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Saucony Endorphin Pro 4 First Run Review: Four runners test Saucony’s carbon racer

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  • čas přidán 17. 08. 2024

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  • @hanseljennings9800
    @hanseljennings9800 Před 6 měsíci +20

    Very Informative review but where's Tom , you cannot have an Endorphin Pro 4 review without Tom ,his passion and excitement for the Pro 3 was the reason i purchased my Pro 3 ,come on guys 😊

    • @TheBodyFirmATL
      @TheBodyFirmATL Před 5 měsíci

      I agree, Tom frothing over the Pro 3 convinced me too....

  • @deks440
    @deks440 Před 6 měsíci +21

    I was heavily anticipating Tom's opinion on this given his love for the pro 3 😢 need a dedicated vid from him after this to compensate 😂

  • @stijndevries542
    @stijndevries542 Před 6 měsíci +57

    That's all fine and dandy, guys, but I want to know what Tom has to say about this update! 😄

    • @jes28899
      @jes28899 Před 6 měsíci +2

      I came to write the exact same thing 😂

    • @tedforsstromjacobsson4160
      @tedforsstromjacobsson4160 Před 6 měsíci +2

      Seriously wounded that I didn’t get to hear his take

    • @jasonl526
      @jasonl526 Před 6 měsíci

      Yes, exactly what I was thinking .

    • @leadin2219
      @leadin2219 Před 6 měsíci

      Eager to hear from Tom too. =)

    • @michaelgriffiths305
      @michaelgriffiths305 Před 6 měsíci +6

      Clearly he’ll have his own video on this shoe. Be fair it’s a relatively long video anyway; they could edit all of Tom’s eulogising out.
      I’m going to predict he’ll advise it’s greatly enjoyable but if you can get the Pro 3 at a cut down price then what’s not to like.

  • @user-ft3xm9ix6h
    @user-ft3xm9ix6h Před 6 měsíci +3

    What we've all been waiting for 👏

  • @bilginaydin9756
    @bilginaydin9756 Před 5 měsíci

    Thanks Mike. Just yesterday I was in the lab for Running form analysis and your form in the Video will be my target and labs recommendation.

  • @felixbruno7937
    @felixbruno7937 Před měsícem

    My favorite endorphin pro line is the first ones & pro 3… seems like pro 4s are a pretty versatile shoe quite like the speed 4s.

  • @tono1665
    @tono1665 Před 6 měsíci +2

    Kieran and Mike spot on 👍

  • @g.a.v.d
    @g.a.v.d Před 6 měsíci +8

    Judging from all initial opinions, it sounds to me like the Pro 4 has been design as a marathon shoe for the masses and that Saucony are targeting the 3hr+ marathon runners of the world. To which I am certainly in that category of and will hopefully be breaking 4hrs this year. Not sure about that design around the heal of the midsole 😬

    • @gudboyngdisyerto
      @gudboyngdisyerto Před 5 měsíci

      yeah midsole heel design is ugly. looks like a kid shoe. might as well put lights on it

  • @Fozzee.1970
    @Fozzee.1970 Před 6 měsíci +3

    The one I've been waiting for

  • @alexgener4309
    @alexgener4309 Před 6 měsíci

    Thanks to Kieran and Mike for a more straightforward review.

  • @g.g.8279
    @g.g.8279 Před 5 měsíci

    I ordered a Endorphine Pro 3 on discount. I really liked the feeling, because it feels more accessible for carbon shoe beginners than other models. Unfortunately I had to sent it back because the run a bit small... So I will try the Pro 4 soon. just my experience

  • @kennethmonroe6939
    @kennethmonroe6939 Před 6 měsíci +1

    Thanks for the first run review. What does Tom think about the V4? He is a huge fan of the V3.

  • @prettyneatperformance
    @prettyneatperformance Před 6 měsíci

    Excited for this video!

  • @i.p2088
    @i.p2088 Před 6 měsíci +5

    In Europe the Pro 4 is 20% cheaper than the SC Elite V4 🎉

  • @liamhockey9189
    @liamhockey9189 Před 6 měsíci

    I'm in-between sizes and got a 9.5 in the speed and a 10 in the pros. Do normally wear a 10 in most shoes but occasionally size downthe speed 4s are one of them.

  • @jamiegreen3960
    @jamiegreen3960 Před 5 měsíci +3

    Any chance of a comparison video with the NewBalance RC elite v4 🙏

  • @LuciodoBrazil
    @LuciodoBrazil Před 6 měsíci +4

    Similar to Endorphin Speed then. Saucony trying to reach a wider customer base by making it less aggressive. As a middle of the pack runner I'm fine with that since I want comfort to finish the marathon but not sure I'm willing to spend that much money for it...

  • @massi888
    @massi888 Před 6 měsíci +2

    thank you for the review. how does it compare to the endorphin speed 4? is it harder? faster?

  • @Adriansyah1995
    @Adriansyah1995 Před 6 měsíci +5

    Tom definitely didnt like it but dont want to say it 🤣

  • @viCoN24
    @viCoN24 Před 6 měsíci +4

    Is this model wider than Pro 3? I've had issues where insole seemed to raise up at the sides and that would dig into my midfoot. It also felt tapered in the forefoot which squeezed the foot uncomfortably.

    • @i.p2088
      @i.p2088 Před 6 měsíci

      Size up.

    • @viCoN24
      @viCoN24 Před 6 měsíci +1

      @@i.p2088 I tried that but it didn't work. I believe that size up had too much material over the forefoot as it bunched up, heel started slipping and it still felt uncomfortable in the midfoot. Overall, I believe I tried multiple colorways and different sizes without success. One of the few shoes that didn't fit regardless of the effort spent to make it happen.

  • @deks440
    @deks440 Před 5 měsíci +2

    Pro 4 or SC elite 4?

  • @kj17589
    @kj17589 Před 6 měsíci +3

    EP4 vs SC4 please.

  • @TheAkenno
    @TheAkenno Před 6 měsíci +1

    Is there an arch bump in the insole in the pro like there is in most other saucony shoes?

  • @JohnBirtchetSharpe
    @JohnBirtchetSharpe Před 6 měsíci +1

    Great reviwes however Saucony have created a little bit of a homegoal not getting an 8/8.5 to Tom for this group review, if ever there was someone to say to pro3 lovers .. they have not broken the 04 it would have been Tom , while Kieran who has a similiar foot shape to me is probably more applicable (I did not listen to him on the adidas pro 3 when it came out and my feet and wallet payed the price) , Tom's performances speaks volumes in the Saucony pro line .. tsk supplier.

  • @daniels7719
    @daniels7719 Před 5 měsíci

    is this shoes have a enough good stability??

  • @nkeet89
    @nkeet89 Před 6 měsíci +2

    Now I do not have to comment on every video waiting for this.

  • @Fozzee.1970
    @Fozzee.1970 Před 6 měsíci +3

    I have the Speed 4 not sure this one is dofferent enough to justufy getting both.

    • @aliasgharkhoyee9501
      @aliasgharkhoyee9501 Před 6 měsíci +1

      The previous versions used the same foams (PB), this time the Pro 4 uses some of the Elite's foam (HG) apart from PB.

    • @i.p2088
      @i.p2088 Před 6 měsíci +1

      I need a lightweight daily trainer.. Loved the Speed 2 but found Speed 3 mushy after an hour or so.. Sounds like the Pro 4 replaced the Speed 2 ❓

    • @Fozzee.1970
      @Fozzee.1970 Před 6 měsíci

      @@aliasgharkhoyee9501 only a thin layer it's mostly PB.

    • @Fozzee.1970
      @Fozzee.1970 Před 6 měsíci

      @@i.p2088 Speed 4 feels very different at the front to the 3.

    • @aliasgharkhoyee9501
      @aliasgharkhoyee9501 Před 5 měsíci

      @@Fozzee.1970 apparently enough to make a significant difference to the feel? Either way, agreed that the prices are completely out of sync with their costs - I think most large well-known manufacturers have worked out how to manipulate enough people to pay extortionate prices so that they no longer have to bother with scale anymore. Perhaps Reebok is the only exception to this rule.

  • @Ywaarde
    @Ywaarde Před 6 měsíci +3

    Why is Tom not in this video?!

    • @TheRunTesters
      @TheRunTesters  Před 6 měsíci +8

      He doesn't have the shoe yet, sadly.

    • @Ywaarde
      @Ywaarde Před 6 měsíci +1

      @@TheRunTesters I thought he and Mike are the same size, priorities!

  • @darraghscott8734
    @darraghscott8734 Před 5 měsíci

    Tom!!!

  • @RunTommy123
    @RunTommy123 Před 6 měsíci

    With Mike it looks like the first eyelets are pulled way too tight, causing the weird scrunching in the toe box

  • @shaneawai5015
    @shaneawai5015 Před 6 měsíci +1

    Finally.

  • @anwaryahya1273
    @anwaryahya1273 Před 6 měsíci

    "Maybe its less bouncy than the speed3".... that all i need to know guys😊

  • @snowwalker9999
    @snowwalker9999 Před 6 měsíci +3

    Maybe Saucony intentionally made this shoe this way so people buy the elite for racing.

    • @PatrickStar-km1dm
      @PatrickStar-km1dm Před 2 měsíci

      That's what i'm thinking... They want bigger seperation and shoes specialized so you have to buy the whole line for a rotation.

    • @snowwalker9999
      @snowwalker9999 Před 2 měsíci

      @@PatrickStar-km1dm more profit for them but running shoe enthusiasts don’t mind it. It’s a good idea if your goal is a PR.

  • @i.p2088
    @i.p2088 Před 6 měsíci +4

    Pro always shorter fit than the Speed.

    • @leadin2219
      @leadin2219 Před 6 měsíci +2

      Agree

    • @LuciodoBrazil
      @LuciodoBrazil Před 6 měsíci +2

      Yes. Realised that after a 20 mile run with the Pro 3. Had to buy half a size up.

    • @levandmarthapolyakin-aaron2183
      @levandmarthapolyakin-aaron2183 Před 6 měsíci +2

      Also sized up in the Pro3

    • @botrytis_cinerea
      @botrytis_cinerea Před 6 měsíci +1

      It wasn't for me. In fact Speed 3 is a bit shorter. Both true to size (UK 8) but Pro 3 feels a bit wider in the forefoot.

    • @i.p2088
      @i.p2088 Před 6 měsíci +1

      @@botrytis_cinerea Wider but shorter toebox?

  • @hahaheslop
    @hahaheslop Před 6 měsíci +2

    If I had a pound for every time someone said "lattice pattern" when reviewing this shoe 😅

  • @i.p2088
    @i.p2088 Před 6 měsíci +9

    Pro 4 is not a top racer. For that Saucony has the Elite. I have 2 pairs of the Pro 3 😂

    • @levandmarthapolyakin-aaron2183
      @levandmarthapolyakin-aaron2183 Před 6 měsíci +2

      I used the Pro3 last April in Boston and it did well for me. Curious if you are saying that version was a top racer compared to the Pro4. The Elite felt a bit too aggressive for me when I tried it on.

    • @i.p2088
      @i.p2088 Před 6 měsíci +3

      @@levandmarthapolyakin-aaron2183 Yes though I don't have the Pro 4 yet. Pro 3 was very capable for racing. Better for most people then the Elite. So Saucony downgrade the Pro 4 a bit to make it slow for a race to push people to get the Elite.. Maybe now the Speed 4 and Pro 4 are quite the same?

    • @handongistoocute9709
      @handongistoocute9709 Před 6 měsíci +2

      @@i.p2088 Agreed. Another way to sell more top end shoes to the market. They might end up classifying the Pro 4 as their Super Duper Trainer. 😊Speed 4, their Super Trainer. Elite, their Race Shoe.

    • @levandmarthapolyakin-aaron2183
      @levandmarthapolyakin-aaron2183 Před 6 měsíci +2

      @@i.p2088According to some reviewers this may well be the case. I’ll be interested in more direct comparisons with v3 before buying my next pair. Some say this one is every bit as fast for forefoot or midfoot strikers (I’m midfoot) but the softer heel is the main difference. Maybe the fit is different too as they’ve changed the upper, and whether that’s an improvement of not might depend on foot volume.

  • @andrewdhome
    @andrewdhome Před 6 měsíci +4

    Great looking shoes - but is it just me or do they have an enormous Nike swoosh on them???!!!!

    • @levandmarthapolyakin-aaron2183
      @levandmarthapolyakin-aaron2183 Před 6 měsíci

      It only looks like it on the launch colorway. I saw a black version and it doesn’t stand out at all as separate from the main color.

    • @botrytis_cinerea
      @botrytis_cinerea Před 6 měsíci +1

      I don't like the colour ways. Hope there will be some better ones in the future.

    • @levandmarthapolyakin-aaron2183
      @levandmarthapolyakin-aaron2183 Před 6 měsíci

      @@botrytis_cinereaThere ALWAYS are, not too long after initial launch. So many people complained about the checkerboard launch Endorphin colorways a couple of years ago, and soon after there were plenty of alternatives.

    • @levandmarthapolyakin-aaron2183
      @levandmarthapolyakin-aaron2183 Před 5 měsíci

      @@botrytis_cinereaThere are ALWAYS plenty of colorways that follow the launch color in short order. Remember the controversial black and white checkerboard launch colorway of v2 of the Endorphin series? So many people complained about it but soon there were a dozen alternative colors. I don’t get why people make a big deal about the launch colorways for that reason.

  • @andrewood
    @andrewood Před 6 měsíci +1

    More expensive and heavier no thanks I'll buy another pair of 3s thanks

  • @donaldwang7538
    @donaldwang7538 Před 5 měsíci

    Oof, sounds like Pro 3 is the better choice. Pro 4 sounds like the Speed Beast.

  • @i.p2088
    @i.p2088 Před 6 měsíci +1

    All of you sound like you have a cold.. English weather 😂

  • @sean5520
    @sean5520 Před 6 měsíci

    the 3s hurt my heels

  • @xnimmerx
    @xnimmerx Před 6 měsíci

    Nice review. One reviewer can hardly string a sentence together and is painful to watch, but this is the modern DEI world.

  • @georgehillman5767
    @georgehillman5767 Před 5 měsíci

    Pro 3 was a thing of beauty, pro 4 is ugly!