Thank you for this video. Weighing the new items, weighing and then subtracting the weight of the items removed from the truck was very helpful. Thank you!
HOLY SHIT, putting that bumper on with a winch alone like that is no joke. I did the same bumper install but used a floor jack and a friend. Kudos to you man.
I went with full steel bumpers with bull bar and headlight hoops front & rear. Not so much for offroading, but because I have to go into town once a week.
@@DBCoffroad Pretty much. Several miles from paved roads. Some occasionally see a grader, some don't. It's open range so cattle could be anywhere. We also have a lot of wild burros roaming around.
You’re welcome. So the brackets that came with the Diode Dynamics light bar didn’t fit right. And C4 doesn’t make any Diode Dynamics specific brackets. I tried modifying the Diode brackets but ended up bending them so they still didn’t work. So that project is on hold. Especially for how heavy the bumper is to take off again to install the light bar. 🤦🏻♂️
Really enjoying your content. Right level of details and good teaching skills (ie, good at explaining things in a simple manner). Q: with your final product (all the added weight to stock weight), what’s your MPG now? How much MPG from stock do you think you’ve lost? I seriously want the same mods you’ve done but it’s also my daily driver so not in love with increased gas bills when I’m more of a weekend warrior. Also the loss of MPG impacts longer overland trails where you’ve got to really strategize on your fuel. Bringing along spare fuel just adds more weight but necessary evil.
Thank you! I appreciate it. Right now with gears, 35s and supercharger plus all the weight I get an average 12mpg. It was almost as if each mod I put on took away 1mpg at a time. It’s pretty dismal. Although the 4R was never really efficient anyway. I averaged 17mpg stock. To do it again I wouldn’t add so much weight. There are aluminum skids and aluminum front bumpers I would put on for the weekend warrior instead of the steel I have. I would find a lighter rear bumper or even just use a rear hitch tire carrier like the Rig’d. I would stay with 33s or 34s max tire size. Probably regear to 4.56 instead of 4.88. I’d probably supercharge it again. There’s still a lot of ways to keep weight down. In the end though I wasn’t worried about mpgs.
Thanks for the feedback! Unfortunately I have not needed to use the winch yet. Muddy Beards 4x4 (@muddybeards4x4) did a pretty good review on it though. His review is mainly what helped me decide to purchase it. Check out his videos... czcams.com/video/1nNkCuPWNlg/video.html and czcams.com/video/MubF-PtID_4/video.html
Thanks for watching! The light bar mounts that came with the Diode dynamics light bar don’t fit in the bumper. C4 also doesn’t make Diode specific mounts. So I will have to modify or get something custom done. Just haven’t done it yet.
Cool video. The only thing I cannot find in the internet about this setup: why people are using these high clearance side addons? It seems their weight is huge, but at the same time I don’t see if they add any value to the build (mostly exterior look). Am I wrong? What were your thoughts to have them?
Thanks! I think in theory they are supposed to add extra side protection from rocks. However, I don't really think that matters because they are so high already. I haven't run into any situations where they matter. Except I don't rock crawl. If I did it again, I would just do the "Viper Cut" and save money and weight without the side additions.
Really good video, meant to comment on it the first time I saw it. I really appreciate your effort to show the net difference in weight. Once you got your bumper assembled (ready to install) how long would you say it took to remove the 4Runner front necessary pieces, install the bumper and put back front fascia? I just got my C4 low pro back from powder coating, and installed the LED light bar, no winch for me at this time, and no high clearance. I did get some trim guard to fit on the fascia cut. Maybe that can help reduce the gap on your side additions?
Hey thanks! It doesn't take long to remove the 4Runner stock parts and put the C4 bumper back on. Maybe an hour. What LED light bar did you get? The trim guard might help. The cuts are just off though. I don't like the templates that were sent. Oh well.
Love the Video's DBC and thank you for all the work here in this one, Got a question did you end up getting new 650lb springs? or adjust the preload? I just got a 2023 lunar rock off road premium and one of my future upgrades is this bumper and a Winch after I change out the shocks and springs, just want to make THAT purchase once haha. trying to dial it in with watching and reading these installs. Cheers man and keep up the great content
Hey thanks for the feedback. I really appreciate it. So far I have not adjusted the preload or switched to a 650lb spring. Adjusting the suspension kind of got pushed off a little. I wanted to buy my own professional coil compressor so I can do the changes myself, but that hasn't happened yet. Some of the larger shock sellers like Accutune do a spring swap if you buy from them. You can also call them and they will talk you through your specific build and how you should set it up. Like with valving and spring loads. I hope this helps!
@@DBCoffroad ah on the spring compressor, yeah was looking at getting one as well, I love to do things myself as well, def will check out Accutune options for getting it right the first time, thanks for that direction man. it helps
The Bilsteins are the on the highest amount of lift. The Sherpa rack is good. I sometimes would like something that sits lower in the roof. Prinsu makes one, but it might be harder to mount things especially a tent if you have to reach under it. Otherwise I recommend it.
I tried the floor jack too. It didn't work for me either. Eventually I got a sturdy plastic bin that was about the right height to rest it on until I could align the bolts.
The diode dynamics ones don’t work. I was told to just bend/smash the diode mounts in the opposite direction. And then I ended up just mangling them. So I never mounted the light bar. There are some people that bought some angled sheet metal pieces and drilled their own mounting holes to make it work. I just need to tear the bumper off again to make it happen.
Thanks for watching! It goes on after the C4 bumper. Doing it again I would put painter/mask tape on the bull bar, headlights and a few spots on the plastic where it’s close to the C4 bumper. You end up scratching the plastic trying to put it back on after the C4 is installed.
Just installed the same set up on my 4Runner. Curious how you installed the Diode Dynamics light bar. I ended up modifying an oversized generic bracket off of Amazon to fit.
I wasn't able to get the light bar to fit. I tried modifying the mounts that came with the Diode bar, but couldn't get them to work properly. C4 didn't have a fix that worked. So I just don't have it installed for now.
Luckily no. I just loosened the straps for the coolant line that runs above it and it was able to flex a little and sits on top of the control box. Some winches might be slightly larger though.
With the c4 bumper and high clearance setup I will have identical rig just as yours. With all that weight added, any change in MPG? I’m getting just about 15-16MPG with tires, skid, roof rack and sliders.. I’m getting real nervous about adding 180lbs. Appreciate your feedback.
I really wasn’t keeping track of MPGs. 15-16 is still pretty good. I get 12 average with the supercharger, 35s, 4.88 gears, and all the weight. It’s a downhill slope every time you add something. Smiles per gallon. 😉
@@DBCoffroad I don’t know the exact weight, but I did RCI steel bumper with full hoops, full steel skid plates, winch, lightbar, roofRack, steel sliders… so I figured I needed the 700
@@DBCoffroad I get the height that I want, which is nice, and I can drive pretty quickly offroad without worry of bottoming out (but I also do have Icon 2.5’s with DSC). But the only issue is I get less functional uptravel when rock crawling type driving because it takes a lot of force to compress them.
I have the C4 bumper already installed, have been debating the side clearance addition, but every one that I have seen has that ugly cut that can be seen in the gap between the plastic and the metal. Is the C4 template off? Could it be cut closer so that the cut is hidden by the lip on the additions?
Thanks for watching! So the C4 template they send is off. It’s kinda garbage actually. Which sucks because the product is good. Just not the install or instructions. Part of the problem is you can adjust the bumper up and down about 1/2”. But they don’t account for that adjustment with the template. My bumper is set as low as it will go, which I think created more of the gap. There isn’t really a “lip” on the side additions to cover the gap. It’s just flat that butts up to the plastic. The little bumper tabs they send with it that rest behind the plastic also don’t do anything. They are supposed to push against the plastic to brace it, but they are mounted too far away to matter. On top of all that, the stock bumper is rounded, so it’s hard to cut a straight line on a curving piece. If I were to do it again: 1. I wouldn’t get the side additions and just do the viper cut. Save yourself the weight and frustration. 2. If you just had to have the side additions, I would cut as little plastic as possible, less off than their templates. Then slowly shave/trim up to where it should be. It would be very time consuming, but then it would look better. Hope this helps. Let me know if you have any other questions.
I have the same issue with height. I have Bilstein 5100s on the stock springs on the top perch. I'm curious where I'd be if I replace the stock springs with OME 885 front springs on the bottom or one up perch.
The trans line is in the way about 1/4”-1/2”. It contacts the top of the control box. The fix: I just loosened the two tab mounts holding the line to the frame. There is enough play/bend in the tabs and line that the line just rests on the top of the control box. It’s not forced or compromised at all. The caveat though is that my C4 bumper is adjustable up and down on the frame mounts maybe like 1/2”. I installed the bumper in the lowest position to give more room for the winch. It all fits perfect how I have it setup though. Hope this helps. Thanks for watching!
So I have bilstein 6112 heavy load on. I actually am wanting the weight , along with skids because my spring load is just so dang stiff. My front is about half an inch higher then my rear. (Which bothers me from the slight squat) Either way, thanks for the in depth video
There are other brands that do powder coating. But then they have to spend more to keep it protected in shipping. Plus this way you can choose your own powder texture. There’s pros and cons to both. 🤷🏻♂️
Thank you for this video. Weighing the new items, weighing and then subtracting the weight of the items removed from the truck was very helpful. Thank you!
Awesome. Glad it helped. Thanks for watching!
Can you still use your front camera with the bar on that bumper?
Very informative. Thank you for all the weights before and after.
Thanks for watching.
Thanks for this video! Answered every single question I had. I guess I’ll have to upgrade my springs before making the leap to this bumper.
Thanks for the feedback. Glad it was helpful!
HOLY SHIT, putting that bumper on with a winch alone like that is no joke. I did the same bumper install but used a floor jack and a friend. Kudos to you man.
Haha! Thanks. I was stubbornly determined. Thanks for watching!
I went with full steel bumpers with bull bar and headlight hoops front & rear.
Not so much for offroading, but because I have to go into town once a week.
Do you live out in the middle of nowhere?
@@DBCoffroad
Pretty much. Several miles from paved roads. Some occasionally see a grader, some don't.
It's open range so cattle could be anywhere. We also have a lot of wild burros roaming around.
@@patrickkelly9721 Oh that makes sense. Good idea for more protection up front.
@@DBCoffroad
Like I originally replied, the new bumpers are more for when I'm driving in town (other drivers)
Thanks for taking the time. This was really helpful. I see you decided to save some weight by not installing the light bar. :))
You’re welcome.
So the brackets that came with the Diode Dynamics light bar didn’t fit right. And C4 doesn’t make any Diode Dynamics specific brackets. I tried modifying the Diode brackets but ended up bending them so they still didn’t work. So that project is on hold. Especially for how heavy the bumper is to take off again to install the light bar. 🤦🏻♂️
Good job on that dead lift to get the bumper with winch and light bar up there!!
Haha thanks!
Really enjoying your content. Right level of details and good teaching skills (ie, good at explaining things in a simple manner). Q: with your final product (all the added weight to stock weight), what’s your MPG now? How much MPG from stock do you think you’ve lost? I seriously want the same mods you’ve done but it’s also my daily driver so not in love with increased gas bills when I’m more of a weekend warrior. Also the loss of MPG impacts longer overland trails where you’ve got to really strategize on your fuel. Bringing along spare fuel just adds more weight but necessary evil.
Thank you! I appreciate it.
Right now with gears, 35s and supercharger plus all the weight I get an average 12mpg. It was almost as if each mod I put on took away 1mpg at a time. It’s pretty dismal. Although the 4R was never really efficient anyway. I averaged 17mpg stock.
To do it again I wouldn’t add so much weight. There are aluminum skids and aluminum front bumpers I would put on for the weekend warrior instead of the steel I have. I would find a lighter rear bumper or even just use a rear hitch tire carrier like the Rig’d. I would stay with 33s or 34s max tire size. Probably regear to 4.56 instead of 4.88. I’d probably supercharge it again.
There’s still a lot of ways to keep weight down. In the end though I wasn’t worried about mpgs.
Cheers 🍻. That was a hell of a job! I will probably be swearing like a sailor getting mine on.
Haha thanks!
Thank you! You saved me a lot of time
Awesome!
Respect. Tried the jack and then he was like yeah lets just do it..
Sometimes you gotta just do it. 😂 Thanks for watching!
Impressive you got the bumper on by yourself! Nice job
Haha thanks!
Love your videos ! Reason why I went with the fox 2.5s ! Great video, been following your 4runner build since the beginning!
Awesome! Thanks so much. I appreciate it!
nice details brother, well done! I enjoy your comprehensive videos
Hey thanks! I appreciate the feedback.
Great video very informative and btw the bumper makes your 4Runner look badass
Hey thanks!
I appreciate it.
Looks great!
Very informative. Thanks
Thanks for watching!
Looks great still.
🤘🏻. Thanks for watching!
Great detailed video and very thorough. I am debating on the Badland vs. Warn. How do you like the Badland after some time and use?
Thanks for the feedback!
Unfortunately I have not needed to use the winch yet.
Muddy Beards 4x4 (@muddybeards4x4) did a pretty good review on it though. His review is mainly what helped me decide to purchase it. Check out his videos...
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and
czcams.com/video/MubF-PtID_4/video.html
AMAZING VIDEO, THANK YOU!
Hey thanks! I appreciate it.
Thanks for the video. Good to see the weight added. How do you like the light bar? I didn’t see it in the bumper in your final shot.
Thanks for watching!
The light bar mounts that came with the Diode dynamics light bar don’t fit in the bumper. C4 also doesn’t make Diode specific mounts. So I will have to modify or get something custom done. Just haven’t done it yet.
@@DBCoffroad Gotcha, thanks.
great video. informative to the point nice rig man!
I appreciate it! Thanks for watching.
Im going to put on a westcott lift on my fox trdp suspension so that should more than account for the drop
How much does the Westcott add in lift?
Cool video. The only thing I cannot find in the internet about this setup: why people are using these high clearance side addons? It seems their weight is huge, but at the same time I don’t see if they add any value to the build (mostly exterior look). Am I wrong? What were your thoughts to have them?
Thanks!
I think in theory they are supposed to add extra side protection from rocks. However, I don't really think that matters because they are so high already. I haven't run into any situations where they matter. Except I don't rock crawl.
If I did it again, I would just do the "Viper Cut" and save money and weight without the side additions.
We definitely needed to hear your comments as you we're struggling to hang that by yourself!😂😂😂😂
lots of Bleeps. haha
Really good video, meant to comment on it the first time I saw it. I really appreciate your effort to show the net difference in weight. Once you got your bumper assembled (ready to install) how long would you say it took to remove the 4Runner front necessary pieces, install the bumper and put back front fascia? I just got my C4 low pro back from powder coating, and installed the LED light bar, no winch for me at this time, and no high clearance.
I did get some trim guard to fit on the fascia cut. Maybe that can help reduce the gap on your side additions?
Hey thanks!
It doesn't take long to remove the 4Runner stock parts and put the C4 bumper back on. Maybe an hour.
What LED light bar did you get?
The trim guard might help. The cuts are just off though. I don't like the templates that were sent. Oh well.
Love the Video's DBC and thank you for all the work here in this one, Got a question did you end up getting new 650lb springs? or adjust the preload? I just got a 2023 lunar rock off road premium and one of my future upgrades is this bumper and a Winch after I change out the shocks and springs, just want to make THAT purchase once haha. trying to dial it in with watching and reading these installs. Cheers man and keep up the great content
Hey thanks for the feedback. I really appreciate it.
So far I have not adjusted the preload or switched to a 650lb spring. Adjusting the suspension kind of got pushed off a little. I wanted to buy my own professional coil compressor so I can do the changes myself, but that hasn't happened yet.
Some of the larger shock sellers like Accutune do a spring swap if you buy from them. You can also call them and they will talk you through your specific build and how you should set it up. Like with valving and spring loads.
I hope this helps!
@@DBCoffroad ah on the spring compressor, yeah was looking at getting one as well, I love to do things myself as well, def will check out Accutune options for getting it right the first time, thanks for that direction man. it helps
Nice looking rig , what setting do you have your bilstein at to get 40 inch up front? And how do you like the Sherpa rack
The Bilsteins are the on the highest amount of lift. The Sherpa rack is good. I sometimes would like something that sits lower in the roof. Prinsu makes one, but it might be harder to mount things especially a tent if you have to reach under it. Otherwise I recommend it.
Nice work
Thank you!
Thanks for watching!
I tried the floor jack too. It didn't work for me either. Eventually I got a sturdy plastic bin that was about the right height to rest it on until I could align the bolts.
Haha. Work smarter not harder. I was being stubborn. Thanks for watching!
Did you buy different light bar mounts from c4 or did the diode dynamics mont work?
The diode dynamics ones don’t work. I was told to just bend/smash the diode mounts in the opposite direction. And then I ended up just mangling them. So I never mounted the light bar. There are some people that bought some angled sheet metal pieces and drilled their own mounting holes to make it work. I just need to tear the bumper off again to make it happen.
Awesome video! For the front plastic bumper,, did that go on before or after installing the c4 bumper?
Thanks for watching!
It goes on after the C4 bumper. Doing it again I would put painter/mask tape on the bull bar, headlights and a few spots on the plastic where it’s close to the C4 bumper. You end up scratching the plastic trying to put it back on after the C4 is installed.
@@DBCoffroad appreciate it. All the tips and tricks will help. Did you paint the bumper yourself?
@@JakeJake2308 🤘🏻
Just installed the same set up on my 4Runner. Curious how you installed the Diode Dynamics light bar. I ended up modifying an oversized generic bracket off of Amazon to fit.
I wasn't able to get the light bar to fit. I tried modifying the mounts that came with the Diode bar, but couldn't get them to work properly. C4 didn't have a fix that worked. So I just don't have it installed for now.
what year is your 4runner? how come you had a centering stub which allowed you to lift the bumper and install it yourself!!??
2021.
Centering stub? I just used some of the hardware and ran the bolt in from the back of the frame so it stuck out forward.
Did you have to relocate the control box for the winch?
Luckily no. I just loosened the straps for the coolant line that runs above it and it was able to flex a little and sits on top of the control box. Some winches might be slightly larger though.
With the c4 bumper and high clearance setup I will have identical rig just as yours.
With all that weight added, any change in MPG? I’m getting just about 15-16MPG with tires, skid, roof rack and sliders.. I’m getting real nervous about adding 180lbs.
Appreciate your feedback.
I really wasn’t keeping track of MPGs. 15-16 is still pretty good. I get 12 average with the supercharger, 35s, 4.88 gears, and all the weight. It’s a downhill slope every time you add something.
Smiles per gallon. 😉
I added a ton of weight to my tacoma; needed 700 lb springs lol.
Do you know how much weight? Did you do the full overland front bumper?
@@DBCoffroad I don’t know the exact weight, but I did RCI steel bumper with full hoops, full steel skid plates, winch, lightbar, roofRack, steel sliders… so I figured I needed the 700
@@TheReligiousLeft how do you like the 700lb springs?
@@DBCoffroad I get the height that I want, which is nice, and I can drive pretty quickly offroad without worry of bottoming out (but I also do have Icon 2.5’s with DSC).
But the only issue is I get less functional uptravel when rock crawling type driving because it takes a lot of force to compress them.
I have the C4 bumper already installed, have been debating the side clearance addition, but every one that I have seen has that ugly cut that can be seen in the gap between the plastic and the metal. Is the C4 template off? Could it be cut closer so that the cut is hidden by the lip on the additions?
Thanks for watching!
So the C4 template they send is off. It’s kinda garbage actually. Which sucks because the product is good. Just not the install or instructions. Part of the problem is you can adjust the bumper up and down about 1/2”. But they don’t account for that adjustment with the template. My bumper is set as low as it will go, which I think created more of the gap. There isn’t really a “lip” on the side additions to cover the gap. It’s just flat that butts up to the plastic. The little bumper tabs they send with it that rest behind the plastic also don’t do anything. They are supposed to push against the plastic to brace it, but they are mounted too far away to matter. On top of all that, the stock bumper is rounded, so it’s hard to cut a straight line on a curving piece.
If I were to do it again:
1. I wouldn’t get the side additions and just do the viper cut. Save yourself the weight and frustration.
2. If you just had to have the side additions, I would cut as little plastic as possible, less off than their templates. Then slowly shave/trim up to where it should be. It would be very time consuming, but then it would look better.
Hope this helps. Let me know if you have any other questions.
@@DBCoffroad thank you for the reply, enjoy your vids, I think I might skip the additions now!
@@pempem8527 glad to help!
650 or 700lb springs? I’m not doing side additions
Go with the lightest that will hold the weight. So 650.
Bad Ass T4R!what size tires you got? I have 33”x10”R17 Kenda Klever RT’s on mine
They are the 35x12.50R17 Klever RTs.
I did a video how to fit 35s if you are interested: czcams.com/video/ld5FAA7tSAU/video.html
Thanks for watching!
I have the same issue with height. I have Bilstein 5100s on the stock springs on the top perch. I'm curious where I'd be if I replace the stock springs with OME 885 front springs on the bottom or one up perch.
I’m curious too. I looked into heavier OME springs. That’s the route I would go if I kept the Bilstein 5100s.
Is that gigantic panel gap between the fenders and the new bumper normal? yikes.
I described in the video how the template was off. Thanks for watching.
Was there any modifications needed to mount the badlands winch? Was the trans line in the way?
The trans line is in the way about 1/4”-1/2”. It contacts the top of the control box.
The fix: I just loosened the two tab mounts holding the line to the frame. There is enough play/bend in the tabs and line that the line just rests on the top of the control box. It’s not forced or compromised at all.
The caveat though is that my C4 bumper is adjustable up and down on the frame mounts maybe like 1/2”. I installed the bumper in the lowest position to give more room for the winch. It all fits perfect how I have it setup though. Hope this helps. Thanks for watching!
Do the front collision sensors still work with the bar being there?
They do! The C4 website shows the full height bar as being able to use the radar cruise control.
Thanks for watching!
That’s the exact setup I want for my 4Runner. What shocks are you running ?
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So I have bilstein 6112 heavy load on. I actually am wanting the weight , along with skids because my spring load is just so dang stiff. My front is about half an inch higher then my rear. (Which bothers me from the slight squat)
Either way, thanks for the in depth video
@@alechardesty4135 That makes sense.
How do you like the 6112s?
@@DBCoffroad I like them a lot! Stiffness was a slight adjustment change , however it is very capable on and off road. Happy with my purchase
@@alechardesty4135 the winch/bumper will help with the stiffness for sure.
That much money and they can't even powder coat it?
There are other brands that do powder coating. But then they have to spend more to keep it protected in shipping. Plus this way you can choose your own powder texture. There’s pros and cons to both. 🤷🏻♂️
All these videos are teaching me NOT to follow the template for the cuts 😂
That’s seriously the best thing. Cut less off than the template says.