Can You Save HYBRID SEEDS? What Is Open Pollinated, Heirloom?
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- čas přidán 21. 07. 2024
- Some claim you can't save hybrid seeds. Is it true? What is the difference between open pollinated, hybrid and heirloom seeds? Come along as we discuss this.
I'll save whatever seeds I want, screw this wicked beast system. God gave me the RIGHT to grow my own food,his permission is ALL I need.
It's not a garden. It's a organized growing sustenance on your lawn .
It's all in how we "word things game." Woke =broke and starvation. No thanks
I saved and planted tomatoes from a hybrid I grew last year. This year was the first time I grew tomatoes from any seed. They were super hardy and tasted so much better than my last years crop. Probably the best tasting I ever grew. My neighbors and family are loving them. I had one plant that was smaller and had heart shaped tomatoes but have the same flavor. I think, as the farmer said, the subsequent generations become better suited to the soil and weather conditions you continue to grow them in and you get a better variety for you. But, send them to a person in another location they may have a very different experience.
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Great energy, man! I've been stumbling through the youtube fields and found this beaut of a video. Got a sub ;)
Very informative and the walking around was great too, the forest you were in is a great place to film your videos. I want some of these chicken bean seeds if they come about
Over the years I've done exactly as you are explaining with sweet corn and peppers. I started with a variety I enjoyed that was originally a hybrid and have been selecting from the crop each year for the traits I prefer. It's true that if you do that they don't always come out the same as the original plant you started with but they do get better suited to your climate and eventually and over time you can get something that suits your taste.
That is awesome! thanks for sharing your experience.
Once I got small peppers (probably F1), red, tasty, they looked like little flattened tomatoes. I collected the seeds and sowed them for the next season. Several plants grew which gave me black fruit the size of a pea.
Many years ago I also got a pumpkin with a hokkaido look. I harvested the seeds and also sowed the next year. The plants gave large round pumpkins, very tasty and most importantly I did not have to peel them as they softened while cooking like a hokkaido pumpkin. Most likely, other varieties grew in the field of my first pumpkin and crossed each other.
The seeds harvested from this cross in the following generations and years still yielded large tasty fruits also with a softened skin. A variety (?) With very desirable characteristics, my favorite, was created by accident.
So let's try and ... let nature surprise you.
I feel we can't tell what we're really buying with seeds off ebay. What seed companies can we really trust? Great video and thanks.
Great video. I learned many things from it. Thanks.
Glad to hear it!
I have always wondered that how can anyone sell hybrid seeds if those seeds cannot be harvested? Where do those hybrid seeds come from then? I have harvested hybrid tomato seeds and I have to say that the "fruit" from those seeds are the best ones ever. I don't know if those are the "original ones" and I don't care. They are so sweet with thick flesh and taste amazing.
We will do a giant crop out in the field to bring you the seed and or in the green house to do so .. j otero crop science BAYER
I’m in wheat butt its the same for other hybrid seed . Enjoy your food friends
Very interesting! Thank you for the help.
Glad it was helpful. All the best.
Great video and great info
How far apart do you plant each variety of tomatoes for them not to cross?
Thank you and God bless
Heirloom = 50+ years, btw.
I saved Roma type seeds and over 5 years of saving them they started to climb and become more pear shaped and bigger. But it crossed with my cherry and regular tomatoes breeds. I gave it up. I found out you can't have variety and an exclusive dna seed tomatoes. They seemed foam like inside. I cooked and ate them but after that it was there and then I knew I was no longer dealing with a Roma tomatoe but a weird non stop growing monster. They are determinate and they are not supposed to climb. Best of luck. Thanks for the video.
yeah, the public have wrong information about what hybrid and GMO means, i mean in general they all believe most commercially grown seeds are GMOs, the truth is they are mostly hybrids crossed from open pollinated varieties, chance you will get open varieties if you replant the hybrid seeds bc of genertics
GMOs are made using CRISPR tech or other, and are mostly even more expensive than hybrids, and are mostly designed to resist herbicides
Oh thank you for explaining this in a way I could understand it...awesome...thanks.
You are welcome. Blessings.
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Did you backcross your F2 progeny with the original F1 hybrid?
Very interesting!
I grew Kentucky Wonder from High Mowing 5 years ago. They started out reddish brown. The same color and size as most Kentucky Wonder pole beans. After the second year growing only that variety, my beans are now uniformly grayish and almost doubled in size. Definitely not what I started with. My only theory is that it crossed with a neighbor's beans, or was already crossed when I got them, and I inadvertently selected for the current genetic traits when saving seed and discarding my undesirable beans. Either way, now I have a new variety, and I will continue to collect the same exact ones. It's actually doing far better now than the first year I grew it.
Wow I learned but dizzy from yur walk................Thanks
Sorry for making you dizzy:(
If I'm planting tomatoes for personal use I really don't care if they look like the advertised picture. I'll be saving seeds from hybrids.
Have you done it already or are you going to in the future? I would love to hear your results.
Some broccoli, I had came very very thin and some did not produce at all. It matters how the hybrid was grown up to know his family background. How many parents as well.. If they were a good match.. like all things in life..
Thanks for a super informative video... I am definitely gonna try saving hybrid sweetcorn seeds and I will come back here to comment section after 6 months or so to share my experience... By the way, you got me bursting out in laughter with your chicken tasting beans... But I am sure those will be a hit once you have them stabilized.
One of the keys to corn is that you should save seed from at least a hundred different corn stalks. If you don't save a bunch of different ones you end up having a genetic bottleneck and over time it will not work well. Corn one of the plants that you need to save from more plants than almost any other plant.
Any update on your corn?
@@thepositiveside2197 him might a been frontin LOL
I'm curious if you can grow a large cucumber and pull the seeds and plant them and have cucumbers next year.
The way we get larger varieties of things is that people have a large one grow or several large veggies randomly grow and they save seed from those. Over time you can get a larger variety. The same can be said for mini varieties. If you only save seed from the smallest plants in time you will generally have smaller varieties.
Farmer Andy 🚜 At the 💰 price of
$.50 a seed, I think that is why the seed wholesalers tell you why keeping hybridized seeds is very bad
I think you may be onto something. . .
Yup,,,,,, so many just get greedy and want $$$...... I aay,,,, raise it, grow it, eat it,,,,,, u don't need no ctooked government, usda,,, or nothing else,,,,, God made it all, and he said it was good......
Question Please: So if you have 2 different Heirloom tomato plants setting close to each other, will those cross pollinate into hybrid seeds?
They would be likely to cross.
@@HealthAndHomestead Thats what I was afraid of ...I just wanted to confirm my thoughts, Thanks
@@Shelzbells it will actually depend a lot on the varieties in question. The physiology of the flowers on most tomato varieties in the US is such that they are not easily cross pollinated. Basically, the remap portion of the flower is recessed within the flower which prevents pollinators introducing pollen from another plant. This is partly the reason the farmers tomatoes were staying true to type while the beans which were known hybrids were so variable in comparison ( beans are generally inbreeding as well, that is they typically self pollinate and grow true to type even when grown in the presence of other varieties, so the natural hybrid he grew out is a fairly rare occurrence) landrace gardening channel has a good video on the relative promiscuity of common vegetables expressed as percentages of outbreeding.
I'm not entirely convinced that Good News Farm are saving a true hybrid seed or if they are, perhaps both parents were so similar and strong that he is getting a heritage type seed result. OR he's been saving the biggest and best of the plants (as we all should) and he has returned to one of the parents....that said I have had problems with saving hybrids and had issues with cross pollination from the neighbors...I just try to stick with heirlooms and will continue to try and not have much cross....maybe i'll give hybrid a try again...who knows? BTW the beans you got were beautiful! ☮
Now, according to him he is saving hybrid seed. That is what he believes. But there is a chance that the company he bought the "hybrid seeds" from is actually selling a seed that is not hybrid (they may be lying) and that is why he is having no trouble. Very hard to tell. Or simple the hybrid seeds he is planting are working out great. I can only share his experience. Thanks for the comment.
Lol...all I did was make a really scary weird cross between a spaghetti squash and a zucchini...weirdest thing ever...but still kinda fun and was actually kinda tasty...wish it had tasted like chicken though 😞. Lol...great channel btw...
Thanks. You could always come up with a new variety when they are mixed like that.
be careful toxic squash syndrome exists
Great vid. Maybe you can use the chicken beans to make non meat chicken burgers:)
I was thinking the same thing. I only got a few plants that made that flavor and so this year I will try to grow more and hopefully, in time, I will have a stable chicken bean.
The question is not wether or not you can (you always can save the seeds), it's wether or not you should save hybrid seeds. Yes, you can get lucky and get great products from them, but the way I was tought (over 40 years ago) that if you sow hybrid seeds, you get plants from every variety that was in the motherplant. And ofcourse you can select the best of that an sow them again and after a couple of years you might get a stable product. But is it worth your time? Or not? That's a question that everyone should ask themselves.
If you're a bit adventurous and have a lot of time on your hands, or your just curious and like these kind of puzzles, by all means, go for it. But if you're not very patient by nature, don't do it. Also remember that it's usually one or more steps back. Call it reversed evolution (devolution???).
Also, like a lot of things, we do things because we can, not because we should...
Sometimes you just gotta rise to the challenge though. I've harvested 6 watermelons so far this year and I had never grown watermelon before. It all started with a hybrid seedless watermelon I bought that contained 1 mature seed that I obviously needed to plant if it's only 1 seed. I had to do some studying and plant a sugar baby for pollination. The resulting fruit is an ice box sized yellow flesh watermelon full of mature seeds. No idea what will grow out of this next generation of seeds but if it turns out to be good I've got a ton of the seeds and can grow watermelons for a long time to come.
OMG, like Raised By Wolves season 2, devolution is not a thing!! Lol 😂
Chicken Beans!!!
You still have been to eat though . So it is worthy to save , specially if it is a family that can’t use a lot of money :)
I agree. I think every gardener should learn to save seeds. Find the varieties you like the most and learn to save them.
Why are walking around?
How many years till you call it heirloom? Wrong question. It's how many generations of inbreeding before they can be called a stable heirloom variety? 10 generations. Once you have f10 seeds, if you did everything correctly you have a new heirloom variety you can name yourself.
Jeez, with my luck, rather than tasting like chicken, I'd end up with beans that tasted like, I don't know, maybe buzzard pus?
id love some chicken beans lol
They are growing well right now. Hopefully someday I can have enough to distribute:)
me too!
@@HealthAndHomestead Will you have any chicken beans in 2022? I would love to try them.
What does Bible say about hybrid or genetic modification-You shall keep my statutes. You shall not let your cattle breed with a different kind. You shall not sow your field with two kinds of seed, nor shall you wear a garment of cloth made of two kinds of material. - Leviticus 19:19
We’re not under Levitical law. Nice try though
You are so smart.
It happens naturally in nature so u might as well just throw ur whole god out
Pretty sure you’re wearing 2 or more types of material in about half of your clothing
I wonder if perhaps jah intend wi a nah be greedy, like a metaphor fo nah wanting 2 a everyting abstain fra gluttony perhaps?
A doberman and a Chihuahua would produce a mutt NOT. A hybrid
A hybrid would be a lion and a tiger
Or a horse and a donkey
And a hybrid is , by definition STERILE.
THIS VIDEO IS JUST PLAIN WRONG
"In biology, a hybrid is the offspring resulting from combining the qualities of two organisms of different varieties, species or genera through sexual reproduction."
Source: Wikipedia
The video is correct, your comment is plain wrong.
@@martinklawinski2933
You don't understand what Wikipedia said when you quoted it.
A hybrid is sterile by definition
If two different species had off spring that could reproduce, the result would be a new species .
A mule is a hybrid of a horse and a donkey. All mules are sterile .
If they were not sterile they would not be mules and they would not be hybrid.. it would be a new species.
A liger is a. Hybrid of a tiger and a lion and all liger are sterile .
You don't know what the word hybrid means
So @Wyndham21044 all the seed magazines that I purchase from refer to many of their tomato’s as hybrids. Yet they certainly are not sterile because I have grown most and saved the seed? Any thoughts?
@@quicksilver3975 either your seed catalogs are inaccurate
Or
You pioneered a new species.
A hybrid tomato is a . Cross with a to mato and another nightshade suck as a bell pepper.
A cross of two tomato's is NOT A HYBRID
To be exact I’m referring to the over 20 seed catalogs I have right in front of me. Every major seed catalog refers to these as hybrids and I have personally saved seeds from most varieties on the market and have yet to see any that would not reproduce