27-year-old driver dies after crashing into 2 car dealerships in Lehigh County

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  • čas přidán 29. 04. 2024
  • A 27-year-old from Philadelphia is dead after he crashed his car while driving at what police say was a high rate of speed. The car crashed into two car dealerships in Lehigh County accruing upwards of $1 million in damages. Dealership employees were left to clean up the area on Tuesday morning. NBC10's Yukare Nakayama has the story.
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Komentáře • 358

  • @maxb4074
    @maxb4074 Před měsícem +241

    Its no "accident" that he was driving at very high speed.

    • @garfieldsmith332
      @garfieldsmith332 Před měsícem +27

      Stupidity YES; accident NO.

    • @ivangranger8494
      @ivangranger8494 Před měsícem +8

      Makes one wonder if it was illegal.

    • @jaitoonrasheed1722
      @jaitoonrasheed1722 Před 29 dny +2

      We shouldn't make harsh judgments. Could've got a message that someone special was not going to make it. Who knows why things happen to people. Maybe the good lord knows best.

    • @williamcope2652
      @williamcope2652 Před 27 dny +7

      @@jaitoonrasheed1722 you are correct at least 2/3 of all crashes, lack any alcohol relationship whatsoever, which means that perfectly sober people are responsible for maiming, killing and needless property damage in most crashes and absolutely have no reason whatsoever for doing so. Speaking of messages, two more ninja bikers, plus this guy. And I get a message for a free pizza.

    • @chpman2013
      @chpman2013 Před 26 dny +15

      ​@@jaitoonrasheed1722 regardless, if someone was driving fast enough to cause THAT much damage, then they made the decision to be dangerously irresponsible. It's sad the driver died, but it's pure luck that no one else was killed or injured.

  • @gritsngranola
    @gritsngranola Před měsícem +144

    He crashed into a building with a sign that says "COLLISION CENTER!?" 😮

  • @AFloridaSon
    @AFloridaSon Před měsícem +192

    Not happy with only hitting 2 cars like a normal reckless driver, this dude hits 2 car dealerships.

  • @heartland96a
    @heartland96a Před měsícem +116

    Wow the force to break a disc brake rotor unimaginable

    • @Trainboy1EJR
      @Trainboy1EJR Před 26 dny +5

      200+ miles an hour?

    • @phillyphil1513
      @phillyphil1513 Před 25 dny +4

      that's some serious Daytona 500 sh!t right there...

    • @larsonmarkov1699
      @larsonmarkov1699 Před 23 dny +5

      That kind of damage happens at speeds over 100 mph. The driver was an idiot who was weaving and cutting people off

    • @SCVM__
      @SCVM__ Před 23 dny +1

      They are Made from cheap cast now

    • @K-Effect
      @K-Effect Před 23 dny +2

      We can’t have anything nice

  • @firestunt
    @firestunt Před 27 dny +51

    Driving that fast is not an accident, it's either stupidity or self delete.

    • @michaelgranberg3468
      @michaelgranberg3468 Před 26 dny +1

      Stuck gas pedal?

    • @SethiozProject
      @SethiozProject Před 26 dny

      100% stupidity, because if it was self delete, then he didn't think it thru. i've been dealing with severe depression for over 10 years, yet i'd never try to end it by crashing a car ... cuz i know there's a high chance of surviving with severe injuries, anyone who thinks crashing a car is easy way out ... think again. you might end up paralized in hospital bed .. being tube-fed for rest of your life. no thanks!
      it was either stupidity or dumbidity

    • @ludwigchurr7744
      @ludwigchurr7744 Před 25 dny +3

      @@michaelgranberg3468 switch the ignition off? Activate brakes.

    • @Porsche996driver
      @Porsche996driver Před 25 dny +3

      DUI obviously.

    • @user-xw6vk7pg9l
      @user-xw6vk7pg9l Před 23 dny +3

      Breaks are made to overcome the engine power for safety even if you have them both floored breaks are designed to overcome the engine and if you shut the car down your also lose power steering. And other safety equipment like the SRS system. Hope he had his seatbelt on

  • @SFClark
    @SFClark Před měsícem +109

    Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

  • @stereodreamer23
    @stereodreamer23 Před měsícem +43

    He F'd Around...
    And he Found Out...

    • @Narnia1086
      @Narnia1086 Před 25 dny

      How can the dude find out if bro is dead

    • @safeandeffectivelol
      @safeandeffectivelol Před 21 dnem

      @@Narnia1086 When the car was flying through the air at 100mph I'm sure he was regretting it right before it made contact

  • @czechmate6916
    @czechmate6916 Před měsícem +57

    He wasn’t speeding he was flying.

    • @SethiozProject
      @SethiozProject Před 26 dny +2

      ah ah this reminds me of a comment that one cop made. think it was in UK? or maybe it was in new zealand or something, somewhere where cops are usually cool.
      anyway some guy was doing like 280km/h and got pulled over, he's quite shocked and asks "officer, was i REALLY driving THAT fast oOO?" and cop was like "no, you wasn't driving fast, you was just flying too low"

    • @czechmate6916
      @czechmate6916 Před 26 dny

      @@SethiozProject
      🤣love it 👍

    • @Ryarios
      @Ryarios Před 26 dny

      @@SethiozProjectI used to have a bumper sticker that said "I don’t drive too fast, I fly too low!"

  • @danweyant4909
    @danweyant4909 Před 26 dny +14

    NOT an accident

  • @tonyrodriguez9027
    @tonyrodriguez9027 Před 27 dny +20

    He will never drive fast and furious again

  • @kharris0465
    @kharris0465 Před měsícem +73

    Raise your hand if you have been driving long enough to know the difference. 🤚🏽

    • @SethiozProject
      @SethiozProject Před 26 dny +2

      know the difference between what?

    • @conversechryslerqueen
      @conversechryslerqueen Před 26 dny

      I don't know how to drive which really sucks. No licence no nothing

    • @conversechryslerqueen
      @conversechryslerqueen Před 26 dny

      ​@@SethiozProjectprobably wreckless driving or accident. This was no accident though, it was wreckless

    • @LewdDewd-xw8gv
      @LewdDewd-xw8gv Před 25 dny +3

      I know the difference between a comment that makes sense and one that doesn't.

    • @bourbontrail565
      @bourbontrail565 Před 25 dny +1

      I can’t, I’m texting you while driving.

  • @flightsimguides
    @flightsimguides Před 26 dny +22

    dude must have been seriously out of control for his brake rotors to break in half and end up in another vehicle...

    • @FurryWrecker911
      @FurryWrecker911 Před 22 dny

      I appreciate your proper usage of brake vs break in this sentence. I'm so used to people getting the two backwards that I gave up hope of ever seeing anyone say it right.

    • @flightsimguides
      @flightsimguides Před 22 dny

      @@FurryWrecker911 yea, I double checked that one before submitting. I knew someone out there was just aching to correct me, lol…

    • @rickreese5794
      @rickreese5794 Před 21 dnem +2

      Wanna get hi ?🤷🏿‍♂️😩🙈

    • @Crazy-Clown-In-Town
      @Crazy-Clown-In-Town Před 14 dny +2

      I'm glad you typed “must have been” instead of “must of been” like some people.

  • @88997799
    @88997799 Před 26 dny +28

    How does nobody have footage of this? No street cameras, no security cameras on any buildings?

  • @cooperparts
    @cooperparts Před 29 dny +24

    The last thing that went thru his mind his ass

  • @gregorythomas4470
    @gregorythomas4470 Před 28 dny +21

    He read the words “Collision Center” on the building and completely misunderstood what they were advertising

  • @AwesomeAngryBiker
    @AwesomeAngryBiker Před 25 dny +9

    thankfully no one innocent was hurt, hope the grass etc makes a full recovery

  • @greggreg2263
    @greggreg2263 Před měsícem +57

    That car must’ve been flying to go that far once it crashed🤨

    • @garfieldsmith332
      @garfieldsmith332 Před měsícem +4

      Warp factor 5.

    • @larsonmarkov1699
      @larsonmarkov1699 Před 23 dny +1

      90 mph or more in this crash. Judging from the damage. Maybe 100.

    • @fredcsensits4476
      @fredcsensits4476 Před 23 dny +2

      150 was the official speed by the reconstruction team

    • @larsonmarkov1699
      @larsonmarkov1699 Před 23 dny +2

      @@fredcsensits4476 I wonder what his dead body looked like.

    • @henryhonda8408
      @henryhonda8408 Před 15 dny

      @@larsonmarkov1699 why do you need to see his dead body???

  • @jerseyjim9092
    @jerseyjim9092 Před 26 dny +6

    Wouldve never believed that a solid steel brake rotor could be snapped in half in a car accident.

    • @peterdarr383
      @peterdarr383 Před 26 dny +2

      Cast iron is "brittle" and it most likely shattered at the first curb along with the rim.

    • @larsonmarkov1699
      @larsonmarkov1699 Před 23 dny +1

      It's possible, but to do it, you have to be going over 100 mph

  • @Porsche996driver
    @Porsche996driver Před 25 dny +9

    Where’s the dealership security videos???!!!

    • @larsonmarkov1699
      @larsonmarkov1699 Před 23 dny

      They have the footage,, probably didn't release it because the drivers body was smashed and dismembered.

  • @jaitoonrasheed1722
    @jaitoonrasheed1722 Před měsícem +27

    Some drivers forget that older adults and new drivers are using the roads. I am so afraid driving to work in the morning. They come out from behind you and then squeeze in front of you. 😢

    • @lrich8181
      @lrich8181 Před měsícem +9

      The me first syndrome.

    • @edwardmmanns7454
      @edwardmmanns7454 Před měsícem +5

      older adults and new drivers... I doubt grandma is driving like that "going to work".

    • @jaitoonrasheed1722
      @jaitoonrasheed1722 Před měsícem

      @edwardmmanns7454 shame on you. I should sit at home and wait for government hand out.

    • @ivangranger8494
      @ivangranger8494 Před měsícem +2

      @@jaitoonrasheed1722It seems as if he misinterpreted your initial comment, as his does not make sense. Well stated, on your initial comment.

    • @edwardmmanns7454
      @edwardmmanns7454 Před 29 dny

      @@jaitoonrasheed1722 What are you talking about?

  • @allseeingotto2912
    @allseeingotto2912 Před 28 dny +8

    I thought it was a fish in the windscreen

  • @ericleshinskie7233
    @ericleshinskie7233 Před měsícem +15

    Worst driver ever!

  • @Serpico1152
    @Serpico1152 Před měsícem +8

    It's a real shame that respect, responsibility, and accountability isn't passed down anymore from one generation to the next like it was when I grew up in the 50's, 60's, and 70's, thanks to careless individuals & incidents like this either the driver's or the dealership's insurance will payout and everyone's premiums will probably be increased. 😮

    • @frankclements1431
      @frankclements1431 Před 27 dny +4

      it isn't passed down because it wasn't there to be passed down. The is a cultural factor in a partucular culture.

    • @SethiozProject
      @SethiozProject Před 26 dny +1

      speeding is nothing new. people have been driving reckless since cars were first made. i forgot in which state it was, but it was very long ago when cars were very rare, mostly it was horses and chariots. in one town there were only 2 cars total and they managed to crash into eachother on intersection ... now that takes some special talent.
      crashing a car into another car in a city full of cars .. thats' easy, but crashing a car into another car when there's only 2 cars total in the town/city .. that's another level of reckless and dumb.
      however i think people used to drive better back in the days when there was more freedom and higher speed limits, honestly i don't think number of accidents would increase if there were no speed limits at all. they might actually decrease, cuz people would feel more relaxed and wouldn't have to constantly look at their speed and look out for cameras or hidden cops.

    • @SusanKay-
      @SusanKay- Před 25 dny

      Get off my lawn.

  • @dr.emilschaffhausen4683
    @dr.emilschaffhausen4683 Před 25 dny +2

    It'd be nice to know what kind of car and how fast

  • @jonemnemonicjustjohnny7012

    This guy was driving so fast he separated his rotor from the axle and split it in half , probably 120-130 mph

  • @timdafler3223
    @timdafler3223 Před 26 dny +4

    You can make all kinds of recommendations , but people have free will to disobey everything

  • @justindawson5930
    @justindawson5930 Před 22 dny +1

    People probably wouldn’t buy a car that is governed at 70mph, but most seem to lose control and crash at higher speeds except for the few that are very skilled drivers

  • @NorthPHILLYRITE2LIFEBEATS
    @NorthPHILLYRITE2LIFEBEATS Před měsícem +19

    Them new cellphone vapes got people losing their minds 😮

  • @Foofrarf23
    @Foofrarf23 Před 26 dny +3

    He was late for his appointment at the collision center lol.

  • @jhonsiders6077
    @jhonsiders6077 Před měsícem +14

    Bet his insurance is no good ether had to be impaired some way or just being stupid!

    • @Ryarios
      @Ryarios Před 26 dny

      I seriously doubt his insurance will payout for his criminal act. They typically wont.

    • @calebhohneke8482
      @calebhohneke8482 Před 21 dnem +1

      These dealerships likely have business insurance, so the damage will probably get covered under that.
      I wouldn't be surprised if he was sober and was just driving stupid. I see people flying down roads all the time here in the twin cities and they probably fancy themselves good drivers because they can push the pedal to the floor.....And then realize they aren't as good as they thought once they lose traction. Anyone can drive fast, but not everyone knows how to truly be in control of their car while going fast.

  • @PaulTierney-nb3qe
    @PaulTierney-nb3qe Před měsícem +8

    When Carvana let’s you down

  • @randyscrafts8575
    @randyscrafts8575 Před měsícem +3

    He was huffing paint when he realised, he fuk'd up.

  • @hoonhwang4778
    @hoonhwang4778 Před 25 dny +1

    Dealership manager is smiling and I'm a bit scared. I'm staying away.😮

  • @joepeanut6827
    @joepeanut6827 Před 24 dny +2

    Operate your vehicle within the manufacturer's' limits. 1:24 Most vehicle's can do 100 MPH or more, He was well within the manufacturer's limet's. Good advice sir.

  • @nightdipper5178
    @nightdipper5178 Před 25 dny +1

    The last thing that went through his mind was likely the steering wheel.

  • @rickchapman9232
    @rickchapman9232 Před 27 dny +2

    Check the black box.

  • @Farcehole
    @Farcehole Před měsícem +14

    Are the light poles ok?! 😢

    • @coach2208
      @coach2208 Před měsícem +5

      Poor grass and curb.

    • @jasontodd8071
      @jasontodd8071 Před 26 dny +2

      Those lightpoles were brighter than that driver!!!

  • @papawoody9597
    @papawoody9597 Před 11 dny

    The sign says "Collision Center". He understood the assignment

  • @Michael-pp8lz
    @Michael-pp8lz Před 25 dny +2

    I want to see the security cam footage of this accident lol

  • @fezgon72
    @fezgon72 Před 24 dny +2

    Let me guess, a Charger or Challenger

  • @sbalak
    @sbalak Před 18 dny

    2 light poles mowed down; broken rotor found in the back of a car, 20 cars damaged. WTF????? How fast was he going? RIP.

  • @tonyfulford3175
    @tonyfulford3175 Před 26 dny +2

    Congratulations on winning today's Darwin Award. 20 cars...wow, just wow.

  • @rustysteed8414
    @rustysteed8414 Před 29 dny +3

    Pictures or it didn't happen!

  • @randyscrafts8575
    @randyscrafts8575 Před měsícem +5

    I'll bet it was that pesky angel dust.

  • @peabody.6405
    @peabody.6405 Před měsícem +4

    Sad story. Now ya know he was speeding and, lost control of his car . Come to New Jersey it’s truly like a race track . Peeps speed without a care , drive high and, careless driving .

    • @TheNoticer83
      @TheNoticer83 Před 27 dny +2

      Funny, I just read a report that claimed New Jersey is the safest state in the country. Of course I didn't believe it myself

    • @peabody.6405
      @peabody.6405 Před 26 dny +1

      @@TheNoticer83 yes that’s funny . Hmm very interesting . I heard that too , but unfortunately it’s very dangerous . I live in central New Jersey believe it is like a race track on the roads nowadays. Where I live it’s also getting built up like crazy, no room and, bumper to bumper traffic . Sad but true facts .

  • @josephmcclary9667
    @josephmcclary9667 Před 26 dny +2

    Actually….some public roads are racetracks. Cities will shut down streets for Formula 1 style races.

  • @462ANIMAL
    @462ANIMAL Před 20 dny

    He must have been travelling at 3x the speed limit.

  • @laurievincent1960
    @laurievincent1960 Před 18 dny

    Thank GOD he didn't hurt anybody else. He was speeding and acting careless. And it cost him his life😢. Speed gets you nowhere fast. I feel so bad for the car dealership. Please drive safe on the roads.

  • @PioneerInterlocking
    @PioneerInterlocking Před 27 dny +7

    People are unbelievably dumb.

  • @richardvalitalo3670
    @richardvalitalo3670 Před 21 dnem

    Never seen these kind of crashes 25 years ago, people have changed.

  • @InvictusMedia
    @InvictusMedia Před 22 dny +1

    Scary how a metal brake rotor can split in half like that.

    • @bobbylee2853
      @bobbylee2853 Před 20 dny +1

      Chinese part.

    • @InvictusMedia
      @InvictusMedia Před 20 dny

      @@bobbylee2853 Yep, metal should not split in 2 like a cracker!

  • @robertking3090
    @robertking3090 Před 25 dny

    to break a brake rotor like that he must have been frekin flying fast

  • @Sasquads
    @Sasquads Před 21 dnem

    Ruling it and accident?! More like suicide.

  • @carlosenriquez2092
    @carlosenriquez2092 Před 23 dny

    Oh my goodness this is horrible that poor man could have been paralyzed from the accident.

  • @unclefester4822
    @unclefester4822 Před měsícem +6

    WoW!

  • @JeffreyWallk
    @JeffreyWallk Před 25 dny

    Agreed with prior comments: This is NO Accident
    Anyone driving over 20mph on roads or over 30mph on expressways should be arrested for reckless endangerment.

  • @sixpoint3
    @sixpoint3 Před 18 dny

    Suicide by ignorance.
    My big question is:
    How did he live to be 27 ?

  • @jlrguy2702
    @jlrguy2702 Před 16 dny

    What car was he driving? Did I miss it being mentioned?

  • @richardjohnson2965
    @richardjohnson2965 Před 24 dny

    People driving stupidly kept me in a paycheck for 20 yrs……I was a state trooper in a northern state….and many drivers never seemed to get any smarter.

  • @mikep2390
    @mikep2390 Před 29 dny +1

    Ironic that this took place literally right across the street from the beginning of LVI Airport's Runway 25...maybe Abiel thought his car could actually fly like the jets next door.

    • @reubensandwich9249
      @reubensandwich9249 Před 28 dny

      My theory is he simply forgot to refuel the flux capacitor and didn't realize it until he was past 100

  • @Brianscoronet
    @Brianscoronet Před 20 dny

    I wanna know what car he was driving, it could have been a medical emergency.

  • @dessmith7658
    @dessmith7658 Před 26 dny

    That Laurel and Hardy skit at the end

  • @wm0104
    @wm0104 Před 24 dny +1

    I wonder if it was a “teen” 🤔

  • @jaynjuguna
    @jaynjuguna Před 18 dny

    That Red Hellcat at the beginning!!

  • @elevenAD
    @elevenAD Před 24 dny +1

    glad this did not happen during peak hours, could have been so much worse.

    • @user-xw6vk7pg9l
      @user-xw6vk7pg9l Před 23 dny +1

      Like the way you think 100% agreed with you @elevenAD

  • @my2cents320
    @my2cents320 Před 18 dny

    This is the “find out” part.

  • @mvanalst2003
    @mvanalst2003 Před 21 dnem

    Best publicity Infiniti has received in decades.

  • @jamesdamron2065
    @jamesdamron2065 Před 20 dny

    The news lady said he had blue eyes! 1 blew over here & 1 blew over there!!!😂😂

  • @K-Effect
    @K-Effect Před 23 dny

    Thanks for the advice dealership sales boy

  • @rickreese5794
    @rickreese5794 Před 21 dnem +1

    Was he an illegal ?🤷🏿‍♂️🤔

  • @joewoodchuck3824
    @joewoodchuck3824 Před 20 dny

    More like operate within the driver's limits of controlling the vehicle.

  • @MySteamChannel
    @MySteamChannel Před 17 dny

    Allentown express, departing from Kensington Ave.

  • @prenticehammond2003
    @prenticehammond2003 Před 24 dny

    1:25 "I would encourage everyone to operate their vehicle within the limits the manufacturer sets for it." What??? How about just obeying traffic laws.

  • @LouieArmstrong1244
    @LouieArmstrong1244 Před 19 dny

    What's the hurry?

  • @user-PeteBronxUSA
    @user-PeteBronxUSA Před 26 dny

    $1 million????? Really????

  • @hotttt28
    @hotttt28 Před 20 dny

    No seatbelt ?

  • @ronp-eb9bh
    @ronp-eb9bh Před 26 dny

    He was just trying to get his 🚗 up to 88 mph to go back in time to knock out Biff. 😅

  • @jamesdamron2065
    @jamesdamron2065 Před 20 dny

    Damn. You break a disc break rotor ,,,you definitely hit something

  • @bumbarossdundahae6312
    @bumbarossdundahae6312 Před 25 dny

    Stupid tax always gets ya

  • @TheFrogfeeder
    @TheFrogfeeder Před měsícem

    Those dealerships look pretty empty…

  • @johnv9854
    @johnv9854 Před 24 dny

    drive within the limits of the limits the manufacturer sets for it? Umm, its called the SPEED LIMIT... the manufacturer doesn't have anything to do with it..

  • @lorenzojennings3431
    @lorenzojennings3431 Před 29 dny

    Well I guess he will not try that anymore

  • @greghanson5696
    @greghanson5696 Před 25 dny

    "It was exploding along the way"

  • @connor_flanigan
    @connor_flanigan Před měsícem +3

    he was protesting high car prices

  • @foreverendeavors6210
    @foreverendeavors6210 Před 24 dny

    That brake rotor was ground flat

    • @grayman7914
      @grayman7914 Před 20 dny

      No, it was the inside of the brake rotor, it was broken.

  • @loligagger85
    @loligagger85 Před 25 dny

    an accident, LOL NO. family should be sued for millions for the damages

  • @sgtbuttersworth
    @sgtbuttersworth Před 20 dny

    So are those damages going to be brought up at the point of sale, probably not

  • @rogerwilco2
    @rogerwilco2 Před 19 dny

    So many poorly designed roads in the USA.
    And they keep blaming the individual instead of improving the system.
    So things keep happening again and again and again and again and again.

  • @theDane70
    @theDane70 Před 18 dny

    Calling it an accident is ridiculous, people that drive that fast have a death wish!!!

  • @JMD535
    @JMD535 Před 12 dny

    Car type?

  • @kskeel1124
    @kskeel1124 Před 27 dny

    Who has to pay for the damages???

  • @UncleSarkis
    @UncleSarkis Před 19 dny

    "accident" is not correct.

  • @bourbontrail565
    @bourbontrail565 Před 25 dny

    Insurance companies won’t pay the public price for the cars at the dealership. To Dand Expensive.

  • @GodIsReal777
    @GodIsReal777 Před měsícem +7

    Another Hellcat or Another DodgeCharger?

    • @coach2208
      @coach2208 Před měsícem +4

      Tesla, maybe

    • @YernBelfus400
      @YernBelfus400 Před 29 dny

      Or a Nissan Altima... 😂

    • @reubensandwich9249
      @reubensandwich9249 Před 28 dny +1

      Couldn't tell because the car looked like a crushed soda can. My guess is it was a Challenger because it looked like 2 door and the huge air intake and supercharger housing.

    • @thewiseguy3529
      @thewiseguy3529 Před 28 dny +1

      Dodge Demon

    • @josephmcclary9667
      @josephmcclary9667 Před 26 dny +1

      Doge? Like the coin?

  • @FurryWrecker911
    @FurryWrecker911 Před 22 dny

    1:22 Holy smokes, how fast do you need to be going that you splinter off a chunk of your brake rotor?? Those suckers are tough.

  • @SCVM__
    @SCVM__ Před 23 dny

    "accident" .... in a Stolen Car

  • @PaulRubino
    @PaulRubino Před 18 dny

    Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Another Darwin Award winner.

  • @user-by4jo7ot7k
    @user-by4jo7ot7k Před měsícem

    How come when we read it, it says dies? But when people say it they say died? How come on video or TV they don't SAY dies?

  • @Finnador
    @Finnador Před 26 dny

    If he was 7 and someone "double-dog dared" him; I could see some possible logic behind this guy's bad decision.

    • @peterdarr383
      @peterdarr383 Před 26 dny +1

      The salesman said the car would do 180, and there you go !

  • @jackmatthews312
    @jackmatthews312 Před 19 dny

    The fairy sounded concerned.. he's never seen that before.