Seems like a lot of power being lost though the drive train or does your dyno just read low? Most dyno numbers I have seen with headers intake and tune are close to 500whp. I know different dyno's can read high or low.
Truly love this question. In short: dynojet (what you see most of the time cause they are cheap AF) read about 17 percent higher. Long answer: a) to a tuner, the numbers are irrelevant. We work with what’s called “delta” aka percentage gain from stock to a tune. Stock c63 makes 350 ish WHP on my Mainline. 420whp tune+Decat (not headers). That’s around 70 whp delta. 20% gain. 20% delta. With long tube headers I usually get to around 440whp if the car is healthy. That makes it 90 whp gain, aka 26% delta. Need to check that with dynojet, however the key information to reading And dyno chart, is to see what the baseline was. What did the car put out stock? Subsequently we should see roughly 400whp as baseline on that 500whp tuned car. But then there are two more factors to dissect, was it inertia based dyno, or was it eddy braked dyno? Or was it hub dyno, and if so, what manufacturer. And then a complete rabbit hole: what wheels and tyres. I can do a 2 hour long video on that, that will cook most brains :) will be pure geek material :)
@@mdbelden I think most people know that dyno numbers are for tuning the car but it is also used by most people when they are gauging the performance of a car they might be racing. So if John Doe says hey what's your car putting down your probably not going to say. It putting down the best number my tuner could do at the time of day. Its running pretty good. Ok I take that back I'm sure some will say that. LOL
simple answer, remap it, and voila you have 510hp, mine is stage 2 with a miltek secondaru decat and miltek backbox pushing 535.9hp and 649nm. These engines are the same engine as the e63 but have different exhausts so do the remap and just a decat en 530 is easy, get a full exhaust and you make 560hp 670nm which is about the max without putting too much money on it if you wanna stay N/A that is.
So does my 2014 C63 actually have more then the claimed 451hp and 443 ft pounds then from the factory tune? I am curious now, gotta find a shop with a dyno around me here in in the northeast of the US
@@EuroSurgeonNz Yes this video was very eye opening amazing can get that much more power/torque out of it with a simple tune... well done to you guys! do you have any recommendations for a tuner in Melbourne Australia?
What gains do you guys get on a 507edition with filters and decatted running software? I've done decatted and filters just no software yet so would like to know if the gains are worth it on a 507edition
Hey Stu. Realistically with full decat (primary), carbon detox, fresh coils and plugs, 98(e10) fuel you should see 530-540 out of them. Pair up with long tube headers - may even be 550-560. But it all comes down to what the car will be happy with. Cheers, Ryan
@@multiblade04 If the car has been looked after, and the tuner can log requested and actual information on camshafts, and see timing corrections - it will be fine. Ive done them with 250km and looooooong list of maintenance. You cant just say 100km is good, 200 is shit. All comes down if its been worked on and looked after properly.
@@EuroSurgeonNz it’s had motor mounts replaced ESL lock replaced oil change every 5-6k km trans flush 3 times coolant flush 3 times power steering flush twice and brake flush every 2 years
Si, pero el tema son 3Kg menos en el cigüeñal, y ese peso menor se nota a la hora de revolucionar el motor, claro está que son modificaciones de la ECU, así hacen todas las marcas de coches...
Could you work with my MB independent shop here in the US for a 540hp tune? it's a 2009 with 40k miles. I'm guessing there would be some sort of mapping sent to you from stock then you'd send a tune back to be loaded?
Hi. Tasos does a weights video. Depending upon the model year some m156 received m159 rotating assembly. Its not worth much power at all on its own maybe 3 to 5 hp.
Hey bud. Sorry not possible online, but you can send me the ECU and I will do it on the bench. shoot me an email and will see what we can come up with.
Hi , i have c63 amg w204 2010 , I don’t know if it’s stage 1 or stock , my car is far away from new zeland , because I live in Kosova 🇽🇰, so I would like to ask you what can i do to gain 88 HP , what should i ask my garagist to gain 88hp?
Ummmm hell no, why bother? Hpfp and TB are not the restrictors on m156 till you get to forced induction. You might be thinking VAG group cars. But even then, that convo is rare till you get to extremes. IE, upgraded fuel pump and throttle body on our 700hp mk6r.
What tune it is, is highly irrelevant. I can bet you $1000 not even the most expensive off the shelf tune can beat a carefully dialed in tune ( individual car set up, if we take two “perfect condition” cars). You can’t tell me that it’s possible to create a max power file, that will be “best power for all”. Also, we lost ethanol in New Zealand. No more corn juice, thanks to COVID. Now it’s sold as hand sanitizer for triple the price. Also, slight draw back, roughly 20% more consumption when you use the loud pedal. BUT SOOOO MUCH FUN!!!!!
@@EuroSurgeonNz off the shelf tune? LOL. We spent days on the dyno sending data logs back and forth to Jerry at Eurocharged. Trust me, he does it right. Not saying he's the only one, but his experience with these cars makes him one of the best.
@@EuroSurgeonNz I was there for the first run, left the rest to the professionals. Check it out in my videos. I recorded it then left. That run was done with the tune that allows throttle body to open up 100%.
@@EuroSurgeonNz Oh nice. Does naturally aspirated vs turbo charge or super charge make less or more pops and bangs or does it not matter if you have a turbo or super charger or naturally aspirated?
Sounds like a figure at the engine, which doesnt mean much. What is the power at the wheels, What transmission, and what mods have been done. Also, most importantly, what brand dyno and do you have a dyno log to check? Would be happy to help.
@@EuroSurgeonNz I have a 2009 c63 i have it tuned with long tube headers and primary cat delete but the power doesn't exceed more than 420whp Do you know what can be causing this?
Hey @@poorlilboy54 . If we assume that the tune itself is fine, there is a list of common culprits. The ones i see the most are leaking manifold (internally), carbon buildup on the valves, Camshafts wear. Best bet find someone in your area that has decent logging equipment and dyno. Log timing, Retardation, cam request vs actual. Do a smoke test on the system. More importantly, what was the baseline run on dyno on stock power?
@@EuroSurgeonNz with stock internals and with 500 HP tune , will the engine life span be shoter than the stock tune 457 HP like the camshafts and hydraulic lifters ?
@@EuroSurgeonNz that’s what I’m trying to figure out. Will a tune stress the components more and accelerate wear? I have 180,000km and runs great but I don’t want to start beating on the motor and sucking power at this mileage and introduce more stress to components already at high mileage and that’s what I was told by other tuner. What do you think at 180,000km?
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Seems like a lot of power being lost though the drive train or does your dyno just read low? Most dyno numbers I have seen with headers intake and tune are close to 500whp. I know different dyno's can read high or low.
Truly love this question. In short: dynojet (what you see most of the time cause they are cheap AF) read about 17 percent higher. Long answer: a) to a tuner, the numbers are irrelevant. We work with what’s called “delta” aka percentage gain from stock to a tune. Stock c63 makes 350 ish WHP on my Mainline. 420whp tune+Decat (not headers). That’s around 70 whp delta. 20% gain. 20% delta.
With long tube headers I usually get to around 440whp if the car is healthy. That makes it 90 whp gain, aka 26% delta. Need to check that with dynojet, however the key information to reading And dyno chart, is to see what the baseline was. What did the car put out stock?
Subsequently we should see roughly 400whp as baseline on that 500whp tuned car.
But then there are two more factors to dissect, was it inertia based dyno, or was it eddy braked dyno? Or was it hub dyno, and if so, what manufacturer. And then a complete rabbit hole: what wheels and tyres. I can do a 2 hour long video on that, that will cook most brains :) will be pure geek material :)
@@EuroSurgeonNz bottom line...dyno numbers are irrelevant. More for actual tuning of the car.
@@mdbelden I think most people know that dyno numbers are for tuning the car but it is also used by most people when they are gauging the performance of a car they might be racing. So if John Doe says hey what's your car putting down your probably not going to say. It putting down the best number my tuner could do at the time of day. Its running pretty good. Ok I take that back I'm sure some will say that. LOL
@@EuroSurgeonNzwhat are the best tyres to squeeze as much output on these cars? (W204)
Evil downshift Prius repellent - love it😂
Its a common hatred for priuses that unites us :)
@@speedministry6556 Prius would be my number 3. 1 would be Honda Fitt, 2 Honda Jazz. Rounding out the top 4 of cars which shit me is the Nissan Leaf.
@@michaelh5722 With you on that. Throw in occasional paranoid Suzuki Swift and we got a perfect road rage trigger combo.
simple answer, remap it, and voila you have 510hp, mine is stage 2 with a miltek secondaru decat and miltek backbox pushing 535.9hp and 649nm. These engines are the same engine as the e63 but have different exhausts so do the remap and just a decat en 530 is easy, get a full exhaust and you make 560hp 670nm which is about the max without putting too much money on it if you wanna stay N/A that is.
I’m at 180,000 km is it smart or too late in mileage for more stress on components
Thanks for this vid bro... 👍 Great engines those 6.2 M156's 👍 👍
Thanks bud. Regret selling mine TBH.
@@EuroSurgeonNz You're welcome man.
All the very best of luck finding another M156 powered car to replace the one you sold.
Great video, very Good channel don’t stop
Thank you Tucker! Comments like these keep me going :)
So does my 2014 C63 actually have more then the claimed 451hp and 443 ft pounds then from the factory tune? I am curious now, gotta find a shop with a dyno around me here in in the northeast of the US
Good video. I need to get mine tuned now 👽
Do it! Last of the true NA hoon machines!
@@EuroSurgeonNz Yes this video was very eye opening amazing can get that much more power/torque out of it with a simple tune... well done to you guys! do you have any recommendations for a tuner in Melbourne Australia?
@@cruddCNC have a chat with International AutoHaus. Ask Allen if they have a dealer in Melbourne. Pretty sure they do.
Hi still looking for those singles in my area, think I need that hat you've got, where can I buy one?
Yup, can confirm, does wonders. Custom made to order, worldwide shipping available.
Love the video,i have an 08 c63 and live in brisbane who do you recommend to tune them
What gains do you guys get on a 507edition with filters and decatted running software? I've done decatted and filters just no software yet so would like to know if the gains are worth it on a 507edition
Hey Stu. Realistically with full decat (primary), carbon detox, fresh coils and plugs, 98(e10) fuel you should see 530-540 out of them. Pair up with long tube headers - may even be 550-560. But it all comes down to what the car will be happy with. Cheers, Ryan
@@multiblade04 awesome thanks I decided to leave mine with just induction and decatted, putting the rest of the money towards getting the GTR
@@multiblade04 If the car has been looked after, and the tuner can log requested and actual information on camshafts, and see timing corrections - it will be fine. Ive done them with 250km and looooooong list of maintenance. You cant just say 100km is good, 200 is shit. All comes down if its been worked on and looked after properly.
@@EuroSurgeonNz it’s had motor mounts replaced ESL lock replaced oil change every 5-6k km trans flush 3 times coolant flush 3 times power steering flush twice and brake flush every 2 years
@@multiblade04 Again, without datalogging the car, cant tell you anything.
Si, pero el tema son 3Kg menos en el cigüeñal, y ese peso menor se nota a la hora de revolucionar el motor, claro está que son modificaciones de la ECU, así hacen todas las marcas de coches...
Could you work with my MB independent shop here in the US for a 540hp tune? it's a 2009 with 40k miles. I'm guessing there would be some sort of mapping sent to you from stock then you'd send a tune back to be loaded?
Hey. If they have the tools that can suck the file out and flash it back in - yeah can help
540hp tune Na?
how much extra power could we get from e85, tune and injectors? and roughly how much would this kit cost to install
Injectors, Longtube headers, E85 - guessing another 50WHP. However, she will drink like a sailor. Also, we no longer have E85 at the pump :(
Hi. Long tubes, filters and tune get to 460 to 480 rwhp. Add e85 and tune and its around 510rwhp.
E85 and tune adds 25-30rwhp over 93 octane tune
Does having the SLS lighter rods and pistons help with faster revving?
Honestly never done the comparison back to back. But gut feeling tells me that difference would be marginal
Hi. Tasos does a weights video. Depending upon the model year some m156 received m159 rotating assembly. Its not worth much power at all on its own maybe 3 to 5 hp.
2014 received the m159 rotating assembly.
how much power can you make out of the 2010s NA?
I have a stock c63 2014 507 edtion what tunes should i put on the car that will not harm it.
Talk to your local dyno tuner.
We are in Auckland, New Zealand.
ive got the p31 & p30 package but live in invercargill,could i buy a remap tune and could it be done on line?
Hey bud. Sorry not possible online, but you can send me the ECU and I will do it on the bench. shoot me an email and will see what we can come up with.
@@EuroSurgeonNz can i have your email and where and how can i remove ECU?
Hi , i have c63 amg w204 2010 , I don’t know if it’s stage 1 or stock , my car is far away from new zeland , because I live in Kosova 🇽🇰, so I would like to ask you what can i do to gain 88 HP , what should i ask my garagist to gain 88hp?
Wonderful video. So new throttle body a remap and an high pressure fuel pump? Can you suggest these components?
Ummmm hell no, why bother? Hpfp and TB are not the restrictors on m156 till you get to forced induction. You might be thinking VAG group cars. But even then, that convo is rare till you get to extremes. IE, upgraded fuel pump and throttle body on our 700hp mk6r.
Hey! Where do live ?
Hey, we are in Auckland, New Zealand. But have few dealerships in other cities in NZ
Ethanol, injectors, long tube headers, lsd and a eurocharged tune. 500 to the ground. Your welcome.
What tune it is, is highly irrelevant. I can bet you $1000 not even the most expensive off the shelf tune can beat a carefully dialed in tune ( individual car set up, if we take two “perfect condition” cars). You can’t tell me that it’s possible to create a max power file, that will be “best power for all”.
Also, we lost ethanol in New Zealand. No more corn juice, thanks to COVID. Now it’s sold as hand sanitizer for triple the price.
Also, slight draw back, roughly 20% more consumption when you use the loud pedal. BUT SOOOO MUCH FUN!!!!!
@@EuroSurgeonNz off the shelf tune? LOL. We spent days on the dyno sending data logs back and forth to Jerry at Eurocharged. Trust me, he does it right. Not saying he's the only one, but his experience with these cars makes him one of the best.
@@EuroSurgeonNz oh yes, and one of MANY reasons I thank God I don't live in New Zealand! Great place to visit but F that government.
@@mdbelden noice. What was the baseline run on it.
@@EuroSurgeonNz I was there for the first run, left the rest to the professionals. Check it out in my videos. I recorded it then left. That run was done with the tune that allows throttle body to open up 100%.
Are these super charger or turbo charger ?
Neither. Naturally aspirated 6.2L
@@EuroSurgeonNz Oh nice. Does naturally aspirated vs turbo charge or super charge make less or more pops and bangs or does it not matter if you have a turbo or super charger or naturally aspirated?
mine only makes 489 hp with tune?
Sounds like a figure at the engine, which doesnt mean much. What is the power at the wheels, What transmission, and what mods have been done. Also, most importantly, what brand dyno and do you have a dyno log to check? Would be happy to help.
@@EuroSurgeonNz I have a 2009 c63 i have it tuned with long tube headers and primary cat delete but the power doesn't exceed more than 420whp
Do you know what can be causing this?
Hey @@poorlilboy54 . If we assume that the tune itself is fine, there is a list of common culprits. The ones i see the most are leaking manifold (internally), carbon buildup on the valves, Camshafts wear. Best bet find someone in your area that has decent logging equipment and dyno. Log timing, Retardation, cam request vs actual. Do a smoke test on the system. More importantly, what was the baseline run on dyno on stock power?
u will get around 430whp on dyno for a 507, cuz the forged internals
Interesting point of view. Why do you think forged internals would produce more power?
@@EuroSurgeonNz i think forged internals are more Durable , can handle more power than the stock pistons
@@EuroSurgeonNz with stock internals and with 500 HP tune , will the engine life span be shoter than the stock tune 457 HP like the camshafts and hydraulic lifters ?
@@ferasmartan8597 Forged internals only real benefit is shaving off a couple pounds off weight of the engine...
@@EuroSurgeonNz that’s what I’m trying to figure out. Will a tune stress the components more and accelerate wear? I have 180,000km and runs great but I don’t want to start beating on the motor and sucking power at this mileage and introduce more stress to components already at high mileage and that’s what I was told by other tuner.
What do you think at 180,000km?
The earth is flat lol