5” Exhaust: motoroso.link/8aeace
Perrin Performance 3” Exhaust: motoroso.link/cdc10a
///COLD AIR INTAKE///
Injen: motoroso.link/1f6788
Mishimoto: motoroso.link/08e8f4
aFe Takeda: motoroso.link/2046cd
K&N Filter: motoroso.link/baa1bd
aFe Filter: motoroso.link/5d3cbd
///SUPERCHARGER///
HKS GT V3: motoroso.link/a75492
Edelbrock: motoroso.link/cac9f3
Vortech: motoroso.link/980999
CHAPTERS ========================================
0:00 - Intro
0:35 - Headers
2:57 - Tune
3:23 - Wheels and Tires
4:25 - Brakes
6:09 - Throttle Module
7:05 - Coilovers
8:27 - Cat-Back Exhaust
9:32 - Cold Air Intake
10:20 - Supercharger
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Does the Invidia exhaust support raytracing?
I understand this joke
🤣🤣
Should give around 205 FPS
Ahahahaha
Nice.
From personal experience, if you boost it 7+psi with a good set of tires and a clutch you can beat a 5.0 on rolls
In my personal experience the 13 model year likes to eat rod bearings for like no reason at all
@@hayden8491
Possibly but it’s the first model year of that engine. I work at a Toyota dealer and the 2014 and newer frs/86 typically come in for just normal service. The 2013 model years seem to be the problem children
@@Trex6767 but Toyota’s are reliable no matter what though! 🤣🤣 Says every Toyota fanboy
@@Trex6767 lol I just purchased a new short block due to this :( hopefully its an updated version of it haha
@@Trex6767 Not true, 2013 here running 12.5psi on stock internals. Has been extremely reliable
This is literally everything I needed to build my MF Ghost 86. Thank you for compiling this and for the in depth videos. So much help
You're welcome, glad it's helpful! Let us know if/when we can help with any mods, motoroso.com, 833.MOTOROSO
@@Motoroso I definitely will! I'll have some questions when I get to Attacking the suspension. Trying to stay na but max out handling capability for very aggressive street and track driving. Want it to stay road legal (I'm in alabama so don't have to pass smog) but it will very rarely be driven on public streets
@@CCGtavern Right on, sounds like a great build!!
Hey! I'm building an MF Ghost 86 as well! It's almost done and I've done TONS of research on parts for it. Just imported the actual wheels from the manga after YEARS of sleuthing around for them. Hit me up if you're interested to hear more! : )
@@skyty0 thats awesome! I've been doing tons of research on all I'd need but would love to see what you've found and gotten!
Thanks Motoroso for the video. I went with a nice combo for my brz. One of the best videos out there to inform. Then I went and listened to some videos of said exhaust.
Such a well-informative video, man!
Amazing video. Thank you for your knowledge
the only mod i've done so far is probably the wheels/tires, and the invidia n1 exhaust. completely new to the car world, but this video helped me see some things i should do in the future. thanks for the tips, though i probably will be going to the support help to get some more insight on what/why i should be modding things the way i should or should not be.
Been driving my brothers Frs while he’s overseas in the marines he’s done a good job with the mods. Wider / better tires, BC racing coils, UEL catless headers, oft tune, invidia cat back, wheels, and drop in filter as it actually is better for N/A power gains then a cold air intake.
Actually a great video on first mods.
Love this video man!!! Been having my brz 3 years and it’s it’s time to get more out of it!
Awesome! Glad you found it helpful! Hit us up at Motoroso.com when you’re ready, or if there’s anything else we can help with.
This video is legendary. Thank you so much for all of the useful information, and prices on the items mentioned during the video. Truly this channel deserves more subs. Bless you
Thanks very much, glad you like it! Prices are definitely getting a little outdated now with inflation raising everything, but pretty tough to avoid that reality. Appreciate the support!
I have my FR86 set up as my daily driver. 1# first mod: K&N drop in filter is better than ANY cold air intake. 2# Get wheels and tires. 3# Suspension. #4 Open Flash Tablet. #5 headers. Enjoy. Edit: I got the Greddy/Remark muffler delete and it sounds awesome.
How much horses did u get out of this
@@stalwartservant4063 header/tune net 95% gains. Most headers with a tune net around 20-30whp.
Every other exhaust part maybe add a few whp all together.
@@MyGoToUserName thnx for the info
What's an fr86?
@@OdinTheGiant scion frs, scion was toyotas company so fr86
Perfectly compiled video. I just have one question, can the stock internals handle boost? And until how much psi? Thanks.
Have a 2020 BRZ completely stock, made it do 109mph in Mexico with no stress to engine, and even tho road wax semi bumpy I didn’t realize I was going that fast I thought I was going slower
How is this not a bigger channel with thousands of likes and hundreds of comments? Amazing video and super informative 🙏 I’m buying a 2015 Suburu BRZ this June-July
Dude, wow, thank you!!!! Really appreciate that. We try!
Was thinking the same thing!!
As someone who's been through the gambit of every mod you can think of for these cars, here's what I would do if I have a stock 86 to start from scratch with, listed in the order I would do them in:
1. Summer tires
2. Alignment + camber bolts (-2 in front)
3. Motul fluid in diff and transmission
4. MTEC shift and clutch springs
5. Whiteline bushing inserts (literally any combination of them)
6. Tune
7. Headers
8. Coils + suspension adjustment kit
Even doing just the first 5, you can completely transform this car for less than ~$500. These cars already have a decently low ride hight at stock so, unless you only care about looks, I personally wouldn't bother lowering it unless you're going all out with bumpsteer kits, control arms, etc. It already has a low enough center of gravity that adding any handling mod makes a drastic difference, especially on a street car.
Happy tuning!
Hey what exhaust do u suggest on a Gt 86?
Can you expound on the reason for #3?
@@MrMajoJA Hey ur cute😉
@@MrMajoJA Yes I can! Replacing you gear oil increases the lifespan of your trans and diff, and also increases performance. The difference felt in the diff is negligible (it's mainly for peace of mind), but changing the trans fluid is where this mod really shines. The difference is night and day. Shifts feel MUCH smoother over stock and the gearbox in general is much less notchy.
No idea what the stock trans/diff fluid is, but it's likely cheap to save cost and I doubt it's as robust as any aftermarket gear oil you can buy. Changing your gear oil out with ANY 75W-90 fluid (even OEM fluid) will instantly improve response and longevity, so might as well replace it with something that's much much beefier than the stock fluid while you're at it, right? MOTUL 300 is my favorite, as it has tons of long term anti-wear additives and was designed specifically for brass synchros, which all 86s (even the new ones) are fitted with.
would you mind clarifying which (whiteline) bushing inserts to get? new to this stuff, thanks!
A transmission bushing that goes in the gap of the trans brace, makes the trans way more direct feeling. Atleast on the manual. I am also running a carbon driveshaft as well.
Do underdrive pulleys improve power/performance? If yes which are good? Thank you EXCELLENT VIDEO btw
I subscribe to the quality of this video.
*I have the JDL turbo kit on my FR-S with E85 the car is so much more fun to drive!*
Awesome video just got a 2016 brz
Glad you found it helpful! Let us know if we can help with any of your mods when you're ready. You can find us at www.motoroso.com, on live chat, or toll free at 833.MOTOROSO
Boost it
Believe it or not, the best mod I've done so far is getting the transmission and differential fluids changed (manual car). The tires have been a big one as well, but that's a common upgrade
Thanks for the recommendations! How would you best describe the changes/benefits that you found by changing the fluids?
Hey there nice Video. Just wanted to inform that the wrong Link is on the Invidia N1 Exhaust (Stainless steel Tips). Keep on moving!
Hey, thanks for letting us know! We went ahead and fixed that for you all. Here's the correct link if you're interested in checking it out! www.motoroso.com/p/1728256-invidia-12-scion-frsbrz-60mm-n1-ti-tip-cat-back-exhaust?lid=1800712
My build is as follows :
1. JDL UEL turbo kit
2.JDL Dual resonated FP
3.GREDDY SUPER STREET TITAN CATBACK
4.KW V3 COILOVERS
5.ECUTEK Tune
I subed because of this video.
Nice video very informative event for a begginer car guy 😊
Great video, but gotta say you could improve it by maybe change the scene up a little, meaning, instead of having you behind the desk constantly, show us some clips of the parts and what it does to the car
I was about to pick up an frs. Last minute I changed my mind and got a 370z. No regrets
I've pretty much done everything on the list 😆.
Had a Corsa exhaust, then sold it went back to stock catback when I added headers.
- Racecomp yellow springs/Bilstein B6, camber/crash bolts for added camber.
- Gruppe-s header/Overpipe
- OFT with custom tune
- K&N drop in filter with a Perrin inlet hose
- 17x8 wheels with stickier tires
- High temp fluid with stoptech sports pads
One simple mod I absolutely love are Mtec shift springs. They are cheap and relatively simple to install, and add a nice snappy feel between shifts.
hahaah I have the exact setup the recommended minus forced induction.
ST coil overs, stoptech rotors, 255 on the back with rotas, Borla UEL, OFT stage 1, silicon intake
👏👏🙌
Shouldn’t you be stage 2+ with the oft?
It’s for uel catless headers
*MY OPINION AS AN OWNER OF ONE OF THE TWINS*
1: Catless header all the way, equal length IMO sounds better and less raspy than UEL. Some equal header outperform uel in torque dip(ACE).
2: OFT SUCKS. Ecutek and be done with.
3: Tires. YES! I always recommend going with a square set up. 17x9/9.5 +35-40. Go with 18s lowered and you can say goodbye to your axles, 18s are doable but you’ll have to stay around 1-2 inch drop from stock height.. Works well even with stock power. I recommend everyone check out RT660 OR A052s for track use or Indy 500s for daily/street abuse.
4: Personally I like Carbotech XP10s for track and XP6s for street and DBA rotors.
5: Never heard of using a chip for “throttle response”. Just lighten up the drivetrain with LWFW and a driveshaft. Highly recommend whiteline bushings for diff,subframe, and trans. If you’re afraid to void warranty... do as you wish.
6: I would not cheap this one out. Personally $1000 should be your bare minimum. Don’t believe the “this car has great handling” it has it’s flaws. Definitely can use more suspension tweaking, but it’s all up to you as the driver which way you want to take your build. Personally I would look into companies such as: Racecomp engineering, KWs, ST, Tein, and Ohlins. You will need rear LCAs to help with the negative camber it’ll produce from being lowered.
7: Personally invidia N1 is exactly how it’s marketed, CHEAP. That’s all I’m going to say. Perrin is decent, but people have experience blow outs. I like the CSGxMXP, 70MM piping(good for NA OR FI)
8: Yes, OEM FLOWS BEST. No need to debate.
9: Personally, turbo all the way. It’s great for track use and street-able if the tune is set up right. If you really want SC, JRSC(Kraftwerks is the same)or Edelbrock IMO.
This is my take on the matter. Overall, very good video detailing the twins’ “speed” flaw and addressing known changes that DOES change the car’s performance dramatically.
Lol I don’t need much with the 2018 ts BRZ got the upgraded brembos,under body struts and under the hood support handles way better then a stock
I was wondering about things like strut tower bar, mid frame brace and things like that how come there’s on that from you?
I’m thinking to buy toyota gt 86 which plate should i go for ?? Any suggestions.,?
Great video !!!!
Technically equal length headers are tuned to specific rpm ranges (usually somewhere in the top end) where with unequal length headers the tuning is for different rpm ranges on exhaust valve. The phenomenon that effects that also applies to intake runners. Both also apply to rotories because the seals are functionally values, this is how the r26b in the 787b had such a wide power band while still na.
Valenti tail lights. Just makes the rear of the car so good at low lights.
And is so unique compared too so many lights on the road
Don't know if someone has asked this, but what about turbocharging it? Of course, you have top end gains, but is it easier with the torque dip and all? I'm a bit nee to this.
Ive got 18x9 wheels and i woukd like to see square look tires what could be the recommendations if my budgets are $200~300 for each tyres
I miss UEL headers, I snatched a ridiculously cheap turbo kit that uses EL so I had to make the sacrifice. For now.
There is a turbo kit cheaper than any of
The super chargers he said it’s the speed by design turbo kit. It only runs at $3200 and will get you way more power I’m at 392 WHP on 13psi
What kit your running?
I have a supercharged frs very happy with it yes won’t make as much power but I live in California so yea 😂
@@matthewshadd4083 what year frs do you have? Thinking about getting one
I just bought a BRZ and was wondering if anyone put UEL headers on and didn’t have to tune the car. Will it mess with AFR’s? I know you won’t really gain power without a tune, but wondering if it’s still good to daily and sometimes get on it without tuning.
Im just gonna ls2 swap mine when i get it.
I know nothing about cars!! But I love driving. I just bought a 2017 Toyota 86. What should I do first??
Watch this video… and then See which tickles your fancy!
Can the throttle model be substituted when you get a tune? Its a definitely a feature I would like to have.
The two work independently, can use both.
I really like the car! It looks powerfull but its not. Honestly its like when youre driving 50 mp/h it feels like youre driving way over that and its pretty awsome!
With the right performance mods you can make it way faster than stock.. but still, they're great cars and fun to drive.
In Australia we have a power to weight limit while on our first years of our licenses. So I plan to buy mine and save for mods until it's legal
@@willmcc05 I’m doing the same thing, I’m gonna turbo mine when I get off my Ps
I have the brembo brake set with the 2017 BRZ. Would you recommend the same pads to replace the stock pads? Thanks!
Yeah, the pads we mention are all still great options, but we'll need to make sure they're the correct pads for your application.Which ones are you looking for?
A clutch pack LSD is the best mod I've done.
Where the decals on the door from on the thumbnail
I’m in California will any of this cause the car not to pass a smog test?
My build so far:
-Catless uel headers
-Light weight crank pulley
-OFT STAGE 2+e85
-Remark muffler delete
-HPS intake
-Grams 72mm throttle body
Feel free to ask questions about any of those parts
How’s your experience with the oft and e85? I’m gonna get headers and e85 is everywhere here. Did you have to get flex fuel kit before doing the e85 tune?
@@user-white007 No flex fuel kit needed as long as you have a tune. To change the car to e85 i just emptied my tank and flashed the ethanol tune before filling up. Ive been running e85 for a year now, and have a friend thats doing the same for 8 months with his his brz. No issues at all, it is important to note that if you live in area that gets snow in the winter or just really cold, cold starts crank for longer until the car actually starts, and once started might want to rev it lightly or else the engine might just stall. Not really an issue at all just important to keep in mind
@@user-white007 e85 is 100% worth it, gains are very immediate and makes the car a-lot more enjoyable and fun to drive. Once you get it, switching back will not be option because itll feel like a massive downgrade
@@itsfantom3020 read the first comment and thought sweet I’ll just flash it back in the winter. But if it makes that much of a difference maybe not. Very excited to do this
Are you running E85 on the stock fuel system? Will it eat up the tank/rail/injectors/fuel lines? Or have you had any fuel issues related to that?
Uncatted headers are very loud and give a bad exhaust smell. I used to slide all over the road when i got my 86, came with 17x7.5 Prius tires
I'm no car person but I am planning to get a Scion FR-S pretty soon and I know nothing of mods. I was looking into getting the Varis Widebody Full Kit. So without any experience my question is that is it a good kit, and if it is, are there any recommendations you have to add on to that?
Varis widebody is a $13,000 body kit, if you know nothing about cars then maybe not go out buying a kit like that, considering install will be an extra $2,000 and paint $5,000 unless you wrap.
@@Scirollo what would you recommend?
@@zehnyth1205 Buy one learn about cars by working on it, slowly progress through upgrades until you know exactly what direction you want to take the car in
@@Scirollo aight forsure, i appreciate that
Also when is the separate suspension video releasing?
We just got it out today! Here's the link: czcams.com/video/DxdwLKIv0tA/video.html
not gonna talk about the jackson racing c38?
i dont have this car and have no intention of buying this car still watched the whole vid lol
what about special editions BRZ... I mean... I have the factory Brembo 4pots, the SACHS dampers... and apparently being lucky it's a north american model (TORSEN LSD) because they seem to exist BASE BRZ with open diffs
Is there any debate between supercharger and turbo? I have been looking at the HKS turbo kit @$5000 it seems like the ability to change the boost vs a set psi from supercharger would be the pro. What is the con?
Most of the time the supercharger is better for a consistent power curve with better performance in the lower end turbos are mostly meant for bigger gains but are usually in the higher end of the rpm range it’s mostly preference low end torque or high end speed
im getting a gr86 2022 could you do a mod videon on it if possible?
We will definitely be making a Must Have Mods video for the new generation. It may be a while until products are released, and only time will tell what these upcoming capable cars are going to need. We imagine it's a similar list to this video, but with a new power plant, we would expect people to be pushing these motors a bit more! Definitely reach out to us at 833.668.6767 once you get it, and we'd be happy to help you out!
Yeah I don't like the fa20, its not a reliable motor when you put power to it. So that's why I have a turbo k24 for my frs. In my opinion the sound of a turbo UEL fa20 sound better then. Turbo k24 but the reliability and power capability you can get from a k24 is way better.
I didn't know you needed a tune for a new exhaust
On a catback you can get away without it, but squeeze a little more out with a tune, but for anything like a header, or cat delete, pretty important to tune.
I have a 2020 86 Toyota anything I can do to improve the sound?
Yeah, check out all the exhaust mods in this other video: czcams.com/video/5ZnfeaxbSxk/video.html
Would it be legal though? Would i pass smog with the Equal length headers?
The Borla headers are 50-state legal!
Wjere can i find the front bumber of the brz in the thumbnail?
Rocket bunny kit
What would be the most best year Brz to buy?
I got a 2020 and love it. It's the last in the gen 1 models so all the problems have ben worked out.
Quick question then brother I’m in California
Can I get catless headers? I have the incidía n1 catback
I also have ps4’s and looking for more power and grip
No catless in CA. We recommend the Borla, they’re 50-state legal, cause they keep the cats in the oem location.
www.motoroso.com/p/54947-borla-17284-short-tube-header-fits-13-17-86-brz-fr-s
Turbo a tune maybe an ls
#1.
The title in hand to sell it faster
What about Jackson Racing Supercharger. It seems around the HKS price with the Vortex power.....anyone have real numbers?!?!
I had their C30 kit running a high boost pulley and i was over 300hp (Thats on E85, and it eventually threw a rod) I think i just got unlucky, but their normal boost pulley should be even safer.
could someone explain how tuning works, im not too clear on it
You might find this helpful.... czcams.com/video/u5cBxxf-mDk/video.html
In all my years in never heard someone say “Toyuburu”
Is it wise to get the BRZ with the Brembo brake setup, or should I get the BRZ limited and use the recommended brake setup from this video?
Which is better?
Hey Tee, it depends what kind of premium you pay for the Brembo equipped. Its definitely a better set up, but the aftermarket rotors and pads will be a major upgrade. The brembo calipers are really the big upgrade there, and they will be signifigantly better than the base calipers. If you have to pay a $2k+ premium for the Brembo equipped car though, then I'd consider getting a full BBK (Big Brake Kit) in the aftermarket (we didn't cover this on our video), and that would be an even more signifigant improvement over the brembo OEM option. It's a trade-off, how much braking performance you're really looking for. If we're talking about street driving, the non-brembo brakes and a good set of rotors and pads will be awesome. If you're looking for some occassional trackdays, the brembo equipped car will be a leg up. If you wanna hit the track HARD and frequenetly, skip the OE brembo's and go straight to an aftermarket BBK. Feel free to give us a call at 833.MOTOROSO if you wanna get into the conversation around a full BBK.
I’m watching this and I don’t even own a car yet this is my dream car though I want one in the future it’s gonna happen one day
At 39 years old… I’m so excited for you! Hope you don’t like money though because car guys spend it all
heat wrap headers or else says manny at hamilton ontario subaru on upper james lol 😆 😂
You guys think this will apply for the 2023 BRZ or Subaru still making fuckups to save an extra dollar?
Please guys with any car you are looking to get the fun for your buck invest in good sets of tires
N1 invidia gang here 😝💨
💯
What’s your knowledge if there’s a deep pocket for a twin charger as couldn’t find much info yet - kinda grand to have a turbo and super for the best of both worlds ?
I’m running my N1 on PSR UEL headers:)
You can do all that without the boost just have a really good tuner. Squeeze a lot of everything for a true NA build.
Do genesis coupeeee
ummm whasint the pic of a invida n2 not 1
i really cannot decide between a brz or a new mini jcw, HELP!
Brz
brz, ive got an frs, and ive driven the jcw. brz is a WAAAAY better car thats gonna treats you better
Think ive decided on the brz, now its just a case of finding one 😂
@@qashews damn good luck man, I’m gonna start looking for one of my own soon.
I think I overpaid for my JDL 4-2-1 coated header. Lol
I paid $1200 for my Ceramic Coated, Catted UEL from FT86
I want to do.a LS swap on one.
Its a biiiiiiig project!!! But absolutely epic.
0:11
I’m stuck should I get a 2020 brz ts or a 2018 V6 Camry
What? BRZ!!!!!
@@Motoroso haha okay I’ve made up my mind thank you.
Oil cooler if you want to race at a proper level.
❤💪💪💪💪💪💪
Talk about headers and not mention ace that is the best? Yes, of course their products are more expensive than anything else.
Not wrong. Should've mentioned in this video too. We cover the ACE in this exhaust deep dive video: czcams.com/video/5ZnfeaxbSxk/video.html
The headers that produce the most midrange torque for this platform are all EL. You are perpetuating myth.
Number one: Engine swap
Number two: Trans swap
You lost me when you said "set of headers" don't know where the second manifold is going on this one...........
😂Truth
Another guy who wants to sell you a load of stuff. Remember that. He wants to sell stuff.
Imagine that… a business that sells products 🤯
You should NOT have recommended cold air intakes and drop in filters. They are both a waste of money that does not increase performance but does significantly increase the chance you'll get water or debris sucked into your engine. They're just overpriced sound enhancers that put your car in danger
Vendedores de piezas
So funny how many people want more power and then you go to buy one and they are all salvage titles. Hmmmmm
Mod #1, a different engine, preferably a Toyota 2AZ-FE
Team EL , UELs sound wack
Just buy a decent car to start. Done in one.
Step 1: pull iron block 5.3 out of junkyard silverado
Step 2: Find a T56 trans, get custom fabricated mounts, weld the tunnel, relocate battery, redo brake lines, purchase standalone ECU, purchase LS harness. Super easy in a youtube comment, but have you done it before? Good luck
Slotted and cross drilled rotors are a marketing scam. They do not perform any better than standard rotors. And make them weaker. Many pro road racing teams do not use slotted or cross drilled rotors. Good pads and fluid is all you need. This dude just wants to sell you stuff.