I think seeing Zamasu cry is the best thing ever. Zamasu: This world needs to be destroyed before of it's pure imperfections. I am the perfect being! I shall exterminate the saiyan race and these damned ningens! Frieza: Copycat. Cell: Get your own ideas. Dr. Wheelo: WHY ARE YOU EVEN HERE? Turles: I did the Evil Goku thing before it became popular. Super Buu: I killed the human race easily. Goku and Vegeta: We made fusion cool way before you did. Piccolo: I fused with God. Zeno: Sit down before I erase your ass again, *ningen.* *Zamasu crying intensifies.*
Zamasu and his arc is basically Cell. >Both green >Both smart >Both use Goku's personality/dna >Both defeated by a half saiyan >Both are based around mystery >Time travel >Grudge against trunks >Both have more complex motives >Both have an asspull power up near the end
I think part of the problem people have with Broly is that people are forgetting Broly is only half of the villian in his original movie: From a narrative perspective, the villain is both Broly and Paragus as a pair. With that in mind, they both become far more interesting: It's a father manipulating his son, who is the legendary super saiyan, into orchestrating his misplaced revenge on the saiyan royal bloodline, and it also ties into Freeza's destruction of planet Vegeta.. That's actually probably THE most interesting and fleshed out backstories and character motivations of any of the movie villains.
And in the Japanese version, Paragas says Broli's insanity is because of his huge power, and that Goku was reawakening that side of him (unless the subs and Dokkan Battle are wrong...) So Broli's more like Goku if anything - a Saiyan that loves fighting for its own sake and gets riled up by strong guys. Difference is, Broli's cruel and sadistic.
I do kind of wish they didn't choose to include the "Kakarot crying" plot point. Regardless of whether you think it still works with the stronger parts of Broly's story or not, it still basically boils down to being an excuse to make the conflict more about Goku than it needed to be.
My favorite is Janemba. Janemba, of course, was similar to Majin Buu. A fat cheerful first form, and a more serious and evil second form. But what causes Janemba to take it for me, was his abilities. This guy, messes with dimensions. Whether he's turning things into jelly beans, punching you from 500ft away, or absorbing your ki blasts into a dimensional hole and shooting it back at you, his abilities make fighting him much more interesting. And, there's his power. Goku said he could have beaten Fat Buu and Kid Buu as Super Saiyan 3. Well, Super Janemba took Super Saiyan 3 Goku to school, and burned the school down.
Napalm Blaziken I see people rate villains based on power and looks but not plot, I prefer turles to janemba, but then it's my opinion and I respect yours
@@prdz653 I strongly agree. Janemba was a very flat and boring character and the movie showed nothing plot wise. The only minorly interesting thing was seeing Vegita reflect on being dead. It would be difficult for someone to convince me to watch that movie again. Might I suggest Wrath of the Dragon or Bojack to anyone?
I love Bojack and his crews classic pirate like attire. It's a shame they didn't give him or any of his goons a shred of personality. They look cool tho. But you'll have to look into credits or the wiki to find out the goons' names.
If you could choose a villain from movie to come to show, which it would be? With Me? Cooler. And give him Golden Form. Or improved cyborg body, stronger than Meta Cooler was.
I say make Bojack canon for Gohan. Just give Gohan that treat, come on, come ooooon. I actually thought for a moment there was a slight mention in Super...or more of a vague connection in the tournament when Mr.Satan and Future Trunks we’re watching TV. Sadly though, I was wrong. *cries in Aqua*
My Top 5 DBZ Movie Antagonists: #1: Cooler (Cooler's Revenge) #2: Turles (The Tree of Might) #3: Broly (Broly - The Legendary Super Saiyan) #4: Janemba (Fusion Reborn) #5: Dr. Wheelo (The World's Strongest)
I love that this wasn't a regular numbered list! It was interesting to think of the villains this way instead. Also, Masako, I'd love to hear your reviews of these movies or some original Dragon Ball movies/arcs.
I would also take design into consideration-that's why even though Cooler, Janemba, Broly, Hirudagon, and Turles are fairly bland in terms of personalities, they have a lot of appeal simply through Toriyama's excellent character design. That's probably one of the reasons Biobroly is so hated and why Bojack is underrated. Now, DBS has had some great character designs (cheer up Zamas, that's one point for you) , and some lackluster ones, so we may or may not get some great visuals as well.
If we talking main movie villains aka the 13 original films not including the specials and limiting the horrible sequels of Cooler and Broly more so focusing on their original dbz uncanon movies since canon villains like beerus aren't fair, heres my list, i think you will find it pretty accurate as their are really only 12 main villains of the 13 films when you look at it and 2 of them are paired with the real threat and im comparing them as characters their ideals motivations backstory and plot in their films not just their powers and strength or coolness factor otherwise my last place would be top 3 for sure. 10. Janemba and Janempa- Just so bland and buu copies its embarrassing cause they can't even talk. 9. Hirudegarn and Hoi - Their more of a duo of one being strong but cant talk and the other being weak and pointless. 8. Android 13- So bland without geros motivation behind him hes nothing when he transforms into blue hulk. 7. Lord Slug- Cause hes just king piccolo not interesting seen it before next. 6. Bojack- Cause hes so bland but hes next level douche broly jr that I kinda respect him 5. Broly- Has an okay backstory but hes pretty shitty and bland and his hatred of goku is so weird cause he should hate vegeta way more but okay? he is menacing though with his speeches in the dub for the first film so I give credit to where its due but his other 2 films ruined him. 4. Turles- Lets be real heres hes just goku and vegeta combined so raditz or bardock and his design is so lazy its evil goku and he doesn't do much cause most of his film isn't even centered on him 3. Dr. Wheelo and Kochin- Sure their evil scientist stereotypes but this was back before that became a trend and I swear the androids and gero idea was inspired from them. 2. Cooler- Hes more badass freeza without the snark but still fun and its not bad to be the older bro of the best villain and still bring something new to the table. He feels like a different older brother form. 1. Garlic jr.- Mostly cause hes original its like if you took pilaf and piccolo jr and made them interesting villains in one. Hes pretty cool got a great motivation and wished for immortality.
For me personally, I really liked Bojack, he was the first villain to really make me feel like all hope was lost and they were gonna lose, plus the guy is badass
Janemba and Cooler better be at the top, the rest are meh. Super Android 13 was interesting, Broly was at least intimidating, Bojack was alright, the others aren't very memorable. Beerus doesn't count as a villain and Frieza was just reused.
Lord Omega Broly may have been cliche and boring, but you can’t really say he’s not memorable. He’s one of the most popular DB characters canon or not.
turles is my favorite villain because of xenoverse 2, i loved his politeness, it was so off putting for a saiyan, also his main goal is to eat some fruit and thats hilarious
Neat video, also agreed that Bojack and the Galaxy Soldiers were neat with really solid designs. Also I love Cooler and how coolly, pragmatic and ruthless he is and his own soldiers can expect his help and he gets on with them fairly well.
Cooler is one of the only movie villains that can be considered canon. Him, Bojack and MAYBE Broly.... ....but just the first movie Broly. Also, when I say CONSIDERED AS CANON, I mean to say that I he doesn't have any restrictions like Janemba, Turles or Slug.
Yeah, I'd say it'd be easy to say that at least two of them (Bojack might have some restrictions) could easily be considered canon. With Cooler, it's easy to believe that King Cold would have more than just one child, he is a king after all, having multiple children to ensure the continuation of their empire is kind of what they do. As for Broly, Super basically all but confirmed he existed with the inclusion of Kale, and since Universe 6 and 7 are copies of each, with each one having alternate versions of the same thing, Universe 6 having Kale being the Legendary Super Saiyan, and also looking like a female Broly to boot, basically all but confirms that Broly exists somewhere in Universe 7, whether the Broly movies are canon or not is a completely different question. Hell, the villain of the next movie could very well be a redesigned Broly for all we know.
I feel like people are oversimplifying Broly way too much due to his motivation and repeated utterance of "Kakarot". He actually has some of the best lines in the DBZ movies that really showcase his psychotic personality. Don't know how accurate the translations are, but some of my faves include: Broly: "Kakarot, I choose you to be the first of my victims!" Vegeta: "I am the ruler of all Saiyans!" Broly: "Then do your best to make me kneel before you!" Goku: "Hey, how about giving us a handicap?" Broly: "What's a handicap?" Broly: "Kakarot, how much do you love your son?" Piccolo: "Do as you like, you freak!" Broly: "A freak? No, I'm the devil!"
The thing is that Broly's vocabulary only went down in his second movie. The only thing he said besides Kakarot was a threat to Gohan right before the final beam struggle. In his original movie he WAS quite sadistic. Although, if you're going to take about awesome Broly lines, I think using the english version of the dub works better. "How about a handicap?" "Is that another word for coffin?"
I would like a video where you analyze and review the Garlic Jr. saga, the pros and cons. I know a lot of people hate the arc, but I liked it, and I thought it did some neat things, like doing a little expansion with the Kami predecessors, the Makyo Star, making it believable that Piccolo is weakened so that Garlic Jr. can take him on, giving Krillin more action (and a super hot girlfriend before No. 18 appears), zombified friends, and even giving Chi Chi some cool moments (the "Kaio-Ken" power up and her attacking Gohan). Also I think the Faulconer score for this saga was fantastic, especially Garlic Jr.'s theme and the Demon Mist theme. I would love to see you do a review of the saga ad what you think of it.
Maybe with the new Saiyan enemy coming up, they could go the same route as MaStar Media. He’s got something going already about how this new enemy ruled over a few universes and was erased by Zeno, but when he came back from 17’s wish, he decided to conquer all of the universes and just so happened to confront Goku. Just an idea I really hope comes true, because that would be pretty damn awesome. Nice video as always, Masako!
Hey Masako! Great video once again! I've been subscribed to you for quite a while, and I love these discussions so much! I'm not sure if you've got the time- or desire, but I was thinking if you'd ever consider doing some videos on "My Hero Academia"? (If you've watched it). The new season is just starting and it's looking amazing so far!
suggestion for the next db discussion- kaiju fight Z, janemba, harudigarn, and bio broly in a what if vs fight, who would win? each starting off in their respective giant and thus actual kaiju like forms, so for the first 2 their "base" form, and bio broly in his giant "form"
Sort of rewatching the DBZ movies lately but mostly to watch the Big Green versions. Dr. Wheelo's Big Green rendition is hilarious, and yeah I picked up rather easily the Turles/Goku Black similarities...it's sort of weird they are taking ideas like that and Broly and making them continuity with the Super anime.
Personally I thought Bojack was a really boring and generic villain. He had some cool things about him, but not many in my opinion. I do think he could be canon, though.
*''What if all the Saiyans* (namely Vegeta, Nappa and Raditz) *survived the Saiyan and Frieza saga?''* It doesn't have to be a What If They Turned Good story. I'm genuinely interested to see how life for the Saiyans would be if they all survived after the saga. How would they interact with one another? Would they have teamed up against Frieza as a way to avenge the fallen Saiyans? How will they live on Earth? How will some events turn out if they were there to assist or to screw things up?
To me, Bojack seems to be the only movie that could be canon, given it takes place after Cell and before Buu. Also tfw you just wanted the ending of Super to be UI Gogeta vs Jiren.
fav movies villains? the ones with Turles and Garlick Jr., Turles movie because he was portrayed as real evil Goku, as a saiyan who didnt got amnesia when he was a baby, he used technology that Vegeta, Raditz and Nappa used, he was going around conquering planets in order to get stronger, (and not just someone who stole Goku body and decided to become god above gods) and Garlick Jr. because i started from original DB and his story worked so well into history of dragon world that he might as well be cannon, just the end of him was...stupid.
2:30 Bojack and garlic jr. Can both be added into Z based upon the time frame in which there movies take place garlic jr. Being a Prelude to Dragon Ball Z and Bojack being seen as a potential ending of Dragon Ball Z after the cell tournament
Bet Zamasu’s also crying because quite a bit of this week’s DBS discussion was his dubbed death at the hands of Beerus and how cool it was that they kept “hakai “
I got an idea for your What if raditz turned good series. After you complete the tournament of power arc, move on to the dbz movies, and possibly GT if your okay with that.
I saw this really cool thing on seeing that broly developed a mental disorder from broly's sleepless nights haunted in the night only by gokus cries causing him to become insane instead of just not liking crying goku
I like the Garlic Jr. Saga because it at least gave us some material for the next saga, also because in the manga they don't really do, and it really just Goku and Vegeta fighting in that saga,
Garlic Jr., Bojack and Janemba all had some serious potential, which make their movies a lot of fun to go back to. In Garlic's case he was pretty well-realized as is.
I was actually just talking about this with a friend. I feel like if any of these were to be made cannon, it should have been the first Cooler Movie. It fit quite nicely in the cannon, and it would've added an interesting dynamic down the line--considering how prevalent Frieza's been in DBS.
TURLES REPRESENT! Me and my little brother watched Tree of Might and Cooler recently and, especially after XV2, I really loved both of them. Rewatch tree of might, turles is a snarky beast!
I'm just recently after finishing ep 66 of the DBS dub. Currently we have up to ep59 but I am going to watch it bit by bit, every 5 episodes that are released for the most part. At this rate it may be the end of the summer holidays before we see Kale in dub. Fortunately I'll have allot of videogames to keep me busy while I wait.
The writers destroyed Broly, he could be a awesome character but yeah they wanted to make goku the hero of the movie for the so many times. 😔😔 My favorite is Cooler, could become canon and could help Frieza in ROF so Vegeta and Goku could fighting both of them instead Vegeta just watching the whole fight. 😥😥
Wonder if in a future iteration of Dragonball Canon one of these guys will get brought into the Canon. Like let's be honest, Janenba has a SICK design, and we can fix the personality issue via rewriting him for Canon.
As a Dragon Ball fan, I admittedly haven't seen a lot of the movies. Never bought the VHS, and I always missed them on TV. Toonami would always play Tree of Might and Dead Zone, so I remember those the most. I liked Bojack, Cooler's Revenge, and surprisingly Broly's Second Coming (better than the first one IMO). I haven't seen World's Strongest, Android 13, Return of Cooler, Bio-Broly, or Wrath of the Dragon. I should get on that.
Janemba is my favorite movie villain, I love his powers so much, plus jelly bean hell is really cool, and Fusion Reborn is my favorite movie out of the 13 original DBZ movies. Next movie villains after that is a toss up of Cooler and Bojack for number 2 and 3 of my favorite movie villains. with Garlic Jr. being number 4 and Android 13 being number 5.
Honestly, turles is one of my favs and the more time goes on the more I love him. He's not a very deep character but I'll be damned if he ain't a bad ass.
Hey MasakoX, do you think it's possible that Fusion Reborn might have been originally planned out to be a 4th Broly film since at the end of Bio-Broly they said Broly was acting up in hell. What are your thoughts? As for who my favorite movie villains are, that would be Cooler and Broly.
I always remember liking the garlic jr saga, but I wonder how much of that was because I liked the Deadzone movie, and seeing Gohan taking the spotlight without Goku around. From its reputation I feel it wouldn't hold up if I rewatched it again today.
I think seeing Zamasu cry is the best thing ever.
Zamasu: This world needs to be destroyed before of it's pure imperfections. I am the perfect being! I shall exterminate the saiyan race and these damned ningens!
Frieza: Copycat.
Cell: Get your own ideas.
Dr. Wheelo: WHY ARE YOU EVEN HERE?
Turles: I did the Evil Goku thing before it became popular.
Super Buu: I killed the human race easily.
Goku and Vegeta: We made fusion cool way before you did.
Piccolo: I fused with God.
Zeno: Sit down before I erase your ass again, *ningen.*
*Zamasu crying intensifies.*
Sozo-Teki yes
Don't forget salza's energy sword move, stole IT too.
Beerus: Does the word "hakai" mean anything to you?
Zamazu got hakai
Zamasu and his arc is basically Cell.
>Both green
>Both smart
>Both use Goku's personality/dna
>Both defeated by a half saiyan
>Both are based around mystery
>Time travel
>Grudge against trunks
>Both have more complex motives
>Both have an asspull power up near the end
Personally my favorite is Cooler because he's so *cool.* Janemba was also great because of how unique his abilities were~
Altrocado *slow hand clap*!
*ba dunn tszz*
"I like most of the movie villains, but there is one that is Cooler"
I like Bojack! He took a punch from a Ghost! Then was killed by a Powered up Gohan. So he died very confused!
Ginyu goku is the original goku black.
Don't you mean Turles was the original Goku Black?
Popo's mannequin Goku is the original Goku Black.
JackZake64 yeah
PrismStar77 Speaking of that in Xenoverse they did a hilarious twist on that.
Turles is the true evil Goku.
I think part of the problem people have with Broly is that people are forgetting Broly is only half of the villian in his original movie: From a narrative perspective, the villain is both Broly and Paragus as a pair. With that in mind, they both become far more interesting: It's a father manipulating his son, who is the legendary super saiyan, into orchestrating his misplaced revenge on the saiyan royal bloodline, and it also ties into Freeza's destruction of planet Vegeta.. That's actually probably THE most interesting and fleshed out backstories and character motivations of any of the movie villains.
Great points
Paragus was a prettu damn good villain in hindsight.
And in the Japanese version, Paragas says Broli's insanity is because of his huge power, and that Goku was reawakening that side of him (unless the subs and Dokkan Battle are wrong...) So Broli's more like Goku if anything - a Saiyan that loves fighting for its own sake and gets riled up by strong guys. Difference is, Broli's cruel and sadistic.
I do kind of wish they didn't choose to include the "Kakarot crying" plot point. Regardless of whether you think it still works with the stronger parts of Broly's story or not, it still basically boils down to being an excuse to make the conflict more about Goku than it needed to be.
When you realize Masako is one of the most powerful people in the world.... he can make Zamasu cry! Lol xD
lol that was funny
Oh boy not zamazu....
My favorite is Janemba. Janemba, of course, was similar to Majin Buu. A fat cheerful first form, and a more serious and evil second form. But what causes Janemba to take it for me, was his abilities. This guy, messes with dimensions. Whether he's turning things into jelly beans, punching you from 500ft away, or absorbing your ki blasts into a dimensional hole and shooting it back at you, his abilities make fighting him much more interesting. And, there's his power. Goku said he could have beaten Fat Buu and Kid Buu as Super Saiyan 3. Well, Super Janemba took Super Saiyan 3 Goku to school, and burned the school down.
Napalm Blaziken I see people rate villains based on power and looks but not plot, I prefer turles to janemba, but then it's my opinion and I respect yours
@@prdz653 I strongly agree. Janemba was a very flat and boring character and the movie showed nothing plot wise. The only minorly interesting thing was seeing Vegita reflect on being dead. It would be difficult for someone to convince me to watch that movie again. Might I suggest Wrath of the Dragon or Bojack to anyone?
Janemba is just demon buu.
*Big fat Cheerful Form.*
*Muscular edgy evil form*
I should mention that its Janempa and Janemba. P is fat n happy, b is evil immagetyabitch demon
Poor Zamasu, such a fragile soul.
he doesn't have a soul anymore. Beerus kinda wiped him clean out of existence... which is totally insane and completely ridiculous.
Yes..
Gowasu I'm honored to be in your presence.
Anakin Joesph thank you
Glad I'm not the only one who loved Bojack
Adorable pfp
ultimaT he has some cool moves in xenoverse 2
I love Bojack and his crews classic pirate like attire. It's a shame they didn't give him or any of his goons a shred of personality. They look cool tho. But you'll have to look into credits or the wiki to find out the goons' names.
I like the idea of a space pirate. I wish Bojack was feared throughout the galaxy as well. Hell, he was stronger than Frieza.
they look cool and their movie is pretty cool, but the crew themselves have no personalities
If you could choose a villain from movie to come to show, which it would be?
With Me? Cooler. And give him Golden Form. Or improved cyborg body, stronger than Meta Cooler was.
Dragonball Xenoverse 2 had a mission where you ended up fighting Golden Freeza and Meta Cooler and
Gold Freeza and Silver Cooler are a good pair.
Cooler and Janemba
It’s only a movie... or is it?
Top ten anime plot twists
HEY, VSAUCE! MASAKOX HERE
I say make Bojack canon for Gohan. Just give Gohan that treat, come on, come ooooon.
I actually thought for a moment there was a slight mention in Super...or more of a vague connection in the tournament when Mr.Satan and Future Trunks we’re watching TV.
Sadly though, I was wrong. *cries in Aqua*
I have to say...despite Vegito being canon, I still like Gogeta more. He just looks cooler and more mysterious.
Princess Luna
i like his personality better as well. Vegito's too cocky and childish for me.
my tits and what about Gogeta in Dragon Ball GT?
my tits I think he was cocky to get absorbed by buu
I like them both, but thanks to the fusion dance and the cool as hell SSJ4 transformation, I like Gogeta a bit more :>
ph 1 that was his plan tho
My Top 5 DBZ Movie Antagonists:
#1: Cooler (Cooler's Revenge)
#2: Turles (The Tree of Might)
#3: Broly (Broly - The Legendary Super Saiyan)
#4: Janemba (Fusion Reborn)
#5: Dr. Wheelo (The World's Strongest)
I love that this wasn't a regular numbered list! It was interesting to think of the villains this way instead. Also, Masako, I'd love to hear your reviews of these movies or some original Dragon Ball movies/arcs.
I would also take design into consideration-that's why even though Cooler, Janemba, Broly, Hirudagon, and Turles are fairly bland in terms of personalities, they have a lot of appeal simply through Toriyama's excellent character design. That's probably one of the reasons Biobroly is so hated and why Bojack is underrated. Now, DBS has had some great character designs (cheer up Zamas, that's one point for you) , and some lackluster ones, so we may or may not get some great visuals as well.
2:59 Slug is that forgettable, huh?
LMFAO
yeah king piccolo kinda did his whole plot already... took the wind right out of those sails
I don’t think he’s forgettable, he’s just not interesting in the slightest
If we talking main movie villains aka the 13 original films not including the specials and limiting the horrible sequels of Cooler and Broly more so focusing on their original dbz uncanon movies since canon villains like beerus aren't fair, heres my list, i think you will find it pretty accurate as their are really only 12 main villains of the 13 films when you look at it and 2 of them are paired with the real threat and im comparing them as characters their ideals motivations backstory and plot in their films not just their powers and strength or coolness factor otherwise my last place would be top 3 for sure.
10. Janemba and Janempa- Just so bland and buu copies its embarrassing cause they can't even talk.
9. Hirudegarn and Hoi - Their more of a duo of one being strong but cant talk and the other being weak and pointless.
8. Android 13- So bland without geros motivation behind him hes nothing when he transforms into blue hulk.
7. Lord Slug- Cause hes just king piccolo not interesting seen it before next.
6. Bojack- Cause hes so bland but hes next level douche broly jr that I kinda respect him
5. Broly- Has an okay backstory but hes pretty shitty and bland and his hatred of goku is so weird cause he should hate vegeta way more but okay? he is menacing though with his speeches in the dub for the first film so I give credit to where its due but his other 2 films ruined him.
4. Turles- Lets be real heres hes just goku and vegeta combined so raditz or bardock and his design is so lazy its evil goku and he doesn't do much cause most of his film isn't even centered on him
3. Dr. Wheelo and Kochin- Sure their evil scientist stereotypes but this was back before that became a trend and I swear the androids and gero idea was inspired from them.
2. Cooler- Hes more badass freeza without the snark but still fun and its not bad to be the older bro of the best villain and still bring something new to the table. He feels like a different older brother form.
1. Garlic jr.- Mostly cause hes original its like if you took pilaf and piccolo jr and made them interesting villains in one. Hes pretty cool got a great motivation and wished for immortality.
Not in the Malaysian dub he isn't.
"You disturb pee!"
Cooler is my favorite DBZ movie villain, and he could easily be made canon in the main series.
For me personally, I really liked Bojack, he was the first villain to really make me feel like all hope was lost and they were gonna lose, plus the guy is badass
I throughly enjoy your deep thought in these discussions
Cool idea! You should also rate all the video game exclusive characters and villains!
Sumera Paleema Fu isn't evil... or good... he's neutral
Hachiyack, Budokai 2 Fusions, SSJ Bardock, aaand?
teooman _23 The vinnie
Janemba and Cooler better be at the top, the rest are meh.
Super Android 13 was interesting, Broly was at least intimidating, Bojack was alright, the others aren't very memorable.
Beerus doesn't count as a villain and Frieza was just reused.
Lord Omega Broly may have been cliche and boring, but you can’t really say he’s not memorable. He’s one of the most popular DB characters canon or not.
slick s oh, well, since Kale is the canonized Broly, I didn't include him.
But, I do agree. Here, let me edit my comment.
turles is my favorite villain because of xenoverse 2, i loved his politeness, it was so off putting for a saiyan, also his main goal is to eat some fruit and thats hilarious
SO EXCITED FOR THE MOVIE!!!
Thanks for another great thought video Masako!
Neat video, also agreed that Bojack and the Galaxy Soldiers were neat with really solid designs. Also I love Cooler and how coolly, pragmatic and ruthless he is and his own soldiers can expect his help and he gets on with them fairly well.
To be honest, I like Cooler a lot more than Frieza.
But of course you would! Naturally, ANYONE would. Afterall, he is *cooler.*
Will Penneth nice pun.
Cooler was made to be naturally cooler, or that is the conclusion i've come to!
Cooler is one of the only movie villains that can be considered canon. Him, Bojack and MAYBE Broly....
....but just the first movie Broly.
Also, when I say CONSIDERED AS CANON, I mean to say that I he doesn't have any restrictions like Janemba, Turles or Slug.
Yeah, I'd say it'd be easy to say that at least two of them (Bojack might have some restrictions) could easily be considered canon. With Cooler, it's easy to believe that King Cold would have more than just one child, he is a king after all, having multiple children to ensure the continuation of their empire is kind of what they do. As for Broly, Super basically all but confirmed he existed with the inclusion of Kale, and since Universe 6 and 7 are copies of each, with each one having alternate versions of the same thing, Universe 6 having Kale being the Legendary Super Saiyan, and also looking like a female Broly to boot, basically all but confirms that Broly exists somewhere in Universe 7, whether the Broly movies are canon or not is a completely different question. Hell, the villain of the next movie could very well be a redesigned Broly for all we know.
He didn't go SSJ2 until Cell stepped on 16. Plus, in his fight against Cell, everything was put on HIS shoulders, not on Goku's.
I feel like people are oversimplifying Broly way too much due to his motivation and repeated utterance of "Kakarot". He actually has some of the best lines in the DBZ movies that really showcase his psychotic personality. Don't know how accurate the translations are, but some of my faves include:
Broly: "Kakarot, I choose you to be the first of my victims!"
Vegeta: "I am the ruler of all Saiyans!"
Broly: "Then do your best to make me kneel before you!"
Goku: "Hey, how about giving us a handicap?"
Broly: "What's a handicap?"
Broly: "Kakarot, how much do you love your son?"
Piccolo: "Do as you like, you freak!"
Broly: "A freak? No, I'm the devil!"
jp3813 This, it goes right over people's heads. Many people think his an actual simpleton.
+Cloke100 It doesn't help that Kale's vocabulary gets reduced to "Son Goku" in her LSSJ form.
The thing is that Broly's vocabulary only went down in his second movie. The only thing he said besides Kakarot was a threat to Gohan right before the final beam struggle.
In his original movie he WAS quite sadistic. Although, if you're going to take about awesome Broly lines, I think using the english version of the dub works better.
"How about a handicap?"
"Is that another word for coffin?"
The “How much do you love your son?” line always gives me chills!
I would argue that Garlic Jr. is a sort of re-hash of Piccolo.
I would say he is more linked to Kami, since he and Jr's father fought for position of Earth's Guardian.
11:46 that’s why Goku Black exist guys
Great job keep it up
Very Interesting video!
I would like a video where you analyze and review the Garlic Jr. saga, the pros and cons. I know a lot of people hate the arc, but I liked it, and I thought it did some neat things, like doing a little expansion with the Kami predecessors, the Makyo Star, making it believable that Piccolo is weakened so that Garlic Jr. can take him on, giving Krillin more action (and a super hot girlfriend before No. 18 appears), zombified friends, and even giving Chi Chi some cool moments (the "Kaio-Ken" power up and her attacking Gohan). Also I think the Faulconer score for this saga was fantastic, especially Garlic Jr.'s theme and the Demon Mist theme.
I would love to see you do a review of the saga ad what you think of it.
I'm so hyped for the new dragon ball super movie!!!
Janemba's abilities, sword and final design is so damn cool.
Maybe with the new Saiyan enemy coming up, they could go the same route as MaStar Media.
He’s got something going already about how this new enemy ruled over a few universes and was erased by Zeno, but when he came back from 17’s wish, he decided to conquer all of the universes and just so happened to confront Goku.
Just an idea I really hope comes true, because that would be pretty damn awesome. Nice video as always, Masako!
Will 2139 but then you will already be spoiled.
jam rose We’ve got until December. Anything could happen.
17s wish wouldn't bring back universes that didn't compete at the ToP.
Masako PLEASE make Zamasu crying a regular thing in your videos now it’s so fitting!
Hey Masako! Great video once again! I've been subscribed to you for quite a while, and I love these discussions so much! I'm not sure if you've got the time- or desire, but I was thinking if you'd ever consider doing some videos on "My Hero Academia"? (If you've watched it). The new season is just starting and it's looking amazing so far!
Someone finally mentioned “Yo Son Goku and his Friends Return” I’ve been waiting for so long!
YES HE PRAISED TURLES AAAAAAAAAA
I never thought of about that 😂. Zamasu's plan is Garlick Jr. and DR. Willo, that was fun.
Fusion Reborn FTW!
What about Dr. Raichi and Hatchiyack?
suggestion for the next db discussion- kaiju fight Z, janemba, harudigarn, and bio broly in a what if vs fight, who would win? each starting off in their respective giant and thus actual kaiju like forms, so for the first 2 their "base" form, and bio broly in his giant "form"
So, I knew it wasn't a full movie, but I'd have loved to see you talk about Hatchiyak.
Love ❤️ it great video
nice zamusu gag masako
Would you consider doing a list on greatest dragon ball deaths?
Sort of rewatching the DBZ movies lately but mostly to watch the Big Green versions. Dr. Wheelo's Big Green rendition is hilarious, and yeah I picked up rather easily the Turles/Goku Black similarities...it's sort of weird they are taking ideas like that and Broly and making them continuity with the Super anime.
Any chance of a small supplementary video discussing Lucifer, King Gourmeth, and perhaps the movie interpretations of Tao and S.O. Black?
@MasakoX King cold video
13's my fave. He is proof that sometimes, abandoning the sub is the right call to make.
Haha that Zamasu joke was on point
Personally I thought Bojack was a really boring and generic villain. He had some cool things about him, but not many in my opinion. I do think he could be canon, though.
Hey! I like Bojack!
*''What if all the Saiyans* (namely Vegeta, Nappa and Raditz) *survived the Saiyan and Frieza saga?''* It doesn't have to be a What If They Turned Good story.
I'm genuinely interested to see how life for the Saiyans would be if they all survived after the saga. How would they interact with one another? Would they have teamed up against Frieza as a way to avenge the fallen Saiyans? How will they live on Earth? How will some events turn out if they were there to assist or to screw things up?
To me, Bojack seems to be the only movie that could be canon, given it takes place after Cell and before Buu.
Also
tfw you just wanted the ending of Super to be UI Gogeta vs Jiren.
fav movies villains? the ones with Turles and Garlick Jr.,
Turles movie because he was portrayed as real evil Goku, as a saiyan who didnt got amnesia when he was a baby, he used technology that Vegeta, Raditz and Nappa used, he was going around conquering planets in order to get stronger, (and not just someone who stole Goku body and decided to become god above gods)
and Garlick Jr. because i started from original DB and his story worked so well into history of dragon world that he might as well be cannon, just the end of him was...stupid.
BlackThane I like dead zone as well!
Same here! Turles & Garlic Jr. are one of my favorite DBZ movie villains as well.
5:17- the bojack crew do look more uniquely human like than the regular human characters that are more exaggerated
great video MasakoX. My favorite movie villain are Dr. Wheelo, Turles and my number one favorite is cooler.
jANEMBA is my favourite because of his fighting style in the games and the movie, plus the Gogeta moment was legendary
Who's watching after Toriyama revealed the villain was Broly XD?
OmadogonGod
HOW DO YOU MAKE BROLY UNIQUE AND INTERESTING?!?!
2:30 Bojack and garlic jr. Can both be added into Z based upon the time frame in which there movies take place garlic jr. Being a Prelude to Dragon Ball Z and Bojack being seen as a potential ending of Dragon Ball Z after the cell tournament
3:50 cooler could still be lumped in with garlic jr. And Bojack as a classification of potential cannibal Z characters
**Toei gives us the entire Garlick Jr saga**
Dragon ball fanbase: "Clean that up!"
You’re gonna do the heros/side characters next right? Like Pikkon and Tapion
1st thought “MASAKO made a video!” 2nd thought “I’m gonna like the video then watch it.”
Bet Zamasu’s also crying because quite a bit of this week’s DBS discussion was his dubbed death at the hands of Beerus and how cool it was that they kept “hakai “
I got an idea for your What if raditz turned good series. After you complete the tournament of power arc, move on to the dbz movies, and possibly GT if your okay with that.
I saw this really cool thing on seeing that broly developed a mental disorder from broly's sleepless nights haunted in the night only by gokus cries causing him to become insane instead of just not liking crying goku
I like the Garlic Jr. Saga because it at least gave us some material for the next saga, also because in the manga they don't really do, and it really just Goku and Vegeta fighting in that saga,
Garlic Jr., Bojack and Janemba all had some serious potential, which make their movies a lot of fun to go back to. In Garlic's case he was pretty well-realized as is.
cooler is still waiting for his call and 13 is still is searching his trucker hat in the arctic
Cooler is faves! I really do love the designs of Janemba and Hirudegarn though.
I only recently noticed that Tapion's clothes are quite similar to those that the Supreme Kai wear.
I was actually just talking about this with a friend. I feel like if any of these were to be made cannon, it should have been the first Cooler Movie. It fit quite nicely in the cannon, and it would've added an interesting dynamic down the line--considering how prevalent Frieza's been in DBS.
Can't wait to see how y'all at tfs cover the fusion movie that movie practically begs for y'all to parody it
Wow a very “original” and very “not over used” joke about cooler. Good job masako (no hate)
I too hope this villain will bring something new to the table. If he is a villain at all
TURLES REPRESENT!
Me and my little brother watched Tree of Might and Cooler recently and, especially after XV2, I really loved both of them. Rewatch tree of might, turles is a snarky beast!
I gotta go with Zangya. She's kind of responsible for getting me intetested in the series initially and I'll always have a soft spot for her.
I'm just recently after finishing ep 66 of the DBS dub. Currently we have up to ep59 but I am going to watch it bit by bit, every 5 episodes that are released for the most part. At this rate it may be the end of the summer holidays before we see Kale in dub. Fortunately I'll have allot of videogames to keep me busy while I wait.
The writers destroyed Broly, he could be a awesome character but yeah they wanted to make goku the hero of the movie for the so many times. 😔😔
My favorite is Cooler, could become canon and could help Frieza in ROF so Vegeta and Goku could fighting both of them instead Vegeta just watching the whole fight. 😥😥
Just an idea for a what if "what if Gohan came to the future"?
Wonder if in a future iteration of Dragonball Canon one of these guys will get brought into the Canon.
Like let's be honest, Janenba has a SICK design, and we can fix the personality issue via rewriting him for Canon.
Really glad I'm not the only one who likes Turles. He's genuinely one of my favourite DBZ characters in general
As a Dragon Ball fan, I admittedly haven't seen a lot of the movies. Never bought the VHS, and I always missed them on TV. Toonami would always play Tree of Might and Dead Zone, so I remember those the most. I liked Bojack, Cooler's Revenge, and surprisingly Broly's Second Coming (better than the first one IMO). I haven't seen World's Strongest, Android 13, Return of Cooler, Bio-Broly, or Wrath of the Dragon. I should get on that.
You crack me up 😂 😂
Hey Masako, can you do "What if Majin Buu was in the Tournament of Power?"
Couldn't even remember to mention King Piccolo!
masako is dragon ball r and r coming soon? I really am excited about it
Janemba is my favorite movie villain, I love his powers so much, plus jelly bean hell is really cool, and Fusion Reborn is my favorite movie out of the 13 original DBZ movies.
Next movie villains after that is a toss up of Cooler and Bojack for number 2 and 3 of my favorite movie villains. with Garlic Jr. being number 4 and Android 13 being number 5.
YES! Fusion Reborn is definitely the best DBZ movie out of the originals.
Honestly, turles is one of my favs and the more time goes on the more I love him. He's not a very deep character but I'll be damned if he ain't a bad ass.
Real talk, I think wrath of the Dragon is one of my favorites because of the dragon fist. That thing rustled my jimmies as a kid.
Hey MasakoX, do you think it's possible that Fusion Reborn might have been originally planned out to be a 4th Broly film since at the end of Bio-Broly they said Broly was acting up in hell. What are your thoughts?
As for who my favorite movie villains are, that would be Cooler and Broly.
I've always been a fan of Turlus...he was just so friggin brutal.
Nice
Coola, Dr Uiro, Tullece, Bojack, Janemba and Tapion are my favourite movie exclusive characters
I always remember liking the garlic jr saga, but I wonder how much of that was because I liked the Deadzone movie, and seeing Gohan taking the spotlight without Goku around. From its reputation I feel it wouldn't hold up if I rewatched it again today.
Now discuss the other types of Fusion please
Ah memories, back when we thought that teaser image for the then unannounced Super Broly movie was Yamoshi or someone similar.